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 Lyn today announced he has left Team Pandarea due to financial and salary problems.
Source (t.qq.com, Chinese)
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Brief translation:
I am happy to come to China and join a Chinese team. But there was rumor about my team, Pandarea disbanding, but I haven't get official notice from the team boss, and I signed a 1-year contract, but I haven't received my salary after 6 months.
We have been contacting the team boss for a while, with no response yet. I'm very frustrated and disappointed on this situation, and have contacted my lawyer to investigate.
Anyway I'm very happy and thankful playing in tournaments for the past 8 months. I will be leaving Team Pandarea today, but will stay in China to participate in more tournaments. Thanks to all friends I've met here, and all my fans.
There is also rumor and drama flying in the Chinese esports scene about former Pandarea manager Efeng trading the team and players without their consent.
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Wow...I forgot about Lyn. This isn't another stupid PR thing, right? I hope sooner or later these shiesty teams stop appearing.
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He 7-0'd his group, hopefully another team makes him a good offer, still, this is incredibly sad. Reminds you how fragile ESPORTS still is.
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Lyn is smart, taking advantage of the Chinese scene while no other non-Chinese players are doing so, he won that one Chinese league championship for like $23000 or something.
Hopefully he can find a new team over there.
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hey who knows it could be an april fools joke....
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On April 19 2012 19:46 TheAmazombie wrote:
Wow...I forgot about Lyn. This isn't another stupid PR thing, right? I hope sooner or later these shiesty teams stop appearing.
Pandarea is not a shitty team, it is considered as one of the most respected teams in China.
On April 19 2012 19:58 swinkles wrote:
hey who knows it could be an april fools joke....
I dont think so, I heard about a rumor about this like a month ago.
Quite sad for Lyn, I hope a western team picks him up instead. 
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:/ Hopefully this will be resolved. Fraud managers are literally ruining eSports.
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gogog Lyn. I hope he finds a new team soon.
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Weird incident. I expected much more of Pandarea. Lot's of good players are in that team.
Hopefully Lyn can find a new team.
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Chinese SC2 esports not looking too good :S
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SlayerS_Lyn make it happen!
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Team Pandarea PR is now offically screwed lol
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On April 19 2012 20:49 GTR wrote:
iG or WE is my guess.
WE.Lyn again? We already had that :p
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On April 19 2012 20:00 LittLeD wrote:
:/ Hopefully this will be resolved. Fraud managers are literally ruining eSports.
On April 19 2012 20:23 GoSuChicken wrote:
Chinese SC2 esports not looking too good :S
All I would hope is that we as a community support the Chinese scene more and find ways to help these teams through times of financial struggle. They can't do it all on their own.
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fnatic.Lyn 
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On April 19 2012 20:53 clusen wrote:WE.Lyn again? We already had that :p
ooooo i'd love that :D
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I'd love to see Lyn get picked up by a Korean team, though I highly doubt that's happening. I really liked him and it was sad to see him go from the GSL.
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Such a waste that Lyn is staying in China he won't be able to keep up with his fellow kor.
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Lyn from WC3?? :O Does he still play Warcraft 3?
EDIT: I posted with out adding my question -_-
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Lyyyyyyyyyyyyyyynsanity!
No? Nobody?
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Such a shame 
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On April 19 2012 20:29 winthrop wrote:
Fnatic_Lyn
LiquidLyn
Fnatic_Lyn would be so sick!
2 WC3 legends on the same team? Damn.
iG would be a more likely choice though.
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Is this Lyn the TFT orc Lyn?
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On April 19 2012 22:05 Yaki wrote:
Such a waste that Lyn is staying in China he won't be able to keep up with his fellow kor.
TBH he'd make more money owning Chinese players than struggle in the GSL.
Also his girlfriend is Chinese, so that might make moving back to Korea somewhat less likely.
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On April 19 2012 22:51 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Is this Lyn the TFT orc Lyn?
Yes.
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I hope Lyn get picked up on soon, iG would be awesome for him
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Lyn's staying in China and as far as I know has no intentions of leaving the Chinese scene. He seems to be very taken with the Chinese culture/language outside of gaming; it's kind of funny actually, lol.
Hope things work out for him. :/
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On April 19 2012 22:05 Yaki wrote:
Such a waste that Lyn is staying in China he won't be able to keep up with his fellow kor.
He stated that he's interested in China because he wants to learn the language and stuff about experiencing new things.
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Hopefully lyn gets picked up by a foreign team so I can possibly meet him at an event.
Too bad he doesn't play zerg anymore though.
On second thought, he should get a bunch of his chinese teammates to join a foreign team as well so we can see more chinese players.
