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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.

Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.
blaze13
Profile Joined February 2014
United States24 Posts
February 29 2016 16:08 GMT
#10201
Just played against an obvious maphacking masters Terran on NA ladder. He sends units out to kill a marine walking across the map and then moves all of his units to his main to defend a drop and then sends his vikings out kill it when he never had vision of it at all.

http://replays.sc/775

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/7075844/1/llllllllllll/
LDLCmiyako
Profile Joined May 2014
France25 Posts
February 29 2016 21:43 GMT
#10202
server: EU
Master League
name: HOONZ
proof: http://ggtracker.com/matches/6507209

I played him before doing 1/1/1 banshee he hard countered it, second game is so obvious.. im so pissed off now, starcraft is such a garbage, can't fix either balance or maphacker
eliv3
Profile Joined December 2014
Bulgaria1 Post
March 11 2016 01:39 GMT
#10203
server: EU
Master League
name: ImmortalPast
proof: http://ggtracker.com/matches/6525078 , https://gfycat.com/ScientificEnviousEquestrian.
Makes 2 gateway before nexus, 2 zealots blind and the rest is in the replay/gif. Either map hack or he can predict the future.
You make expand and defens it.
Railgan
Profile Joined August 2010
Switzerland1510 Posts
March 12 2016 19:59 GMT
#10204
On March 11 2016 10:39 eliv3 wrote:
server: EU
Master League
name: ImmortalPast
proof: http://ggtracker.com/matches/6525078 , https://gfycat.com/ScientificEnviousEquestrian.
Makes 2 gateway before nexus, 2 zealots blind and the rest is in the replay/gif. Either map hack or he can predict the future.

Don't think that enough to deduce that he hacks
Grandmaster Zerg from Switzerland!!! www.twitch.tv/railgan // www.twitter.com/railgansc // www.youtube.com/c/railgansc
QzYSc2
Profile Joined June 2012
Netherlands281 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-12 20:55:32
March 12 2016 20:52 GMT
#10205
On March 11 2016 10:39 eliv3 wrote:
server: EU
Master League
name: ImmortalPast
proof: http://ggtracker.com/matches/6525078 , https://gfycat.com/ScientificEnviousEquestrian.
Makes 2 gateway before nexus, 2 zealots blind and the rest is in the replay/gif. Either map hack or he can predict the future.



i remembered playing vs this guy quite a while ago, so i checked my replays. Not saying this is definite proof, but he does play suspicious.

replay: http://ggtracker.com/matches/6528895

2:04 blocks off with a pylon without knowing whether i went for marine or reaper. (yes i took gas first but i couldve gone factory aswell)
2:15 THIS IS VERY SUSPICIOUS if you ask me, he moves probe to choke again, BEFORE seeing my reaper so he can rebuild that pylon. so he commits a pylon, and repylon without even knowing if i went reaper.
5:23 pre emptively moves his mothership core to charge his pylon because i have a hellion coming ( he does not see it )
7:54 drops a pylon near the rocks right when i was killing it.

rest of his movements can be argued i guess, but its near perfect responses.
also, floating 2.2k minerals with 6 gateways at 147 supply does seem like maphacker macro at high masters (terrible).
QzYSc2
Profile Joined June 2012
Netherlands281 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-12 20:54:00
March 12 2016 20:53 GMT
#10206
double post
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
March 12 2016 21:55 GMT
#10207
On March 11 2016 10:39 eliv3 wrote:
server: EU
Master League
name: ImmortalPast
proof: http://ggtracker.com/matches/6525078 , https://gfycat.com/ScientificEnviousEquestrian.
Makes 2 gateway before nexus, 2 zealots blind and the rest is in the replay/gif. Either map hack or he can predict the future.

