EPTIt really isn't. Feel free to prove that everyone ever accused of hacking actually were/is hacking, then we can discuss this matter. I can ensure you, there's A LOT more people accused of hacking than there are actual hackers, that says more about us as a community than the hackers.
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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody. Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence. | ||
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Tom Cruise
Denmark482 Posts
It really isn't. Feel free to prove that everyone ever accused of hacking actually were/is hacking, then we can discuss this matter. I can ensure you, there's A LOT more people accused of hacking than there are actual hackers, that says more about us as a community than the hackers. | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
On July 12 2012 02:32 Tom Cruise wrote: It really isn't. Feel free to prove that everyone ever accused of hacking actually were/is hacking, then we can discuss this matter. I can ensure you, there's A LOT more people accused of hacking than there are actual hackers, that says more about us as a community than the hackers. You feel free to prove to us that most of the people accused of hacking actually aren't. I promise there are a ton that do. It's inevitable when Blizzard stops dropping huge ban waves on hackers in their games that they will start to build up. | ||
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dangthatsright
1158 Posts
This one isn't very convincing at all, imo. The only thing I found a bit weird was that there were a few rather short times when his (actual) APM registered 0 and the camera was just fixed on one area with nothing being done. Perhaps this implies a hack of some sort, but we need quite a few more replays to be certain. As for the "blind" 5 spines, his overlord flew in and saw no expo, so whether that was a fake to hide any maphack or not, the information is there to know that spines would be a good idea. In addition to the comment "lol you do the same thing still" after poking up the ramp which kinda invalidates claims of maphack, at least within the context of this replay alone. | ||
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gods_basement
United States305 Posts
On July 12 2012 02:32 Tom Cruise wrote: It really isn't. Feel free to prove that everyone ever accused of hacking actually were/is hacking, then we can discuss this matter. I can ensure you, there's A LOT more people accused of hacking than there are actual hackers, that says more about us as a community than the hackers. you're asking the wrong question. The replays show players who are CLEARLY HACKING (blink hack has no legitimate explanation). There exists players who have been proven, and Battlenet's anti-hack program is not catching them. This has nothing to do with blind accusations; this is a design or structural flaw in Battlenet's anti-hack system. Please do not muddle up the thread with arguments regarding "false accusations," because, as made clear by the OP, there are several people caught who are of extremely high ladder rank. | ||
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Tom Cruise
Denmark482 Posts
On July 12 2012 02:53 gods_basement wrote: you're asking the wrong question. The replays show players who are CLEARLY HACKING (blink hack has no legitimate explanation). There exists players who have been proven, and Battlenet's anti-hack program is not catching them. This has nothing to do with blind accusations; this is a design or structural flaw in Battlenet's anti-hack system. Please do not muddle up the thread with arguments regarding "false accusations," because, as made clear by the OP, there are several people caught who are of extremely high ladder rank. That does not make my statement any less correct. User was banned for | ||
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mcleod
Canada350 Posts
On July 12 2012 02:46 dangthatsright wrote: This one isn't very convincing at all, imo. The only thing I found a bit weird was that there were a few rather short times when his (actual) APM registered 0 and the camera was just fixed on one area with nothing being done. Perhaps this implies a hack of some sort, but we need quite a few more replays to be certain. As for the "blind" 5 spines, his overlord flew in and saw no expo, so whether that was a fake to hide any maphack or not, the information is there to know that spines would be a good idea. In addition to the comment "lol you do the same thing still" after poking up the ramp which kinda invalidates claims of maphack, at least within the context of this replay alone. u are right, this is the least obvious of the four but its funny at the timing he puts down his spines, he doesnt scout no expo and then instant do it he waits until scvs are pulled and then realizes he needs the spines to hold | ||
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
