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Taeja Leaving Slayers?
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Ace1123
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Mementoss
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 WHY?? QQ | ||
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Micro_Jackson
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 Just kidding kind of wondering he looked pretty good last times Good luck ! | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:27 whiteLotus wrote: whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month? On FXOBoss's tumblr he made a post saying that Koreans thought that foreign players got loads and loads of money. So I guess so. | ||
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whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month? I think this in combination with foreign teams sending their players to many foreign tournaments (korean teams dont have that much money) is the main reason for many korean players to look for foreign teams. In Korea there is only the GSL but there are much more foreign tournaments in which they have better chances to win money then in GSL Code S. | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:27 whiteLotus wrote: whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month? Well that's almost true. Just look at puma for example | ||
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Just my Opinion though :D | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:31 AlternativeEgo wrote: C'mon Empire, you know you want to! I think it's EG's turn at a Korean again, been a while since they accuired PuMa. ;D On March 12 2012 22:32 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: hope this doesn't incur another Jessica shitstorm =/ You can almost count on it. | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:27 whiteLotus wrote: whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month? Probably not but the alternative is staying with SlayerS who pays them little to nothing at all. While they might be better off staying with SlayerS in the long run, the competition in so fierce in Korea and only the big dogs are making any money at all. Taeja can work to improve and hope for that big tournament win one day, or he can go to a foreign team, get a guaranteed income for at least a year while still competing for the trophies. Such offer is hard to decline. | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:27 whiteLotus wrote: whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month? Well 10k is a bit much but yes, they do think we are gold mines. Most of these people don't even have a salary, and if they do it's minimal, can't blame them tbh. | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:32 Cokefreak wrote: I think it's EG's turn at a Korean again, been a while since they accuired PuMa. ;D You can almost count on it. My god, it's the cold war arms race all over again. O_O | ||
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RPR_Tempest
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Liquid actually does need another Terran. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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 But seriously another Terran besides Jinro would be great to have more racial variety | ||
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Seraphone
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Taeja is really good and is well liked by the foreign community and he plays Terran which Liquid need. | ||
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KanoCoke
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But this is probably why SlayerS is holding a draft in the first place, as they need more Code S or champion caliber players in their team. As of this moment, it's only Puzzle, MMA, Ryung, Coca and GanZi. | ||
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Azurues
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thankfully, they still have top top level players in their pocket tightly seal somewhere | ||
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Lysanias
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On March 12 2012 22:34 zdfgucker wrote: Joke's on people like him if ever major BW teams switch over. Then again you never know if they actually sign any previous SC2 players. What would he miss then ? The signing is usualy for 1 year on a contract, if he is good enough any major BW team would take him after it. It's not like he can never go back to a korean team. | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:29 Apollo_Shards wrote: On FXOBoss's tumblr he made a post saying that Koreans thought that foreign players got loads and loads of money. So I guess so. Also maybe the hope that, "if I'm on a foreign team, they can pay for my trip to a foreign LAN". Also if they do well in enough foreign events, GOM will give them a code S seed and then they can take part in a single season of a GSL without having to qualify for code A, then winning Code A so that they can participate in Code S in the next season. (Taeja is in Code S right now, though). | ||
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Ckalvin
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Why should starcraft be any different? | ||
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Meridian.
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On March 12 2012 22:27 whiteLotus wrote: whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month? I imagine most of the Koreans that have joined foreign teams have gotten better pay and a lot more chances to travel to tournaments abroad to make their living. Outside of losing the steady practice environment, I don't see how this isn't better for players like Taeja. | ||
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tDKyou
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Childplay
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Asha
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That said I hope he doesn't go to a team I dislike TT | ||
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MaNaVoId
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Edit: Hope he goes to Teamliquid as teamliquid doesnt have a single top terran yet. | ||
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Lysanias
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On March 12 2012 22:38 tDKyou wrote: Join Quantic or Mouz maybe? Would not be suprised if CoL picked him up  | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:38 tDKyou wrote: Join Quantic or Mouz maybe? Taeja is too good mannered to join quantic, please join teamliquid! | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:27 whiteLotus wrote: whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month? i think these are the top3 reasons koreans are joining foreigner teams 1 get sent to lan events 2 increased fan base (more viewers when they stream, plus everyone likes fans etc, also leads to more invites in tours) 3 money so i think the biggest reason is to get sent to tournaments rather than the money theyd get from salary | ||
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Cokefreak
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They just got NaDa, Heart and Killer T_T | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:29 USvBleakill wrote: Go for it Victor! Liquid needs more Terrans Just kidding kind of wondering he looked pretty good last times Good luck ! Taeja would be a pretty cool pickup for TL! They really need a super strong Terran, and if he were to live in the oGs house, I'm super it'd help out Jinro too. | ||
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Cokefreak
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On March 12 2012 22:42 Cush wrote: I think it's EG's turn at a Korean again, been a while since they accuired PuMa. ;D JYP? Besides, Liquid needs another good Terran if they can afford it. Oh right, forgot about him, well then it has to be TL, please please pretty please | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:43 Leetley wrote: Dirty cash. :p You do know that people need to make a living right? | ||
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Bagi
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I guess he was already kinda separate from the core team, so it doesn't surprise me that he would go for a foreign team. | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:31 theBALLS wrote: Well that's almost true. Just look at puma for example Or huk or idra for that matter. Of course if you ask huk, the best way to earn money easy is to go caster. Anyways, looking forward to see what team he will end up with. | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:44 MaNaVoId wrote: You do know that people need to make a living right? Of course, I was just being silly. Good luck to Taeja. | ||
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CygnusAres
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Plus, Slayers and TL have the same blue colour shirt. | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:33 Lysanias wrote: Well 10k is a bit much but yes, they do think we are gold mines. Most of these people don't even have a salary, and if they do it's minimal, can't blame them tbh. yup i prob would do the same | ||
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Noocta
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I hope he find a good team, he's really good. | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:35 KanoCoke wrote: Well, Taeja never went to the SlayerS team house after his debut performance at the GSTL with his all-kill, if I recall clearly. He's been distant from the team for a long time, even despite helping teammates out in practice. But this is probably why SlayerS is holding a draft in the first place, as they need more Code S or champion caliber players in their team. As of this moment, it's only Puzzle, MMA, Ryung, Coca and GanZi. Didn't GanZi leave slayerS for IM? | ||
