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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.

Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.
mcleod
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada350 Posts
July 10 2012 18:50 GMT
#1801
On July 11 2012 02:28 TOdesKaMpF wrote:
I cant believe TL is letting this thread stay open..

So if someone finds a replay of me, moving a probe out of the way of a marine/zergling and then dropping a proxy pylong will i too be condemned as a hacker?

You guys are beyond immature, and this is flat out ridiculous. Personal quandaries aside, you have one fucking replay. You have no proof, your dislike for ZoohairZ has turned barely anything into a witchhunt and it sickens me that this is all based off something that could possibly of been a complete fluke/accident.

In the thousands of games you, him, or I have played, do you not think something like this is bound to happen?

Innocent until proven guilty in my mind, have some respect for your fellow player.

/E -- And to Shinya's credibility I have heard him accuse about 10 people now with little to no proof of hacking, because he loses against them. People like LgNKane, and even other good players. Flat out sad.

it is pretty depressing to see people grab their pitchforks over one replay.. so willing to basically exile someone from the community, so beyond depressing. It won't be all fun in games, when you're wrongfully in the cross hairs. Keep that in mind. @ everyone acting like a jackass here.

we are actually up 2 replays
and zoohairs saying he was eating? idk what thats even about, but then admitting he wasnt
then claiming he streams, but hasnt streamed since december?
oh right, he streamed last night, right after this all came up
hes in the clear!
-Cyrus-
Profile Joined June 2011
United States318 Posts
July 10 2012 19:10 GMT
#1802
On July 11 2012 02:28 TOdesKaMpF wrote:
I cant believe TL is letting this thread stay open..

So if someone finds a replay of me, moving a probe out of the way of a marine/zergling and then dropping a proxy pylong will i too be condemned as a hacker?

You guys are beyond immature, and this is flat out ridiculous. Personal quandaries aside, you have one fucking replay. You have no proof, your dislike for ZoohairZ has turned barely anything into a witchhunt and it sickens me that this is all based off something that could possibly of been a complete fluke/accident.

In the thousands of games you, him, or I have played, do you not think something like this is bound to happen?

Innocent until proven guilty in my mind, have some respect for your fellow player.

/E -- And to Shinya's credibility I have heard him accuse about 10 people now with little to no proof of hacking, because he loses against them. People like LgNKane, and even other good players. Flat out sad.

it is pretty depressing to see people grab their pitchforks over one replay.. so willing to basically exile someone from the community, so beyond depressing. It won't be all fun in games, when you're wrongfully in the cross hairs. Keep that in mind. @ everyone acting like a jackass here.


You are the one being ridiculous. Hackers have no fucking place in this community and deserve to be shunned and exiled from the community permanently. I suggest you watch those replays, because anyone with a brain can easily see that he is blatantly hacking, objecting to that fact either means you are blind or just really dumb.
raser
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway301 Posts
July 10 2012 19:25 GMT
#1803
On July 11 2012 04:10 -Cyrus- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 02:28 TOdesKaMpF wrote:
I cant believe TL is letting this thread stay open..

So if someone finds a replay of me, moving a probe out of the way of a marine/zergling and then dropping a proxy pylong will i too be condemned as a hacker?

You guys are beyond immature, and this is flat out ridiculous. Personal quandaries aside, you have one fucking replay. You have no proof, your dislike for ZoohairZ has turned barely anything into a witchhunt and it sickens me that this is all based off something that could possibly of been a complete fluke/accident.

In the thousands of games you, him, or I have played, do you not think something like this is bound to happen?

Innocent until proven guilty in my mind, have some respect for your fellow player.

/E -- And to Shinya's credibility I have heard him accuse about 10 people now with little to no proof of hacking, because he loses against them. People like LgNKane, and even other good players. Flat out sad.

it is pretty depressing to see people grab their pitchforks over one replay.. so willing to basically exile someone from the community, so beyond depressing. It won't be all fun in games, when you're wrongfully in the cross hairs. Keep that in mind. @ everyone acting like a jackass here.


You are the one being ridiculous. Hackers have no fucking place in this community and deserve to be shunned and exiled from the community permanently. I suggest you watch those replays, because anyone with a brain can easily see that he is blatantly hacking, objecting to that fact either means you are blind or just really dumb.


