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wow a lot of people mute the streams, can't imagine doing that it'd be so weird. surely not as bad as kellymilkies right? I don't actually get it, if you dislike what he says isn't easier to just disregard his words (or take it with a pinch of salt) than to mute the stream?
On wolf, I think he's good, let casters do what they want, it's actually all a matter of phrasing he may seem harsh but that his word choice, it's not something i would nit pick on. Him and khaldor are funny, as long as they are funny, keep the 1-5 mins of the game interesting w filler or trivia, and don't give misinformation (ie concussive adding extra damage) I dont mean calling battles wrong, then im totally fine.
I met wolf and moletrap last year in korea during a break and asked them for pictures, i could clearly sense that they were rushing as they had to go bak to casting but they did it anyway, they're passionate. Travelling all the way and living in another country, I don't think it's very fair to nitpick/feel entitled/bash casters
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On May 09 2012 21:25 DontGiveUp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 21:11 Dosey wrote:On May 09 2012 21:07 Freud wrote:
Why should caster not criticise players builds/strats/micro/macro?? I think its pretty boring to listen to casters who have teen-crushes on every single player. In other sports, commentators commentate on players performance, be it good OR bad.
I would rage kill my TV if the commentators for the upcoming football euro championships, praises every single player every time they pass the ball... Allow me to show you the difference. "Oh no, he missed a golden opportunity! Ronaldo was wide open!" - Points out the mistake but doesn't condemn what he did. "I don't know why he passed it there, Ronaldo was wide open. That was poorly executed." Questions the decision while criticizing the player. To make a better analogy: the player with the ball manages to score, while Ronaldo was in offside position. Not only is he overly critical, he is often wrong in his calls. This is a strategy game, it`s not as simple as seeing what player is open. You have to give the benefit of doubt to a Pro`s decision - and if later it is wrong, it`s OK to point out. I`d rather see him saying "that`s not a usual choice, let`s see how that plays out" than "WOW, I can`t believe he is doing that! He really should be doing this other thing!". Unless the caster is clearly a better strategist than the players (i.e. another Pro casting), he shouldn`t be making these calls because he will be wrong a lot of times. I know some people say things like "casters do that to create drama and excitement" but, in truth, the only excitement is waiting to see how wrong the caster is. There are other ways to convey emotion or a story line. Other than that, Wolf is really good, he should just work on being more humble with his calls.
Totally agree.
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Wolf is really good. He isn't afraid to criticise the players and rule out their flaws. Definitely one of the best analytical casters out there, him and Artosis together are probably the best casting duo ever.
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On May 09 2012 21:30 Hollow wrote:
I'm not a fan of many casters, and Wolf does have a way of being annoying because he repeats the same affirmations all the time, e.g. "You are exactly right!" and "Indeed, it is so." Just a lot of useless stuff to try to pick up from something that was said and I can't stand that when it happens too often. His knowledge of the game is fairly poor, but the rest is decent. I wouldn't go as far as muting him.
There's not a single caster that doesn't do this to some extent. Not a single one.
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People muting the stream because of Wolf got to be pretty damn ignorant and sensentional oriented when it comes to casting. I mean holy shit, Wolf is by far one of the leading casters out there.
Pair him up with Artosis and you get spammed with knowledge bombs all over the place, which is mostly what im looking for when im watching a cast.
He shines when there is a protoss in the game, he manages to teach me something awesome every damn time.
WOLF 4 PREZ
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
I really like wolf in general, but I would agree that he can get a bit too negative. It's not caster bashing, its constructive criticism. Sometimes you just have to let the players make mistakes and cast the game that you've got, rather than talking about the game that you want to see. Wolf and Khaldor when together seem to fall into the trap of spending too much time criticising and not just enjoying the match for what it is. I still like them casting together alot though!
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personally i would rank above moletrap ( by quite a wide margin actually) and beneath artosis. he not bad but not the best either
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He's been my favourite caster since he started! He's got a great sense of humour, pretty good insight into the game, and a great laugh.
