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Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
April 25 2012 19:50 GMT
#101
I wish the best of luck to Stephano!
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
April 25 2012 19:51 GMT
#102
On April 26 2012 04:17 zefreak wrote:
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On April 26 2012 04:14 templar rage wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:45 opisska wrote:
Guys, I have a question. Liquipedia states that for code S "Ro32" finish you get $1,335 in earnings. But Ro32 is just "was in code S and lost". Does anyone know if it applies also to seeded players? That would be quite interesting financially The earning curve in code S is overall very strange - it starts quite high, but rises very slowly and then it explodes at the very top. So you get quite a nice money for just being there, but not much from getting to Ro16 for example.


I would imagine it does. Besides the fact they were seeded into the tournament, there is nothing different about them as a competitor once they're in. In fact, you could say that the top 8 from the previous season were also seeded in, and you can bet your ass they get paid. It doesn't matter how you get into the tournament. Once you do, you're entitled to whatever you win while competing.

Also, that's pretty much my opinion on the seed. I watch GSL because it's the tournament with the best players in the world. Ideally speaking, it's the top 32 players in the world. IMO, Stephano is in the top 32, so he should be there. I don't really care how players get there. If all these people stuck in Code A/B were as great as people seem to think, then they would have gotten there by now. I can appreciate that there's a lot of variance in Code B, but if you're Code S level, then you shouldn't have repeated problems trying to qualify (which most of these players who are stuck there for seasons on end apparently have).


.. you have no idea what you are talking about. Stephano has lost to code B players many times in the past. Polt was a code B player, and might be again very soon. I wouldn't place Stephano in the top 32 in the world, even if he is the best foreigner.


Aw, come on. You know who else loses to Code B players frequently? Yeah, right. Everyone.
Lordanubis
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom198 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 19:52:24
April 25 2012 19:52 GMT
#103
Great news, and absolutely well deserved. Stephano is by FAR the best foreigner around, and I really look forward to seeing him tear it up in Code S
"Hell hath no fury like a Shattered Star" - The Shattered Star
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 19:56:59
April 25 2012 19:52 GMT
#104
On April 26 2012 04:38 `Zapdos wrote:
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On April 26 2012 04:33 Apolo wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:05 StarVe wrote:
Hmm, GOM has repeatedly invited Stephano to Code S as far as I know. He just declined every single time. It's not really big news that they offer him a seed again, now, it's just to be expected, if you like it or not.

The interesting thing this time is simply that the's actually considering taking it, because he wants to go to Korea anyway.

Obviously it's also a marketing move, but that doesn't mean it isn't also based on his results.

I'm no advocate of Code S seeds, but it seems like GOM won't stop giving them out anytime soon, so I can live with their decision to give it to Stephano of all players.


Why is it a marketing move ? (marketing noob here)


Because people like me who don't normally buy gsl tickets will probably pay for that season just to watch stephano and naniwa in the tourny. (Gets more foreign fans to cough up the doe)


Yeah, and if OGN invited Bisu to OSL every time he failed to qualify, they would have gotten a lot more interest too. But they don't. Because you just don't do things like that as a serious league.

Compromising the integrity of the competition just to boost viewership makes GOM look cheap and untrustworthy. If they're willing to make exceptions like that, what else would they be willing to do when they decide they need more cash in the future?

First it started with 4 Code A spots that you could only get through MLG results. Now we already have two Code S spots and the up/down and Code A spots seem even easier to get - it doesn't even matter whether they go to foreigners who never even tried to compete in Korea or Koreans that just got knocked OUT of the competition they're being invited back in. Hell, if Bisu publicly declared he was going to switch to SC2, they'd probably invite him as well.

Show some freaking integrity, GOM.
Daok
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany97 Posts
April 25 2012 19:53 GMT
#105
On April 26 2012 03:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
He deserves a seed but I don't think he has a serious chance of winning Code S. Everybody in the current Ro8 could beat him imo.