Do you think most hackers really cares about the "community"? there will allways be people trying to cheat, its sad but that is how it is.. what is mvp doing while you have this witch hunt?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 10 2012 19:39 GMT
#1804
Funny how the hackers who have reached a high ladder level actually do care about their reputation lol. Otherwise people like zoohairz wouldn't defend themselves in this thread. He probably is a no-name low or mid master who thought he could hack undetected.

Really have to wonder why someone would feel the need to bolster their online reputation through cheating. Must not feel very wanted in real life lol.
ZweiGaming
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada348 Posts
July 10 2012 20:33 GMT
#1805
On July 10 2012 17:26 shinyA wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/s2shinya/b/324345396

I decided to stream showing 100% proof zoohairz hacking ~

sorry it sounds bad..xsplit shit audio T_T


Could I have the full replay of this one please?
zoohairZ
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada254 Posts
July 10 2012 20:37 GMT
#1806
I dont care too much about my reputation, which is why I'm going to stop looking at this thread and this will be my last post here. Like I said you can flag my name, I don't care. Go put it up on hacker list, i dont care. Im going to keep playing and streaming most of my games from now on to prove myself. I haven't streamed in a long time because my computer would constantly overheat when I stream for a few hours, so I need to get a new fan or something. I still don't have a new fan but so far it seems to be holding up okay, so I will continue streaming ladder etcetc. byeeeeee
ZweiGaming
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada348 Posts
July 10 2012 22:46 GMT
#1807
Here's what I found in the few replays of Zoohair that i've watched.
First replay is the one against MYiMcleod
http://drop.sc/217871

The 2 lings scout at the beginning was a weird move but anyway.
9:57: moves back the lings to his main, after clicking the natural of his opponent without knowing yet that units are close to his base
9:58: moves his queen from his main to his natural to defend against the threat that he has not yet seen (I think you guys might have missed this one which makes it even more suspect)
11:45: Lings attack the natural just as the army leaves. Could be luck but the timing is perfect.
11:55: Queen goes from his main to his natural once again to defend the next threat that he has not seen once again
17:02: Clicks foward to the banshee in the fog just as they are about to pop up and fungles them with his infestors.

Second replay which has not been analysed yet by other people:
Vs City
http://drop.sc/218319

5:48: It's a normal timing for a ling scout around 3rd base to see if there's a probe/pylon around. Though, the way he does it is very unusual. First of all, people normally queue up attack-move behind minerals and then to the next to the base down the map. The way he does it: he always keep his vision on his lings, clicks in front of the 3rd expo mineral patch, then clicks back a bit to the left (why never queuing behind?), well from the full view, the probe was starting to run out and the click a little up to the left made a difference in cutting off the probe. Found this way of scouting a little suspicious
10:40: Wants to do a ling hit and run one the 3rd base once again, but instead of clicking where the third is he clicks close to the ramp. Units happened to be clumped up just on the right of that spot, which made him get a surround on those. It seems to me like the surround was planified before getting vision of the units. Slow down to see the clicking through fog (exactly where he wants to send the lings). It is not as unusual as some other of his moves, but in addition to everything else it's suspect.
15:25 to 15:30: Slow down the speed of the replay - He clicks towards his opponent army in the fog (which he cannot take with only few lings) then decide not to go, sits a little in place and then starts back to run down. The place he clicks just happen to cut off 6-8 stalkers that were reinforcement to the main army of the protoss which is now away from the action.
15:21: In all this action, he keeps macroing really fast in his base going from a base to another, and then make an overseer and place it somewhere at his natural (right on an observer). I had to watch the replay about 4-5 times to even notice the observer at the speed things were going and while he was attacking.
16:32: Lings unburrow and start running down though, suddenly stop and run back up (as the toss army was moving towards them). Waits a bit for the toss army to be away and then counterattacks the 3rd again.
21:48 This one is the most suspect move of the game. Dt's morphing and going to the base at the bottom of the map. Zoohair suddenly takes lings and infestors from his army, sends them to that expo and rally his spawning units there as well. He didn't have vision of anything coming, nor knew his opponent had a DT shrine.



