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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.
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On July 10 2012 16:22 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 16:10 zoohairZ wrote:On July 10 2012 16:00 ExO_ wrote:
the most striking similarity I see is between zoohairZ's reactions in this thread, and spade's reactions. The entire dinner thing is obviously a lie, but why tell it? What does him eating dinner prove or do for his side of the story? absolutely nothing. It's either a really dumb lie for no good reason, or the result of panic defense. not going to lie, it was kind of a panic defense, LOL. Its like when all this negative attention is towards me its kinda scary. i just like apm spamming alot  but since all attention is on me im streaming now a bit !! www.twitch.tv/zoohairz Seeing as how yet another replay has been posted from someone about you, and considering that you're advertising your stream, should it come to it, it would probably be best if your stream actually included 1v1 ladder stream to show that you actually do play that way. I'm just saying since your stream and vods don't seem to have any 1v1 ladder on them. "If" it gets to that point.
I think i do have quote a bit of 1v1 ladder vods actually o-O; I will stream ladder tomorrow though
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On July 10 2012 16:29 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 16:16 Schickysc wrote:Found another replay of zoohairZ. Could be a month or two old. http://www.sc2replays.eu/show-replay-23261-0-scnzoohairz_z_-vs-laughingman_p.htmlAnyway, looked over this replay too. Found the following: At 2:43, the zoom issue. Many hackers have been having this problem. One of the popular hacks utilizes the mouse wheel to activate/deactivate a feature. He zooms out and back in quickly here. At 4:28, finds the probe, without having looked anywhere else. Didn't check above the gas. At 6:23, randomly decides that it's more important to check the top right spawning location for a proxy (where there is a probe, who builds a pylon), than it is to poke and make sure he's doing a standard FFE. Seems like a training game or something, but those 3 things may add to the previous evidence. o.O 2:43 was certainly strange, could be mis-scroll? Eh that is a semi common place for probe. Yea, for whatever reason a FFE was completely assumed. Didn't even have vision up the nat ramp until like 7 minutes in? Never did bother to scout until then.... but idk maybe this was a practice (edit: looks like maybe paid coaching?) game with pre-arranged FFE?
Yeah I assume some kind of practice game from the way the discussion goes, and from the colors. I just wanted to point out the scroll issue. While it COULD be a mis scroll, it is most commonly from activating/deactivating a feature in a maphack. It seems a lot of the "convicted" hackers have this in their replays recently. You just have to really be looking for it.
On July 10 2012 16:32 zoohairZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 16:22 EtherealDeath wrote:On July 10 2012 16:10 zoohairZ wrote:On July 10 2012 16:00 ExO_ wrote:
the most striking similarity I see is between zoohairZ's reactions in this thread, and spade's reactions. The entire dinner thing is obviously a lie, but why tell it? What does him eating dinner prove or do for his side of the story? absolutely nothing. It's either a really dumb lie for no good reason, or the result of panic defense. not going to lie, it was kind of a panic defense, LOL. Its like when all this negative attention is towards me its kinda scary. i just like apm spamming alot but since all attention is on me im streaming now a bit !! www.twitch.tv/zoohairz Seeing as how yet another replay has been posted from someone about you, and considering that you're advertising your stream, should it come to it, it would probably be best if your stream actually included 1v1 ladder stream to show that you actually do play that way. I'm just saying since your stream and vods don't seem to have any 1v1 ladder on them. "If" it gets to that point. I think i do have quote a bit of 1v1 ladder vods actually o-O; I will stream ladder tomorrow though
You have no vods since December of 2011 it seems?
