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Darrkhan
Finland1236 Posts
On May 12 2012 02:45 Seldentar wrote: That actually is really impressive... I thought he was playing a random high masters player but Apocalypse is really good. I've seen Apocalypse take games off Thorzain so.. If i remember correct. Apocalypse has won Gumiho 3-0 and IMMvp 2-1. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On May 12 2012 05:00 Alpino wrote: http://sc2ranks.com/kr/1475901/IMNesTea I'm really looking forward to what you're gonna say now. Nestea never takes ladder serious. He used builds such as proxy hatch at MC third on Cloud Kingdom and slow push with spine crawlers and stuffs.... | ||
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Kilby
Finland1069 Posts
On May 12 2012 05:05 sjh wrote: I'm not sold on his efficiency. He had a ton of units cued up from the raxs and starports. I think that's definitely something that he could improve on based on the current SC2 pros. In general, pretty much all current SC2 pros seem to have quite a lot of unused resources at mid and lategame. (even before they get 200/200). | ||
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kakaman
United States1576 Posts
On May 12 2012 04:57 amazingxkcd wrote: Flash's League standings Hey, He's in Huk's and Jinro's league! I would do just about anything to see a Huk vs. Flash replay | ||
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Darrkhan
Finland1236 Posts
On May 12 2012 05:14 canikizu wrote: Nestea never takes ladder serious. He used builds such as proxy hatch at MC third on Cloud Kingdom and slow push with spine crawlers and stuffs.... Flash has as good winratio as HuK,MC,JookTo,GanZi,ForGG for example I think Flash is doing good. Edit: And as far as i know they ladder pretty seriously except MC maybe | ||
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Befree
695 Posts
He definitely has some practice ahead of him, though. He's good, but there were still lots of mistakes which if this were an average pro players stream, users would be spamming in chat over (with things like "omg use your energy on your orbital!!" "wow wasted stim" "move your cc!"). He certainly can't compete on a GSL level at the moment so let's not go to over the top with our praise, but he's sure made a lot of progress in little time considering he just started playing the game. I can't wait to see how much he improves by the end of the year. Also I'm kind of baffled by this BW vs SC2 pro talk. Aren't SC2 korean pros almost exclusively made up of BW pros, or at least amateurs? If they're almost all BW pros, what are we comparing them to exactly? | ||
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Moonling
United States987 Posts
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Garmer
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
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Kilby
Finland1069 Posts
On May 12 2012 05:14 canikizu wrote: Nestea never takes ladder serious. He used builds such as proxy hatch at MC third on Cloud Kingdom and slow push with spine crawlers and stuffs.... Yeah and guess in general you should not take ladder games seriously as a measure of how good some player is. As i've understood it most pro players just use ladder as a way to try out builds to see how well they go against random cheese and just test thing out. Tournament results are the true measure of how good someone is or isn't. | ||
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Snoodles
401 Posts
Flash has as good winratio as HuK,MC,JookTo,GanZi,ForGG for example I think Flash is doing good. Edit: And as far as i know they ladder pretty seriously except MC maybe Exactly. If he has that winrate using the non-optimal strats and not knowing the meta-game well, then he can only be successful from here. Same as in firebathero's videos. FBH only made zealots, archons and observers and won the game through constant pressure. These guys are going to do great things. | ||
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Garmer
1286 Posts
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
On May 12 2012 05:30 Snoodles wrote: Exactly. If he has that winrate using the non-optimal strats and not knowing the meta-game well, then he can only be successful from here. Same as in firebathero's videos. FBH only made zealots, archons and observers and won the game through constant pressure. These guys are going to do great things. ??? Stop teasing us. Post that vid!! | ||
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Clafou
Belgium921 Posts
On May 12 2012 05:34 Garmer wrote: FBH video? i want to see that!!! There's two replays of him on tl.net Nothing spectacular . | ||
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MegaFonzie
Australia1084 Posts
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On May 12 2012 01:45 Comeh wrote: "super fast" in terms of broodwar. His apm in broodwar usually floated around 350 apm, versus someone like Jaedong who had 400 apm typically. Its still really high (and higher than most foreigners) I don't think you can argue JD was faster than FlaSh using the line of thinking your using. APM doesn't equal speed or multitasking but it does correlate. For instance, Bisu was typically "only" in the low 300's and yet he was arguably the fastest pro gamer (possible exception: BaBy). The reason: redundancy. Bisu was usually 200-250 eapm depending on the game and MU, which is only like 20-25% redundancy. JD was usually high 300's or into the 400's but usually had 40-50% redundancy. FlaSh is interesting because he was definitely fast, especially when he wanted/needed to be. There would be games where he would be plugging along 350apm/180-200eapm and then all of a sudden decide he needed to do a bunch of shit and he would climb up to higher 300apm and OVER 300 EAPM at times. Bottom line, all of TBLS (except Stork) are really, really fast though Bisu is the best multitasker amongst them. | ||
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iAmBiGbiRd
Australia1029 Posts
On May 12 2012 04:17 HQuality wrote: Virus have 55%, Bomber have 62%, Maru have 51%. Nestea have 57% Dunno what to say more here I personally know people that were between 50-55% high masters on Kor last season and all of them were above 70% high GM on NA last season. I'm not saying that NA is hard or whatever but in comparison to KR i'm just saying that when you match top Code B/Code A/Code S every second game having anything over 50% is really fucking good. People who say otherwise have no idea about the KR ladder | ||
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RyF
Austria508 Posts
On May 12 2012 05:03 setzer wrote: As well as Naniwa, JYP and Puma if those are their real accounts. and he is already higher than jinro. i don't get it. this guy will be a monster in a few days ahh months... | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
Really though, flash is known for liking to go for the lategame, he's probally had to be used to the early aggression which is apparently required in TvP nowadays. Take the balance whine with a grain of salt, the interview asked him about it and I doubt that there's alot of korean pros who actually think that the game is balanced (even in BW, players talking about balance would be pretty normal, though the balance in BW was determined by maps and not patches) Give it a rest, people. To those who has access to info regarding BW players going sc2, is there any kind of info on how many's going to try out for GSL, how many goes overseas, if there's any who's looking for foreign teams and the internal rankings, all seem more interesting than Flash's brief balance whine. Do note, that Flash has said that if he could've changed his race in BW, he would've chosen zerg in hindsight since they "had good advantage vs toss, and didnt do so bad vs terran either". | ||
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peekn
United States1152 Posts
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