This replay:
http://www.twitch.tv/s2shinya/b/324345396

I didn't see the full replay yet, but the player in question will send me it. It is a pretty damning move considering the two other replays. Also, I'd like to note that i've watched several replays from zoohair dating 2+ months old that are on drop.sc and that I couldn't find any evidence in those. If anyone has more recent replays, I'd like to have a look at them.
sWs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States409 Posts
July 10 2012 22:46 GMT
#1808
On July 11 2012 05:37 zoohairZ wrote:
I dont care too much about my reputation, which is why I'm going to stop looking at this thread and this will be my last post here. Like I said you can flag my name, I don't care. Go put it up on hacker list, i dont care. Im going to keep playing and streaming most of my games from now on to prove myself. I haven't streamed in a long time because my computer would constantly overheat when I stream for a few hours, so I need to get a new fan or something. I still don't have a new fan but so far it seems to be holding up okay, so I will continue streaming ladder etcetc. byeeeeee


It's really regrettable that this is what it has to come too. People love holding a pitchfork, but oh well i suppose there's nothing we can do about it. Hopefully with the frequency of your streaming improving, people will let this retarded accusation die down.

and for the record, i'm not close personal friends with zoohairZ, i've just met him on ladder a few times and he seems like a friendly guy.

Also, I'd gladly defend anyone who's getting accused of something as monumental as this when they literally have no concrete proof. Two replays, that's all you have. That's not enough.

I will also not be returning to this silly silly thread.

bye all -glhf
@swsc2
ZweiGaming
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada348 Posts
July 10 2012 22:52 GMT
#1809
On July 11 2012 07:46 TOdesKaMpF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 05:37 zoohairZ wrote:
I dont care too much about my reputation, which is why I'm going to stop looking at this thread and this will be my last post here. Like I said you can flag my name, I don't care. Go put it up on hacker list, i dont care. Im going to keep playing and streaming most of my games from now on to prove myself. I haven't streamed in a long time because my computer would constantly overheat when I stream for a few hours, so I need to get a new fan or something. I still don't have a new fan but so far it seems to be holding up okay, so I will continue streaming ladder etcetc. byeeeeee


It's really regrettable that this is what it has to come too. People love holding a pitchfork, but oh well i suppose there's nothing we can do about it. Hopefully with the frequency of your streaming improving, people will let this retarded accusation die down.

and for the record, i'm not close personal friends with zoohairZ, i've just met him on ladder a few times and he seems like a friendly guy.

Also, I'd gladly defend anyone who's getting accused of something as monumental as this when they literally have no concrete proof. Two replays, that's all you have. That's not enough.

I will also not be returning to this silly silly thread.

bye all -glhf


In response to what you,ve said, I've played Zoohair myself and didn't have any suspicion untill I watched his most recent replays. We're now at 3 replays. Streaming in the future doesn't prove that he didn't use any 3rd party programs in the past... though it is still a good way to prove he is not using any kind of those from now on.

I'd still like to get other replays of him dating from before yesterday, as he will be streaming his games now.
Eifer
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States138 Posts
July 10 2012 23:05 GMT
#1810
On July 10 2012 15:12 LuckyFool wrote:
Well at first I didn't believe but that rep is pretty fkin sketch. Zoohairz is one of the bigger coinflippy z's on NA and his play might be dumb enough to look like hax sometimes but I dunno....plus he's being super defensive spades style already in this thread...And wtf is up with eating dinner while playing. Who has 200apm eating dinner? Must have been some sort of finger foods dinner definitely wasn't lobster or some shit. Anyway baz is just a bmbag as it is so whatever, fuck all I'm going to bed.