And he could beat everyone in the Ro8
FecalTank
Profile Joined March 2012
United States70 Posts
April 25 2012 19:56 GMT
#106
Although I don't like him, I like to see more foreigners in GSL. I assume he'll do pretty well, given his exposure to Korean play.
"Why is it that one knows not what one will do in the future, nor what one thought of it back then?" | Goddamnit Oreki, it was right there.
Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
April 25 2012 19:56 GMT
#107
Well, if it is a marketing move, it's working on me. I'll definitely be buying the premium ticket if both Naniwa and Stephano are in there.
KillAudio
Profile Joined October 2010
1364 Posts
April 25 2012 19:56 GMT
#108
SC2 is so volatile, anyone could win the GSL. It's really hard to pick one specially when it reaches the ro8.
From a scale of sheth to idra, how mad are you?
HaXeR
Profile Joined December 2011
Czech Republic189 Posts
April 25 2012 19:57 GMT
#109
On April 26 2012 04:52 Talin wrote:
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On April 26 2012 04:38 `Zapdos wrote:
On April 26 2012 04:33 Apolo wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:05 StarVe wrote:
Hmm, GOM has repeatedly invited Stephano to Code S as far as I know. He just declined every single time. It's not really big news that they offer him a seed again, now, it's just to be expected, if you like it or not.

The interesting thing this time is simply that the's actually considering taking it, because he wants to go to Korea anyway.

Obviously it's also a marketing move, but that doesn't mean it isn't also based on his results.

I'm no advocate of Code S seeds, but it seems like GOM won't stop giving them out anytime soon, so I can live with their decision to give it to Stephano of all players.


Why is it a marketing move ? (marketing noob here)


Because people like me who don't normally buy gsl tickets will probably pay for that season just to watch stephano and naniwa in the tourny. (Gets more foreign fans to cough up the doe)


Yeah, and if OGN invited Bisu to OSL every time he failed to qualify, they would have gotten a lot more interest too. But they don't. Because you just don't do things like that as a serious league.

Compromising the integrity of the competition just to boost viewership makes GOM look cheap and untrustworthy. If they're willing to make exceptions like that, what else would they be willing to do when they decide they need more cash in the future?

First it started with 4 Code A spots. Now we already have two Code S spots and up/down and Code A spots seem even easier to get - it doesn't even matter whether they go to foreigners who never even tried to compete in Korea or Koreans that just got knocked OUT of the competition they're being invited back in. Hell, if Bisu publicly declared he was going to switch to SC2, they'd probably invite him as well.

Show some freaking integrity, GOM.

GSL is giving seeds or invites least out of all major starcraft tounaments. Go complain elsewhere.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
April 25 2012 19:58 GMT
#110
On April 26 2012 04:52 Lordanubis wrote:
Great news, and absolutely well deserved. Stephano is by FAR the best foreigner around, and I really look forward to seeing him tear it up in Code S

lmao, lets see if he could do better than Nani right now in code S r8.
Stephano's fans make me dislike him lol.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
April 25 2012 19:58 GMT
#111
Oh ya! This will be incredibly exciting to have him participate in the GSL.
NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 20:04:24
April 25 2012 19:59 GMT
#112
Usually, I'm not a fan of invites, but Stephano is the only foreign invite so far that feels right. Naniwa's invite was so wrong after getting 0-2 1st round every code A for 3 straight times. Huk got kicked out of Code A and invited back into up and down.

Stephano's invitation is the only legit on.
Tassadar/TheBest/Jjakji/Rain(terran)/Heart
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
April 25 2012 20:01 GMT
#113
On April 26 2012 04:57 HaXeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 04:52 Talin wrote:
On April 26 2012 04:38 `Zapdos wrote:
On April 26 2012 04:33 Apolo wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:05 StarVe wrote:
Hmm, GOM has repeatedly invited Stephano to Code S as far as I know. He just declined every single time. It's not really big news that they offer him a seed again, now, it's just to be expected, if you like it or not.

The interesting thing this time is simply that the's actually considering taking it, because he wants to go to Korea anyway.

Obviously it's also a marketing move, but that doesn't mean it isn't also based on his results.

I'm no advocate of Code S seeds, but it seems like GOM won't stop giving them out anytime soon, so I can live with their decision to give it to Stephano of all players.


Why is it a marketing move ? (marketing noob here)


Because people like me who don't normally buy gsl tickets will probably pay for that season just to watch stephano and naniwa in the tourny. (Gets more foreign fans to cough up the doe)


Yeah, and if OGN invited Bisu to OSL every time he failed to qualify, they would have gotten a lot more interest too. But they don't. Because you just don't do things like that as a serious league.

Compromising the integrity of the competition just to boost viewership makes GOM look cheap and untrustworthy. If they're willing to make exceptions like that, what else would they be willing to do when they decide they need more cash in the future?

