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On April 13 2012 19:12 Exempt. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 19:09 DigitalDevil wrote:On April 13 2012 18:53 Exempt. wrote:On April 13 2012 15:11 DigitalDevil wrote:On April 13 2012 15:06 hegeo wrote:On April 13 2012 15:04 DigitalDevil wrote:
One programmer can do this within such a short span of time and Blizz can't implement something decent for who knows how long? I'm wondering - did they ever say they couldn't? I don't think so. Who cares if they ever said they could or couldn't? The fact that it's not implemented speaks for itself, and if it is technically this easy to implement, then there is unlikely to be good justification to not have it implemented. Blizz is either lazy or incompetent. it's not incompetence. Stop being ignorant. Go learn some basics of computer science so you have some common sense on the issue or don't post. Did you completely miss the posts I made further in the thread? What, did you contradict yourself later? If so my mistake for calling you out, otherwise it doesn't matter. It's a highly silly viewpoint to think blizzard couldn't write code to do the same thing if they wanted to. Anyways on a side note I'm not detracting from the OP, like I said earlier it's impressive that he wrote it. Pathetic that there can't be a thread without fucking blizzard bashing.
I use to hold back from Blizzard bashing, but in this case a little is called for. If they had written the game in a way that made this hard/impossible to implement then sure. What the guy proves is that it's possible in the framework of the game to do it.
The bashing comes from the fact that compared to LoL, DotA2 (I don't know about HoN) a disconnected player means a pause until the other player can reconnect, not a massive black stain against the finals of a major tournament which induces a couple of hundred pages of ranting, hate, bashing, ambiguity and throws the legitimacy of a result in doubt.
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On April 13 2012 19:15 kayrice wrote:Answer I was expecting. Maybe you should stop trying to have a logical discussion considering you have no viewpoint?
Seems someones jealous that they spent 10 years in school and lack any talent in the actual field.
You obviously have zero experience with applying your knowledge. So your viewpoint is worthless. Sad when a typical graduate has such unsound rationality, but I guess it's expected to have an influx of those individuals in an ever growing field.
Obviously if blizzard wrote the code it would only take them a few days in writing the same thing. They would continue to spend 10x+ that amount of time making sure it's perfect, because anything else would be under their standard. Your lack of understanding of this basic concept in programming tells me your degree is fallacious in nature.
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On April 13 2012 19:12 Exempt. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 19:09 DigitalDevil wrote:On April 13 2012 18:53 Exempt. wrote:On April 13 2012 15:11 DigitalDevil wrote:On April 13 2012 15:06 hegeo wrote:On April 13 2012 15:04 DigitalDevil wrote:
One programmer can do this within such a short span of time and Blizz can't implement something decent for who knows how long? I'm wondering - did they ever say they couldn't? I don't think so. Who cares if they ever said they could or couldn't? The fact that it's not implemented speaks for itself, and if it is technically this easy to implement, then there is unlikely to be good justification to not have it implemented. Blizz is either lazy or incompetent. it's not incompetence. Stop being ignorant. Go learn some basics of computer science so you have some common sense on the issue or don't post. Did you completely miss the posts I made further in the thread? What, did you contradict yourself later? If so my mistake for calling you out, otherwise it doesn't matter. It's a highly silly viewpoint to think blizzard couldn't write code to do the same thing if they wanted to. Anyways on a side note I'm not detracting from the OP, like I said earlier it's impressive that he wrote it. Pathetic that there can't be a thread without fucking blizzard bashing.
Are you trying to troll? If anything, my later posts contradict your initial claim. And I clearly said Blizzard is either lazy or incompetent. They can be skillfully competent and lazy for all I know. What I do know is that someone created a proof of concept clearly showing how simple and feasible it is. On the other hand, convince me that Blizzard's decision making is perfect and all knowing.