I wish I could be eating lobster...
-UMADIMSTYLIN-
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Cuba292 Posts
July 10 2012 23:05 GMT
#1811
Zoohairz thinks everyone hacks, and is pretty BM. I watched the replays, and thats just how he plays.... DUMB! it just looks like hacks.. who knows maybe he does. who cares..
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 23:12:02
July 10 2012 23:06 GMT
#1812
On July 11 2012 07:46 ZweiGaming wrote:


Second replay which has not been analysed yet by other people:
Vs City
http://drop.sc/218319

5:48: It's a normal timing for a ling scout around 3rd base to see if there's a probe/pylon around. Though, the way he does it is very unusual. First of all, people normally queue up attack-move behind minerals and then to the next to the base down the map. The way he does it: he always keep his vision on his lings, clicks in front of the 3rd expo mineral patch, then clicks back a bit to the left (why never queuing behind?), well from the full view, the probe was starting to run out and the click a little up to the left made a difference in cutting off the probe. Found this way of scouting a little suspicious
10:40: Wants to do a ling hit and run one the 3rd base once again, but instead of clicking where the third is he clicks close to the ramp. Units happened to be clumped up just on the right of that spot, which made him get a surround on those. It seems to me like the surround was planified before getting vision of the units. Slow down to see the clicking through fog (exactly where he wants to send the lings). It is not as unusual as some other of his moves, but in addition to everything else it's suspect.
15:25 to 15:30: Slow down the speed of the replay - He clicks towards his opponent army in the fog (which he cannot take with only few lings) then decide not to go, sits a little in place and then starts back to run down. The place he clicks just happen to cut off 6-8 stalkers that were reinforcement to the main army of the protoss which is now away from the action.
15:21: In all this action, he keeps macroing really fast in his base going from a base to another, and then make an overseer and place it somewhere at his natural (right on an observer). I had to watch the replay about 4-5 times to even notice the observer at the speed things were going and while he was attacking.
16:32: Lings unburrow and start running down though, suddenly stop and run back up (as the toss army was moving towards them). Waits a bit for the toss army to be away and then counterattacks the 3rd again.
21:48 This one is the most suspect move of the game. Dt's morphing and going to the base at the bottom of the map. Zoohair suddenly takes lings and infestors from his army, sends them to that expo and rally his spawning units there as well. He didn't have vision of anything coming, nor knew his opponent had a DT shrine.





Was just watching this one myself. This is is from just 1 hour ago. It is very damning evidence and, combined with the other evidence, it's now proven beyond a reasonable doubt that zoohairz hacks. To add to what Zwei listed:

- Never bothers to scout his opponent's main the whole game.
- Generally poor mechanics. This guy is high master but floats 1.7k at 12:30?
- Opponent builds a pylon behind nat but zoohairz doesn't bother to send 4 probes, despite the fact that he hasn't scouted the fact that his opponent is opening gateway. zoohairz then sends down 2 drones (late) but doesn't actually attack the pylon then moves them back up.
- He then only builds one spine and proceeds to drone up, despite not scouting whether his opponent is building a nexus. All he knows is that his opponent opened gateway but he makes no effort to scout whether any type of push is coming.
- 16:55 - counterattacks his opponent's third the instant his opponent's army moves out.
- 17:30 - moves his army down to the bottom right as his opponent moves there. What if his opponent was going to attack the center base though?
- 17:40 - moves back to the center base as his opponent moves back away from the bottom right. This is very damning evidence right here.
- 18:05 - DT shrine starts and zoohairz immediately puts down spores and spines at EVERY base.

I stopped watching at this point because it's enough evidence as it is. Again, all of this evidence combined is conclusive proof. So pathetic that this guy is in this thread trying to defend his online reputation as if he really cares about it, despite there now being solid proof against him LOL. He was bound to get caught with such retarded play. Deserves to be shamed and banned for being the hacking lowlife that he is. Such a selfish thing to do, ruin the fun for others just so you can get a higher ladder rank yourself.

ZweiGaming
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada348 Posts
July 10 2012 23:11 GMT
#1813
On July 11 2012 08:06 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 07:46 ZweiGaming wrote:


Second replay which has not been analysed yet by other people:
Vs City
http://drop.sc/218319

