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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.

Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.
dde
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada796 Posts
April 10 2014 03:51 GMT
#7941
On March 27 2014 17:05 sc2chronic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 12:39 sc2chronic wrote:
Hacker name: TomBombodil
Server: NA
League: masters
Description: http://drop.sc/375646 - blind 13 12 counter to 10 pool bane. blind spine crawler. builds natural and third right after i start mine. no scout. builds units when i queue up units. moves army according to my positioning. hard to argue against mh.



Hacker name: TomBombodil
Server: NA
League: masters
Description: Played him again. Again blind counter to 10 pool bane. Moves his army positioned according to mine. http://drop.sc/377639 he should be on ban list


this guy map hacks 100 percent
yes
Jimmeh
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom908 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-10 13:09:16
April 10 2014 13:05 GMT
#7942
Hacker name [TWOK] MSY
Server EU
League Masters
Description http://drop.sc/378452

Normally I'd go through the replay and provide exact details, but honestly if you watch the replay for 8minutes (at most) in game time you'll see enough. Follows my reaper with his stalker/MSC perfectly and completely blind, after his stalker pressure he amoves directly onto my scouting SCVs in fog of war, warps in stalkers perfectly to an unscouted drop, always positions his army perfectly wherever I'm attacking, moves out zealots to exactly where my marines are positioned... and all of this is with 0 scouting.

Basically he doesn't even try to hide it.
Candino
Profile Joined August 2011
Russian Federation26 Posts
April 10 2014 18:11 GMT
#7943
MSY is a maphacker for sure.
More GG, more skill!!!
yolteotl
Profile Joined October 2011
France76 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-11 20:18:01
April 11 2014 20:16 GMT
#7944
Obvious maphacker :

Hacker name : lllllllllllll
Server EU (Division : Jorgensen Echo)
League : Master
Description : http://www.ggtracker.com/matches/4916456

I cheesed him (proxy rax), he watched at it @ 2:20 and 2:24, then put a bunker without scout it...
He found a scv building a ninja-CC at the end too (and other funny stuffs during the game)
Candino
Profile Joined August 2011
Russian Federation26 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-12 13:30:19
April 12 2014 13:30 GMT
#7945
Hacker name : [AF]TOM
League : Master
replay
5:20 Changes rally point as like as he knows i am expanding
13:40 0 observers but reacts so luckily to my 2 medivac drop
14:02 Incredible luck at catching 1 more medivac.
14:13 Why does he suddenly move all his army back?
14:19 Which sense helped him move ht to the perfect position to feedback 4 medivacs?
0 observers all game long. How can it be possible to play like this in tvp? Please check the replay.
More GG, more skill!!!
AFSpeeDy
Profile Joined June 2011
126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-12 14:11:04
April 12 2014 13:47 GMT
#7946
On April 12 2014 22:30 Candino wrote:
Hacker name : [AF]TOM
League : Master
replay
5:20 Changes rally point as like as he knows i am expanding
13:40 0 observers but reacts so luckily to my 2 medivac drop
14:02 Incredible luck at catching 1 more medivac.
14:13 Why does he suddenly move all his army back?
14:19 Which sense helped him move ht to the perfect position to feedback 4 medivacs?
0 observers all game long. How can it be possible to play like this in tvp? Please check the replay.


Without watching the replay i can 100% say that he never hacks. Hell, he even streams the whole time on TL and commentates in Teamspeak and yes, luck is part of the game. (Im the Co Leader of Af).

EDIT: Watched the replay.

5:20 Doesnt mean anything.
13:40 his army spots your medivacs as he moves to the middle of the map. Honestly its not hard to catch medivacs when
they are 30 seconds ago unloaded and standing there.
14:13 He chased the medvacs before and then went back. I heard standing in the middle of nowhere isn't very good.
14:19 he had 1 safety HT standing there with 89 energy. 1 Feedback doesnt kill 4 medivacs.

Honestly next time dont accuse someone of maphacking when you lost.
Candino
Profile Joined August 2011
Russian Federation26 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-12 14:12:23
April 12 2014 14:11 GMT
#7947
On April 12 2014 22:47 AFSpeeDy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2014 22:30 Candino wrote:
Hacker name : [AF]TOM
League : Master
replay
5:20 Changes rally point as like as he knows i am expanding
13:40 0 observers but reacts so luckily to my 2 medivac drop
14:02 Incredible luck at catching 1 more medivac.
14:13 Why does he suddenly move all his army back?
14:19 Which sense helped him move ht to the perfect position to feedback 4 medivacs?
0 observers all game long. How can it be possible to play like this in tvp? Please check the replay.