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On April 13 2012 19:25 DigitalDevil wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 19:12 Exempt. wrote:On April 13 2012 19:09 DigitalDevil wrote:On April 13 2012 18:53 Exempt. wrote:On April 13 2012 15:11 DigitalDevil wrote:On April 13 2012 15:06 hegeo wrote:On April 13 2012 15:04 DigitalDevil wrote:
One programmer can do this within such a short span of time and Blizz can't implement something decent for who knows how long? I'm wondering - did they ever say they couldn't? I don't think so. Who cares if they ever said they could or couldn't? The fact that it's not implemented speaks for itself, and if it is technically this easy to implement, then there is unlikely to be good justification to not have it implemented. Blizz is either lazy or incompetent. it's not incompetence. Stop being ignorant. Go learn some basics of computer science so you have some common sense on the issue or don't post. Did you completely miss the posts I made further in the thread? What, did you contradict yourself later? If so my mistake for calling you out, otherwise it doesn't matter. It's a highly silly viewpoint to think blizzard couldn't write code to do the same thing if they wanted to. Anyways on a side note I'm not detracting from the OP, like I said earlier it's impressive that he wrote it. Pathetic that there can't be a thread without fucking blizzard bashing. Are you trying to troll? If anything, my later posts contradict your initial claim. And I clearly said Blizzard is either lazy or incompetent. They can be skillfully competent and lazy for all I know. What I do know is that someone created a proof of concept clearly showing how simple and feasible it is. On the other hand, convince me that Blizzard's decision making is perfect and all knowing.
There are some other options, maybe they just chose not to include this feature. Maybe this feature is on the bottom of their priorities. When developing software its not exactly easy to deal with all requirements and keep everyone happy.
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On April 13 2012 19:25 DigitalDevil wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 19:12 Exempt. wrote:On April 13 2012 19:09 DigitalDevil wrote:On April 13 2012 18:53 Exempt. wrote:On April 13 2012 15:11 DigitalDevil wrote:On April 13 2012 15:06 hegeo wrote:On April 13 2012 15:04 DigitalDevil wrote:
One programmer can do this within such a short span of time and Blizz can't implement something decent for who knows how long? I'm wondering - did they ever say they couldn't? I don't think so. Who cares if they ever said they could or couldn't? The fact that it's not implemented speaks for itself, and if it is technically this easy to implement, then there is unlikely to be good justification to not have it implemented. Blizz is either lazy or incompetent. it's not incompetence. Stop being ignorant. Go learn some basics of computer science so you have some common sense on the issue or don't post. Did you completely miss the posts I made further in the thread? What, did you contradict yourself later? If so my mistake for calling you out, otherwise it doesn't matter. It's a highly silly viewpoint to think blizzard couldn't write code to do the same thing if they wanted to. Anyways on a side note I'm not detracting from the OP, like I said earlier it's impressive that he wrote it. Pathetic that there can't be a thread without fucking blizzard bashing. Are you trying to troll? If anything, my later posts contradict your initial claim. And I clearly said Blizzard is either lazy or incompetent. They can be skillfully competent and lazy for all I know. What I do know is that someone created a proof of concept clearly showing how simple and feasible it is. On the other hand, convince me that Blizzard's decision making is perfect and all knowing.
Here's blizzard's decision making buddy: Make money.
They do that by making HOTS and Blizzard Dota. Not from implementing random features. Should be pretty straightforward.
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Seems someones jealous that they spent 10 years in school and lack any talent in the actual field.
You don't notice that you've slowly given up any logical position and incrementally translated into attacking me personally? I would be offended if it wasn't so transparent.
You obviously have zero experience with applying your knowledge. So your viewpoint is worthless. Sad when a typical graduate has such unsound rationality, but I guess it's expected to have an influx of those individuals in an ever growing field.
Nice. You don't even know what field I'm in, and assume I have never applied my knowledge in this unknown field. You haven't backed anything up or held a rational opinion at all - you just say your right and others are wrong and then bash them.
Obviously if blizzard wrote the code it would only take them a few days in writing the same thing
Exhibited by them implementing it within the last 2 years of the game...