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other way around | ||
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On March 12 2012 23:00 LeLfe wrote: EGTaeja, there have been rumours of EG getting one of SlayerS Terrans for a while, thought it was going to be Ryung though! Can't really see EG picking up TaeJa considering they already have demuslim and PuMa. | ||
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MaNaVoId
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On March 12 2012 23:03 Enzymatic wrote: Can't really see EG picking up TaeJa considering they already have demuslim and PuMa. Why not? If there is only 1 thing that EG has, it will be money. | ||
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winthrop
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into Liquid for more every chance to join foreign tournaments. (he was the best player b4 zenio joins)_ | ||
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On March 12 2012 23:07 Canas wrote: Salary vs no salary, it's not exactly a very tough choice. Korean teams are really going to have to start paying their players or this is just going to keep happening. its not just that, its that in korea its GSL and nothing else In america and EU theres MLG, DH, IEM, NASL, IPL and then all these small daily cups and what not, theres just more chance to make money. GSL is probably the hardest tournament that happens (except maybe providence MLG, that was stacked) and yet i THINK it doesnt give the biggest reward for first? cant blame them cant see it being long before hes on another team either | ||
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Testuser
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((( Taeja is so fucking talented ... if he stays on Slayers, he'll progress so much faster than on another team, I think ... Damn | ||
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blamekilly
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Korea = minor league with major league talent. Rest of the world = major league with minor league talent. with so many people leaving for foreign teams, it really hurts SC2 in Korea... Why isn't SC2 making money in Korea? Is it because BW is still around? EDIT: I think this pretty much tells you how much SC2 is struggling in Korea. SlayerS, arguably the most popular/sponsored/successful, team in Korea is losing their player to a foreign team. Kespa needs to make an sc2 league soon. :> | ||
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On March 12 2012 23:10 ThatGuy89 wrote: its not just that, its that in korea its GSL and nothing else In america and EU theres MLG, DH, IEM, NASL, IPL and then all these small daily cups and what not, theres just more chance to make money. GSL is probably the hardest tournament that happens (except maybe providence MLG, that was stacked) and yet i THINK it doesnt give the biggest reward for first? cant blame them cant see it being long before hes on another team either Not to mention all the cups and smaller, local tournaments and invitationals. Also, players gain a lot of experience attending several live events and garner a lot of publicity. | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:32 Cokefreak wrote: I think it's EG's turn at a Korean again, been a while since they accuired PuMa. ;D You can almost count on it. JYP...? Seems almost every player to leave a Korean team lately is leaving Slayers. Which is the very last team I'd expect people to want to leave... | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:27 whiteLotus wrote: whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month? Yes, FXOBoss wrote that in his Blog some months ago... | ||
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bluQ
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Playion taeja's EU acc into decent MMR, which would mean EU team? | ||
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EDIT: Fnatic would probably be great too. | ||
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Zealot Orgy
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It's the Korean Hwanni tried to get to Fnatic. | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:32 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: hope this doesn't incur another Jessica shitstorm =/ Probably not since Jessica's problem from my understanding was that Dragon was being "dishonest" in his reasoning for leaving the team, saying that he wanted to stop playing, and then joining a foreign team. I'm not too thrilled about the amount of Koreans that leave their teams to join the foreign scene. There's probably a ton of completely unkown Koreans that could just come to NA/EU, and wreck faces while they aren't earning anything in Korea. Hopefully that changes with time somehow. | ||
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zezamer
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Kinda no brainer | ||
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Xalorian
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EG team house in Korea : soon. That, or Fnatic. | ||
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Ckalvin
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On March 12 2012 23:46 Xalorian wrote: I'm not so sure if EG have the money for another player... but they kinda lack a Terran, that's for sure. And since they have a partnership with SlayerS... EG team house in Korea : soon. That, or Fnatic. I would've thought one terran MONSTER in PuMa would be enough for EG.... | ||
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MaNaVoId
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On March 12 2012 23:46 Xalorian wrote: I'm not so sure if EG have the money for another player... but they kinda lack a Terran, that's for sure. And since they have a partnership with SlayerS... That, or Fnatic. I dunno what you are talking about, but the best player in EG is a terran. The only thing they need is a good zerg player since idra cant even be considered a top tier player among foreigners as shown by his recent performance. | ||
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On March 12 2012 23:48 supsun wrote: Maybe he wants to learn English better and by being on a foreign team he will learn more. I can't imagine hill leaving a tram due to sheer greed. There must be something else. I mean, HuK left TL because of the training house. ROFL. Huk left TL because of training house? I thought it was because the decimal was moved 1 spot to the right. A foreign team for Taeja is not bad because he doesn't live in a team house anyways. His parents don't want him to leave the house so he can just play from home and go to foreign events and make money... so nothing really changes for him except he gets more opportunity to make money. | ||
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On March 12 2012 23:52 Mantraz wrote: While slayers is possibly the best training enviroment for any Terran, i guess being the ace of another team or just their best terran simply is too tempting compared to being part of the boxer/mma/ryung/ganzi powerhouse. That and the fact that there probably will be a bit more money in it for him. yeah playn with the best terran players doe not benefit you at all but yeah i think its more the money aspect then anything else assuming this story is true | ||
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ES.Genie
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Hopefully he finds a team that appreciates and promotes his insane talent. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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If EG picks him up: "Dirty cash, mercenaries, how could you!, etc." If any other foreign team picks him up: "What a great opportunity for both Taeja and Team X! Good luck!" Just gonna point it out now. Also, very sad that the Korean players on the Korean teams aren't making enough that they feel pressured to move on solely for monetary reasons. The cultural "family" outlook of a team is obviously a comforting one (and true, to some extent), but it's always sobering when you need to recognize that players have to make money at the end of the day. It's their job. Taeja's frickin good at this game, and hopefully he finds a team that can take care of him in whatever ways he thinks is necessary. Best of luck to him, SlayerS, and Taeja's new team in the future | ||
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ShatterZer0
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Must be good money, hopefully he left on good terms with SlayerS tho'... Don't want another Jessica explosion. | ||
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mrRoflpwn
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On March 12 2012 22:27 whiteLotus wrote: whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month? Yes- actually they do think so. There was a post about this a while ago from FXOBOSS- | ||
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I wonder which team he signed up with... | ||