Without watching the replay i can 100% say that he never hacks. Hell, he even streams the whole time on TL and commentates in Teamspeak and yes, luck is part of the game. (Im the Co Leader of Af).

You can stream with maphack easily just by capturing only sc2. Maphack is like an overlay which you can just not include into capture.
I just can't understand how he can play with 0 observers and can't understand why he moved all his army back while fixing templar position 5 sec before drop.
More GG, more skill!!!
RLcAnWaiT
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany4 Posts
April 12 2014 14:21 GMT
#7948
I watched the Replay and Candino you re right, the HT move at the end is really really weird but its the the only suspicious move in the whole Game, so maybe you need more Replays to confirm him, thats not enough i think.
Ai.Cola
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany236 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-13 00:30:49
April 13 2014 00:23 GMT
#7949
On April 12 2014 23:11 Candino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2014 22:47 AFSpeeDy wrote:
On April 12 2014 22:30 Candino wrote:
Hacker name : [AF]TOM
League : Master
replay
5:20 Changes rally point as like as he knows i am expanding
13:40 0 observers but reacts so luckily to my 2 medivac drop
14:02 Incredible luck at catching 1 more medivac.
14:13 Why does he suddenly move all his army back?
14:19 Which sense helped him move ht to the perfect position to feedback 4 medivacs?
0 observers all game long. How can it be possible to play like this in tvp? Please check the replay.


Without watching the replay i can 100% say that he never hacks. Hell, he even streams the whole time on TL and commentates in Teamspeak and yes, luck is part of the game. (Im the Co Leader of Af).

You can stream with maphack easily just by capturing only sc2. Maphack is like an overlay which you can just not include into capture.
I just can't understand how he can play with 0 observers and can't understand why he moved all his army back while fixing templar position 5 sec before drop.


How do you know that maphack works like that?
Gonna watch the replay now.
Edit: so the end was kinda weird, but there is absolutely no solid evidence for maphack.
check out my stream: http://www.own3d.tv/live/103247/Alien-Invasion_Cola HotS Terran, Grandmaster
Jade
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland289 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-14 14:45:41
April 14 2014 03:05 GMT
#7950
Resolved
@KRN_Jade "Patience is a small price to pay for perfection."
LingBlingBling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States353 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-14 03:11:52
April 14 2014 03:11 GMT
#7951
On April 12 2014 23:11 Candino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2014 22:47 AFSpeeDy wrote:
On April 12 2014 22:30 Candino wrote:
Hacker name : [AF]TOM
League : Master
replay
5:20 Changes rally point as like as he knows i am expanding
13:40 0 observers but reacts so luckily to my 2 medivac drop
14:02 Incredible luck at catching 1 more medivac.
14:13 Why does he suddenly move all his army back?
14:19 Which sense helped him move ht to the perfect position to feedback 4 medivacs?
0 observers all game long. How can it be possible to play like this in tvp? Please check the replay.


Without watching the replay i can 100% say that he never hacks. Hell, he even streams the whole time on TL and commentates in Teamspeak and yes, luck is part of the game. (Im the Co Leader of Af).

You can stream with maphack easily just by capturing only sc2. Maphack is like an overlay which you can just not include into capture.
I just can't understand how he can play with 0 observers and can't understand why he moved all his army back while fixing templar position 5 sec before drop.


This guy is a perfect example of why we need moderation back in this Thread. Everything you said was wrong. There are 2 types of map hacks, Internal (most commonly used injects into .exe and provides other features potentially, can't be hidden on stream)

and external which is a overlay that also can't be hidden on stream, the map hack portion aka mini map hack will still be displayed on screen, the only way to hide would be to have the overlay on a 2nd monitor.

But the guy you are accusing is 100% legit and nothing in the replays shows any ounce of hacking, this is why we need moderation, this thread is just being used to rage cry and whine after losing games. People dragging innocent peoples names into the mud because they lost games, hardly any good evidence presented at all.
Remember our motto: We ain't got it.
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
April 14 2014 03:27 GMT
#7952
On April 14 2014 12:11 LingBlingBling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2014 23:11 Candino wrote:
On April 12 2014 22:47 AFSpeeDy wrote:
On April 12 2014 22:30 Candino wrote:
Hacker name : [AF]TOM
League : Master
replay
5:20 Changes rally point as like as he knows i am expanding
13:40 0 observers but reacts so luckily to my 2 medivac drop
14:02 Incredible luck at catching 1 more medivac.
14:13 Why does he suddenly move all his army back?
14:19 Which sense helped him move ht to the perfect position to feedback 4 medivacs?
0 observers all game long. How can it be possible to play like this in tvp? Please check the replay.