First it started with 4 Code A spots. Now we already have two Code S spots and up/down and Code A spots seem even easier to get - it doesn't even matter whether they go to foreigners who never even tried to compete in Korea or Koreans that just got knocked OUT of the competition they're being invited back in. Hell, if Bisu publicly declared he was going to switch to SC2, they'd probably invite him as well.

Show some freaking integrity, GOM.

GSL is giving seeds or invites least out of all major starcraft tounaments.


That's really not much of an accomplishment when the standard should be giving out none at all.
Lordanubis
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom198 Posts
April 25 2012 20:04 GMT
#114
On April 26 2012 04:58 tuho12345 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 04:52 Lordanubis wrote:
Great news, and absolutely well deserved. Stephano is by FAR the best foreigner around, and I really look forward to seeing him tear it up in Code S

lmao, lets see if he could do better than Nani right now in code S r8.
Stephano's fans make me dislike him lol.

Not really a Stephano fanboy, just realistic. If you look at their records over the past several months, Stepahno's is far better than Naniwa's. The ELO alone shows that much, and if you watch the two play I'd say it's hard to deny that Stephano is the better player. I play Protoss myself, but I don't mind admitting that.

I'll back any foreigner that gets to Code S at the end of the day. Right now though, Stephano is the one I'd say realistically has the best chance to get the farthest. Naniwa has done very well to get so far this season, and I'm happy for him. Could you really say realistically he's one of the top 8 players in the world though? I'm not sure.

Not sure I could completely say that about Stephano either, mind you. But Stephano would certainly be higher up on that list than Naniwa for me.
"Hell hath no fury like a Shattered Star" - The Shattered Star
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
April 25 2012 20:05 GMT
#115
On April 26 2012 04:52 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 04:38 `Zapdos wrote:
On April 26 2012 04:33 Apolo wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:05 StarVe wrote:
Hmm, GOM has repeatedly invited Stephano to Code S as far as I know. He just declined every single time. It's not really big news that they offer him a seed again, now, it's just to be expected, if you like it or not.

The interesting thing this time is simply that the's actually considering taking it, because he wants to go to Korea anyway.

Obviously it's also a marketing move, but that doesn't mean it isn't also based on his results.

I'm no advocate of Code S seeds, but it seems like GOM won't stop giving them out anytime soon, so I can live with their decision to give it to Stephano of all players.


Why is it a marketing move ? (marketing noob here)


Because people like me who don't normally buy gsl tickets will probably pay for that season just to watch stephano and naniwa in the tourny. (Gets more foreign fans to cough up the doe)


Yeah, and if OGN invited Bisu to OSL every time he failed to qualify, they would have gotten a lot more interest too. But they don't. Because you just don't do things like that as a serious league.

Compromising the integrity of the competition just to boost viewership makes GOM look cheap and untrustworthy. If they're willing to make exceptions like that, what else would they be willing to do when they decide they need more cash in the future?

First it started with 4 Code A spots that you could only get through MLG results. Now we already have two Code S spots and the up/down and Code A spots seem even easier to get - it doesn't even matter whether they go to foreigners who never even tried to compete in Korea or Koreans that just got knocked OUT of the competition they're being invited back in. Hell, if Bisu publicly declared he was going to switch to SC2, they'd probably invite him as well.

Show some freaking integrity, GOM.


Such a well written post and encompases my thoughts exactly, everyone read this!~
Eve online FC, lover of all competition
HaXeR
Profile Joined December 2011
Czech Republic189 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 20:07:52
April 25 2012 20:07 GMT
#116
On April 26 2012 05:01 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 04:57 HaXeR wrote:
On April 26 2012 04:52 Talin wrote:
On April 26 2012 04:38 `Zapdos wrote:
On April 26 2012 04:33 Apolo wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:05 StarVe wrote:
Hmm, GOM has repeatedly invited Stephano to Code S as far as I know. He just declined every single time. It's not really big news that they offer him a seed again, now, it's just to be expected, if you like it or not.

The interesting thing this time is simply that the's actually considering taking it, because he wants to go to Korea anyway.

Obviously it's also a marketing move, but that doesn't mean it isn't also based on his results.

I'm no advocate of Code S seeds, but it seems like GOM won't stop giving them out anytime soon, so I can live with their decision to give it to Stephano of all players.


Why is it a marketing move ? (marketing noob here)


Because people like me who don't normally buy gsl tickets will probably pay for that season just to watch stephano and naniwa in the tourny. (Gets more foreign fans to cough up the doe)


Yeah, and if OGN invited Bisu to OSL every time he failed to qualify, they would have gotten a lot more interest too. But they don't. Because you just don't do things like that as a serious league.

