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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.

Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.
MurDeRsc2
Profile Joined May 2010
133 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 04:15:15
May 11 2013 22:22 GMT
#5821
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 01:04:50
May 12 2013 00:53 GMT
#5822
On May 11 2013 13:55 Blixt wrote:
Name : Lacrima
League : Master
Server : NA
Replay : http://drop.sc/333356

-Repeatedly watches my base through fog of war
-Watches my scouting SCV through the fog of war
-Predicts where my reaper will go (No real evidence, but it adds up)
-Hasn't seen any of my tech through out the whole game
-He does a counter-build to my build Hellbatdrop vs 2-base muta
-Goes for my building turret at my natural with his first flock of mutas (Which he has no idea is there) its placed between my main and natural, not at a usual place.

If you'll watch the replay it's really obvious.

//Blixt


Played him earlier today. Ridiculously obvious maphacker. The fact that his win rate is so high as random without cheesing is a bit of a tell, but there is the chance he could just be awesome. Then there is:

-drops engineering bay <5 seconds after I drop stargatge
-sends a marine directly to my hidden probe without scouting anywhere else on the map
-pulls scvs to bunker a good 10 seconds before my attack (with no scouting)

I reported him on b.net, but have no clue if that will do anything. I guess the more people that report him the better.
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
May 12 2013 02:18 GMT
#5823
^whatever youre saying to "prove" youre innocence is a waste of words, anyone can come up with any number of excuses. If you want to prove your innocence we need to see some reps with your pov. and some reasonable explanations to go along with them.
I carve marble busts of assassinated world leaders - PM for a quote
MurDeRsc2
Profile Joined May 2010
133 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 04:15:25
May 12 2013 03:14 GMT
#5824
ZweiGaming
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada348 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 04:12:30
May 12 2013 03:58 GMT
#5825
On May 12 2013 07:22 MurDeRsc2 wrote:
I've received a PM about this and gave my account info to somone else for them to give their analysis.

I am confident in my innocence so I'll just reveal it to everyone.

Under the "Zwei Legacy" my name is Terran. I am just below LGIntel.

I am accused of maphack, and the evidence is very poor as any of you can see for yourselves. Anyway, here is my detailed defense. I admit there are a few "odd" occurences but I point them out and give the best explaination for it I can. Keep in mind these games were played years ago, at a very primitive state of sc2. (You'll be able to tell from the buildorders)... Regardless of what you think, I know I am not a hacker and am innocent. You should find the same conclusion if you take the time to analyze the games with an open mind.

My thoughts on the games in greater detail. You may want to read my opinions/defenses after you get your own opinion on the games. I give a general response to the replay then defend each specific minute mark they accuse me of cheating.

The game vs Just has zero evidence of hacking. He just gets mad when he flies his mutas over my marine rally and that set him off in the mindset that I was hacking. He then proceeds to rage when I win, but I definately do not play any sort of spectacular.. actually I was embarrassed how poorly I played when I watched this.

6:25: Uh...This is only evidence of me trying out the worst timing I ever thought up and then backing down when I realized how stupid it was when I was on his side of the map, then dying at the watch tower. This is great evidence.. of me being very bad... not a hacker, Lol.

13:01: Very obvious maphack here? I'm macroing in my base at this exact minute/second. And later when his mutas fly over my marines, I've been rallying there the WHOLE FUCKING GAME. This is evidence of an angry kid who lost and decided to vent his frustration by reporting me as a hacker.

The game vs Fede also has zero evidence. I'm honestly confused after re-watching this replays.. lol.. I basically went mech TvP and played a very passive macro style with a ridiculous army composition and won lol.

8:29 : I scout multiple locations with this banshee. If I flew straight to his probe building pylon, maybe this could be evidence but thats not the case. I check a few common spots, find it, then go straight for the watchtower as I should for map control...

10:03: Suspicious scan? Check my player cam. I hover over my thor/bunker and see an obs staring back at me and immediately scan it... silly accusation.

11:31: Coincidental at best. I continually consider poking with my banshees into the fog of war but decide to hold back onto the watch tower, probably because my mechanics at this time were absolute shit and I was macroing instead. I had just killed a stalker, of course I am anticipating more to come to try to get the watchtower, the toss is in the dark I killed his forward observer... He NEEDS his watch tower. If nothing else, my cloak being late as shit should show that I wasn't exactly aware when or how many were coming for me..