Without watching the replay i can 100% say that he never hacks. Hell, he even streams the whole time on TL and commentates in Teamspeak and yes, luck is part of the game. (Im the Co Leader of Af).

You can stream with maphack easily just by capturing only sc2. Maphack is like an overlay which you can just not include into capture.
I just can't understand how he can play with 0 observers and can't understand why he moved all his army back while fixing templar position 5 sec before drop.


This guy is a perfect example of why we need moderation back in this Thread. Everything you said was wrong. There are 2 types of map hacks, Internal (most commonly used injects into .exe and provides other features potentially, can't be hidden on stream)

and external which is a overlay that also can't be hidden on stream, the map hack portion aka mini map hack will still be displayed on screen, the only way to hide would be to have the overlay on a 2nd monitor.

But the guy you are accusing is 100% legit and nothing in the replays shows any ounce of hacking, this is why we need moderation, this thread is just being used to rage cry and whine after losing games. People dragging innocent peoples names into the mud because they lost games, hardly any good evidence presented at all.


Look, the dude posted evidence, and people called him out. Thread purpose served. Having a moderator here would do nothing to prevent the thing you're complaining about, because it happened all the time before when there was someone watching the thread.

We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
Daimai
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden762 Posts
April 14 2014 04:47 GMT
#7953
On April 14 2014 12:05 Jade wrote:
http://drop.sc/378638
[PwRG] Stygian
Not much to say, proxy 2 gate on Merry Go Round. What is hilarous is that he scouts with 2 probes yet he starts his proxy in my base without even checking the base he's proxying in and his 2nd probe stopped at the other base's natural.


Hehe, watched the replay, seems my scouting trick has caught on. It's not maphack.

If you select the probe of Stygian you will see that he has queued up two commands to walk to the place where the nexus is supposed to be. This creates two green lines and if they diverge, you know a nexus is there without needing to actually see it, since its in the way of the probes pathing, even through the fog of war. I suspect that the other probe didn't scout because the guy didn't have the multitasking to check two bases at once.
To pray is to accept defeat.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 14 2014 05:32 GMT
#7954
On April 14 2014 13:47 Daimai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 12:05 Jade wrote:
http://drop.sc/378638
[PwRG] Stygian
Not much to say, proxy 2 gate on Merry Go Round. What is hilarous is that he scouts with 2 probes yet he starts his proxy in my base without even checking the base he's proxying in and his 2nd probe stopped at the other base's natural.


Hehe, watched the replay, seems my scouting trick has caught on. It's not maphack.

If you select the probe of Stygian you will see that he has queued up two commands to walk to the place where the nexus is supposed to be. This creates two green lines and if they diverge, you know a nexus is there without needing to actually see it, since its in the way of the probes pathing, even through the fog of war. I suspect that the other probe didn't scout because the guy didn't have the multitasking to check two bases at once.


I'm not catching on .... how does that work...?
mainerd
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States347 Posts
April 14 2014 05:53 GMT
#7955
On April 14 2014 14:32 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 13:47 Daimai wrote:
On April 14 2014 12:05 Jade wrote:
http://drop.sc/378638
[PwRG] Stygian
Not much to say, proxy 2 gate on Merry Go Round. What is hilarous is that he scouts with 2 probes yet he starts his proxy in my base without even checking the base he's proxying in and his 2nd probe stopped at the other base's natural.


Hehe, watched the replay, seems my scouting trick has caught on. It's not maphack.

If you select the probe of Stygian you will see that he has queued up two commands to walk to the place where the nexus is supposed to be. This creates two green lines and if they diverge, you know a nexus is there without needing to actually see it, since its in the way of the probes pathing, even through the fog of war. I suspect that the other probe didn't scout because the guy didn't have the multitasking to check two bases at once.


I'm not catching on .... how does that work...?

I think you shift queue a move command that sends the probe back out of the main after the move command that hits the nex. The probe will follow the same exact path if no structure is there, but will diverge from that path as it enters the main if there is a structure. The two pathing lines diverge before you see the nex, letting you know it is there.
"Let me tell you, in eSTRO we had some circle jerks, straight up. It wasn't pretty." -NonY
Wormi
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany181 Posts
April 14 2014 06:35 GMT
#7956
On April 12 2014 22:30 Candino wrote:
Hacker name : [AF]TOM
League : Master
replay
5:20 Changes rally point as like as he knows i am expanding
13:40 0 observers but reacts so luckily to my 2 medivac drop
14:02 Incredible luck at catching 1 more medivac.
14:13 Why does he suddenly move all his army back?
14:19 Which sense helped him move ht to the perfect position to feedback 4 medivacs?
0 observers all game long. How can it be possible to play like this in tvp? Please check the replay.