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On July 10 2012 16:32 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 16:29 EtherealDeath wrote:On July 10 2012 16:16 Schickysc wrote:Found another replay of zoohairZ. Could be a month or two old. http://www.sc2replays.eu/show-replay-23261-0-scnzoohairz_z_-vs-laughingman_p.htmlAnyway, looked over this replay too. Found the following: At 2:43, the zoom issue. Many hackers have been having this problem. One of the popular hacks utilizes the mouse wheel to activate/deactivate a feature. He zooms out and back in quickly here. At 4:28, finds the probe, without having looked anywhere else. Didn't check above the gas. At 6:23, randomly decides that it's more important to check the top right spawning location for a proxy (where there is a probe, who builds a pylon), than it is to poke and make sure he's doing a standard FFE. Seems like a training game or something, but those 3 things may add to the previous evidence. o.O 2:43 was certainly strange, could be mis-scroll? Eh that is a semi common place for probe. Yea, for whatever reason a FFE was completely assumed. Didn't even have vision up the nat ramp until like 7 minutes in? Never did bother to scout until then.... but idk maybe this was a practice (edit: looks like maybe paid coaching?) game with pre-arranged FFE? Someone METAGAMED.... on the LADDER?!?!?! Guys.... proof, not mild suspicions. There are some people in this thread who have done detailled analysis on replays, send the replay to them in a pm, why do you have to drop names in this thread where it doesn't do anyone any good, everyone looks like an idiot this way.
Maybe I didn't make it clear that I was actually refuting/doubting his proof?
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On July 10 2012 16:34 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 16:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 10 2012 16:29 EtherealDeath wrote:On July 10 2012 16:16 Schickysc wrote:Found another replay of zoohairZ. Could be a month or two old. http://www.sc2replays.eu/show-replay-23261-0-scnzoohairz_z_-vs-laughingman_p.htmlAnyway, looked over this replay too. Found the following: At 2:43, the zoom issue. Many hackers have been having this problem. One of the popular hacks utilizes the mouse wheel to activate/deactivate a feature. He zooms out and back in quickly here. At 4:28, finds the probe, without having looked anywhere else. Didn't check above the gas. At 6:23, randomly decides that it's more important to check the top right spawning location for a proxy (where there is a probe, who builds a pylon), than it is to poke and make sure he's doing a standard FFE. Seems like a training game or something, but those 3 things may add to the previous evidence. o.O 2:43 was certainly strange, could be mis-scroll? Eh that is a semi common place for probe. Yea, for whatever reason a FFE was completely assumed. Didn't even have vision up the nat ramp until like 7 minutes in? Never did bother to scout until then.... but idk maybe this was a practice (edit: looks like maybe paid coaching?) game with pre-arranged FFE? Someone METAGAMED.... on the LADDER?!?!?! Guys.... proof, not mild suspicions. There are some people in this thread who have done detailled analysis on replays, send the replay to them in a pm, why do you have to drop names in this thread where it doesn't do anyone any good, everyone looks like an idiot this way. Maybe I didn't make it clear that I was actually refuting/doubting his proof?
I've never once claimed proof. I'm just writing down what I observed. Take from it what you want (or don't).
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On July 10 2012 16:37 Schickysc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 16:34 EtherealDeath wrote:On July 10 2012 16:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 10 2012 16:29 EtherealDeath wrote:On July 10 2012 16:16 Schickysc wrote:Found another replay of zoohairZ. Could be a month or two old. http://www.sc2replays.eu/show-replay-23261-0-scnzoohairz_z_-vs-laughingman_p.htmlAnyway, looked over this replay too. Found the following: At 2:43, the zoom issue. Many hackers have been having this problem. One of the popular hacks utilizes the mouse wheel to activate/deactivate a feature. He zooms out and back in quickly here. At 4:28, finds the probe, without having looked anywhere else. Didn't check above the gas. At 6:23, randomly decides that it's more important to check the top right spawning location for a proxy (where there is a probe, who builds a pylon), than it is to poke and make sure he's doing a standard FFE. Seems like a training game or something, but those 3 things may add to the previous evidence. o.O 2:43 was certainly strange, could be mis-scroll? Eh that is a semi common place for probe. Yea, for whatever reason a FFE was completely assumed. Didn't even have vision up the nat ramp until like 7 minutes in? Never did bother to scout until then.... but idk maybe this was a practice (edit: looks like maybe paid coaching?) game with pre-arranged FFE? Someone METAGAMED.... on the LADDER?!?!?! Guys.... proof, not mild suspicions. There are some people in this thread who have done detailled analysis on replays, send the replay to them in a pm, why do you have to drop names in this thread where it doesn't do anyone any good, everyone looks like an idiot this way. Maybe I didn't make it clear that I was actually refuting/doubting his proof? I've never once claimed proof. I'm just writing down what I observed. Take from it what you want (or don't).
