EPTCode S Groups - GSL 2012 Season 2 - Page 20
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
On March 20 2012 05:44 Derez wrote: I'm not crazy about the inclusion of Atlantis Spaceship in the mappool. I think maps with gimmicky 3 gas, of which 1 high, expansions need to be avoided. There's no real issue early game, but endgame it swings the balance too much in ZvT. We've just gotten rid of gold bases, do we really need this? Yeah, I don't see how Terran can win lategame TvZ on such a map :/ | ||
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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
On March 20 2012 05:08 purecarnagge wrote: I hope naniwa gets stomped into oblivion via A move to where the GSL never again thinks of seeding him. I find him extremely distasteful and while he's probably more misunderstood his history preceeds him. He's nothing but a mercenary playing the game for $$$. As other posts have already said, you really don't understand Naniwa's mindset at all, he plays for the competitive drive of the game, not for $$$. On March 20 2012 05:42 chosenkerrigan wrote: lol @ all the people who actually think naniwa has a chance to beat MVP in the GSL setting. So cute. What makes the GSL setting so special? The difference is really only a socially constructed difference between any other tournament setting, such as MLG where Naniwa beat MVP. There's plenty of logical points that you could go for, such as perhaps nerves, tournament format/preparation, and whatnot, but you're not making any reasoned point, you're just making a snide comment. I, for one, will be rooting for Naniwa ^^. | ||
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Kees
United States9 Posts
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nanoscorp
United States1237 Posts
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Lennient
497 Posts
On March 20 2012 05:08 purecarnagge wrote: I hope naniwa gets stomped into oblivion via A move to where the GSL never again thinks of seeding him. I find him extremely distasteful and while he's probably more misunderstood his history preceeds him. He's nothing but a mercenary playing the game for $$$. If he wants to play for $$$, he woulda stayed in EU. You don't play in GSL for $$ unless you are Korean. | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
Group A is hopefully going to be a DRG ZvT clinic =D and Naniwa lands in a really hard group; kind of feel bad for the guy :p | ||
Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
On March 20 2012 05:03 Bluerain wrote: Yeah ZvT isnt his weakest matchup necessarily as he was known as a ZvT specialist in his GSTL early days. However, it is his weakest mu statistically which is probably more due to the fact of korean Terrans being TvZ monsters rather than DRG being weak in it. Exactly. If you look at who he's actually lost to: MMA(5 times), sC (3 times), Taeja (2 times), Mvp (1 time), SuperNoVa (2 times), GuMiho (3 times), Happy and Clide (ok that one is a little weird) once each, pretty much everyone he's lost to in Korea is a TvZ beast. He is undefeated against MKP in Korea. He's 1-1 vs Mvp. Only SuperNoVa and MMA have beaten him in a series longer than bo1. He has his lowest win % in this category but the player pretty much responsible for that is MMA. It's like how at one time everyone was like "nestea is so bad at zvt he only has a 54% win rate" back when nestea was still kicking a lot of ass and it was because he had like 12 losses to Mvp. winning percentages can be deceiving | ||
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TearsOfTheSun
Canada995 Posts
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
On March 19 2012 18:00 Zzoram wrote: MC's group looks good for him too, he should advance from that. I'm a big fan of MC's, but his group definitely won't be a cake walk. I give him a 80% chance of beating Virus, 60% chance of beating Nestea, and a 45% chance of Inca. MC's PvP seems to be his worst match up of late and, if anyone remembers, Inca's PvP's what made him a GSL finalist >.> SK.MC FIGHTING!!! | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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Poopi
France13023 Posts
On March 20 2012 05:59 Shellshock1122 wrote: Exactly. If you look at who he's actually lost to: MMA(5 times), sC (3 times), Taeja (2 times), Mvp (1 time), SuperNoVa (2 times), GuMiho (3 times), Happy and Clide (ok that one is a little weird) once each, pretty much everyone he's lost to in Korea is a TvZ beast. He is undefeated against MKP in Korea. He's 1-1 vs Mvp. Only SuperNoVa and MMA have beaten him in a series longer than bo1. He has his lowest win % in this category but the player pretty much responsible for that is MMA. It's like how at one time everyone was like "nestea is so bad at zvt he only has a 54% win rate" back when nestea was still kicking a lot of ass and it was because he had like 12 losses to Mvp. winning percentages can be deceiving He lost against MKP in the first edition of the king of kong I don't remember the name. It's just not counted in TLPD, it's a special event. DRG has such a low percentage in ZvT because he did not play as good in code S as he was supposed to play. This is why he lost repetitively against the likes of SuperNova and didn't make a splash until last season. His current ZvT skill is very high and percentages doesn't mean anything out of context. For example Happy has a very high TvZ percentage, but most of his wins were against relatively average code A players, a long time ago before the blue flame nerf and all he was doing was some weird hellions opening into mech and maybe some bio games. This is why I was not surprised when he lost badly against July, I knew his TvZ wasn't anything special and even though it was on crossfire (hard for T in TvZ) I don't think that he would have beaten July in a more normal map. | ||