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On March 12 2012 23:55 blamekilly wrote: ROFL. Huk left TL because of training house? I thought it was because the decimal was moved 1 spot to the right. A foreign team for Taeja is not bad because he doesn't live in a team house anyways. His parents don't want him to leave the house so he can just play from home and go to foreign events and make money... so nothing really changes for him except he gets more opportunity to make money. Yeah the offer HuK couldn't refuse was the EG training house. | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:27 whiteLotus wrote: whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month? No. In korea, while they are better the tournament scene is actually a lot worse for the players, because there is just GSL holding tournaments and it's really hard most to compete. Just look at sc2earnings, in korea they earn a lot less in average, if you don't count the few top players who has won gsl's. Outside of korea there is more tournaments to succeed in, and more space for showing your skills than in the GSL, also most korean teams has financial issues(I remember MVP and Nestea talking about the IM team having many issues, and many of their teammates who didn't have as much money as they had at least considered leaving the team). | ||
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On March 13 2012 00:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Makes me sad as a SlayerS fan, but this is what we'll eventually see: If EG picks him up: "Dirty cash, mercenaries, how could you!, etc." If any other foreign team picks him up: "What a great opportunity for both Taeja and Team X! Good luck!" Just gonna point it out now. Also, very sad that the Korean players on the Korean teams aren't making enough that they feel pressured to move on solely for monetary reasons. The cultural "family" outlook of a team is obviously a comforting one (and true, to some extent), but it's always sobering when you need to recognize that players have to make money at the end of the day. It's their job. Taeja's frickin good at this game, and hopefully he finds a team that can take care of him in whatever ways he thinks is necessary. Best of luck to him, SlayerS, and Taeja's new team in the future That's pretty much how it will always be. Everyone will come in here screaming about how EG poached another player, blah blah blah. | ||
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but damn, i wish korean teams would wise up so they can keep their best players :/ | ||
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And he was in Slayers which is probably the team with the best sponsors in korea so i can't imagine how bad the rest of the teams are doing. | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:29 USvBleakill wrote: Go for it Victor! Liquid needs more Terrans Just kidding kind of wondering he looked pretty good last times Good luck ! no fuck you jinro is all the terran TL will need. I believe Jinro. He will be the first GSL Code S Champion | ||
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On March 13 2012 00:30 TemujinGK wrote: no fuck you jinro is all the terran TL will need. I believe Jinro. He will be the first GSL Code S Champion I think we've already had a couple o.O Mouz or TL could use a Terran. | ||
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On March 12 2012 22:27 whiteLotus wrote: whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month? Much less work, much more money. Easy decision. | ||
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On March 13 2012 00:35 blamekilly wrote: Foreign teams need top stop whispering into player's ears when they attend foreign tournaments. Oh good, accusations already! | ||
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blackone
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That's not an accusation. At least in the case of PuMa, that's exactly what happened. | ||
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naniwa/SaSe/TaeJa to stronK. | ||
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On March 13 2012 00:38 blackone wrote: That's not an accusation. At least in the case of PuMa, that's exactly what happened. I thought the thread title was "Taeja Leaving Slayers?" and not "PuMa's hide gets poached?" My mistake. lol. His comment should be relevant to Taeja. | ||
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On March 13 2012 00:38 BritWrangler wrote: OH NO TAEJA HAS LEFT SLAYERS!!!!....does anybody actually give a shit? ...Yes? A lot of us are fans of both SlayerS and Taeja, and we're sad to see them part ways. | ||
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On March 13 2012 00:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I thought the thread title was "Taeja Leaving Slayers?" and not "PuMa's hide gets poached?" My mistake. lol. His comment should be relevant to Taeja. It's relevant. Puma first foreign tournament, leaves for foreign team. Taeja first foreign tournament, leaves for foreign team. :> | ||
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On March 13 2012 00:45 B.I.G. wrote: interesting. I for one think this is an exciting development, as it reminds me of football (soccer for you yanks). Players from all over the world are being drawn to the teams with money. I think this is a development that will help ensure the future of e-sports. Edit: good point, very true | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On March 13 2012 00:45 blamekilly wrote: It's relevant. Puma first foreign tournament, leaves for foreign team. Taeja first foreign tournament, leaves for foreign team. :> Puma has four letters in it, while Taeja has five letters. As you can see from my argument, which is just as relevant as yours, there's simply no chance that these two share the exact same mindset. Also, take into account the countless other Koreans who played a foreign tournament and didn't switch teams soon after. That's not to say that there couldn't exist a coincidence for both Puma and Taeja to have similar stories (which we'll eventually find out about), but it's ridiculous to preemptively accuse foreign teams of stealing Taeja from SlayerS before we know anything about... well, anything! Unless you have an outside source you'd like to share? | ||
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Bagration
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On March 13 2012 00:43 SniXSniPe wrote: Things like this make me worried for the future of "foreign" teams. Why pick up a NA/EU player when you can get a Korean who is much more skilled? Exactly. But you can't really blame them, as it is a no-brainer. Let's look at 2 teamless Terrans right now, Taeja and Sjow. If you are building a team, who would you rather have on the team, assuming you pay them comparable salaries? It's definitely not a knock on Sjow, as I believe he is definitely a top foreigner and has survived Code A's elimination round. But Taeja is so much better than anything the foreign scene has at the moment. I actually do not want to see Taeja on a major foreign team, as I would like to see him on a smaller one. Unlikely yes, but it would be nice to see him help carry a minor foreign team into major relevance. I would have liked to see him stay on Slayers, but how about...vileTaeja? | ||
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dizzy101
Netherlands2066 Posts
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zEnVy
United States446 Posts
On March 13 2012 00:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Puma has four letters in it, while Taeja has five letters. As you can see from my argument, which is just as relevant as yours, there's simply no chance that these two share the exact same mindset. Also, take into account the countless other Koreans who played a foreign tournament and didn't switch teams soon after. That's not to say that there couldn't exist a coincidence for both Puma and Taeja to have similar stories (which we'll eventually find out about), but it's ridiculous to preemptively accuse foreign teams of stealing Taeja from SlayerS before we know anything about... well, anything! Unless you have an outside source you'd like to share? You can't measure or calculate their "mindset", your argument is completely speculative, making it awfully weak. I find the coincidence to be a little too convenient. | ||
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SC2NeCro
Canada507 Posts
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JustPassingBy
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On March 13 2012 00:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Puma has four letters in it, while Taeja has five letters. As you can see from my argument, which is just as relevant as yours, there's simply no chance that these two share the exact same mindset. Also, take into account the countless other Koreans who played a foreign tournament and didn't switch teams soon after. That's not to say that there couldn't exist a coincidence for both Puma and Taeja to have similar stories (which we'll eventually find out about), but it's ridiculous to preemptively accuse foreign teams of stealing Taeja from SlayerS before we know anything about... well, anything! Unless you have an outside source you'd like to share? I don't really want to join in on this discussion, I just have a quick question out of curiosity: What foreign tournament did Taeja participate in? Because I cannot remember anything. | ||
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Balgrog
United States1221 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On March 13 2012 01:03 JustPassingBy wrote: I don't really want to join in on this discussion, I just have a quick question out of curiosity: What foreign tournament did Taeja participate in? Because I cannot remember anything. He was at Assembly Winter. He lost to Polt in the first round of the playoffs. He dominated his group tho. | ||
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fortheGG
United Kingdom1002 Posts