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Okay, also, someone fact-check me on this because my Chinese is kind of shit, but is Efeng (ex?-manager of PanDa) also transferring to iG?
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This is a common issue in China. A lot of companies pay late, or sometimes not at all.
After 6 months of living in China I am not suprised.
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gl Lyn, I hope he can continue to play WC3 in China unitl he finds a new team.
I'm a bit sad WC3 died off as quick as it did when SC2 got released, at least it's still played in China.
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On April 19 2012 22:12 Dattish wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 22:05 Yaki wrote:
Such a waste that Lyn is staying in China he won't be able to keep up with his fellow kor. Lyn is mainly a WC3 player though, he just plays SC2 when he feels like getting some easy cash.
Since there basically hasn't been any wc3 tournaments since WCG he has been playing sc2 exclusively since then, wc3 is pretty dead in China now as well. Even though theres a few tournaments that have presented wc3 for 2012, most teams have dropped their lineups and most proplayers have started transfering to DOTA.
On April 19 2012 22:05 Yaki wrote:
Such a waste that Lyn is staying in China he won't be able to keep up with his fellow kor.
Lyn still practices, just like all other chinese pros, on the Korean grandmaster and is high masters on Korean ladder and practices with GM players regularly.
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On April 20 2012 02:22 ToF wrote:
gl Lyn, I hope he can continue to play WC3 in China unitl he finds a new team.
I'm a bit sad WC3 died off as quick as it did when SC2 got released, at least it's still played in China.
I used to follow a bit of WC 3. WC 3 is dead in China. TH000, the #1-#2 Human player in the world, went teamless and salaryless a few months ago, which goes out to display how fragile a career in eSports is in a developing country.
The eSports scenes that I think are still going well in China are Dota and LoL, Dota being the biggest. Hard to say what the switch to Dota 2 is going to do, however.
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On April 19 2012 19:59 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 19:46 TheAmazombie wrote:
Wow...I forgot about Lyn. This isn't another stupid PR thing, right? I hope sooner or later these shiesty teams stop appearing. Pandarea is not a shitty team, it is considered as one of the most respected teams in China. Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 19:58 swinkles wrote:
hey who knows it could be an april fools joke.... I dont think so, I heard about a rumor about this like a month ago. Quite sad for Lyn, I hope a western team picks him up instead.
He didnt say "shitty" team, he said "shiesty" team.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shiest
1. shiest 134 up, 28 down
A person who will take advantage and cheat in some situations.
Tom double-hits the pipe when no one is looking, that fuckin shiest.
But yeah, I really hope Lyn finds another team fast! He's an extremely talented and dedicated player.
GL on fixing the situation, Lyn!
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On April 20 2012 02:27 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 22:12 Dattish wrote:On April 19 2012 22:05 Yaki wrote:
Such a waste that Lyn is staying in China he won't be able to keep up with his fellow kor. Lyn is mainly a WC3 player though, he just plays SC2 when he feels like getting some easy cash. Since there basically hasn't been any wc3 tournaments since WCG he has been playing sc2 exclusively since then, wc3 is pretty dead in China now as well. Even though theres a few tournaments that have presented wc3 for 2012, most teams have dropped their lineups and most proplayers have started transfering to DOTA.
... you say this as StarsWar qualifiers are happening and as G-League is getting ready for a third season. >_>
War3 isn't doing well, but RTS as a genre is not doing well in China, and War3 still has a way bigger following than SC2. It is not just War3 squads being dropped anyways, but War3 and SC2 squads. That is why so many of them are going to DotA and not SC2. Also because a lot of them don't enjoy SC2 as much as they enjoy DotA (or in the case of TH000, he only likes War3 and doesn't intend to switch at all). RTS is on its way out in China, imo.
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really need Lyn fulltime in SC2, if i remember right guy was a semifinalist in the early gsl seasons.
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On April 20 2012 02:35 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 02:27 Eee wrote:On April 19 2012 22:12 Dattish wrote:On April 19 2012 22:05 Yaki wrote:
Such a waste that Lyn is staying in China he won't be able to keep up with his fellow kor. Lyn is mainly a WC3 player though, he just plays SC2 when he feels like getting some easy cash. Since there basically hasn't been any wc3 tournaments since WCG he has been playing sc2 exclusively since then, wc3 is pretty dead in China now as well. Even though theres a few tournaments that have presented wc3 for 2012, most teams have dropped their lineups and most proplayers have started transfering to DOTA. ... you say this as StarsWar qualifiers are happening and as G-League is getting ready for a third season. >_> War3 isn't doing well, but RTS as a genre is not doing well in China, and War3 still has a way bigger following than SC2. It is not just War3 squads being dropped anyways, but War3 and SC2 squads. That is why so many of them are going to DotA and not SC2. Also because a lot of them don't enjoy SC2 as much as they enjoy DotA (or in the case of TH000, he only likes War3 and doesn't intend to switch at all). RTS is on its way out in China, imo.