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On April 13 2012 19:29 Switchy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 19:25 DigitalDevil wrote:On April 13 2012 19:12 Exempt. wrote:On April 13 2012 19:09 DigitalDevil wrote:On April 13 2012 18:53 Exempt. wrote:On April 13 2012 15:11 DigitalDevil wrote:On April 13 2012 15:06 hegeo wrote:On April 13 2012 15:04 DigitalDevil wrote:
One programmer can do this within such a short span of time and Blizz can't implement something decent for who knows how long? I'm wondering - did they ever say they couldn't? I don't think so. Who cares if they ever said they could or couldn't? The fact that it's not implemented speaks for itself, and if it is technically this easy to implement, then there is unlikely to be good justification to not have it implemented. Blizz is either lazy or incompetent. it's not incompetence. Stop being ignorant. Go learn some basics of computer science so you have some common sense on the issue or don't post. Did you completely miss the posts I made further in the thread? What, did you contradict yourself later? If so my mistake for calling you out, otherwise it doesn't matter. It's a highly silly viewpoint to think blizzard couldn't write code to do the same thing if they wanted to. Anyways on a side note I'm not detracting from the OP, like I said earlier it's impressive that he wrote it. Pathetic that there can't be a thread without fucking blizzard bashing. Are you trying to troll? If anything, my later posts contradict your initial claim. And I clearly said Blizzard is either lazy or incompetent. They can be skillfully competent and lazy for all I know. What I do know is that someone created a proof of concept clearly showing how simple and feasible it is. On the other hand, convince me that Blizzard's decision making is perfect and all knowing. There are some other options, maybe they just chose not to include this feature. Maybe this feature is on the bottom of their priorities. When developing software its not exactly easy to deal with all requirements and keep everyone happy.
Hence why I also implied in a previous post that incompetence can be extended to decision making.
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Dare I say, someone needs to be "exempted" from this thread, before it goes even more offtopic, thanks to his trolling?
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On April 13 2012 19:13 Exempt. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 19:11 kayrice wrote:you really think blizzard is too incompetent to write this? Judging by the high demand and lack of implementation with the abundance of resources, what would you classify it as other than incompetence? I dunno Mr. Master's degree, enlighten a poor undergraduate CS student such as myself since you seem to know so much more than one of the largest gaming companies.
You are obviously either looking for a fight or just..I dont even know to be honest, you'd need a doctor to look at you at least. What he is saying is that it is incompetent of them to implement this. NOT that they are not ABLE to! How hard is that to understand?
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Hey, weren't we talking about this tool and what it does and/or how it works? While I am not trying it, I am excited for the possibilities of it. Anyone found any bugs or issues as of yet?
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On April 13 2012 19:29 Exempt. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 19:25 DigitalDevil wrote:On April 13 2012 19:12 Exempt. wrote:On April 13 2012 19:09 DigitalDevil wrote:On April 13 2012 18:53 Exempt. wrote:On April 13 2012 15:11 DigitalDevil wrote:On April 13 2012 15:06 hegeo wrote:On April 13 2012 15:04 DigitalDevil wrote:
One programmer can do this within such a short span of time and Blizz can't implement something decent for who knows how long? I'm wondering - did they ever say they couldn't? I don't think so. Who cares if they ever said they could or couldn't? The fact that it's not implemented speaks for itself, and if it is technically this easy to implement, then there is unlikely to be good justification to not have it implemented. Blizz is either lazy or incompetent. it's not incompetence. Stop being ignorant. Go learn some basics of computer science so you have some common sense on the issue or don't post. Did you completely miss the posts I made further in the thread? What, did you contradict yourself later? If so my mistake for calling you out, otherwise it doesn't matter. It's a highly silly viewpoint to think blizzard couldn't write code to do the same thing if they wanted to. Anyways on a side note I'm not detracting from the OP, like I said earlier it's impressive that he wrote it. Pathetic that there can't be a thread without fucking blizzard bashing. Are you trying to troll? If anything, my later posts contradict your initial claim. And I clearly said Blizzard is either lazy or incompetent. They can be skillfully competent and lazy for all I know. What I do know is that someone created a proof of concept clearly showing how simple and feasible it is. On the other hand, convince me that Blizzard's decision making is perfect and all knowing. Here's blizzard's decision making buddy: Make money. They do that by making HOTS and Blizzard Dota. Not from implementing random features. Should be pretty straightforward.
So call them greedy but not incompetent and settle it ok? Useless discussion.
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On April 13 2012 19:01 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 14:34 Gorkon wrote:
Using an unauthorized program would probably incur a Bnet ban, so I'll just wait until Blizzard creates their own similar feature. Good idea, though. Sins of a Solar Empire has a feature that lets you resume multi-player games, and it works quite well. I'm sure Blizzard is working on it. Even Age of Empires had a save function for multiplayer games.. It's nothing new really.