On March 12 2012 22:29 Apollo_Shards wrote: On FXOBoss's tumblr he made a post saying that Koreans thought that foreign players got loads and loads of money. So I guess so. More like how its the only way non a-teamers get to go to events and make 'ez pz' foreign money. | ||
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anApple
Singapore275 Posts
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
That said I hope noone picks him up, Korean players (for the most part) may win but they sure as hell are shitty at being interesting characters and being relatable like most foreigners are. | ||
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ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
maybe demuslim needs a good terran to practice with/get advice off so he can go from being awesome to being fucking awesome! :D | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On March 13 2012 00:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Puma has four letters in it, while Taeja has five letters. As you can see from my argument, which is just as relevant as yours, there's simply no chance that these two share the exact same mindset. Also, take into account the countless other Koreans who played a foreign tournament and didn't switch teams soon after. That's not to say that there couldn't exist a coincidence for both Puma and Taeja to have similar stories (which we'll eventually find out about), but it's ridiculous to preemptively accuse foreign teams of stealing Taeja from SlayerS before we know anything about... well, anything! Unless you have an outside source you'd like to share? Well FXOBoss did rant on this last week (when it happened to one of his players) saying that Koreans are approached at nearly every foreign tournament. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Taeja was as well. | ||
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Stanlot
United States5742 Posts
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Leifish
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On March 13 2012 01:06 bmml wrote: fnatic probably going to drop their CS/dota2 teams after contract what with carn retiring and their dota2 team being shit, wouldnt suprise me if they pick him up. Try typing that again? I can't make sense of it. I hope Taeja gets picked up by Liquid or SK. Would be pretty awesome to see him as MC's sidekick in globetrotting. | ||
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Sajaki
Canada1135 Posts
On March 13 2012 01:00 SC2NeCro wrote: EG.Taeja I would get very giggly if that were true. Unfortunately i kinda feel bad for slayers... -__- Best wishes to TaeJa! | ||
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
On March 13 2012 00:54 zEnVy wrote: You can't measure or calculate their "mindset", your argument is completely speculative, making it awfully weak. I find the coincidence to be a little too convenient. During assembly, taeja mostly stayed with the Korean pros, and except for TL and Empire, I didn't see any manager during the winter assembly, and I didn't see BumbleBee or th Empire guy (sorry I forgot your nick) being overcaring with Taeja as they were more focused on their own players. A reasonable theory would be to assume that Taeja really enjoyed his trip (I think he did, as we exchanged a few words on the saturday evening) and simply realized that his opporunity to travel more was to join another team as the competition among slayers' members is pretty insane and he can become the ace in a lot of good teams. Anyway Taeja is a discreet but really nice guy so I hope he gets a really good team! | ||
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Haustka
United States221 Posts
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blamekilly
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On March 13 2012 01:04 Noocta wrote: He was at Assembly Winter. He lost to Polt in the first round of the playoffs. He dominated his group tho. If they decide to join a foreign team a couple weeks or months after attending a foreign tournament, it wouldn't be quite as obvious but joining or attempting to join one only days after coming back makes it all too obvious if you ask me.. | ||
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Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
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JayJay_90
Germany1632 Posts
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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stickyhands
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why: because the Millenium manager said that Dragon was just a 1st recruit and he wanted to get a stronger player... | ||
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
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Soma Cruz
United States209 Posts
I can feel it. | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
On March 13 2012 01:20 stickyhands wrote: maybe Millenium - taeja... why: because the Millenium manager said that Dragon was just a 1st recruit and he wanted to get a stronger player... That would be so fucking sick. Now that would be a good ZvT training partner for Stephano XD | ||
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On March 13 2012 01:06 bmml wrote: fnatic probably going to drop their CS/dota2 teams after contract what with carn retiring and their dota2 team being shit, wouldnt suprise me if they pick him up. That said I hope noone picks him up, Korean players (for the most part) may win but they sure as hell are shitty at being interesting characters and being relatable like most foreigners are. "They no bad manner, they no interessting. Me want no gg. Many drama." Yes sir, you are dumb. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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dezi
Germany1536 Posts
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HaXXspetten
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43947 Posts
On March 13 2012 00:54 zEnVy wrote: You can't measure or calculate their "mindset", your argument is completely speculative, making it awfully weak. I find the coincidence to be a little too convenient. Thank you for proving my point. There should be some evidence before the accusation. It's not a coincidence yet, because countless other Korean players have joined foreign tournaments and haven't immediately left their Korean teams for foreigner teams (let alone on immoral terms). We need information first before we claim that Taeja's new head coach is an immoral jerk who stole Taeja from SlayerS using underhanded/ imperfect tactics. Let's wait before making a big deal out of yet another thing. | ||
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supsun
United Kingdom343 Posts
On March 13 2012 00:46 creamer wrote: Unfortunate for SlayerS. Any SlayerS terran will have no trouble finding a team. I really dislike Quantic because of Naniwa so all I hope is that he doesn't go there. Edit: good point, very true You seem still very butt hurt about the probe rush | ||
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gladsheim
Australia676 Posts
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
On March 12 2012 22:27 whiteLotus wrote: whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month? Maybe a bro just wants to get out of Korea and score some cute blonde chicks while munching on cheeseburgers and be free in the land of freedom. Don't hate. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1597 Posts
On March 12 2012 22:27 whiteLotus wrote: whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month? You're looking at it the wrong way. Join foreign team gains you... Monthly paycheck which is infinitly larger than Korean team's patcheck b/c you get paid nothing. Flights to foreign events. Still practice in Koran team house b/c most foreign teams have deals with Korean teams. They're not looking for the "gold mine" they're looking for a better deal and almost all foreign teams provide that better deal. | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
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Vaelom
Korea (South)154 Posts
Taeja will most likely join a foreign team no problem imo. | ||
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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
On March 12 2012 23:10 ThatGuy89 wrote: its not just that, its that in korea its GSL and nothing else In america and EU theres MLG, DH, IEM, NASL, IPL and then all these small daily cups and what not, theres just more chance to make money. GSL is probably the hardest tournament that happens (except maybe providence MLG, that was stacked) and yet i THINK it doesnt give the biggest reward for first? cant blame them cant see it being long before hes on another team either Never ever compare Providence to GSL... especially with that seeding rofl ... lose 2 bo3's and win 1 and become top 8. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
Sad to see, Taeja was a pretty solid player to have in any line-up. | ||
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Rylaji
Sweden580 Posts
On March 12 2012 22:32 Cokefreak wrote: I think it's EG's turn at a Korean again, been a while since they accuired PuMa. ;D You can almost count on it. They got JYP too =/ | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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starfish
United States102 Posts
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On March 13 2012 01:33 Vaelom wrote: Taeja joining liquid = documentary being delayed more T_T even tho i'd like it to happend I still cant wait for it :D! Taeja will most likely join a foreign team no problem imo. TL's koreans are a bit different though, partnership with oGs play's the main factor, i doubt they would recruit Taeja and rather recruit oGs players if they both think it's good for both party's. Also Taeja is going to be picked up in a blink this guy is good, TL has a budget, EG, CoL, Qantic all seem higher budget teams i am sure he would get a better deal with them. Just theory offcourse, who knows | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On March 12 2012 22:32 Cokefreak wrote: I think it's EG's turn at a Korean again, been a while since they accuired PuMa. ;D You can almost count on it. What about JYP? | ||
