• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:54
CEST 00:54
KST 07:54
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over2New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!36Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week6Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly WORTEX 2026 - Hungarian SC2 Finals Budapest
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 541 Binary Choice The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion XUN appreciation thread BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Pros React To: Calm's Big Brain Play Vs Mini New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!
Tourneys
BSL LAN Party - Kraków 29-30 August - OPEN SIGNUPS [ASL22] Ro24 Group F Escore Tournament - Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Game Theory for Starcraft Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Browser Invoker Combo Trainer & Speedrun Simulator Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Regacy Esports: The Bh…
regacyesports
Violent Games and Crime Rate…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5786 users

Wolf feedback - Page 3

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 22 23 24 Next All
taldarimAltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
973 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-09 12:46:54
May 09 2012 12:44 GMT
#41
wow a lot of people mute the streams, can't imagine doing that it'd be so weird. surely not as bad as kellymilkies right? I don't actually get it, if you dislike what he says isn't easier to just disregard his words (or take it with a pinch of salt) than to mute the stream?

On wolf, I think he's good, let casters do what they want, it's actually all a matter of phrasing he may seem harsh but that his word choice, it's not something i would nit pick on. Him and khaldor are funny, as long as they are funny, keep the 1-5 mins of the game interesting w filler or trivia, and don't give misinformation (ie concussive adding extra damage) I dont mean calling battles wrong, then im totally fine.

I met wolf and moletrap last year in korea during a break and asked them for pictures, i could clearly sense that they were rushing as they had to go bak to casting but they did it anyway, they're passionate. Travelling all the way and living in another country, I don't think it's very fair to nitpick/feel entitled/bash casters
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
May 09 2012 12:46 GMT
#42
On May 09 2012 21:25 DontGiveUp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 21:11 Dosey wrote:
On May 09 2012 21:07 Freud wrote:
Why should caster not criticise players builds/strats/micro/macro?? I think its pretty boring to listen to casters who have teen-crushes on every single player. In other sports, commentators commentate on players performance, be it good OR bad.

I would rage kill my TV if the commentators for the upcoming football euro championships, praises every single player every time they pass the ball...


Allow me to show you the difference.

"Oh no, he missed a golden opportunity! Ronaldo was wide open!" - Points out the mistake but doesn't condemn what he did.

"I don't know why he passed it there, Ronaldo was wide open. That was poorly executed." Questions the decision while criticizing the player.


To make a better analogy: the player with the ball manages to score, while Ronaldo was in offside position.

Not only is he overly critical, he is often wrong in his calls. This is a strategy game, it`s not as simple as seeing what player is open. You have to give the benefit of doubt to a Pro`s decision - and if later it is wrong, it`s OK to point out.

I`d rather see him saying "that`s not a usual choice, let`s see how that plays out" than "WOW, I can`t believe he is doing that! He really should be doing this other thing!". Unless the caster is clearly a better strategist than the players (i.e. another Pro casting), he shouldn`t be making these calls because he will be wrong a lot of times.

I know some people say things like "casters do that to create drama and excitement" but, in truth, the only excitement is waiting to see how wrong the caster is. There are other ways to convey emotion or a story line.

Other than that, Wolf is really good, he should just work on being more humble with his calls.


Totally agree.
EdenPLusDucky
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
571 Posts
May 09 2012 12:49 GMT
#43
Wolf is really good. He isn't afraid to criticise the players and rule out their flaws. Definitely one of the best analytical casters out there, him and Artosis together are probably the best casting duo ever.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
May 09 2012 12:53 GMT
#44
On May 09 2012 21:30 Hollow wrote:
I'm not a fan of many casters, and Wolf does have a way of being annoying because he repeats the same affirmations all the time, e.g. "You are exactly right!" and "Indeed, it is so." Just a lot of useless stuff to try to pick up from something that was said and I can't stand that when it happens too often. His knowledge of the game is fairly poor, but the rest is decent. I wouldn't go as far as muting him.


There's not a single caster that doesn't do this to some extent. Not a single one.
TheBoat
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway23 Posts
May 09 2012 12:57 GMT
#45
People muting the stream because of Wolf got to be pretty damn ignorant and sensentional oriented when it comes to casting. I mean holy shit, Wolf is by far one of the leading casters out there.
Pair him up with Artosis and you get spammed with knowledge bombs all over the place, which is mostly what im looking for when im watching a cast.
He shines when there is a protoss in the game, he manages to teach me something awesome every damn time.

WOLF 4 PREZ
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
May 09 2012 12:58 GMT
#46
I really like wolf in general, but I would agree that he can get a bit too negative. It's not caster bashing, its constructive criticism. Sometimes you just have to let the players make mistakes and cast the game that you've got, rather than talking about the game that you want to see. Wolf and Khaldor when together seem to fall into the trap of spending too much time criticising and not just enjoying the match for what it is. I still like them casting together alot though!
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
lahara
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany140 Posts
May 09 2012 13:01 GMT
#47
personally i would rank above moletrap ( by quite a wide margin actually) and beneath artosis. he not bad but not the best either
having an argument on the internt is like competing in the paralympics, even if u win ure still retarded
CluEleSs_UK
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom583 Posts
May 09 2012 13:03 GMT
#48
He's been my favourite caster since he started! He's got a great sense of humour, pretty good insight into the game, and a great laugh.
I think his solo casting is unparalleled (does anybody remember the time he did Code S solo for a few days? that was sick!).
I guess the only critical points I could make is that he sometimes repeats things his co-caster has said, and that his knowledge of the scene doesn't seem to be as hot as Khaldor's (nobody's is though, but perhaps it's something to aim for!)

