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On June 28 2012 21:29 AlgeriaT wrote:
I love Wolf's casting - except for when he comes out as blatantly arrogant. Many other casters are also starting to do it more and more, for instance Kevin and Doa during the recent EG vs MVP round of IPL TAC3, there's a lot of "I really don't like this choice from him", "I really don't like this and that".
The point is that the casters should not be condescending or sound like they think they could do it better than the pros they're casting. The only time that outright dismissing a player's choices and sounding like you could have done it better doesn't make me cringe is when current or ex top level players are doing the casting, like Tastosis, iNcontroL, IdrA, DeMusliM etc.
I'd like to second this post. I think DJWheat is exhibit A in how to contribute to casting a game and keeping it exciting while not predicting a game, generically evaluating a game, and he does it without relying on too much background analytical knowledge. When evaluating a position, try to be specific about what is an advantage or a disadvantage, rather than "X player is going to lose" or "Y player is far behind". We watch the games because we love the players and want to see the genius in their play, so make the games exciting for us, and try not to inject what you predict will happen (even if you ARE right). It really guts the fun out of watching a game when a caster is talking down the gameplay of a player (considering how competitive code S and even A is). Wolf has been coming off as either whiny or arrogant when a player stats to build a disadvantage, and it detracts from enjoying how things play out. I think this deserves to be on the feedback thread because these are all correctable issues, and I think they have been more and more of a problem in recent seasons of the GSL. Originally Wolf stuck to analyzing what he saw in front of him, and going off the play-by-play, and the quality of the cast was far better.
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It seems like a large part of Wolf's casting relies on predicting what either player is going to do (XYZ build, Win/Lose, etc.) That has a time and a place in any cast but it shouldn't dominate the cast. It ends up sounding like, "I want you to know that I know stuff about this game". The sentence in quotes also seems responsible for his defending calls he makes that are incorrect as well. When Tasteless or Artosis call a build wrong, they laugh it off and it's over. Wolf dwells on it and does everything he can to convince the viewer that he is smart after all, even though he got something wrong. It's annoying. The point of casting sc2 games for GomTV isn't to show that you know your stuff, it's to educate and entertain the viewers. I feel neither educated nor entertained while im listening to wolf say, "oh, well I got the build wrong because..." or, "He has lost this game. He needs to GG".
I won't even get into what he said about how Bomber was embarrassing himself. The game itself dragged on a little. Yes. It's true. But complaining about it for 10 minutes isn't going to make me feel any better about it. Saying bomber is embarrassing himself is just awful given the caliber of player he is and the entertaining game he showed us up to that point.
Wolf, your job first and foremost as a caster for GomTV is to make GomTV look good. It's to make everything that happens in the GSL and GSTL wonderful, fantastic, and enjoyable. It's beyond your abilities sometimes when games are bad. I get that. But don't make the problem worse by bitching about it. Try to make it better. How you do that is up to you and it is what will define what makes you an entertaining caster.
I guess what I think of you as a caster is as follows: When you are casting a good game, you are entertaining and educational. I enjoy your casts most of the time during good games when they aren't being bogged down by too many predictions and excuses for getting a prediction wrong. When you are casting a bad game, you are actually the most difficult caster to enjoy for the reasons I listed above.
It should go without saying that I don't dislike you and take what I've said as criticism from an anonymous netizen but hopefully this was helpful.
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Main complaint for Wolf is he gets SUPER mad when the game drags out even when there's virtually no chance left. I assume Fantasy ain't on his list of players to watch.
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I find his consistently wrong calls really funny for some reason, but I can see why others would get annoyed by them 
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I used to think he was just okay.. but then i saw him cast a game with bomber vs freaky. Total joke. Bomber was staying in the game and couldn't beat freakys 30+ infestors. Then wolf was totally disrespectful. He went to kill a couple lings in his main and wolf says " yeah okay bomber killing those zerglings is going to win you the game".
He then went on to say Bomber's playing was an embarassment. TBH I think the only embarassing thing is the way wolf casts games. GG LOL. Nice call out bro.