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
On March 13 2012 01:24 ES.Genie wrote: "They no bad manner, they no interessting. Me want no gg. Many drama." Yes sir, you are dumb. If you think its all about bad manner you sir are the dumb one. Look at Sheth for example his stream was a great insight into what a great guy he is and his interaction with his fans is superb, as a marketable character he far exceeds "really good korean whos only interaction with fans is 'I have shamed my fans I shall practice harder and do better next time'". Calling me dumb for voicing my opinions on who I enjoy watching and following is fucking retarded. | ||
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Azhrei16
United States284 Posts
On March 13 2012 01:41 Micket wrote: Might actually be EG. Incontrol hinted on a signing in inside the game a few weeks ago. Do you happen to know which episode? I have missed a few of them in the past month or so. | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
GL!!!!!!!! | ||
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
On March 13 2012 01:38 aintz wrote: the goal of most progamers is money. so no suprise here You mean PROgamers want to make money in their job? my whole world just collapsed | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
Taeja has left SlayerS, I confirmed with Jessica and Cella like a week or two ago. Edit: Also anyone calling Teaja stupid for leaving SlayerS has no idea what they are talking about. He had minimal practice with the team, and management never gave him the respect he deserves. Idk if this is why he left, but it's what I observed in my time when he was on SlayerS. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On March 13 2012 01:46 Diamond wrote: I don't know why this took so long to get out... Taeja has left SlayerS, I confirmed with Jessica and Cella. Edit: Also anyone calling Teaja stupid for leaving SlayerS has no idea what they are talking about. He had minimal practice with the team, and management never gave him the respect he deserves. Idk if this is why he left, but it's what I observed in my time when he was on SlayerS. I think a lot of people don't realize how little support some players on the SlayerS roster get. They have such a large talent pool that it's impossible to give them all the support/attention etc. they want in a team. | ||
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blamekilly
466 Posts
On March 13 2012 01:46 Diamond wrote: I don't know why this took so long to get out... Taeja has left SlayerS, I confirmed with Jessica and Cella. Edit: Also anyone calling Teaja stupid for leaving SlayerS has no idea what they are talking about. He had minimal practice with the team, and management never gave him the respect he deserves. Idk if this is why he left, but it's what I observed in my time when he was on SlayerS. How can they give him the "respect he deserves" when he doesn't even want to be at their team house? | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
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Fubi
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On March 12 2012 22:35 KanoCoke wrote: Well, Taeja never went to the SlayerS team house after his debut performance at the GSTL with his all-kill, if I recall clearly. He's been distant from the team for a long time, even despite helping teammates out in practice. But this is probably why SlayerS is holding a draft in the first place, as they need more Code S or champion caliber players in their team. As of this moment, it's only Puzzle, MMA, Ryung, Coca and GanZi. yea it's ONLY those 5 <_< can't even think of another team that has that deep of a roster | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On March 13 2012 01:53 blamekilly wrote: How can they give him the "respect he deserves" when he doesn't even want to be at their team house? I'm sorry are you aware that NesTea and MvP don't live at their teams houses? Should they get respect? Living at a team house is not everything, and Taeja was putting out results better then anyone besides MMA not even in the team house. | ||
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blamekilly
466 Posts
On March 13 2012 01:54 stratmatt wrote: Teams like slayers seem to have a tendency to hold back players they feel are 'not ready' for the bigtime. I can easily see why gosu terrans such as dragon or Taeja would be exploring other options. They see what happens to their other countrymen who play for foreign teams and they want in on the action too. Cant say I blame them. Look at how things have ended up for Puma, he was nowhere to be seen when he was TSL. That's the a problem throughout Korea, not just big teams like SlayerS. They can't afford the $1k+ it cost to send players to foreign tournaments, at least not for anyone besides the top 1-2 player on the team. | ||
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Ollie
United States144 Posts
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CarlosOmse
Germany507 Posts
or play for or foreign tem hwere u are the superstar ? easy choice i think espacially on how much koreans focus on beeing a star and putting on a show for their fans | ||
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midftw
Canada170 Posts
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On March 13 2012 01:42 bmml wrote: If you think its all about bad manner you sir are the dumb one. Look at Sheth for example his stream was a great insight into what a great guy he is and his interaction with his fans is superb, as a marketable character he far exceeds "really good korean whos only interaction with fans is 'I have shamed my fans I shall practice harder and do better next time'". Calling me dumb for voicing my opinions on who I enjoy watching and following is fucking retarded. No it's extremely retarded to call all Korean players boring characters. Don't try to make racist bullshit sound resonable. It's not. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On March 13 2012 02:00 songohan wrote: SK.Taeja would sound nice didnt think about that, great idea, either liquid or SK please | ||
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Fubi
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CaF-Lunar
Germany126 Posts
On March 13 2012 02:03 Fubi wrote: lol how ironic, I can totally see one day in the near future, all these "foreign" teams would be full of Koreans as their core line up That´s kinda right, i feel like foreign teams are only interested in koreans at the moment because of the skill, and koreans only in foreign teams because of the money. I think it´s important to have at least one non-korean in every foreign team for the balance, but well, that is just my opinion. | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
On March 13 2012 02:08 YoiChiBow wrote: wtf Taeja... isn't he code S as well? yes he is | ||
Seeker
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Azhrei16
United States284 Posts
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Jedclark
United Kingdom903 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43947 Posts
On March 13 2012 02:16 Azhrei16 wrote: I figured Liquid would sign Sjow since he just beat Zenio and Hero the other day ^_^ "You have bested our Koreans... you are clearly worthy." | ||
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SnowandLights
United Kingdom50 Posts
On March 13 2012 02:03 Fubi wrote: lol how ironic, I can totally see one day in the near future, all these "foreign" teams would be full of Koreans as their core line up Which is basically what happened with Warcraft 3 with the exception of a couple of teams. | ||
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
It's not going to be EG, because I might have heard about plans from their stream, that they are looking for a Zerg. It's not SK, as this would seem a little strange. I think they are more into MC'esque players. It would seem strange having only 2 players and one of them is just quiet/not as marketable as MC. It's probably Fanatic, Dignitas or Empire. Probably Empire (pretty small player amount). | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43947 Posts
On March 13 2012 02:22 Hardigan wrote: It's not goint to be TL. They only take away players from oGs. It's not going to be EG, because I might have heard about plans from their stream, that they are looking for a Zerg. It's not SK, as this would seem a little strange. I think they are more into MC'esque players. It would seem strange having only 2 players and one of them is just quiet/not as marketable as MC. It's probably Fanatic, Dignitas or Empire. Probably Empire (pretty small player amount). You think Empire's going to take another Terran? | ||
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
On March 13 2012 02:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: You think Empire's going to take another Terran? I can definetly see that. They are like Slayers: The more T the beTTer | ||
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starslayer
United States696 Posts
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ShakkaFL
Norway647 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On March 13 2012 02:32 ShakkaFL wrote: makes no sense to leave the best team for terrans..... Please read my previous posts. Is made perfect sense and I for one was not surprised 1% when this went down. | ||