Compromising the integrity of the competition just to boost viewership makes GOM look cheap and untrustworthy. If they're willing to make exceptions like that, what else would they be willing to do when they decide they need more cash in the future?

First it started with 4 Code A spots. Now we already have two Code S spots and up/down and Code A spots seem even easier to get - it doesn't even matter whether they go to foreigners who never even tried to compete in Korea or Koreans that just got knocked OUT of the competition they're being invited back in. Hell, if Bisu publicly declared he was going to switch to SC2, they'd probably invite him as well.

Show some freaking integrity, GOM.

GSL is giving seeds or invites least out of all major starcraft tounaments.


That's really not much of an accomplishment when the standard should be giving out none at all.

Why it should be standart? Because you enjoy it? Yea, thats resonable. They goal is to make money, not to please every nerd, but majority of people.
Cutlery
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway565 Posts
April 25 2012 20:07 GMT
#117
much support. stephano fighting. glad to hear he's doing starcraft for another year.
NOOBALOPSE
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada802 Posts
April 25 2012 20:08 GMT
#118
On April 26 2012 03:04 Seldentar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 03:01 SomeONEx wrote:
unexpected, but great!


Why is it unexpected? Stephano said he would delay his studies one more year and go to korea in 1.5 months. He would NOT go to korea if he didn't have a code S seed. He would be better off staying in America/Europe with anything less.

Anyway grats! Can't wait to see Stephano vs Naniwa in the GSL

Don't worry, they set everything up. I highly doubt they pull names out of a hat
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
April 25 2012 20:11 GMT
#119
Compromising the integrity of the competition just to boost viewership makes GOM look cheap and untrustworthy. If they're willing to make exceptions like that, what else would they be willing to do when they decide they need more cash in the future?

Nah, all this makes GOM look like they actually care about globalizing the SC2 scene by encouraging foreigners to go to Korea and test their mettle. They're actually doing something about the thing that everyone on TL is complaining about, which is that they're tired of seeing Koreans win all the foreigner events.

It's good for everyone to see Naniwa doing well in GSL and hopefully Stephano will also shine. I think there have been some ugly tones to it, but people do get enthusiastic seeing these players perform well.

Is it unfair for all the Koreans who have to play through the grueling nerd hell that is qualifiers and Code B? Sure. But it's not uncommon in individual tournaments. Michelle Wie got lots of free invites to pro golf tournaments without having to qualify. It's the tournament's discretion who they invite to play.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 20:12:48
April 25 2012 20:11 GMT
#120
On April 26 2012 04:52 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 04:38 `Zapdos wrote:
On April 26 2012 04:33 Apolo wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:05 StarVe wrote:
Hmm, GOM has repeatedly invited Stephano to Code S as far as I know. He just declined every single time. It's not really big news that they offer him a seed again, now, it's just to be expected, if you like it or not.

The interesting thing this time is simply that the's actually considering taking it, because he wants to go to Korea anyway.

Obviously it's also a marketing move, but that doesn't mean it isn't also based on his results.

I'm no advocate of Code S seeds, but it seems like GOM won't stop giving them out anytime soon, so I can live with their decision to give it to Stephano of all players.


Why is it a marketing move ? (marketing noob here)


Because people like me who don't normally buy gsl tickets will probably pay for that season just to watch stephano and naniwa in the tourny. (Gets more foreign fans to cough up the doe)


Yeah, and if OGN invited Bisu to OSL every time he failed to qualify, they would have gotten a lot more interest too. But they don't. Because you just don't do things like that as a serious league.

Compromising the integrity of the competition just to boost viewership makes GOM look cheap and untrustworthy. If they're willing to make exceptions like that, what else would they be willing to do when they decide they need more cash in the future?

First it started with 4 Code A spots that you could only get through MLG results. Now we already have two Code S spots and the up/down and Code A spots seem even easier to get - it doesn't even matter whether they go to foreigners who never even tried to compete in Korea or Koreans that just got knocked OUT of the competition they're being invited back in. Hell, if Bisu publicly declared he was going to switch to SC2, they'd probably invite him as well.

Show some freaking integrity, GOM.


Running a live stage international tournament without invites is difficult, running a live stage international league without invites is nigh impossible.

OGN was able to get away with it because everyone who played in the OSL lived in Korea.
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