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On July 01 2012 13:14 VictorJones wrote:
It seems like a large part of Wolf's casting relies on predicting what either player is going to do (XYZ build, Win/Lose, etc.) That has a time and a place in any cast but it shouldn't dominate the cast. It ends up sounding like, "I want you to know that I know stuff about this game". The sentence in quotes also seems responsible for his defending calls he makes that are incorrect as well. When Tasteless or Artosis call a build wrong, they laugh it off and it's over. Wolf dwells on it and does everything he can to convince the viewer that he is smart after all, even though he got something wrong. It's annoying. The point of casting sc2 games for GomTV isn't to show that you know your stuff, it's to educate and entertain the viewers. I feel neither educated nor entertained while im listening to wolf say, "oh, well I got the build wrong because..." or, "He has lost this game. He needs to GG".
I won't even get into what he said about how Bomber was embarrassing himself. The game itself dragged on a little. Yes. It's true. But complaining about it for 10 minutes isn't going to make me feel any better about it. Saying bomber is embarrassing himself is just awful given the caliber of player he is and the entertaining game he showed us up to that point.
Wolf, your job first and foremost as a caster for GomTV is to make GomTV look good. It's to make everything that happens in the GSL and GSTL wonderful, fantastic, and enjoyable. It's beyond your abilities sometimes when games are bad. I get that. But don't make the problem worse by bitching about it. Try to make it better. How you do that is up to you and it is what will define what makes you an entertaining caster.
+1 to all of this.
That said, Wolf is still in my top 3 casters (tastosis = 1 caster) and has been one of my favorites since he first started with GOM.
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His casting this week has blown me away. Amazing improvement. No more criticizing the players. Passionate, informative, funny, knowledgeable casting.
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He has gone from bad, to ok, to good. His solo casting is actually very good. His casting with Khaldor is good, but not as good as his solo casting.
He is definitely the caster that has improved the most.
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Wolf, if you read this: Please stop interrupting Khaldor. Its extremley bad mannered to not let a person finish his argument, especially when you just mirror the same argument. Its understandable once in a while, but when its 10 or so times to a teamleague match - its way too much. I understand you want to agree/prove you understand the game. Khaldor is already a guy that takes up much space/time, but as you are a duo you really need to work this out.
I often get the feeling Khaldor remains silent by virtue of professionalism, but is boiling on the inside.
Wrong predictions and dissing people for bad GG timings is understandable.
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On July 17 2012 20:53 Aphasie wrote:
Wolf, if you read this: Please stop interrupting Khaldor. Its extremley bad mannered to not let a person finish his argument, especially when you just mirror the same argument. Its understandable once in a while, but when its 10 or so times to a teamleague match - its way too much. I understand you want to agree/prove you understand the game. Khaldor is already a guy that takes up much space/time, but as you are a duo you really need to work this out.
I often get the feeling Khaldor remains silent by virtue of professionalism, but is boiling on the inside.
Wrong predictions and dissing people for bad GG timings is understandable.
I disagree with this. I often hear Khaldor interrupt Wolf more than vise-versa. Maybe it happens both ways, but I very rarely hear Wolf talk over Khaldor.
Wolf I love your casting, and you are one of the few casters that understands the game almost completely and can analyze every matchup.
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On July 17 2012 20:53 Aphasie wrote:
Wolf, if you read this: Please stop interrupting Khaldor. Its extremley bad mannered to not let a person finish his argument, especially when you just mirror the same argument. Its understandable once in a while, but when its 10 or so times to a teamleague match - its way too much. I understand you want to agree/prove you understand the game. Khaldor is already a guy that takes up much space/time, but as you are a duo you really need to work this out.
I often get the feeling Khaldor remains silent by virtue of professionalism, but is boiling on the inside.
Wrong predictions and dissing people for bad GG timings is understandable.
I'd say it's the other way around, sometimes Wolf can't get a word in, especially if a particular race is in the game.
Their chemistry is really improving though, and they're my favourite combination right now, easily overtaking Tastosis.
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I love how anytime he is live on air and tries to do math or to calculate what time the GSL airs in North America he always get's it wrong <3
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Tell the story about how Coca and Byun conspired over the Code S spot more. It's a great story.
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On July 20 2012 17:28 Nekovivie wrote:
Tell the story about how Coca and Byun conspired over the Code S spot more. It's a great story.
is this sarcasm? I'm curious cus I haven't been able to watch GSL much recently
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On July 20 2012 17:34 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 17:28 Nekovivie wrote:
Tell the story about how Coca and Byun conspired over the Code S spot more. It's a great story. is this sarcasm? I'm curious cus I haven't been able to watch GSL much recently
Yea it is, Wolf like many others keeps saying the whole Byun - Coca mess was because of a code A spot while that wasn't on the line.
He is basically misinforming the viewers.