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Shardz
United States349 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On March 13 2012 02:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: You think Empire's going to take another Terran? Why not? If a player like Taeja is available, everyone should be looking to get him on their team. And you never know what's going on behind the scenes, maybe they'll have to replace someone. Plus, Hardigan is right, since Welmu left, Empire has a really small player amount, they would do well to hire some more. | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
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JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
I guess it IS kind of hard always being shadowed by MMA and whatnot | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On March 13 2012 02:42 ptrpb wrote: I think a team might've purchased him from SlayerS already. Otherwise why would he be saying T_T? I mean of course he's sad about leaving but if he made the decision I think it might've looked different. That saying, I hope Quantic picks him up. His English is somewhat limited. I can confirm as of yesterday (haven't spoke to him today) he is a 100% free agent. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13379 Posts
On March 13 2012 02:33 Diamond wrote: Please read my previous posts. Is made perfect sense and I for one was not surprised 1% when this went down. Yeah based on what Diamond wrote it makes a lot of sense. Sucks but I can understand. When the team is full of high skill players no one person can get a lot of individual attention really (from a team standpoint anyway). With MMA on the team hes going to get most of the trip money right off the bat anyway unfortunately for the other players. | ||
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JustPassingBy
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On March 13 2012 01:38 NotSorry wrote: Can't really blame them you see all these foreigners with a 1/10th the skill of top Koreans getting pay just as much if not more than the Koreans, why wouldn't you take a shot at that and Taeja is good enough to have a solid chance at winning any tournament. Well you can't really say being paid more, because nobody really knows how much they are paid. However you can actively see how they are flown all around the globe to events which some Korean teams cannot afford. | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
On March 13 2012 02:42 Diamond wrote: His English is somewhat limited. I can confirm as of yesterday (haven't spoke to him today) he is a 100% free agent. Nevermind then, I still hope Quantic picks him up. | ||
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SKYFISH_
Bulgaria990 Posts
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Germany1059 Posts
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WigglingSquid
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He is a truly good player, I wish him the best. Edit: Also anyone calling Teaja stupid for leaving SlayerS has no idea what they are talking about. He had minimal practice with the team, and management never gave him the respect he deserves. Idk if this is why he left, but it's what I observed in my time when he was on SlayerS. I am very sad to hear that, but I fear that such a situation might be very common in SC2. Afaik, there just aren't the resources for proper, comprehensive training for all members of a team: a few pupils get the cuddles and the rest waggle around hoping for the best. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
gl to SlayerS, Taeja and his new team. | ||
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Severus_
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Hazuc
Canada471 Posts
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Devise
Canada1131 Posts
On March 12 2012 22:32 Cokefreak wrote: I think it's EG's turn at a Korean again, been a while since they accuired PuMa. ;D What about JYP? Edit : Also why is everyone so mad about him leaving SlayerS? It's not like he's retiring or something he just quitting a team. I'm sure he will find a good team, and still be successful | ||
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
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Gentso
United States2218 Posts
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
On March 13 2012 03:09 Severus_ wrote: Dignitas.Taeja you heard it here first. I could definitely see this.. Dignitas has definitely been hurting. They need to rebolster their lineup for sure | ||
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FuGGu
United States176 Posts
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Inkarnate
Canada840 Posts
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Zealot Orgy
United Kingdom537 Posts
They picked up Hwanni for one single reason: Get more koreans. And with the FXOBoss "everyone look at me, AGAIN" post about the foreign teams trying to "talk" to Koreans to join them, it all comes together. | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On March 13 2012 02:33 Diamond wrote: Please read my previous posts. Is made perfect sense and I for one was not surprised 1% when this went down. I'm curious, but was it his choice whether he could stay in the team house or not? I'm wondering why isn't he staying (assuming he wants to) since he has always been more prominent than most Slayers members. | ||
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Austria211 Posts
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
On March 13 2012 03:08 WigglingSquid wrote: (Then again, it is not like Hero and Zenio fit the "friends and family team" image that well either...) I would just like to call this out...Hero not fitting the "friends and family" team??? Zenio maybe not so much (Admittedly I don't follow zenio much" but Hero is totally one of the nicest people, and also the friendliest. He fits in great. Just because he wasn't a community member / fan favorite before joining Liquid doesn't mean he doesn't "fit" the image. :p | ||
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
On March 13 2012 03:27 Torenhire wrote: I would just like to call this out...Hero not fitting the "friends and family" team??? Zenio maybe not so much (Admittedly I don't follow zenio much" but Hero is totally one of the nicest people, and also the friendliest. He fits in great. Just because he wasn't a community member / fan favorite before joining Liquid doesn't mean he doesn't "fit" the image. :p OGS is basically family to TL so both fit under the family description. | ||
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amazingoopah
United States1925 Posts
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
On March 13 2012 03:18 FuGGu wrote: Liquid'Taeja would be SO flippin' cool. But in all likelyhood, it'll probably be EG or even dignitas. I don't see why EG would sign another Korean Terran. | ||
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CeriseCherries
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wun4
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Australia6255 Posts
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
On March 13 2012 03:27 Torenhire wrote: I would just like to call this out...Hero not fitting the "friends and family" team??? Zenio maybe not so much (Admittedly I don't follow zenio much" but Hero is totally one of the nicest people, and also the friendliest. He fits in great. Just because he wasn't a community member / fan favorite before joining Liquid doesn't mean he doesn't "fit" the image. :p nicest person... How can you tell that? How do you know? Doesn't "nicest person" fit like 90% of the Korean pro's? | ||
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Bashion
Cook Islands2612 Posts
On March 12 2012 22:32 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: hope this doesn't incur another Jessica shitstorm =/ lol i came here to post that. | ||
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Arcanne
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France425 Posts
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WigglingSquid
5194 Posts
On March 13 2012 03:27 Torenhire wrote: I would just like to call this out...Hero not fitting the "friends and family" team??? Zenio maybe not so much (Admittedly I don't follow zenio much" but Hero is totally one of the nicest people, and also the friendliest. He fits in great. Just because he wasn't a community member / fan favorite before joining Liquid doesn't mean he doesn't "fit" the image. :p Sorry, my comment was actually a bit silly. I was trying to convey what I feel was the overall community impression at the time of the pickup, not my personal opinion. The "problem" is that you have a hard time understanding to what degree someone is nice, or friendly, rather than plain shy when you can't speak their language, which is why relatively high-profile Korean pickups invariably seem skill purchases to most people. There are few exceptions to this (e.g. the ever-smiling Polt), but overall I have a hard time seeing a Korean in the same light I see Sheth; this is particularly true when compounded by Code-S- or Code-A-ness of the newcomers. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38149 Posts
On March 12 2012 22:32 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: hope this doesn't incur another Jessica shitstorm =/ Don't see why it would. She had no problems with Golden and Sleep leaving to try their chances abroad, she just didn't like Dragon lying to SlayerS about his plans and then turning around and hunting for a foreign team to pay him. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10661 Posts