14:16: Any possible chance they get they claim I am hacking. I clearly sent out all of my useless unupgraded marines to get some extra scouting in. They check multiple places again, and find this pylon. OMG HES HACKING. Come on, guys. At this point of the game, all those marines can do is scout for me.

15:33: This does look suspicious, but is merely coincidental. If I was looking at the pylon/zealots, wouldn't I be more directly on it? I was looking at the base. You can see on player cam I have my CCs selected here and my first thought was probably to lift one from there and place it down on my next base but decided instead to find the closest one and not choose randomly between a list of like 8 orbitals.

The fact that I "didnt scout" the protoss means nothing when 1. I am doing a bullshit strategy I assure you I've never done before, and never done again. 2. I'm Mech. All I do is build MY deathball and A-move whatever army you created. What he did was completely unimportant to me in this game considering my build. 3. I did scout what I needed to scout. I didn't scout his tech, but i continually tried to keep control of watch towers, I continually check for pylons on my map and I use scvs/marines to scout additional bases and key information that I needed to know.

The game vs AlexChan is the most suspicious but only because the viewer has no idea of the history between me and this player or the time in starcraft. Daybreak is a 2 player map and it was common at this time especially to see zergs go for the early pools accompanied with drones all in. It beat me far too many times than I care to admit. I started to wall off very quick on 2 player maps. Regardless, me walling on a map "blindly" vs a zerg who goes early pool isn't enough to label me a hacker. The most suspicious thing was blindly pulling the scvs and I don't know why I did that. All I can say is I probably expected it from this player, and overreacted.

EDIT: I hope this is what some of you were looking for in my earlier posts. I didn't want to spend this much time proving my innocence but I guess I've been in some ways forced to.


I highly doubt you remember clearly those games and what you were thinking at that moment, that is from a year ago... why now of all time do the defense. Btw, is that even your "Terran" account, the name is quite common and this account has not had activity for a long time on it.


EDIT: After re-watching the replays, my opinion remains unchanged, you randomly put your vision on the map, at unscouted place, for no reason, where the ennemy army is standing (last half a second each time)...Your defense is laughable imo.
MurDeRsc2
Profile Joined May 2010
133 Posts
May 12 2013 04:17 GMT
#5826
Removed my posts because you listed my account and character code but the linked account is different and the player in the game has different hotkeys...
ZweiGaming
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada348 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 04:20:36
May 12 2013 04:17 GMT
#5827
On May 12 2013 13:17 MurDeRsc2 wrote:
Removed my posts because you listed my account and character code but the linked account is different and the player in the game has different hotkeys...


Expected you'd say that, you described the games just as if you remembered them, which you obviously didn't in the first place since they are from a year ago. Now you just realised this isn't your account because I mentionned "Terran" is a common name. Make up your mind, either way, the Terran listed IS a maphacker and the account was most likely banned for it and has been inactive for months.
MurDeRsc2
Profile Joined May 2010
133 Posts
May 12 2013 04:22 GMT
#5828
Not my account.. Like I said, I assumed it was me in the replays because it was my name and code listed in the thread. That's my mistake, I had never actually thought to check the hotkeys...
ZweiGaming
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada348 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 04:25:20
May 12 2013 04:24 GMT
#5829
On May 12 2013 13:22 MurDeRsc2 wrote:
Not my account.. Like I said, I assumed it was me in the replays because it was my name and code listed in the thread. That's my mistake, I had never actually thought to check the hotkeys...


You described earlier how and why you did those actions in the game... now what. I won't be replying anymore but let me say this just seem like a joke to me.

Here's an example
6:25: Uh...This is only evidence of me trying out the worst timing I ever thought up and then backing down when I realized how stupid it was when I was on his side of the map, then dying at the watch tower. This is great evidence.. of me being very bad... not a hacker, Lol.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
May 12 2013 05:17 GMT
#5830
On May 12 2013 13:24 ZweiGaming wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2013 13:22 MurDeRsc2 wrote:
Not my account.. Like I said, I assumed it was me in the replays because it was my name and code listed in the thread. That's my mistake, I had never actually thought to check the hotkeys...