5:48: It's a normal timing for a ling scout around 3rd base to see if there's a probe/pylon around. Though, the way he does it is very unusual. First of all, people normally queue up attack-move behind minerals and then to the next to the base down the map. The way he does it: he always keep his vision on his lings, clicks in front of the 3rd expo mineral patch, then clicks back a bit to the left (why never queuing behind?), well from the full view, the probe was starting to run out and the click a little up to the left made a difference in cutting off the probe. Found this way of scouting a little suspicious
10:40: Wants to do a ling hit and run one the 3rd base once again, but instead of clicking where the third is he clicks close to the ramp. Units happened to be clumped up just on the right of that spot, which made him get a surround on those. It seems to me like the surround was planified before getting vision of the units. Slow down to see the clicking through fog (exactly where he wants to send the lings). It is not as unusual as some other of his moves, but in addition to everything else it's suspect.
15:25 to 15:30: Slow down the speed of the replay - He clicks towards his opponent army in the fog (which he cannot take with only few lings) then decide not to go, sits a little in place and then starts back to run down. The place he clicks just happen to cut off 6-8 stalkers that were reinforcement to the main army of the protoss which is now away from the action.
15:21: In all this action, he keeps macroing really fast in his base going from a base to another, and then make an overseer and place it somewhere at his natural (right on an observer). I had to watch the replay about 4-5 times to even notice the observer at the speed things were going and while he was attacking.
16:32: Lings unburrow and start running down though, suddenly stop and run back up (as the toss army was moving towards them). Waits a bit for the toss army to be away and then counterattacks the 3rd again.
21:48 This one is the most suspect move of the game. Dt's morphing and going to the base at the bottom of the map. Zoohair suddenly takes lings and infestors from his army, sends them to that expo and rally his spawning units there as well. He didn't have vision of anything coming, nor knew his opponent had a DT shrine.





Was just watching this one myself. This is is from just 1 hour ago. It is very damning evidence and, combined with the other evidence, it's now proven beyond a reasonable doubt that zoohairz hacks. To add to what Zwei listed:

- Never bothers to scout his opponent's main the whole game.
- Generally poor mechanics. This guy is high master but floats 1.7k at 12:30?
- Opponent builds a pylon behind nat but zoohairz doesn't bother to send 4 probes, despite the fact that he hasn't scouted the fact that his opponent is opening gateway. zoohairz then sends down 2 drones (late) but doesn't actually attack the pylon then moves them back up.
- He then only builds one spine and proceeds to drone up, despite not scouting whether his opponent is building a nexus. All he knows is that his opponent opened gateway but he makes no effort to scout whether any type of push is coming.
- 16:55 - counterattacks his opponent's third the instant his opponent's army moves out.
- 17:30 - moves his army down to the bottom right as his opponent moves there. What if his opponent was going to attack the center base though?
- 17:40 - moves back to the center base as his opponent moves back away from the bottom right. This is very damning evidence right here.
- 18:05 - DT shrine starts and zoohairz puts down spores and spines at EVERY base.

Again, all of this evidence combined is conclusive proof. So pathetic that this guy is in this thread trying to defend his online reputation as if he really cares about it, despite there now being solid proof against him LOL. He was bound to get. Deserves to be shamed and banned for being the hacking lowlife that he is. Such a selfish thing to do, ruin the fun for others just so you can get a higher ladder rank yourself.



- 17:40 - moves back to the center base as his opponent moves back away from the bottom right. This is very damning evidence right here.

I had noted this timing but noticed the stalkers went on the creep for half a sec and went back. It might have been the reason to back off as anticipating his opponent would do so as well... But you are right, it's a fishy part.

The replay dates from 4 days, but I just put it up on drop.sc (1 hour ago) as the original uploader had it on another website.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 10 2012 23:12 GMT
#1814
On July 11 2012 08:11 ZweiGaming wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 08:06 Doodsmack wrote:
On July 11 2012 07:46 ZweiGaming wrote:


Second replay which has not been analysed yet by other people:
Vs City
http://drop.sc/218319