RTS games are on their way out everywhere. But there is a nostalgia factor with SC that keeps it alive in the West and Korea; no such thing in China.
For the games industry, this is the age of MMOs, MOBAs, and social games.
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I hope Lyn finds a new home soon I always enjoyed watching him play!
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On April 20 2012 02:35 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 02:27 Eee wrote:On April 19 2012 22:12 Dattish wrote:On April 19 2012 22:05 Yaki wrote:
Such a waste that Lyn is staying in China he won't be able to keep up with his fellow kor. Lyn is mainly a WC3 player though, he just plays SC2 when he feels like getting some easy cash. Since there basically hasn't been any wc3 tournaments since WCG he has been playing sc2 exclusively since then, wc3 is pretty dead in China now as well. Even though theres a few tournaments that have presented wc3 for 2012, most teams have dropped their lineups and most proplayers have started transfering to DOTA. ... you say this as StarsWar qualifiers are happening and as G-League is getting ready for a third season. >_> War3 isn't doing well, but RTS as a genre is not doing well in China, and War3 still has a way bigger following than SC2. It is not just War3 squads being dropped anyways, but War3 and SC2 squads. That is why so many of them are going to DotA and not SC2. Also because a lot of them don't enjoy SC2 as much as they enjoy DotA (or in the case of TH000, he only likes War3 and doesn't intend to switch at all). RTS is on its way out in China, imo.
You're right, I was rather trying to point out that Lyn has been focusing on sc2 lately, not the other way around. But most chinese pros and commentators seem to agree that wc3 is fading away. Since sc2 never was successful I'd rather say it's on an uprise, considering NSL and the recent lifetime subscription option in China (which seems to have recieved positive response from the chinese). But then again, you're right.
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@ Azarkon: I would argue that nostalgia is keeping War3 alive in the Chinese tournament scene. I really think this will be its last tournament year, but I won't be surprised if it hangs on for 1-2 more years.
On April 20 2012 02:46 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 02:35 babylon wrote:On April 20 2012 02:27 Eee wrote:On April 19 2012 22:12 Dattish wrote:On April 19 2012 22:05 Yaki wrote:
Such a waste that Lyn is staying in China he won't be able to keep up with his fellow kor. Lyn is mainly a WC3 player though, he just plays SC2 when he feels like getting some easy cash. Since there basically hasn't been any wc3 tournaments since WCG he has been playing sc2 exclusively since then, wc3 is pretty dead in China now as well. Even though theres a few tournaments that have presented wc3 for 2012, most teams have dropped their lineups and most proplayers have started transfering to DOTA. ... you say this as StarsWar qualifiers are happening and as G-League is getting ready for a third season. >_> War3 isn't doing well, but RTS as a genre is not doing well in China, and War3 still has a way bigger following than SC2. It is not just War3 squads being dropped anyways, but War3 and SC2 squads. That is why so many of them are going to DotA and not SC2. Also because a lot of them don't enjoy SC2 as much as they enjoy DotA (or in the case of TH000, he only likes War3 and doesn't intend to switch at all). RTS is on its way out in China, imo. You're right, I was rather trying to point out that Lyn has been focusing on sc2 lately, not the other way around. But most chinese pros and commentators seem to agree that wc3 is fading away. Since sc2 never was successful I'd rather say it's on an uprise, considering NSL and the recent lifetime subscription option in China (which seems to have recieved positive response from the chinese). But then again, you're right.
It is perhaps better to say that Lyn plays SC2 except when he doesn't; he splits his time 50/50 between SC2 and Chinese right now. I'm interested to know if he'll play War3 in G-League and StarsWar (Korean quals haven't been announced yet afaik, but Focus, Lawliet, Believe, and Luci will probably participate at least).