On July 12 2012 02:32 Tom Cruise wrote: It really isn't. Feel free to prove that everyone ever accused of hacking actually were/is hacking, then we can discuss this matter. I can ensure you, there's A LOT more people accused of hacking than there are actual hackers, that says more about us as a community than the hackers. Someone posted a while ago that the actual program had somewhere over 20k downloads... I believe that's a lot. Though I agree with you, everyone accused of hacking is not necesarly a hacker, which is why I don't all of them without sufficient proofs. On July 12 2012 02:46 dangthatsright wrote: This one isn't very convincing at all, imo. The only thing I found a bit weird was that there were a few rather short times when his (actual) APM registered 0 and the camera was just fixed on one area with nothing being done. Perhaps this implies a hack of some sort, but we need quite a few more replays to be certain. As for the "blind" 5 spines, his overlord flew in and saw no expo, so whether that was a fake to hide any maphack or not, the information is there to know that spines would be a good idea. In addition to the comment "lol you do the same thing still" after poking up the ramp which kinda invalidates claims of maphack, at least within the context of this replay alone. I wouldn't base my analysis on the "0 apm" and possible camera locks just because it is normal to tab out, check what someone wrote on fb/ change your song. After all, it's ladder games, not a tournament. | ||
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gods_basement
United States305 Posts
On July 12 2012 03:07 Tom Cruise wrote: That does not make my statement any less correct. ?????? are you serious? We're having a discussion about how disappointing the state of sc2 hacking is, and you counter with "not everyone is a hacker," and when we say, "thats not what we're talking about," you think that (quoted) is an appropriate response? so conversations require only factuality, but not relevance? Do you know what I say to people like you? I say that gout is a medical condition with symptoms of acute inflammatory arthritis, caused by heightened urea in the bloodstream, which crystallizes painfully in joints. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Coolness53
United States668 Posts
 .http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6036617282#1 We recently issued a new round of account suspensions and bans to StarCraft II players who were in violation of the Battle.net Terms of Use for cheating and/or using hack programs while playing. In addition to undermining the spirit of fair competition that’s essential to play on Battle.net, cheating and hacking can lead to stability and performance issues with the service. As always, maintaining a stable, safe, and secure online-gaming experience for legitimate players is a top priority for us, and we'll be continuing to keep watch on Battle.net and take action as needed. | ||
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SilSol
Sweden2744 Posts
On July 12 2012 09:22 Coolness53 wrote: Blizzard recent ban on map hackers and the blink hack .http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6036617282#1 Ok that's good! thank god. Hope i won't face any new hacks out there | ||
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redruMBunny
74 Posts
On July 12 2012 05:12 Doodsmack wrote: Tom Cruise are you claiming that zoohairz is being falsely accused/there is insufficient evidence? That account has apparently been banned. (see previous posts). | ||
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Coolness53
United States668 Posts
On July 12 2012 09:26 SilSol wrote: Ok that's good! thank god. Hope i won't face any new hacks out there Agreed . | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On July 12 2012 09:27 redruMBunny wrote: That account has apparently been banned. (see previous posts). No he has games played today. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
He means the teamliquid account. | ||
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redruMBunny
74 Posts
Clarification: banned from TeamLiquid forum. | ||
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RemarK
United States452 Posts
I've played ZoohairZ a few times, he does do a lot of well-placed nydus all-ins in PvZ but never anything that seemed overtly hacky. The games I played he did nothing too suspicious, he is very good at placing Nydus worms for all-ins in ZvP but that seems more like him being comfortable with the build because he does it almost every game.. People take stupid risks all the time on ladder, doesn't make them a maphacker; I've been in-base proxy gated by people on 4-player maps who I know don't hack, every now and then people just feel like doing something idiotic for a potential free win or because they don't care. It seems like there is mass hysteria about maphackers, especially at the top masters / GM amateur level on NA : / I get accused of maphacking on a daily basis on the ladder nowadays - everytime I scout a proxy pylon, hold off an all-in, etc. It's very