5:48: It's a normal timing for a ling scout around 3rd base to see if there's a probe/pylon around. Though, the way he does it is very unusual. First of all, people normally queue up attack-move behind minerals and then to the next to the base down the map. The way he does it: he always keep his vision on his lings, clicks in front of the 3rd expo mineral patch, then clicks back a bit to the left (why never queuing behind?), well from the full view, the probe was starting to run out and the click a little up to the left made a difference in cutting off the probe. Found this way of scouting a little suspicious
10:40: Wants to do a ling hit and run one the 3rd base once again, but instead of clicking where the third is he clicks close to the ramp. Units happened to be clumped up just on the right of that spot, which made him get a surround on those. It seems to me like the surround was planified before getting vision of the units. Slow down to see the clicking through fog (exactly where he wants to send the lings). It is not as unusual as some other of his moves, but in addition to everything else it's suspect.
15:25 to 15:30: Slow down the speed of the replay - He clicks towards his opponent army in the fog (which he cannot take with only few lings) then decide not to go, sits a little in place and then starts back to run down. The place he clicks just happen to cut off 6-8 stalkers that were reinforcement to the main army of the protoss which is now away from the action.
15:21: In all this action, he keeps macroing really fast in his base going from a base to another, and then make an overseer and place it somewhere at his natural (right on an observer). I had to watch the replay about 4-5 times to even notice the observer at the speed things were going and while he was attacking.
16:32: Lings unburrow and start running down though, suddenly stop and run back up (as the toss army was moving towards them). Waits a bit for the toss army to be away and then counterattacks the 3rd again.
21:48 This one is the most suspect move of the game. Dt's morphing and going to the base at the bottom of the map. Zoohair suddenly takes lings and infestors from his army, sends them to that expo and rally his spawning units there as well. He didn't have vision of anything coming, nor knew his opponent had a DT shrine.





Was just watching this one myself. This is is from just 1 hour ago. It is very damning evidence and, combined with the other evidence, it's now proven beyond a reasonable doubt that zoohairz hacks. To add to what Zwei listed:

- Never bothers to scout his opponent's main the whole game.
- Generally poor mechanics. This guy is high master but floats 1.7k at 12:30?
- Opponent builds a pylon behind nat but zoohairz doesn't bother to send 4 probes, despite the fact that he hasn't scouted the fact that his opponent is opening gateway. zoohairz then sends down 2 drones (late) but doesn't actually attack the pylon then moves them back up.
- He then only builds one spine and proceeds to drone up, despite not scouting whether his opponent is building a nexus. All he knows is that his opponent opened gateway but he makes no effort to scout whether any type of push is coming.
- 16:55 - counterattacks his opponent's third the instant his opponent's army moves out.
- 17:30 - moves his army down to the bottom right as his opponent moves there. What if his opponent was going to attack the center base though?
- 17:40 - moves back to the center base as his opponent moves back away from the bottom right. This is very damning evidence right here.
- 18:05 - DT shrine starts and zoohairz puts down spores and spines at EVERY base.

Again, all of this evidence combined is conclusive proof. So pathetic that this guy is in this thread trying to defend his online reputation as if he really cares about it, despite there now being solid proof against him LOL. He was bound to get. Deserves to be shamed and banned for being the hacking lowlife that he is. Such a selfish thing to do, ruin the fun for others just so you can get a higher ladder rank yourself.




The replay dates from 4 days, but I just put it up on drop.sc (1 hour ago) as the original uploader had it on another website.


Oh I see, well yeah that makes even more sense because it's from before he got outed in this thread.
ZweiGaming
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada348 Posts
July 10 2012 23:16 GMT
#1815
On July 11 2012 08:12 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 08:11 ZweiGaming wrote:
On July 11 2012 08:06 Doodsmack wrote:
On July 11 2012 07:46 ZweiGaming wrote:


Second replay which has not been analysed yet by other people:
Vs City
http://drop.sc/218319