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Ronski
Finland266 Posts
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
On March 13 2012 03:53 IMoperator wrote: I'm growing tired of seeing Koreans leave their teams to try to get more money :/ Yeah they should totally go nowhere in life while playing video games for us | ||
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
On March 13 2012 03:53 IMoperator wrote: I'm growing tired of seeing Koreans leave their teams to try to get more money :/ when they get no money and they dont even have money to go on foreigner tournaments , is normal to happe , ask taeja one of the best terrans in korea the best micro of terrans no doubd how much slayers pay him and you will see the reason . all koreans want to travel outside korea to see other country to meet fans and to attend foreigner tournaments . foreigner team give them this chance why to pass ? | ||
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iYiYi
United States489 Posts
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On March 13 2012 03:55 Lumi wrote: Yeah they should totally go nowhere in life while playing video games for us Well, I just mean that it's less chances for a foreign player to get on a good team. Why would a big name team want to take a risk on an up and coming foreigner when they can just get a Korean that left his team? | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On March 13 2012 03:57 IMoperator wrote: Well, I just mean that it's less chances for a foreign player to get on a good team. Why would a big name team want to take a risk on an up and coming foreigner when they can just get a Korean that left his team? Maybe, just maybe, foreigners can just get good instead of hoping that no one else does so? | ||
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Angel_
United States1617 Posts
if you want any attention at all as a korean and any sort of fanbase and support from that fanbase, you either need to win gsl, or be on a foreign team. | ||
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
On March 13 2012 03:57 IMoperator wrote: Well, I just mean that it's less chances for a foreign player to get on a good team. Why would a big name team want to take a risk on an up and coming foreigner when they can just get a Korean that left his team? Ahh, I see. That's interesting. But I'm more interested in global SC2 than foreigner SC2. I don't get as excited as I used to about seeing foreigners in high places.. I guess it's become all the same with the kind of integration we've experienced over the last year. Besides, there are plusses to having koreans join foreigner teams, like the kind of exposure the rest of the t eam gets from having someone that good with them. Though, I honestly haven't seen it do much for most foreigner teams that have gone this way, other than EG. But I don't really see it doing much good to keep stuffing teams full of foreigner mediocrity that doesn't post results. This game has taken off and it's up to foreigners to be in demand for a sport that has global standards. And hi Diamond :D | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 13 2012 04:03 Diamond wrote: Maybe, just maybe, foreigners can just get good instead of hoping that no one else does so? Easier said than done. There are a lot of factors that cause the Korea-foreigner disparity, including cultural acceptance, geography, gaming culture, lack of teamhouses, etc. | ||
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On March 12 2012 23:54 Nekovivie wrote: It's tiring to see people post "Liquid`____" or "EG___" everytime someone leaves a team. There are other teams?!?!!? | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On March 13 2012 04:03 Diamond wrote: Maybe, just maybe, foreigners can just get good instead of hoping that no one else does so? Well, it's pretty hard to get your name out there, and even harder to get picked up by a team that can send you places. You can't compete vs. a player that was on a Korean team playing in GSL/GSTL with just online tourneys or ladder. | ||
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snively
United States1159 Posts
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
On March 13 2012 04:11 IMoperator wrote: Well, it's pretty hard to get your name out there, and even harder to get picked up by a team that can send you places. You can't compete vs. a player that was on a Korean team playing in GSL/GSTL with just online tourneys or ladder. It's actually even harder for Koreans. They work harder, play better, struggle for limited tournaments with the highest standards for qualifying, and are still far less popular than our full stock of well-known but completely mediocre foreigner fan favorites. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On March 13 2012 04:11 IMoperator wrote: Well, it's pretty hard to get your name out there, and even harder to get picked up by a team that can send you places. You can't compete vs. a player that was on a Korean team playing in GSL/GSTL with just online tourneys or ladder. 100x easier for a foreigner then a Korean these days to get your name out. | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On March 13 2012 04:14 Lumi wrote: It's actually even harder for Koreans. They work harder, play better, struggle for limited tournaments with the highest standards for qualifying, and are still far less popular than our full stock of well-known but completely mediocre foreigner fan favorites. I'd disagree with that. If you're GM/High masters on KR you're much more likely to be picked up by a foreign team than if you were the same level on NA or EU. You probably won't get to the best of the best foreign teams, but some of the smaller teams like It's Gosu (hwangsin) iS (crazymoving), eSahara, x6 etc. would probably choose the korean in that case. | ||
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Gentso
United States2218 Posts
On March 13 2012 04:12 snively wrote: man, that stinks. i dunno much about whats happening with this whole migration thing from korean teams to foreign teams, but i dont like it. Do you also hate that Yao Ming went to play in the NBA? People go where the money is at, and as it stands the foreign scene in SC2 is stronger and has more money. That's why all the biggest boxing fights happen in Las Vegas, also. There's really nothing that anyone should be angry about, seriously. You guys should be happy for them. | ||
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KuKri
Germany168 Posts
Would be the best addition to date | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On March 13 2012 04:17 Diamond wrote: 100x easier for a foreigner then a Korean these days to get your name out. Koreans have the same exact access to the online tournaments as foreigners do. The playhem dailies, IPL qualifiers, NASL qualifiers, etc. The only problem is that many tournaments are invite only (which deserves it's own thread imo) and will not favor no name players at all, Korean or foreigner. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On March 13 2012 04:18 IMoperator wrote: I'd disagree with that. If you're GM/High masters on KR you're much more likely to be picked up by a foreign team than if you were the same level on NA or EU. You probably won't get to the best of the best foreign teams, but some of the smaller teams like It's Gosu (hwangsin) iS (crazymoving), eSahara, x6 etc. would probably choose the korean in that case. Sorry to tell you, you are wrong. Getting known in Korea is stupid hard unless you Top 8 a GSL Code S. On March 13 2012 04:22 IMoperator wrote: Koreans have the same exact access to the online tournaments as foreigners do. The playhem dailies, IPL qualifiers, NASL qualifiers, etc. The only problem is that many tournaments are invite only (which deserves it's own thread imo) and will not favor no name players at all, Korean or foreigner. Yea it's totally the same thing playing professional tournaments that start at 6pm and 5am right? Also cross server latency, etc. | ||
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
On March 13 2012 04:18 IMoperator wrote: I'd disagree with that. If you're GM/High masters on KR you're much more likely to be picked up by a foreign team than if you were the same level on NA or EU. You probably won't get to the best of the best foreign teams, but some of the smaller teams like It's Gosu (hwangsin) iS (crazymoving), eSahara, x6 etc. would probably choose the korean in that case. Most of the community dont even know alot of the players in the GSL. Do you think a player who is up and coming and havent had any time in GSL/GSTL have a chance of getting known outside korea? | ||
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Bajsgrodan
Afghanistan408 Posts
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On March 13 2012 04:17 Diamond wrote: 100x easier for a foreigner then a Korean these days to get your name out. Stream learn english and interact with fans, it's not rocket science frankly Admittedly the move from unknown to featured on TL or whatever might be the hardest part but still. If given the choice between a mediocre foreigner who speaks english or a skilled korean who makes an effort to learn english and interact with fans I know which one a lot would pick. Just look at why Polt gets a shitton of viewers, it's not because he's simply winning Asus. It's because when I've watched him he's talking to viewers showing replays they want and learning English | ||
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purecarnagge
719 Posts