More time at Artosis' house, and he could be joint best analytical caster in the world.
"If it turns out he is leaving the ESL to focus on cooking crystal meth I'll agree that it is somewhat disgraceful, but I'll hold off judgement until then."
Skiblet
Profile Joined August 2011
South Africa206 Posts
May 09 2012 13:04 GMT
#49
Hes a good caster, pretty easy to listen to, good knowledge of the game but like the OP said he shouldn't bash players builds too much. He can say something like 'opening cloaked banshee may of been better in this instance' but not outright say the player is wrong.
"Just fucking kill 'em" Day[9]
bone577
Profile Joined December 2005
Australia65 Posts
May 09 2012 13:07 GMT
#50
What a fucking boring and stupid world it would be if casters weren't allowed to criticize a players play. I suppose it would quell OP's autism if the casters just sat there commenting on how they can't make any comments since they aren't as good at the game as the people they are meant to be commenting about.

User was warned for this post
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
May 09 2012 13:12 GMT
#51
I didn't always like his casting, but that changed recently since I got deeper into the game and I think Wolf brings a pretty good mixture of casual, play by play commentary and good insight. I think there's a lot of casters who don't understand the game too well or at least don't do the best job showing it but Wolf does it well without being too serious the entire time.
Artosis is #1 still.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Sorkoas
Profile Joined May 2010
549 Posts
May 09 2012 13:12 GMT
#52
I took a break from SC2 for half a year and for me I noticed right away that Wolf has improved a lot as well as gained a lot of confidence. Overall I think he's a great caster and among the top we got out there and sure deserves his job at GomTV. I loved his casting with Artosis the other week and enjoyed it way more than Artosis with Khaldor, as the analytical and objective person I am.

However I think it's this confidence that sometimes makes him jump to conclusions of the outcomes of games and make him miss his analyzes too often or at least make you notice them more. I realize confidence in their speech and ability to analyze the games for casters is a big thing and takes long time for people to get used to.

The feedback I can give on this is to try be more relaxed and never jump to conclusions during intense moments in a match. Instead go back to just announcing what's going on and wait with analyzing the details of the encounter and match until things have settled down and more time has been spent on thinking through what just happened.
Ripebananaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada129 Posts
May 09 2012 13:21 GMT
#53
On May 09 2012 22:07 bone577 wrote:
What a fucking boring and stupid world it would be if casters weren't allowed to criticize a players play. I suppose it would quell OP's autism if the casters just sat there commenting on how they can't make any comments since they aren't as good at the game as the people they are meant to be commenting about.

Simmer down there champ.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-09 13:26:29
May 09 2012 13:26 GMT
#54
I personally love wolfs casting, casters are allowed to stumble on some words and sometimes miss a few things, theres no caster that does everything perfectly. Wolf is another caster with a unqiue way of casting and a great personality.
but just my opinion
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
DeadBull
Profile Joined August 2011
421 Posts
May 09 2012 13:27 GMT
#55
i dont like that he is so negative about so many players.
it almost feels rude.
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
May 09 2012 13:36 GMT
#56
He shouldnt be critisizing every move made by any profesional player, that is miles away in knowledge about every single parcel of the game than he is.
But it is just his personality, I remember his "I will go on stream and bash on Naniwa" moment after the probe rush. He also seemed to know better than GomTV on what to do with the situation.
Just the kind of dude who "knows better" than everyone else and is.... forward... to say it.

All said, I dont mute the stream because I HARDLY ever mute a stream because of commentators.
Jewbacca
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia36 Posts
May 09 2012 13:37 GMT
#57
Wolf is awesome. He was instantly likeable and he's improved a ton since he started. Keep doing what you're doing Mr Wolf... the one thing I agree with that I read on this thread is sometimes you do jump to conclusions about whats going to happen in a battle too quickly and get wrong... (doesn't everyone!)... perhaps be a bit more slow to jump to conclusions

That's the one area I think you can most improve - apart from that, all's good!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46310 Posts
May 09 2012 13:38 GMT
#58
Personally, I think Wolf has a good understanding of the game (not Artosis or Day[9] level, but clearly able to be a GSL caster), and the only thing that kills me is his voice.

I find it to be one of the dullest voices that I've heard from a caster, which makes any form of hype or joking or any passion just... boring to me.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
May 09 2012 13:39 GMT
#59
On May 09 2012 22:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I find it to be one of the dullest voices that I've heard from a caster, which makes any form of hype or joking or any passion just... boring to me.


I remember him casting with DOA, 2 calm voices together that made me fall asleep xD
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
May 09 2012 13:40 GMT
#60
A poll in the OP so we can get a general consensus would be nice? Similar to almost every other caster feedback thread...
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 22 23 24 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 12h 7m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 152
ProTech23
EnDerr 2
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 546
910 17
ajuk12(nOOB) 7
Dota 2
syndereN506
monkeys_forever163
NeuroSwarm136
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0178
Mew2King131
PPMD33
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby2720
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi1795
XaKoH 182
PiGStarcraft128
ROOTCatZ45
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV73
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta52
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21992
Other Games
• imaqtpie1506
• Scarra955
• Shiphtur195
Upcoming Events
GSL
12h 7m
OSC
14h 7m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 1h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 12h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
OSC
5 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 2026 LAN: Kraków
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
RSL Revival: Season 6
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.