5:48: It's a normal timing for a ling scout around 3rd base to see if there's a probe/pylon around. Though, the way he does it is very unusual. First of all, people normally queue up attack-move behind minerals and then to the next to the base down the map. The way he does it: he always keep his vision on his lings, clicks in front of the 3rd expo mineral patch, then clicks back a bit to the left (why never queuing behind?), well from the full view, the probe was starting to run out and the click a little up to the left made a difference in cutting off the probe. Found this way of scouting a little suspicious
10:40: Wants to do a ling hit and run one the 3rd base once again, but instead of clicking where the third is he clicks close to the ramp. Units happened to be clumped up just on the right of that spot, which made him get a surround on those. It seems to me like the surround was planified before getting vision of the units. Slow down to see the clicking through fog (exactly where he wants to send the lings). It is not as unusual as some other of his moves, but in addition to everything else it's suspect.
15:25 to 15:30: Slow down the speed of the replay - He clicks towards his opponent army in the fog (which he cannot take with only few lings) then decide not to go, sits a little in place and then starts back to run down. The place he clicks just happen to cut off 6-8 stalkers that were reinforcement to the main army of the protoss which is now away from the action.
15:21: In all this action, he keeps macroing really fast in his base going from a base to another, and then make an overseer and place it somewhere at his natural (right on an observer). I had to watch the replay about 4-5 times to even notice the observer at the speed things were going and while he was attacking.
16:32: Lings unburrow and start running down though, suddenly stop and run back up (as the toss army was moving towards them). Waits a bit for the toss army to be away and then counterattacks the 3rd again.
21:48 This one is the most suspect move of the game. Dt's morphing and going to the base at the bottom of the map. Zoohair suddenly takes lings and infestors from his army, sends them to that expo and rally his spawning units there as well. He didn't have vision of anything coming, nor knew his opponent had a DT shrine.





Was just watching this one myself. This is is from just 1 hour ago. It is very damning evidence and, combined with the other evidence, it's now proven beyond a reasonable doubt that zoohairz hacks. To add to what Zwei listed:

- Never bothers to scout his opponent's main the whole game.
- Generally poor mechanics. This guy is high master but floats 1.7k at 12:30?
- Opponent builds a pylon behind nat but zoohairz doesn't bother to send 4 probes, despite the fact that he hasn't scouted the fact that his opponent is opening gateway. zoohairz then sends down 2 drones (late) but doesn't actually attack the pylon then moves them back up.
- He then only builds one spine and proceeds to drone up, despite not scouting whether his opponent is building a nexus. All he knows is that his opponent opened gateway but he makes no effort to scout whether any type of push is coming.
- 16:55 - counterattacks his opponent's third the instant his opponent's army moves out.
- 17:30 - moves his army down to the bottom right as his opponent moves there. What if his opponent was going to attack the center base though?
- 17:40 - moves back to the center base as his opponent moves back away from the bottom right. This is very damning evidence right here.
- 18:05 - DT shrine starts and zoohairz puts down spores and spines at EVERY base.

Again, all of this evidence combined is conclusive proof. So pathetic that this guy is in this thread trying to defend his online reputation as if he really cares about it, despite there now being solid proof against him LOL. He was bound to get. Deserves to be shamed and banned for being the hacking lowlife that he is. Such a selfish thing to do, ruin the fun for others just so you can get a higher ladder rank yourself.




The replay dates from 4 days, but I just put it up on drop.sc (1 hour ago) as the original uploader had it on another website.


Oh I see, well yeah that makes even more sense because it's from before he got outed in this thread.


When you search a player's name on drop.sc the time it tells you is the upload one and puts it from the newest upload, to the oldest. Though if you click on details, it will then tell you the date played- Played: x days ago
EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
July 10 2012 23:21 GMT
#1816
Why is TOdesKaMpF defending someone who was almost certainly hacking in the replays that he met only a couple times so intensely? Suspicious much?
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches. Alice Roosevelt Longworth
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 23:26:43
July 10 2012 23:26 GMT
#1817
I played 2 games on ladder against zoohairZ, didn't notice anything sketchy in the reps honestly.
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Schickysc
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada380 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 23:30:38
July 10 2012 23:30 GMT
#1818
On July 11 2012 08:26 Megaliskuu wrote:
I played 2 games on ladder against zoohairZ, didn't notice anything sketchy in the reps honestly.


If they are recent, would you mind posting them to drop.sc and adding a link? Would be greatly appreciated. Could help shed light on the player either way.
Shoot for the Moon, Find a Star
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
July 10 2012 23:34 GMT
#1819
http://drop.sc/218402

http://drop.sc/218401
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 10 2012 23:36 GMT
#1820
On July 11 2012 08:34 Megaliskuu wrote:
http://drop.sc/218402

http://drop.sc/218401



Played today though, replays from before he got outed would be more useful.
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