You described earlier how and why you did those actions in the game... now what. I won't be replying anymore but let me say this just seem like a joke to me.

Here's an example
Show nested quote +
6:25: Uh...This is only evidence of me trying out the worst timing I ever thought up and then backing down when I realized how stupid it was when I was on his side of the map, then dying at the watch tower. This is great evidence.. of me being very bad... not a hacker, Lol.

Lol ok wtf, so it's not you but it is you? I'm so lost now haha.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
May 12 2013 07:43 GMT
#5831
The plot thickens.
Nyast
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium554 Posts
May 12 2013 11:23 GMT
#5832
Well, wow. Puts into perspective your first posts a few pages ago. Calling people idiots and criticizing their work, oh the irony.
WorldEater
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom24 Posts
May 12 2013 13:45 GMT
#5833
Just got dropped from a game, was streaming at the time. No loss has been reported as of five minutes? Anyone shed some light on what just happened here?
Never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you, with experience.
oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
May 12 2013 14:34 GMT
#5834
On May 12 2013 22:45 WorldEater wrote:
Just got dropped from a game, was streaming at the time. No loss has been reported as of five minutes? Anyone shed some light on what just happened here?

sometimes bnet crashes and doesn't count a match result for either player
a drop hack on the other hand causes a tie to appear
Creator of sc2unmasked.com
WorldEater
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom24 Posts
May 12 2013 14:51 GMT
#5835
On May 12 2013 23:34 oOOoOphidian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2013 22:45 WorldEater wrote:
Just got dropped from a game, was streaming at the time. No loss has been reported as of five minutes? Anyone shed some light on what just happened here?

sometimes bnet crashes and doesn't count a match result for either player
a drop hack on the other hand causes a tie to appear


Arite cheers.
Never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you, with experience.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
May 12 2013 14:56 GMT
#5836
On May 12 2013 13:17 MurDeRsc2 wrote:
Removed my posts because you listed my account and character code but the linked account is different and the player in the game has different hotkeys...



guys like that make that thread feel so lively.
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
May 12 2013 15:08 GMT
#5837
On May 12 2013 13:22 MurDeRsc2 wrote:
Not my account.. Like I said, I assumed it was me in the replays because it was my name and code listed in the thread. That's my mistake, I had never actually thought to check the hotkeys...


there's no code listed on the account Terran.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
ShamW0W
Profile Joined March 2010
160 Posts
May 12 2013 21:44 GMT
#5838
Name: Lacrima
Server: NA
League: Masters
Replay: http://drop.sc/334065

I could tell something fishy was going on, thought it was the Zerg but ended up being the Protoss player in this 2v2 (I don't really take 2v2 serious but I hate cheaters ). Blatant stuff, it's obvious 29 seconds in after watching the replay but here you go:

0:29 - He watches my teammate's scv leave base through the fog.
3:39 - Watches SCV through fog
4:21 - Watches reaper through fog
4:27 - Watches Stargate construction through fog
4:30 - Blindly moves to intercept Reaper

I'd take more notes but this is so blatant that there shouldn't be a need.



Half-Man Half-Amazing
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
May 12 2013 22:11 GMT
#5839
On May 13 2013 06:44 ShamW0W wrote:
Name: Lacrima
Server: NA
League: Masters
Replay: http://drop.sc/334065

I could tell something fishy was going on, thought it was the Zerg but ended up being the Protoss player in this 2v2 (I don't really take 2v2 serious but I hate cheaters ). Blatant stuff, it's obvious 29 seconds in after watching the replay but here you go:

0:29 - He watches my teammate's scv leave base through the fog.
3:39 - Watches SCV through fog
4:21 - Watches reaper through fog
4:27 - Watches Stargate construction through fog
4:30 - Blindly moves to intercept Reaper

I'd take more notes but this is so blatant that there shouldn't be a need.





Man that's 3 reports in 2 days. He's pretty active. I friended him on b.net to see how long it takes to get banned (if he even gets banned...). Hope Blizzard will be responsive with at least the most consistent offenders.
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
May 12 2013 22:27 GMT
#5840
Oh how I'm amused at how the most recent accusations at this list's validity played out.
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