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FatBat
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany326 Posts
April 09 2012 23:05 GMT
#21
Does just the group winner advance? I dont get the format..
"This game went full retard"- Totalbiscuit
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
April 09 2012 23:05 GMT
#22
Comparing
Foreign Group B
with
Foreign Group D

pretty much shows how bad thought out this is. i like the idea, but it couldve been done so much better.
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Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
April 09 2012 23:06 GMT
#23
Group B for foreign zergs is so unfair haha, that's like four of the current top 5 zergs T_T
StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
April 09 2012 23:08 GMT
#24
looks like a fun idea^^
The votes are very subjective. Is there any system for the Group Assigning?
my subjective opinion:

not sure if Bischu deserves his spot, not that he is bad, but i would rate others more highly (maybe axlav, monchi etc. )
i would choose TheStC over fOrGG,GanZi, sC, Ryung,... at any day

I would choose any player out of Foreign Zerg Group B and C over all the players from
Foreign Zerg Group D
And an other group of death: Foreign Protoss Group B
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
April 09 2012 23:10 GMT
#25
On April 10 2012 08:08 OrbitalPlane wrote:
looks like a fun idea^^
The votes are very subjective. Is there any system for the Group Assigning?
my subjective opinion:

not sure if Bischu deserves his spot, not that he is bad, but i would rate others more highly (maybe axlav, monchi etc. )
i would choose TheStC over fOrGG,GanZi, sC, Ryung,... at any day

I would choose any player out of Foreign Zerg Group B and C over all the players from
Foreign Zerg Group D
And an other group of death: Foreign Protoss Group B


I chose 16 players that I felt that qualified and ordered them by their ELO ranking (if I ranked them from strongest to weakest according to me I don't think it'd be fair)...

Groups were assigned:

1,8,9,16
2,7,10,15
3,6,11,14
4,5,12,13

And to the other question, the Top 2 Advance.
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FatBat
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany326 Posts
April 09 2012 23:13 GMT
#26
But then the poll system is a bit off because u can only vote on time. For example zerg group A: Noone cant deny stephano is the "scariest" zerg from all of these. So he will have like 95% of the votes. And the other are kinda decided by some fanboys u give the person like 50 votes. Its not really decided then by the community.
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StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
April 09 2012 23:16 GMT
#27
On April 10 2012 08:13 FatBat wrote:
But then the poll system is a bit off because u can only vote on time. For example zerg group A: Noone cant deny stephano is the "scariest" zerg from all of these. So he will have like 95% of the votes. And the other are kinda decided by some fanboys u give the person like 50 votes. Its not really decided then by the community.


I have to agree, but i am pretty sure you can't do polls on TL with more than one option.
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IMNasty
Profile Joined February 2012
663 Posts
April 09 2012 23:17 GMT
#28
are you trying to make a list at the end or just find the best overall? because a list doesn't work because by selecting the same amount of players between foreigner and korean you are under the assumption that foreigner skill and korean skill levels are equal, which is obviously not true. if you are keeping the comparisons separate then it would work well.

if you want the "scariest player" overall just pick top 5 korean terran/zerg/protoss and have a vote from those
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
April 09 2012 23:19 GMT
#29
Master jane used to be scarry, not now.... Kas!
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
April 09 2012 23:20 GMT
#30
On April 10 2012 08:17 IMNasty wrote:
are you trying to make a list at the end or just find the best overall? because a list doesn't work because by selecting the same amount of players between foreigner and korean you are under the assumption that foreigner skill and korean skill levels are equal, which is obviously not true. if you are keeping the comparisons separate then it would work well.

if you want the "scariest player" overall just pick top 5 korean terran/zerg/protoss and have a vote from those


I guess I'd want to kill more than one bird with one stone, so we can see who the best of each race is, foreign or korean.

On April 10 2012 08:13 FatBat wrote:
But then the poll system is a bit off because u can only vote on time. For example zerg group A: Noone cant deny stephano is the "scariest" zerg from all of these. So he will have like 95% of the votes. And the other are kinda decided by some fanboys u give the person like 50 votes. Its not really decided then by the community.


Overall I don't think it's a huge concern, I think the scariest two will find themselves on top, I agree it isn't perfect, but since there can only be one option this method is better than doing a single elimination because really good players can find themselves out very early.