Well you know what I mean, I was trying to put a skeptical light on the instances you mentioned. ^^
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On July 10 2012 16:38 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 16:37 Schickysc wrote:On July 10 2012 16:34 EtherealDeath wrote:On July 10 2012 16:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 10 2012 16:29 EtherealDeath wrote:On July 10 2012 16:16 Schickysc wrote:Found another replay of zoohairZ. Could be a month or two old. http://www.sc2replays.eu/show-replay-23261-0-scnzoohairz_z_-vs-laughingman_p.htmlAnyway, looked over this replay too. Found the following: At 2:43, the zoom issue. Many hackers have been having this problem. One of the popular hacks utilizes the mouse wheel to activate/deactivate a feature. He zooms out and back in quickly here. At 4:28, finds the probe, without having looked anywhere else. Didn't check above the gas. At 6:23, randomly decides that it's more important to check the top right spawning location for a proxy (where there is a probe, who builds a pylon), than it is to poke and make sure he's doing a standard FFE. Seems like a training game or something, but those 3 things may add to the previous evidence. o.O 2:43 was certainly strange, could be mis-scroll? Eh that is a semi common place for probe. Yea, for whatever reason a FFE was completely assumed. Didn't even have vision up the nat ramp until like 7 minutes in? Never did bother to scout until then.... but idk maybe this was a practice (edit: looks like maybe paid coaching?) game with pre-arranged FFE? Someone METAGAMED.... on the LADDER?!?!?! Guys.... proof, not mild suspicions. There are some people in this thread who have done detailled analysis on replays, send the replay to them in a pm, why do you have to drop names in this thread where it doesn't do anyone any good, everyone looks like an idiot this way. Maybe I didn't make it clear that I was actually refuting/doubting his proof? I've never once claimed proof. I'm just writing down what I observed. Take from it what you want (or don't). Well you know what I mean, I was trying to put a skeptical light on the instances you mentioned. ^^
Ok. Just don't want anyone getting the wrong impression from my post.
Towards his case, this replay, http://drop.sc/181039 from 1.4.3, has virtually no suspicious activity.
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checked the replay three times, looks like zoohairz is hacking, suggest zwei flag his name
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On July 10 2012 16:53 Itallion wrote:
checked the replay three times, looks like zoohairz is hacking, suggest zwei flag his name
Will look into it tomorrow as i'm too tired to think clearly right now
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On July 10 2012 16:40 Schickysc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 16:38 EtherealDeath wrote:On July 10 2012 16:37 Schickysc wrote:On July 10 2012 16:34 EtherealDeath wrote:On July 10 2012 16:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 10 2012 16:29 EtherealDeath wrote:On July 10 2012 16:16 Schickysc wrote:Found another replay of zoohairZ. Could be a month or two old. http://www.sc2replays.eu/show-replay-23261-0-scnzoohairz_z_-vs-laughingman_p.htmlAnyway, looked over this replay too. Found the following: At 2:43, the zoom issue. Many hackers have been having this problem. One of the popular hacks utilizes the mouse wheel to activate/deactivate a feature. He zooms out and back in quickly here. At 4:28, finds the probe, without having looked anywhere else. Didn't check above the gas. At 6:23, randomly decides that it's more important to check the top right spawning location for a proxy (where there is a probe, who builds a pylon), than it is to poke and make sure he's doing a standard FFE. Seems like a training game or something, but those 3 things may add to the previous evidence. o.O 2:43 was certainly strange, could be mis-scroll? Eh that is a semi common place for probe. Yea, for whatever reason a FFE was completely assumed. Didn't even have vision up the nat ramp until like 7 minutes in? Never did bother to scout until then.... but idk maybe this was a practice (edit: looks like maybe paid coaching?) game with pre-arranged FFE? Someone METAGAMED.... on the LADDER?!?!?! Guys.... proof, not mild suspicions. There are some people in this thread who have done detailled analysis on replays, send the replay to them in a pm, why do you have to drop names in this thread where it doesn't do anyone any good, everyone looks like an idiot this way. Maybe I didn't make it clear that I was actually refuting/doubting his proof? I've never once claimed proof. I'm just writing down what I observed. Take from it what you want (or don't). Well you know what I mean, I was trying to put a skeptical light on the instances you mentioned. ^^ Ok. Just don't want anyone getting the wrong impression from my post. Towards his case, this replay, http://drop.sc/181039 from 1.4.3, has virtually no suspicious activity.