such an army movement without obs! if this was luck, he wasted a ton of karma during this game.

on the other hand, i met him several times on the ladder. don´t think he was hacking against me.
maybe you can check his ranking. when i played him, we were both low master. if he got into top 8 masters within a month, it could be mh.
I´m a real person. Beep beep.
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
April 14 2014 06:41 GMT
#7957
On April 12 2014 05:16 yolteotl wrote:
Obvious maphacker :

Hacker name : lllllllllllll
Server EU (Division : Jorgensen Echo)
League : Master
Description : http://www.ggtracker.com/matches/4916456

I cheesed him (proxy rax), he watched at it @ 2:20 and 2:24, then put a bunker without scout it...
He found a scv building a ninja-CC at the end too (and other funny stuffs during the game)


I watched replay from his camera view, very dodgy indeed. He doenst even look at what units to attack, his camera doesnt look at battles. He also looks into the fog of war minimap (only map hackers do that?).

Also, he blindly drops turrets for banchees. That could be luck, but with the amount of turrets he used looks he knew, even tho no scan.

*burp*
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
April 14 2014 07:29 GMT
#7958
On April 14 2014 12:11 LingBlingBling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2014 23:11 Candino wrote:
On April 12 2014 22:47 AFSpeeDy wrote:
On April 12 2014 22:30 Candino wrote:
Hacker name : [AF]TOM
League : Master
replay
5:20 Changes rally point as like as he knows i am expanding
13:40 0 observers but reacts so luckily to my 2 medivac drop
14:02 Incredible luck at catching 1 more medivac.
14:13 Why does he suddenly move all his army back?
14:19 Which sense helped him move ht to the perfect position to feedback 4 medivacs?
0 observers all game long. How can it be possible to play like this in tvp? Please check the replay.


Without watching the replay i can 100% say that he never hacks. Hell, he even streams the whole time on TL and commentates in Teamspeak and yes, luck is part of the game. (Im the Co Leader of Af).

You can stream with maphack easily just by capturing only sc2. Maphack is like an overlay which you can just not include into capture.
I just can't understand how he can play with 0 observers and can't understand why he moved all his army back while fixing templar position 5 sec before drop.


This guy is a perfect example of why we need moderation back in this Thread. Everything you said was wrong. There are 2 types of map hacks, Internal (most commonly used injects into .exe and provides other features potentially, can't be hidden on stream)

and external which is a overlay that also can't be hidden on stream, the map hack portion aka mini map hack will still be displayed on screen, the only way to hide would be to have the overlay on a 2nd monitor.

But the guy you are accusing is 100% legit and nothing in the replays shows any ounce of hacking, this is why we need moderation, this thread is just being used to rage cry and whine after losing games. People dragging innocent peoples names into the mud because they lost games, hardly any good evidence presented at all.


Just to make it clear, you can stream with an external maphack using OBS. You capture sc2 scene and it won't show the said maphack. We got several dump people a while ago that were claiming they didn't hack and show us a stream for the sake of it, still the way they played was so obvious that it was a proof in itself (walling with canon to protecct 4 gate without scout ever scouting, spotting right away at the exact position other proxies, etc.)
Ai.Cola
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany236 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-14 08:32:15
April 14 2014 08:30 GMT
#7959
On April 14 2014 15:35 Wormi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2014 22:30 Candino wrote:
Hacker name : [AF]TOM
League : Master
replay
5:20 Changes rally point as like as he knows i am expanding
13:40 0 observers but reacts so luckily to my 2 medivac drop
14:02 Incredible luck at catching 1 more medivac.
14:13 Why does he suddenly move all his army back?
14:19 Which sense helped him move ht to the perfect position to feedback 4 medivacs?
0 observers all game long. How can it be possible to play like this in tvp? Please check the replay.


such an army movement without obs! if this was luck, he wasted a ton of karma during this game.

on the other hand, i met him several times on the ladder. don´t think he was hacking against me.
maybe you can check his ranking. when i played him, we were both low master. if he got into top 8 masters within a month, it could be mh.


Can you name more than 1 or two of those lucky, weird army movements in that game?
The fact that OP mentioned the oracle ralley in itself tells me that he didn't even watch the replay properly, because he changes the ralley point several times, with no system at all, and not in response to the expansion, also he immediatly cues his oracle in the main base ... where is the evidence?
check out my stream: http://www.own3d.tv/live/103247/Alien-Invasion_Cola HotS Terran, Grandmaster
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
April 14 2014 09:28 GMT
#7960
Tom doesnt hack, geez, stop calling everyone a hacker you lose to by some unlucky move...
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