The other alternative is have two of each poll and total the votes between the two polls, but that is too complicated.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 09 2012 23:22 GMT
#31
Mvp has to be the scariest player ever during his reign of terror during the second half of 2011. MMA looked like he was starting to get there but his TvP is always holding him back. For the first part of 2012 DRG was just absolutely ridiculous. It appeared he had no weak matchups and was crushing people. I think players with potential to become the scariest are Taeja, MKP, and Jjkaji. Taeja is unbeatable in the Korean weekly. Jjakji and MKP are drastically improving their weak matchups. We all say Mvp was "weak" against Protoss, but he still maintained a win rate over 60% in the matchup. I don't think you can call anyone the scariest player when they still have a weak matchup. MMA has the scariest single matchup with his TvZ. It's just fucking incredible. If he fixes his TvP then yes, he will be a candidate imo for scariest player. I just picture "scariest" player as someone who should be heavily favored regardless of matchup. You shouldn't have to say... well so and so is pretty good and x player is kind of weak against that so there is pretty big upset potential. With mvp it was like oh fuck he's playing mvp. 98% liquibets in favor of mvp
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DamnCats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1472 Posts
April 09 2012 23:23 GMT
#32
Pretty sure the scariest is iNcontrol by far. I wouldn't be too scared if MKP confronted me in a dark alley.
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Striker.superfreunde
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany1120 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 23:31:14
April 09 2012 23:29 GMT
#33
It's not possible anymore to vote my favs terran foreigners, so i only write down my opinion:

I think a scary player is a realy hard to estimate one. So i would say Naama and GoOdy are two hard to estimate players. Naama because of his unconventional, but well thougt out one-base all-ins and GoOdy because of his realy not so common mech style and his patience.
Both are having their weaksnesses, but they are also able to play down a standard (not exemplary, but solid) macro game.

I don't know the other terras (or even races) well enough to make a judge about them. so this is only my personal opinion!
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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
April 09 2012 23:35 GMT
#34
On April 10 2012 08:05 ZenithM wrote:
MMA's less than average TvP is here to remind us that Flash still doesn't play SC2.

+ Show Spoiler +
But honestly, if his TvP and TvT were as strong as his TvZ, he would probably be unbeatable until BW S-class switch or something :D

lets not forget Flash's own less than perfect TvP

Foreigner zerg group D -_____- snute too strong

I honestly don't disagree with any of the current ratings... its just harder to say with foregienrs
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Fawkes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1935 Posts
April 09 2012 23:39 GMT
#35
On April 10 2012 08:05 ZenithM wrote:
MMA's less than average TvP is here to remind us that Flash still doesn't play SC2.

+ Show Spoiler +
But honestly, if his TvP and TvT were as strong as his TvZ, he would probably be unbeatable until BW S-class switch or something :D


SC2 TvP is why Flash hasn't switched over obviously!
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Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
April 09 2012 23:47 GMT
#36
On April 10 2012 08:39 Fawkes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 08:05 ZenithM wrote:
MMA's less than average TvP is here to remind us that Flash still doesn't play SC2.

+ Show Spoiler +
But honestly, if his TvP and TvT were as strong as his TvZ, he would probably be unbeatable until BW S-class switch or something :D


SC2 TvP is why Flash hasn't switched over obviously!


Flash would innovate the matchup and go Air-Terran.
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stichtom
Profile Joined March 2011
Italy695 Posts
April 09 2012 23:49 GMT
#37
Sjow > Lucifron
NightEnd > Fraer
Bling > Titan

Are you kidding me ?
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dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
April 09 2012 23:51 GMT
#38
Scariest overall

KOREAN
Terran: MKP
Protoss: Genius
Zerg: DongRaeGu

FOREIGN:
Terran: ThorZaiN
Protoss: HuK
Zerg: Stephano

Most of these aren't really debatable, perhaps T & P for Koreans, especially protoss as there isn't really a dominant player right now, with many good consistent protoss but not GSL champion level.
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HuKPOWA
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1604 Posts
April 10 2012 00:06 GMT
#39
Ugh...these polls are just giant popularity contests :\ doesn't really mean much :\

But it is fun to see who wins <3
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
April 10 2012 00:08 GMT
#40
How is BRAT_OK not winning?

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