I misunderstood your post but although yours was quoted, it was rather aimed at the entire thread. I apologize.
My point is that peoples names can get tarnished too easily from crap like this, people shouldn't just drop a name in the thread and say "omg I play 1 game against this guy and he's suspicious". Because every time someone has done that there are 3-4 people that reply to this by going: "omg I played this guy too, I knew I was better than him! Yeah defo hacker"
Before you know it a couple thousand people read this and it sticks, proof or not.
Not pointed at anyone in specific at all.
Why won't people just pm zwei, it's like people are just trying to justify their losses, not catch hackers.
On July 10 2012 16:53 Itallion wrote:
checked the replay three times, looks like zoohairz is hacking, suggest zwei flag his name
Oh you checked it three times, you must know what you're talking about then. You make a strong case.
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I half expected this to be of the existing replay, but then I watched the overseer looparound. Idk what to say about that lol... send those replays to Zwei I guess. Although, is that the only suspicious thing you found in all your games?
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On July 10 2012 17:31 EtherealDeath wrote:I half expected this to be of the existing replay, but then I watched the overseer looparound. Idk what to say about that lol... send those replays to Zwei I guess. Although, is that the only suspicious thing you found in all your games?
I only have 4 saved and 2 of the others are him just flopping drones around cannons and losing in 6 minute games and don't feel like looking at them -o-
maphack doesn't help you stop delayed cannons kekeke
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On July 10 2012 17:11 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 16:40 Schickysc wrote:On July 10 2012 16:38 EtherealDeath wrote:On July 10 2012 16:37 Schickysc wrote:On July 10 2012 16:34 EtherealDeath wrote:On July 10 2012 16:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 10 2012 16:29 EtherealDeath wrote:On July 10 2012 16:16 Schickysc wrote:Found another replay of zoohairZ. Could be a month or two old. http://www.sc2replays.eu/show-replay-23261-0-scnzoohairz_z_-vs-laughingman_p.htmlAnyway, looked over this replay too. Found the following: At 2:43, the zoom issue. Many hackers have been having this problem. One of the popular hacks utilizes the mouse wheel to activate/deactivate a feature. He zooms out and back in quickly here. At 4:28, finds the probe, without having looked anywhere else. Didn't check above the gas. At 6:23, randomly decides that it's more important to check the top right spawning location for a proxy (where there is a probe, who builds a pylon), than it is to poke and make sure he's doing a standard FFE. Seems like a training game or something, but those 3 things may add to the previous evidence. o.O 2:43 was certainly strange, could be mis-scroll? Eh that is a semi common place for probe. Yea, for whatever reason a FFE was completely assumed. Didn't even have vision up the nat ramp until like 7 minutes in? Never did bother to scout until then.... but idk maybe this was a practice (edit: looks like maybe paid coaching?) game with pre-arranged FFE? Someone METAGAMED.... on the LADDER?!?!?! Guys.... proof, not mild suspicions. There are some people in this thread who have done detailled analysis on replays, send the replay to them in a pm, why do you have to drop names in this thread where it doesn't do anyone any good, everyone looks like an idiot this way. Maybe I didn't make it clear that I was actually refuting/doubting his proof? I've never once claimed proof. I'm just writing down what I observed. Take from it what you want (or don't). Well you know what I mean, I was trying to put a skeptical light on the instances you mentioned. ^^ Ok. Just don't want anyone getting the wrong impression from my post. Towards his case, this replay, http://drop.sc/181039 from 1.4.3, has virtually no suspicious activity. I misunderstood your post but although yours was quoted, it was rather aimed at the entire thread. I apologize. My point is that peoples names can get tarnished too easily from crap like this, people shouldn't just drop a name in the thread and say "omg I play 1 game against this guy and he's suspicious". Because every time someone has done that there are 3-4 people that reply to this by going: "omg I played this guy too, I knew I was better than him! Yeah defo hacker" Before you know it a couple thousand people read this and it sticks, proof or not. Not pointed at anyone in specific at all. Why won't people just pm zwei, it's like people are just trying to justify their losses, not catch hackers. Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 16:53 Itallion wrote:
checked the replay three times, looks like zoohairz is hacking, suggest zwei flag his name Oh you checked it three times, you must know what you're talking about then. You make a strong case.