Holy shit.. yes it did! Even the star wars knock off based on the same engine (galactic battlegrounds) let you save a multiplayer game mid way through, and come back to it later on.
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On April 13 2012 14:29 Soft`Soap wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 14:22 zhurai wrote:On April 13 2012 14:09 Soft`Soap wrote:
I think that putting a link to download hacks is against the tl.net code
I think that leaving your findings is fine, but you should probably delete the download links. there are multiple meanings of "hack" you know. It's still a 3rd party program that Blizzard doesn't approve of
I'm sorry, how do you know they don't approve? They approve of other third parties like stronger team colour... This isn't harming anyone, relax.
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On April 13 2012 19:29 Exempt. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 19:25 DigitalDevil wrote:On April 13 2012 19:12 Exempt. wrote:On April 13 2012 19:09 DigitalDevil wrote:On April 13 2012 18:53 Exempt. wrote:On April 13 2012 15:11 DigitalDevil wrote:On April 13 2012 15:06 hegeo wrote:On April 13 2012 15:04 DigitalDevil wrote:
One programmer can do this within such a short span of time and Blizz can't implement something decent for who knows how long? I'm wondering - did they ever say they couldn't? I don't think so. Who cares if they ever said they could or couldn't? The fact that it's not implemented speaks for itself, and if it is technically this easy to implement, then there is unlikely to be good justification to not have it implemented. Blizz is either lazy or incompetent. it's not incompetence. Stop being ignorant. Go learn some basics of computer science so you have some common sense on the issue or don't post. Did you completely miss the posts I made further in the thread? What, did you contradict yourself later? If so my mistake for calling you out, otherwise it doesn't matter. It's a highly silly viewpoint to think blizzard couldn't write code to do the same thing if they wanted to. Anyways on a side note I'm not detracting from the OP, like I said earlier it's impressive that he wrote it. Pathetic that there can't be a thread without fucking blizzard bashing. Are you trying to troll? If anything, my later posts contradict your initial claim. And I clearly said Blizzard is either lazy or incompetent. They can be skillfully competent and lazy for all I know. What I do know is that someone created a proof of concept clearly showing how simple and feasible it is. On the other hand, convince me that Blizzard's decision making is perfect and all knowing. Here's blizzard's decision making buddy: Make money. They do that by making HOTS and Blizzard Dota. Not from implementing random features. Should be pretty straightforward.
It's not a random feature. It's important to the community and to the legitimacy of the sport as evidenced by the public outrage. Are you somehow religiously committed to anything Blizzard does? Can Blizzard do anything wrong?
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I would say this feature does qualify as a monetary interest. Obviously Blizzard has resources they are utilizing on SC2: WoL as they make changes to the game still with frequency. They work closely and have an interest in the competitive scene which has been effected by this. I'm not trying to bash Blizzard, but when they drop the ball you have to be honest and call it like you see it.
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On April 13 2012 19:32 Roflhaxx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 19:13 Exempt. wrote:On April 13 2012 19:11 kayrice wrote:you really think blizzard is too incompetent to write this? Judging by the high demand and lack of implementation with the abundance of resources, what would you classify it as other than incompetence? I dunno Mr. Master's degree, enlighten a poor undergraduate CS student such as myself since you seem to know so much more than one of the largest gaming companies. You are obviously either looking for a fight or just..I dont even know to be honest, you'd need a doctor to look at you at least. What he is saying is that it is incompetent of them to implement this. NOT that they are not ABLE to! How hard is that to understand?
Yeah I need a doctor because I'm willing to defend a gaming company that has proven themselves over the past 20 years over posters who say they "know" what they're talking about.
What ignorance, I can't see how game developers put up with it. It's probably why they don't waste time trying to please the community coding these types of things.
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It's obvious that if one guy can do it, then hundred of professional programmer who are working for one of the biggest gaming company in the world (whom made the game) should be able to implement this feature with no troubles at all. The question is, why aren't they doing it?
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I never claimed I "know" what I'm talking about. I presented logical arguments that reinforce my position. I could see how you arrived at the conclusion I know what I'm talking about though and thanks for the freudian complement.
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Well this has gotten vile can't we just agree that it is a good thing that should get pushed by the community.
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I wouldn't recommend using it atm, but it's a great thing it was made so props to the OP.
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