disheartening to have threads like this that feed this hysteria and seriously consider claims based on circumstantial evidence. Although that said, it really is Blizzard's fault for being so unbelievably incompetent at detecting and dealing with hackers that the burden of fighting maphackers has fallen to the community Also, there were many posts earlier about Intel - based on my own experience, he may or may not hack himself but he seems to be an EXTREMELY suspect individual; at best, he is a massive prick, at worst, a maphacker. He frequently harasses my team's chat channel (spams insults, messes with our team speak server, etc), has a plethora of accounts (how convenient, to be able to deny that he was playing on any specific account at any given time), and lets known maphackers like Google (aka fake oGsMC) ladder on his accounts. He's covered his tracks well if he does hack and has deniability to spare, but as Catz said, just about every account he is associated with is incredibly suspicious.. | ||
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redruMBunny
74 Posts
On July 12 2012 12:45 RemarK wrote: This thread has overstepped it's boundaries imo.... it seems like it's devolving into petty accusations and bickering based on what is frequently circumstantial evidence. (snip) It seems like there is mass hysteria about maphackers, especially at the top masters / GM amateur level on NA : / I get accused of maphacking on a daily basis on the ladder nowadays(snip). Any thread devoted to hack reports was always going to devolve without constant mod policing. Doesn't mean a thread for hack reports was a bad idea. On NA, accusing someone else of maphacking is just how you say "hi". | ||
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dangthatsright
1158 Posts
On July 12 2012 03:33 ZweiGaming wrote: I wouldn't base my analysis on the "0 apm" and possible camera locks just because it is normal to tab out, check what someone wrote on fb/ change your song. After all, it's ladder games, not a tournament. Okay, yeah so that means there's even less going for this particular hack claim | ||
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
On July 12 2012 12:45 RemarK wrote: This thread has overstepped it's boundaries imo.... it seems like it's devolving into petty accusations and bickering based on what is frequently circumstantial evidence. I've played ZoohairZ a few times, he does do a lot of well-placed nydus all-ins in PvZ but never anything that seemed overtly hacky. The games I played he did nothing too suspicious, he is very good at placing Nydus worms for all-ins in ZvP but that seems more like him being comfortable with the build because he does it almost every game.. People take stupid risks all the time on ladder, doesn't make them a maphacker; I've been in-base proxy gated by people on 4-player maps who I know don't hack, every now and then people just feel like doing something idiotic for a potential free win or because they don't care. It seems like there is mass hysteria about maphackers, especially at the top masters / GM amateur level on NA : / I get accused of maphacking on a daily basis on the ladder nowadays - everytime I scout a proxy pylon, hold off an all-in, etc. It's very disheartening to have threads like this that feed this hysteria and seriously consider claims based on circumstantial evidence. Although that said, it really is Blizzard's fault for being so unbelievably incompetent at detecting and dealing with hackers that the burden of fighting maphackers has fallen to the community Also, there were many posts earlier about Intel - based on my own experience, he may or may not hack himself but he seems to be an EXTREMELY suspect individual; at best, he is a massive prick, at worst, a maphacker. He frequently harasses my team's chat channel (spams insults, messes with our team speak server, etc), has a plethora of accounts (how convenient, to be able to deny that he was playing on any specific account at any given time), and lets known maphackers like Google (aka fake oGsMC) ladder on his accounts. He's covered his tracks well if he does hack and has deniability to spare, but as Catz said, just about every account he is associated with is incredibly suspicious.. I believe you didn't take time to watch a single replay posted, or actually a few since we can't base anything off a single one. What has been shown is more than circumstancial evidences, some of the moves appear to be unexplainable. Yet, I haven't added zoohair to the main post as I would like some more replays of him during the timeframe 2days-2 months ago. This is the timeframe where he stopped streaming, and started playing fishy from the replays i've seen. On July 12 2012 13:00 dangthatsright wrote: Okay, yeah so that means there's even less going for this particular hack claim I still haven't added him on the page with other confirmed hackers, though it was enough to flag as really fishy, I can you can agree on that. | ||
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