I think his solo casting is unparalleled (does anybody remember the time he did Code S solo for a few days? that was sick!).
I guess the only critical points I could make is that he sometimes repeats things his co-caster has said, and that his knowledge of the scene doesn't seem to be as hot as Khaldor's (nobody's is though, but perhaps it's something to aim for!)
More time at Artosis' house, and he could be joint best analytical caster in the world.
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Hes a good caster, pretty easy to listen to, good knowledge of the game but like the OP said he shouldn't bash players builds too much. He can say something like 'opening cloaked banshee may of been better in this instance' but not outright say the player is wrong.
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What a fucking boring and stupid world it would be if casters weren't allowed to criticize a players play. I suppose it would quell OP's autism if the casters just sat there commenting on how they can't make any comments since they aren't as good at the game as the people they are meant to be commenting about.
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Austria24422 Posts
I didn't always like his casting, but that changed recently since I got deeper into the game and I think Wolf brings a pretty good mixture of casual, play by play commentary and good insight. I think there's a lot of casters who don't understand the game too well or at least don't do the best job showing it but Wolf does it well without being too serious the entire time.
Artosis is #1 still.
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I took a break from SC2 for half a year and for me I noticed right away that Wolf has improved a lot as well as gained a lot of confidence. Overall I think he's a great caster and among the top we got out there and sure deserves his job at GomTV. I loved his casting with Artosis the other week and enjoyed it way more than Artosis with Khaldor, as the analytical and objective person I am.
However I think it's this confidence that sometimes makes him jump to conclusions of the outcomes of games and make him miss his analyzes too often or at least make you notice them more. I realize confidence in their speech and ability to analyze the games for casters is a big thing and takes long time for people to get used to.
The feedback I can give on this is to try be more relaxed and never jump to conclusions during intense moments in a match. Instead go back to just announcing what's going on and wait with analyzing the details of the encounter and match until things have settled down and more time has been spent on thinking through what just happened.
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On May 09 2012 22:07 bone577 wrote:
What a fucking boring and stupid world it would be if casters weren't allowed to criticize a players play. I suppose it would quell OP's autism if the casters just sat there commenting on how they can't make any comments since they aren't as good at the game as the people they are meant to be commenting about.
Simmer down there champ.
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I personally love wolfs casting, casters are allowed to stumble on some words and sometimes miss a few things, theres no caster that does everything perfectly. Wolf is another caster with a unqiue way of casting and a great personality.
but just my opinion
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i dont like that he is so negative about so many players.
it almost feels rude.
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He shouldnt be critisizing every move made by any profesional player, that is miles away in knowledge about every single parcel of the game than he is.
But it is just his personality, I remember his "I will go on stream and bash on Naniwa" moment after the probe rush. He also seemed to know better than GomTV on what to do with the situation.
Just the kind of dude who "knows better" than everyone else and is.... forward... to say it.
All said, I dont mute the stream because I HARDLY ever mute a stream because of commentators.
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Wolf is awesome. He was instantly likeable and he's improved a ton since he started. Keep doing what you're doing Mr Wolf... the one thing I agree with that I read on this thread is sometimes you do jump to conclusions about whats going to happen in a battle too quickly and get wrong... (doesn't everyone!)... perhaps be a bit more slow to jump to conclusions 
That's the one area I think you can most improve - apart from that, all's good!
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Personally, I think Wolf has a good understanding of the game (not Artosis or Day[9] level, but clearly able to be a GSL caster), and the only thing that kills me is his voice.
I find it to be one of the dullest voices that I've heard from a caster, which makes any form of hype or joking or any passion just... boring to me.
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On May 09 2012 22:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I find it to be one of the dullest voices that I've heard from a caster, which makes any form of hype or joking or any passion just... boring to me.
I remember him casting with DOA, 2 calm voices together that made me fall asleep xD
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A poll in the OP so we can get a general consensus would be nice? Similar to almost every other caster feedback thread...
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