And Wolf, can you please please stop talking about hair, it is getting very disturbing after a while.
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Wolf, you've become one of my top 3 fav casters. A few nights back this line made me burst out laughing for 2 minutes. "what is he thinking? I don't want to be over critical, but he's not in his right mind. He needs to warp in the stalkers next to the cannon. "
Was hilarious because of how true that statement was. He was obviously playing on nerves. Kept warping in 4 stalkers right into mutas.
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On July 20 2012 18:07 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 17:34 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 20 2012 17:28 Nekovivie wrote:
Tell the story about how Coca and Byun conspired over the Code S spot more. It's a great story. is this sarcasm? I'm curious cus I haven't been able to watch GSL much recently Yea it is, Wolf like many others keeps saying the whole Byun - Coca mess was because of a code A spot while that wasn't on the line. He is basically misinforming the viewers. And Wolf, can you please please stop talking about hair, it is getting very disturbing after a while.
Code A spot was the prize of the tournament they were competing in (if the winner wasn't already in the GSL). Wolf mixed up and thought I was Coca who wanted the spot but in fact it was Byun, and Coca was already in Code S 
No worries though, apparently no one else seems to remember what happened
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On June 29 2012 07:47 masterchip27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 21:29 AlgeriaT wrote:
I love Wolf's casting - except for when he comes out as blatantly arrogant. Many other casters are also starting to do it more and more, for instance Kevin and Doa during the recent EG vs MVP round of IPL TAC3, there's a lot of "I really don't like this choice from him", "I really don't like this and that".
The point is that the casters should not be condescending or sound like they think they could do it better than the pros they're casting. The only time that outright dismissing a player's choices and sounding like you could have done it better doesn't make me cringe is when current or ex top level players are doing the casting, like Tastosis, iNcontroL, IdrA, DeMusliM etc. I'd like to second this post. I think DJWheat is exhibit A in how to contribute to casting a game and keeping it exciting while not predicting a game, generically evaluating a game, and he does it without relying on too much background analytical knowledge. When evaluating a position, try to be specific about what is an advantage or a disadvantage, rather than "X player is going to lose" or "Y player is far behind". We watch the games because we love the players and want to see the genius in their play, so make the games exciting for us, and try not to inject what you predict will happen (even if you ARE right). It really guts the fun out of watching a game when a caster is talking down the gameplay of a player (considering how competitive code S and even A is). Wolf has been coming off as either whiny or arrogant when a player stats to build a disadvantage, and it detracts from enjoying how things play out. I think this deserves to be on the feedback thread because these are all correctable issues, and I think they have been more and more of a problem in recent seasons of the GSL. Originally Wolf stuck to analyzing what he saw in front of him, and going off the play-by-play, and the quality of the cast was far better.
There's a difference between being a caster and being a commentator.
DJwheat is a caster. Wolf is more of a commentator.
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On July 20 2012 18:16 Chriscras wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 18:07 Assirra wrote:On July 20 2012 17:34 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 20 2012 17:28 Nekovivie wrote:
Tell the story about how Coca and Byun conspired over the Code S spot more. It's a great story. is this sarcasm? I'm curious cus I haven't been able to watch GSL much recently Yea it is, Wolf like many others keeps saying the whole Byun - Coca mess was because of a code A spot while that wasn't on the line. He is basically misinforming the viewers. And Wolf, can you please please stop talking about hair, it is getting very disturbing after a while. Code A spot was the prize of the tournament they were competing in (if the winner wasn't already in the GSL). Wolf mixed up and thought I was Coca who wanted the spot but in fact it was Byun, and Coca was already in Code S No worries though, apparently no one else seems to remember what happened
Great, now i look like a hypocrite
So confusing since there are about 10version of this drama.
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How can anyone think he's good?
If you're getting paid to cast then you shouldn't be so socially awkward and make your flagship comments commenting on people's hair. It astounds me how he even casts.
If you know anything about the viewer-content business then you need to find someone with allure to replace him and someone who can be an armchair commander in an entertaining and non-condescending manner.
Tastosis has obviously set the bar with their charming and comical back and forths but this is just a disaster and if I want to imitate Wolf commenting on people's builds that he can't see through then I'll say " SCRAP IT AND GG THESE CASTS".
Its even more embarassing when they throw poor Tasteless to deal with it as well, god bless his soul.
* Every cast I know that has Wolf casting I just automatically don't even watch tbh.
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