Not claiming to be the top "analyst" on whether someone is hacking or not, checked it three times, saw it was very fishy on multiple parts including the zergling runby with the perfect timing, so I'm recommending an expert like Zwei take a look at it.
Obviously you're troll-baiting but I'm going to let that pass 
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oh wow shit, he didn't even have vision of that sentry when he backed up loooooooool
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On July 10 2012 17:33 shinyA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 17:31 EtherealDeath wrote:I half expected this to be of the existing replay, but then I watched the overseer looparound. Idk what to say about that lol... send those replays to Zwei I guess. Although, is that the only suspicious thing you found in all your games? I only have 4 saved and 2 of the others are him just flopping drones around cannons and losing in 6 minute games and don't feel like looking at them -o- maphack doesn't help you stop delayed cannons kekeke
Yea I must say that overseer game is ... difficult to comprehend. Could you upload the replay, just so everyone can see the full context around it, just in case there is maybe a reason for that move (since you've already posted a vod of it)... although at face value it seems ridiculously strange.
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the overseer looparound... wow...
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Could be a coincidence, find more sketchy replays, or conclusive proof. Don't trash ZoohairZ reputation on a whim.
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LOL that loop around was super spider sense! :D
edit; why is zooharz having his friends come back him up lol "todeskampf"
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On July 10 2012 17:46 Paradise` wrote:
LOL that loop around was super spider sense! :D
edit; why is zooharz having his friends come back him up lol "todeskampf"
Actually it's called not fucking a guy's reputation over before all the evidence is in. Normally the way this would be done when there may be alternative reasons (i.e. not something so obvious as blink hack or always proxy 2 gating right spot) is by PMing the shit to the guy who is doing this thread, or otherwise creating yourself a large multi-replay sample size with analysis. However, now that shit's been posted anyways one replay at a time, we should not be rushing to judgment, even though I admit this looparound is hard to explain - but keep in mind we are watching a short segment of an 11 minute game that is somehow at around 20 supply for each player... at that point in the game. So this is an abnormal game already to begin with.
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On July 10 2012 17:54 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 17:46 Paradise` wrote:
LOL that loop around was super spider sense! :D
edit; why is zooharz having his friends come back him up lol "todeskampf" Actually it's called not fucking a guy's reputation over before all the evidence is in. Normally the way this would be done when there may be alternative reasons (i.e. not something so obvious as blink hack or always proxy 2 gating right spot) is by PMing the shit to the guy who is doing this thread, or otherwise creating yourself a large multi-replay sample size with analysis. However, now that shit's been posted anyways one replay at a time, we should not be rushing to judgment, even though I admit this looparound is hard to explain - but keep in mind we are watching a short segment of an 11 minute game that is somehow at around 20 supply for each player... at that point in the game. So this is an abnormal game already to begin with.
ZoohairZ reputation? He's only known for flaming the shit out of people that beat him...and now hacking rotfl
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