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thrawn1020
United States32 Posts
On March 20 2012 06:02 ShatterZer0 wrote: I'm a big fan of MC's, but his group definitely won't be a cake walk. I give him a 80% chance of beating Virus, 60% chance of beating Nestea, and a 45% chance of Inca. MC's PvP seems to be his worst match up of late and, if anyone remembers, Inca's PvP's what made him a GSL finalist >.> SK.MC FIGHTING!!! When I read that, my first thought was zomg 45% chance against Inca!? That's way too high......oh, wait. It's PvP, anything can happen, even without Bel'Shir Beach. And it is Inca, and he does make DT's, and mayyyyyyyyybe, just maybe, MC won't make detection. fwiw, though, if anyone has a 60% shot at Nestea in a BoX series, MC would be the one. I'm going to be absolutely dumbfounded if Virus makes it out of that group. Unfortunately, Inca is also in that group, and I'd be absolutely even more dumbfounded if Inca makes it out. And even though I won't say any group is a "sure thing", it does pain me to know that if MC/Nestea don't win out, I'll be subjected to more DT's in the round of 16. Hell, I hope if MC/Prof T doesn't make it out, that Virus is the one. It doesn't ensure him a Code S slot, there will still be time to knock him into Code A, so he can fail at the Up and Downs without making the round of 16 worse. | ||
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purecarnagge
719 Posts
On March 20 2012 05:50 Lennient wrote: If he wants to play for $$$, he woulda stayed in EU. You don't play in GSL for $$ unless you are Korean. or you want a korean vacation for 2-3 months while you get better and stay relevent there by increasing your value/earnings when you go to another team/contract. Being able to say you were in the GSL code S for 2-3 seasons is a gold mine from a foreigners perspective. Its not an instant payout but succeeding in the GSL is a long term successful decision. Its like when TL picks up a player. That player will always be worth more and make more $$$ streaming etc and being apart of the TL community. Its not always an instant win/graitfication. I really do think Naniwa is a mercenary. He doesnt play well with others, and he cares about winning because winning = getting paid. Being in Korea allows him to get better, and play against a higher level of competition on a more regular basis. 2 months in korea is > 2 months in EU as far as assisting your skill level. If he cared about the game, being an professional or having a passion for the game he wouldn't probe rush on a TV match. It was a moronic thing to do and I didn't pay to see that shit. I don't care how butthurt your f'n ego is. | ||
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Tarotis
Germany1931 Posts
On March 20 2012 06:47 purecarnagge wrote: or you want a korean vacation for 2-3 months while you get better and stay relevent there by increasing your value/earnings when you go to another team/contract. Being able to say you were in the GSL code S for 2-3 seasons is a gold mine from a foreigners perspective. Its not an instant payout but succeeding in the GSL is a long term successful decision. Its like when TL picks up a player. That player will always be worth more and make more $$$ streaming etc and being apart of the TL community. Its not always an instant win/graitfication. I really do think Naniwa is a mercenary. He doesnt play well with others, and he cares about winning because winning = getting paid. Being in Korea allows him to get better, and play against a higher level of competition on a more regular basis. 2 months in korea is > 2 months in EU as far as assisting your skill level. If he cared about the game, being an professional or having a passion for the game he wouldn't probe rush on a TV match. It was a moronic thing to do and I didn't pay to see that shit. I don't care how butthurt your f'n ego is. Mercenaries "fight" because of the money. NaNiwa plays because he wants to become the best. | ||
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Roth
Germany165 Posts
Todays he seems to be the strongest Zerg all over the world an that's why it's up to him to increase his ZvT win ratio and not to disappoint his fans  | ||
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gradotude
United States196 Posts
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Lovedoll
Japan540 Posts
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