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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.
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On July 11 2012 10:22 Soloturtle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 10:08 IOvEggY wrote:
Anyone can show up for LANs
and not do well
LAN results> saying someone goes to LANs
Nothing against zoohair but just a food for thought Yes I agree. I don't have the results on me and can't find them anywhere, I think sc2north still do paper and pencil bracket but I think most of the times he gets top 4-8? I don't think that's not too shabby. Knowing you're from Toronto, you should know players that compete in these lans. To name a few; dde, ryze, ostojiy, ddoro, hendralisk, masa, many other top masters
The replay evidence has been put forward, LAN results are irrelevant. Replays are the only form of hard evidence available so they either stand on their own or they don't.
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why is everyone posting without having watched the replays? why do people speculate on the possibility that the blinks are legitimate when they could just watch and see immediately that they are not?
additionally, very good and very prominent and (somewhat) charistmatic players have been caught cheating dozens of times. one example that comes to mind is TT1, who, besides getting caught, was an upstanding player
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Two things of note
1) Sounds like from what he is saying he has seen you do this before? So that could be a factor in his play, although..
2) He had no scouting info. In fact, later on around 8 minutes his overlord did turn to check for your expand, but - and I find this interesting, he started all those spines (also go bane tech, make lots of lings, etc etc basically go for 2 base defensive play - no chance of being successfully offensive with these timings) before telling the overlord to go scout, and it was actually quite a bit out of position, so it didn't scout the nat for a while, until it would have been too late to start preparing. Also, he made no attempt at having a ling or anything else hidden around the map to sneak in any scouting.
In summary, it appears to me that there is a strong 2 base defensive orientation to this game pre-empting any scouting information. Although, as I said before, chat in this game seems to suggest that Zoohairz has faced this from Specialist before. Still, it's interesting that he committed to two base defensive before commanding the overlord to check for the nat, as the all in moved out. On the other hand, if I were playing that game with a maphack, it'd not be the timings I'd do to defend - but perhaps that would be too obvious?
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On July 11 2012 10:42 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 10:22 Soloturtle wrote:On July 11 2012 10:08 IOvEggY wrote:
Anyone can show up for LANs
and not do well
LAN results> saying someone goes to LANs
Nothing against zoohair but just a food for thought Yes I agree. I don't have the results on me and can't find them anywhere, I think sc2north still do paper and pencil bracket but I think most of the times he gets top 4-8? I don't think that's not too shabby. Knowing you're from Toronto, you should know players that compete in these lans. To name a few; dde, ryze, ostojiy, ddoro, hendralisk, masa, many other top masters The replay evidence has been put forward, LAN results are irrelevant. Replays are the only form of hard evidence available so they either stand on their own or they don't.
Well thats not really true.
I mean if you were to look at Stephano if he was a nobody
you might think he would be hacking.
But LAN results obviously show that Stephano is a great player.
food for thought.
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On July 11 2012 11:10 IOvEggY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 10:42 Doodsmack wrote:On July 11 2012 10:22 Soloturtle wrote:On July 11 2012 10:08 IOvEggY wrote:
Anyone can show up for LANs
and not do well
LAN results> saying someone goes to LANs
Nothing against zoohair but just a food for thought Yes I agree. I don't have the results on me and can't find them anywhere, I think sc2north still do paper and pencil bracket but I think most of the times he gets top 4-8? I don't think that's not too shabby. Knowing you're from Toronto, you should know players that compete in these lans. To name a few; dde, ryze, ostojiy, ddoro, hendralisk, masa, many other top masters The replay evidence has been put forward, LAN results are irrelevant. Replays are the only form of hard evidence available so they either stand on their own or they don't. Well thats not really true. I mean if you were to look at Stephano if he was a nobody you might think he would be hacking. But LAN results obviously show that Stephano is a great player. food for thought.
Why would we think he is hacking? And Stephano is an extreme example even if your assumption is true.
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Has anyone heard of a maphack that erases the replay so that you can not see them looking around and what have you? ive played 2 ppl that are very suspect, but unable to confirm bc the replay just doesnt show up. :/
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On July 11 2012 11:34 LDub wrote:
Has anyone heard of a maphack that erases the replay so that you can not see them looking around and what have you? ive played 2 ppl that are very suspect, but unable to confirm bc the replay just doesnt show up. :/
Drop hack, which was used in like season 1 or 2 by a few people, would sometimes cause the loss of replays. Thats the only case I can think of it happening.
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On July 10 2012 15:19 Polar_Nada wrote:
wow this is something different. this entire page is full of super high masters/gm players battling it out on forums XD
You should have been here during the WDT scandal. Or well the TL demographics at the time were the equivalent of masters and up I guess so every other thread would be like that. They also included atleast one post from FrozenArbiter.
Sorry for going off topic with irrelevant nostalgia.
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Welp.. Seems like enough prove to flag zoohairz zwei
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Seems like TL has learned nothing. "Odd play" is not proof, people can play the game they want. I've seen arguments against certain players that are absolutely stupid, it's like the IQ level is dropping post by post. There're enough desperate attempts to conclude someone of hacking in this thread, that it makes me wonder, could people just be hating each other a lot?
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On July 11 2012 11:54 ZweiGaming wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 11:34 LDub wrote:
Has anyone heard of a maphack that erases the replay so that you can not see them looking around and what have you? ive played 2 ppl that are very suspect, but unable to confirm bc the replay just doesnt show up. :/ Drop hack, which was used in like season 1 or 2 by a few people, would sometimes cause the loss of replays. Thats the only case I can think of it happening.
If the game client crashes the replay is still saved. On windows crash replays are stored in folders under:
C:\Users\[username]\Documents\StarCraft II\GameLogs
The crash folders are named in following manner: 'date time compName SC2build# Crash'. For example '2012-02-17 15.39.56 XXX B20141 Crash'
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If not hopefully the hacks won't work on the new patch and we can get a few days without them
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On July 11 2012 18:00 Paradise` wrote:
Welp.. Seems like enough prove to flag zoohairz zwei
I would still like 1-2 more replays to confirm, but I do think he hacked in that period of time.
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Do we have any sort of verification that the most known maphackers have actually had their account banned?
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If they're banned it's only because they were mass reported.
You don't actually think Blizzard is capable of detecting a hack that's been around for months without a single ban from detection do you? My money is on bans from reports.
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They have not banned people through warden detection, only mass report. When the hack got linked here or on reddit (can't remember wish) I tried it out on my secondary account (against AI tho) and nothing have happened with that account. So unless there is no "warden" for custom games, all the regular hackers that are sneaky about it will still be fine.
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Why don't they do something about all these cheaters man there are a LOT. I hate how they quit monitoring hackers a year or so after their new game comes out. All their past games are hack fests and now sc2 is.
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On July 12 2012 02:26 Neurosis wrote:
Why don't they do something about all these cheaters man there are a LOT. I hate how they quit monitoring hackers a year or so after their new game comes out. All their past games are hack fests and now sc2 is.
The issue is not as bad as you think.
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On July 12 2012 02:28 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 02:26 Neurosis wrote:
Why don't they do something about all these cheaters man there are a LOT. I hate how they quit monitoring hackers a year or so after their new game comes out. All their past games are hack fests and now sc2 is. The issue is not as bad as you think.
Yes it is. Just add more fuel to the fire, when was the last time they announced a ban wave? They used to do it on a regular basis and now that they haven't been there are scum cheaters everywhere.
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