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On April 20 2012 02:49 babylon wrote:@ Azarkon: I would argue that nostalgia is keeping War3 alive in the Chinese tournament scene. I really think this will be its last tournament year, but I won't be surprised if it hangs on for 1-2 more years. Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 02:46 Eee wrote:On April 20 2012 02:35 babylon wrote:On April 20 2012 02:27 Eee wrote:On April 19 2012 22:12 Dattish wrote:On April 19 2012 22:05 Yaki wrote:
Such a waste that Lyn is staying in China he won't be able to keep up with his fellow kor. Lyn is mainly a WC3 player though, he just plays SC2 when he feels like getting some easy cash. Since there basically hasn't been any wc3 tournaments since WCG he has been playing sc2 exclusively since then, wc3 is pretty dead in China now as well. Even though theres a few tournaments that have presented wc3 for 2012, most teams have dropped their lineups and most proplayers have started transfering to DOTA. ... you say this as StarsWar qualifiers are happening and as G-League is getting ready for a third season. >_> War3 isn't doing well, but RTS as a genre is not doing well in China, and War3 still has a way bigger following than SC2. It is not just War3 squads being dropped anyways, but War3 and SC2 squads. That is why so many of them are going to DotA and not SC2. Also because a lot of them don't enjoy SC2 as much as they enjoy DotA (or in the case of TH000, he only likes War3 and doesn't intend to switch at all). RTS is on its way out in China, imo. You're right, I was rather trying to point out that Lyn has been focusing on sc2 lately, not the other way around. But most chinese pros and commentators seem to agree that wc3 is fading away. Since sc2 never was successful I'd rather say it's on an uprise, considering NSL and the recent lifetime subscription option in China (which seems to have recieved positive response from the chinese). But then again, you're right. It is perhaps better to say that Lyn plays SC2 except when he doesn't; he splits his time 50/50 between SC2 and Chinese right now. I'm interested to know if he'll play War3 in G-League and StarsWar (Korean quals haven't been announced yet afaik, but Focus, Lawliet, Believe, and Luci will probably participate at least).
At G-League season 3 (January) Lyn only participated in SC2, I dont know but I feel his focus has shifted to sc2 a lot more than last year.
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On April 20 2012 02:53 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 02:49 babylon wrote:@ Azarkon: I would argue that nostalgia is keeping War3 alive in the Chinese tournament scene. I really think this will be its last tournament year, but I won't be surprised if it hangs on for 1-2 more years. On April 20 2012 02:46 Eee wrote:On April 20 2012 02:35 babylon wrote:On April 20 2012 02:27 Eee wrote:On April 19 2012 22:12 Dattish wrote:On April 19 2012 22:05 Yaki wrote:
Such a waste that Lyn is staying in China he won't be able to keep up with his fellow kor. Lyn is mainly a WC3 player though, he just plays SC2 when he feels like getting some easy cash. Since there basically hasn't been any wc3 tournaments since WCG he has been playing sc2 exclusively since then, wc3 is pretty dead in China now as well. Even though theres a few tournaments that have presented wc3 for 2012, most teams have dropped their lineups and most proplayers have started transfering to DOTA. ... you say this as StarsWar qualifiers are happening and as G-League is getting ready for a third season. >_> War3 isn't doing well, but RTS as a genre is not doing well in China, and War3 still has a way bigger following than SC2. It is not just War3 squads being dropped anyways, but War3 and SC2 squads. That is why so many of them are going to DotA and not SC2. Also because a lot of them don't enjoy SC2 as much as they enjoy DotA (or in the case of TH000, he only likes War3 and doesn't intend to switch at all). RTS is on its way out in China, imo. You're right, I was rather trying to point out that Lyn has been focusing on sc2 lately, not the other way around. But most chinese pros and commentators seem to agree that wc3 is fading away. Since sc2 never was successful I'd rather say it's on an uprise, considering NSL and the recent lifetime subscription option in China (which seems to have recieved positive response from the chinese). But then again, you're right. It is perhaps better to say that Lyn plays SC2 except when he doesn't; he splits his time 50/50 between SC2 and Chinese right now. I'm interested to know if he'll play War3 in G-League and StarsWar (Korean quals haven't been announced yet afaik, but Focus, Lawliet, Believe, and Luci will probably participate at least). At G-League season 3 (January) Lyn only participated in SC2, I dont know but I feel his focus has shifted to sc2 a lot more than last year.
PanDa told him to play SC2 in G-League last time, from what I know. At least last year, he said that he finds War3 more fun than SC2, but that his plans depended on what tournaments are available when.
He's probably just playing what he's told/what he has a better chance of winning.
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That's really sad. Hope he can find new team soon.