To me it doesn't look like hacking at all (watching the gif):
He sees you are on one base with his pylon on your 2nd base, I don't know much PvZ but if he has died to such builds from 1base zergs at that timing, he probably knew it would be ling drop and at that timing you would not have the time to drop from another location than this one.
2) He is in a real team, I doubt he would be cheating knowing that.
3) Protoss is not very hard mechanically so if he was a cheater he would probably be GM

WriterMaru
evolsiefil
Profile Joined October 2015
143 Posts
March 12 2016 22:34 GMT
#10208
There are no working hacks anymore.
WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-13 00:00:15
March 12 2016 23:59 GMT
#10209
On March 13 2016 07:34 evolsiefil wrote:
There are no working hacks anymore.

I won't link you but Koreans are cranking out several map hacks every month, and update them before Blizzard gets word of an update so the ninja patches don't break them.
evolsiefil
Profile Joined October 2015
143 Posts
March 13 2016 00:29 GMT
#10210
i was talking about non korean hacks. it is nigh impossible for your average na/ eu ladder hero to get a hold of these. in other words, it has become highly unlikely to run into a hacker on na and eu these days.
WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
March 13 2016 00:38 GMT
#10211
On March 13 2016 09:29 evolsiefil wrote:
i was talking about non korean hacks. it is nigh impossible for your average na/ eu ladder hero to get a hold of these. in other words, it has become highly unlikely to run into a hacker on na and eu these days.

It's literally two syllables in Google to get one
PolymakTri
Profile Joined December 2012
Russian Federation37 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 17:33:21
March 18 2016 17:31 GMT
#10212
On March 13 2016 07:34 evolsiefil wrote:
There are no working hacks anymore.

Really? Look at this video. It is in Russian, but everything is clear without translation. A distinctive feature of this hack, it suspends the game at 1:05 in every game.
+ Show Spoiler +


Hey, Blizzard!
WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
March 18 2016 19:12 GMT
#10213
Guys, please stop the whole "there are no hacks" crap. There are like 25 different working Korean hacks.
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
March 18 2016 19:51 GMT
#10214
server: NA
GrandMaster League
name: NoRegret
proof: http://ggtracker.com/matches/6542436

2nd time i've caught noregret hacking on NA

Looks into the fog of war many times. First few:

9:38: checking into fog of war between my natural and 3rd gold base, flies muta straight to CC shortly after

9:44: just for reference he never sees any banshees, cloaked, or uncloaked within his vision which leads to the most blatant 100% piece of evidence ->

10:00 He looks into the fog of war at the two banshees, he has hatches selected, not rallying them, not doing anything, but his screen is where the banshees are at. They may be on the edge of his vision but it looks like whatever hack he's using he is most likely zoomed way out and can see them on his screen. There is no reason for him to move his screen here so blatantly ever in a game like this. This is 100% proof please look at this.

Sup
WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 19:58:57
March 18 2016 19:57 GMT
#10215
On March 19 2016 04:51 avilo wrote:
server: NA
GrandMaster League
name: NoRegret
proof: http://ggtracker.com/matches/6542436

2nd time i've caught noregret hacking on NA


1. All 25 something hacks that are currently working are overlay hacks, meaning nothing is injected. He wouldn't gain anything from moving his camera.

2. Stop defaming players that do this for a living. The last thing NoRegret needs is a retard in his 30s living with his parents trying to ruin his career.

User was temp banned for this post.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
March 18 2016 21:26 GMT
#10216
On March 19 2016 04:51 avilo wrote:
server: NA
GrandMaster League
name: NoRegret
proof: http://ggtracker.com/matches/6542436

2nd time i've caught noregret hacking on NA

Looks into the fog of war many times. First few:

9:38: checking into fog of war between my natural and 3rd gold base, flies muta straight to CC shortly after

9:44: just for reference he never sees any banshees, cloaked, or uncloaked within his vision which leads to the most blatant 100% piece of evidence ->

10:00 He looks into the fog of war at the two banshees, he has hatches selected, not rallying them, not doing anything, but his screen is where the banshees are at. They may be on the edge of his vision but it looks like whatever hack he's using he is most likely zoomed way out and can see them on his screen. There is no reason for him to move his screen here so blatantly ever in a game like this. This is 100% proof please look at this.



Avilo: He sees Banshees early on in the game.