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On April 20 2012 02:58 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 02:53 Eee wrote:On April 20 2012 02:49 babylon wrote:@ Azarkon: I would argue that nostalgia is keeping War3 alive in the Chinese tournament scene. I really think this will be its last tournament year, but I won't be surprised if it hangs on for 1-2 more years. On April 20 2012 02:46 Eee wrote:On April 20 2012 02:35 babylon wrote:On April 20 2012 02:27 Eee wrote:On April 19 2012 22:12 Dattish wrote:On April 19 2012 22:05 Yaki wrote:
Such a waste that Lyn is staying in China he won't be able to keep up with his fellow kor. Lyn is mainly a WC3 player though, he just plays SC2 when he feels like getting some easy cash. Since there basically hasn't been any wc3 tournaments since WCG he has been playing sc2 exclusively since then, wc3 is pretty dead in China now as well. Even though theres a few tournaments that have presented wc3 for 2012, most teams have dropped their lineups and most proplayers have started transfering to DOTA. ... you say this as StarsWar qualifiers are happening and as G-League is getting ready for a third season. >_> War3 isn't doing well, but RTS as a genre is not doing well in China, and War3 still has a way bigger following than SC2. It is not just War3 squads being dropped anyways, but War3 and SC2 squads. That is why so many of them are going to DotA and not SC2. Also because a lot of them don't enjoy SC2 as much as they enjoy DotA (or in the case of TH000, he only likes War3 and doesn't intend to switch at all). RTS is on its way out in China, imo. You're right, I was rather trying to point out that Lyn has been focusing on sc2 lately, not the other way around. But most chinese pros and commentators seem to agree that wc3 is fading away. Since sc2 never was successful I'd rather say it's on an uprise, considering NSL and the recent lifetime subscription option in China (which seems to have recieved positive response from the chinese). But then again, you're right. It is perhaps better to say that Lyn plays SC2 except when he doesn't; he splits his time 50/50 between SC2 and Chinese right now. I'm interested to know if he'll play War3 in G-League and StarsWar (Korean quals haven't been announced yet afaik, but Focus, Lawliet, Believe, and Luci will probably participate at least). At G-League season 3 (January) Lyn only participated in SC2, I dont know but I feel his focus has shifted to sc2 a lot more than last year. PanDa told him to play SC2 in G-League last time, from what I know. At least last year, he said that he finds War3 more fun than SC2, but that his plans depended on what tournaments are available when. He's probably just playing what he's told/what he has a better chance of winning.
Well that's quite sad, will be intersting to see which team will pick him up.
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Stuff like this makes it so hard for eSports to break into the mainstream, hoping for the best.
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I fiind it worrying that the scene is so fickle. WC3 was pretty big, maybe not CS-big or Quake-big but still, how can it just die off so quickly? Quake and CS have been on life support for a while now but they are still around nonetheless.
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Man I feel bad for Lyn
I remember when he was showing the most promise of the former WC3 Top players early on.
I really wish a foreign team would pick him up but it seems like he really wants to stay in China so hopefully, either way, he find a new team soon.
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Here is a prime example of why the chinese scene is so far behind in SC2.
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On April 20 2012 02:40 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 02:35 babylon wrote:On April 20 2012 02:27 Eee wrote:On April 19 2012 22:12 Dattish wrote:On April 19 2012 22:05 Yaki wrote:
Such a waste that Lyn is staying in China he won't be able to keep up with his fellow kor. Lyn is mainly a WC3 player though, he just plays SC2 when he feels like getting some easy cash. Since there basically hasn't been any wc3 tournaments since WCG he has been playing sc2 exclusively since then, wc3 is pretty dead in China now as well. Even though theres a few tournaments that have presented wc3 for 2012, most teams have dropped their lineups and most proplayers have started transfering to DOTA. ... you say this as StarsWar qualifiers are happening and as G-League is getting ready for a third season. >_> War3 isn't doing well, but RTS as a genre is not doing well in China, and War3 still has a way bigger following than SC2. It is not just War3 squads being dropped anyways, but War3 and SC2 squads. That is why so many of them are going to DotA and not SC2. Also because a lot of them don't enjoy SC2 as much as they enjoy DotA (or in the case of TH000, he only likes War3 and doesn't intend to switch at all). RTS is on its way out in China, imo. RTS games are on their way out everywhere. But there is a nostalgia factor with SC that keeps it alive in the West and Korea; no such thing in China. For the games industry, this is the age of MMOs, MOBAs, and social games.
RTS may be on the way out, but it's the game quality and competition that is doing it. It's still by far the best genre for spectating, as SC2 has shown; it's just that games like DOTA2/LoL/WoW are better crafted to get people hooked. If HoTS/LotV elevate SC2's gameplay to BW level then it'll easily exceed LoL in terms of spectators.
LoL is still a sub-par game to spectate, people just like to follow a competitive game they play - look at the WoW 'esport', or the CoD scene. RTS is still the only genre that gets people to watch who don't play.
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