He also ling drops early game while you're bunkered up and have hellions etc out. He chases two banshees to the edge of the map even as your air army shows up on the other side which kills off two hatches of his. Why would a hacker throw the game so much?

Your other "evidence" is circumstantial at best. You've as usual got no case.
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
March 18 2016 22:05 GMT
#10217
On March 19 2016 06:26 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 04:51 avilo wrote:
server: NA
GrandMaster League
name: NoRegret
proof: http://ggtracker.com/matches/6542436

2nd time i've caught noregret hacking on NA

Looks into the fog of war many times. First few:

9:38: checking into fog of war between my natural and 3rd gold base, flies muta straight to CC shortly after

9:44: just for reference he never sees any banshees, cloaked, or uncloaked within his vision which leads to the most blatant 100% piece of evidence ->

10:00 He looks into the fog of war at the two banshees, he has hatches selected, not rallying them, not doing anything, but his screen is where the banshees are at. They may be on the edge of his vision but it looks like whatever hack he's using he is most likely zoomed way out and can see them on his screen. There is no reason for him to move his screen here so blatantly ever in a game like this. This is 100% proof please look at this.



Avilo: He sees Banshees early on in the game.

He also ling drops early game while you're bunkered up and have hellions etc out. He chases two banshees to the edge of the map even as your air army shows up on the other side which kills off two hatches of his. Why would a hacker throw the game so much?

Your other "evidence" is circumstantial at best. You've as usual got no case.


How does a player making mistakes have anything to do with him blatantly looking into the fog of war at cloaked units? What the fuck? If this were brood war people would be in hysteria at some of the things you guys say in this thread.

Look at the replay objectively. Zero creep spread for a top 10 GM player, then looks at cloaked banshees on the map with no vision/prior knowledge to them being sent out lol.

Dunno what to say.
Sup
oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
March 19 2016 05:05 GMT
#10218
Doesn't noregret still live at the psistm gaming house? There isn't really much to go on from that replay, as people already pointed out he did see a banshee early on and pretty much all game long he moves his camera into the fog of wherever he moves his units even if nothing is there. Plenty of times he sent units around looking for stuff that wasn't there.
Creator of sc2unmasked.com
WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
March 19 2016 07:39 GMT
#10219
On March 19 2016 14:05 oOOoOphidian wrote:
Doesn't noregret still live at the psistm gaming house? There isn't really much to go on from that replay, as people already pointed out he did see a banshee early on and pretty much all game long he moves his camera into the fog of wherever he moves his units even if nothing is there. Plenty of times he sent units around looking for stuff that wasn't there.

Man just don't, it's an attention post.
JudeauTV
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany262 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-19 10:54:43
March 19 2016 10:39 GMT
#10220

just for reference he never sees any banshees, cloaked, or uncloaked within his vision


5:35 He sees the banshee that has just killed the Zergling that was keeping the CC from landing.

and as if that is not enough

6:57 He sees all 3 Starports and their addons (2x tech, 1x reac) - hmm, what units might come from these buildings I wonder.


10:00 He looks into the fog of war at the two banshees, he has hatches selected, not rallying them, not doing anything, but his screen is where the banshees are at. They may be on the edge of his vision but it looks like whatever hack he's using he is most likely zoomed way out and can see them on his screen. There is no reason for him to move his screen here so blatantly ever in a game like this. This is 100% proof please look at this.


That is an actual screenshot of the opponents vision using the GH interface, which grants you even more vision than the regular ingame interface:

[image loading]

I don't know about you, but I don't see any banshees on that screen.

If you look at the minimap

[image loading]

you can see how much further down you'd have to scroll to see them. It's nowhere NEAR the what you call "edge of his vision".

Furthermore, after supposedly having seen your cloaked banshee through the fog of war, his mutas were first sent towards the middle of the map. He only starts sending them back after the first banshee hits the hatchery at the 3rd. What's the point of looking through the fog of war, if you then don't intercept the discovered units?
People thinking they knew exactly what they want, most of the time have no idea what they can get.
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