On March 12 2012 22:32 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: hope this doesn't incur another Jessica shitstorm =/ Maybe its why he decided to leave.... | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On March 13 2012 04:17 Diamond wrote: 100x easier for a foreigner then a Korean these days to get your name out. Certainly. Now if you tell me a player like Carmel deserves to be more known than say BabyKnight then you are just being biased. The Koreans who deserve to be known are known. The rest, well they use EWM or ESV Weekly for that. | ||
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Phobbers
773 Posts
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AgentChaos
United Kingdom4569 Posts
eg can fire machine and lz now unless they are not getting paid | ||
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viOLetFanClub
Korea (South)390 Posts
>gets inside information >decides to post it on TL instead of keeping it to himself >causes potential shitstorm with Taeja and SlayerS members Sigh. | ||
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CitrusFo
Canada116 Posts
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On March 13 2012 04:50 Otolia wrote: Certainly. Now if you tell me a player like Carmel deserves to be more known than say BabyKnight then you are just being biased. The Koreans who deserve to be known are known. The rest, well they use EWM or ESV Weekly for that. What? There's countless Koreans who are really good and would do extremely well in the foreign scene who are nobodies where as any foreigners who show even a hint of something decent are known. | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On March 13 2012 04:53 k1mjee wrote: >has personal FB added >gets inside information >decides to post it on TL instead of keeping it to himself >causes potential shitstorm with Taeja and SlayerS members Sigh. Shouldn't be one. Can't imagine why there would be. | ||
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hersenen
Belize176 Posts
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Chrisje
Netherlands29 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
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JohnMatrix
France1352 Posts
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Korste
United States64 Posts
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Marcus420
Canada1923 Posts
could be fnatic since he could train with alive. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On March 13 2012 05:18 Korste wrote: i hope taeja didn't "leave on bad terms" lol He didn't as far as I know. Btw, OP, I hope you got his permission to post that. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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HellionDrop
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OtoshimonoU
United States509 Posts
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 12 2012 22:27 whiteLotus wrote: whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month? So they can travel and see the world. That's a great opportunity for any college aged kid and the KR teams don't often send players overseas. I bet he joins Millenium..... they're after a world class team. | ||
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woobsauce
United States491 Posts
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Leifish
851 Posts
Fuck yeah, sign up for that foreign team. | ||
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CarlosOmse
Germany507 Posts
if he joins a foreign team he probally is the aceplayer getting the most attention will be able to play more majo foreign events! | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On March 13 2012 05:44 CarlosOmse wrote: i still dont know how u cant understand that @ slayers hes just a team meber dont rl get payd trips and isnt a "star" if he joins a foreign team he probally is the aceplayer getting the most attention will be able to play more majo foreign events! ^ This. On SlayerS he is just "another awesome SlayerS terran". On a foreign team he's an ace or top top top player for the team. It's sort of like Axslav and EG. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On March 13 2012 05:41 dsousa wrote: So they can travel and see the world. That's a great opportunity for any college aged kid and the KR teams don't often send players overseas. I bet he joins Millenium..... they're after a world class team. Possible but not very likely. I don't think Taeja is willing to come to France which would be somewhat of a requirement to have a pro-contract, and I think that's what he deserves. | ||
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snively
United States1159 Posts
On March 13 2012 04:18 Gentso wrote: Do you also hate that Yao Ming went to play in the NBA? People go where the money is at, and as it stands the foreign scene in SC2 is stronger and has more money. That's why all the biggest boxing fights happen in Las Vegas, also. There's really nothing that anyone should be angry about, seriously. You guys should be happy for them. whos yao ming? does he play starcraft? :D lol i see what ur saying, but i like korean teams more T^T | ||
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AXygnus
Portugal1008 Posts
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Ozira
Sweden150 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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Phobbers
773 Posts
On March 13 2012 05:54 synapse wrote: Time for Jessica to go on another rant huh.... Jessica typically doesn't go on a rant if they left on good terms. It seems Slayers in general doesn't get too heartbroken over players leaving if they state their intentions. | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
It's also easy to get a bit lazy and not work hard enough to put that talent into use if you would leave a team like SlayerS were the competition is so high that you need to work really hard to prove yourself - to join a foreigner team were you will be the untouchable ace. Not that I, or other people take TaeJa for an idiot but he is just a kid and money and "fame" can change anybodys judgement. | ||
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On March 13 2012 04:38 Denzil wrote: Stream learn english and interact with fans, it's not rocket science frankly Admittedly the move from unknown to featured on TL or whatever might be the hardest part but still. If given the choice between a mediocre foreigner who speaks english or a skilled korean who makes an effort to learn english and interact with fans I know which one a lot would pick. Just look at why Polt gets a shitton of viewers, it's not because he's simply winning Asus. It's because when I've watched him he's talking to viewers showing replays they want and learning English Oh yea Ill just learn Korean and stay up till 5 in the morning each night streaming. That seems easy! | ||
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Coated
United States74 Posts
On March 13 2012 05:01 iAmJeffReY wrote: Koreans are learning more money, more fame, can be achieved outside of KR. Ya, top GSL players are famous, and make money... but to get all the way through it, and that's the ONLY tournament. You can't blame good players for going abroad to make their name known, and get some damn money. The only problem is when all the 'foreign' teams are all Korean's. Honestly, when my favorites (usually home team players) are out of the tournament, I don't even bother watching the rest. Which usually ends up beind Korean vs Korean. | ||
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fourColo
United States363 Posts
On March 13 2012 05:54 synapse wrote: Time for Jessica to go on another rant huh.... Damn you must really hate Jessica huh... Cheap shot at the smallest opportunity. | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8094 Posts
On March 13 2012 06:08 fourColo wrote: Damn you must really hate Jessica huh... Cheap shot at the smallest opportunity. Yeah terrible terrible cheap shot considering how she has acted in the past when a player left SlayerS... How dare he post like that! | ||
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how2TL
1197 Posts
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RatInPink
Sweden41 Posts
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TheRealPaciFist
United States1049 Posts
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fourColo
United States363 Posts
On March 13 2012 06:10 Cokefreak wrote: Yeah terrible terrible cheap shot considering how she has acted in the past when a player left SlayerS... How dare he post like that! I don't care how he posts, I'm just commenting on his insatiable lust for drama. | ||
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
Taeja and Slayers go together like midgets and half length yo-yos. | ||
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SpecFire
United States1681 Posts
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NanowaX
Germany190 Posts
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supdubdup
United States916 Posts
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
On March 13 2012 02:01 ES.Genie wrote: No it's extremely retarded to call all Korean players boring characters. Don't try to make racist bullshit sound resonable. It's not. I fail to see how its racist... if anything its ethnocentric. Different people have different cultures, one can be seen as more interesting and sellable to one culture whereas others may not. Check your definitions please, not everything is racism. Also you seem to have ignored my "for the most part" obviously there are extremely entertaining Koreans but like I said "for the most part" they are mostly dull and unrelatable(imo). | ||
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bucckevin
858 Posts
On March 13 2012 05:45 Diamond wrote: ^ This. On SlayerS he is just "another awesome SlayerS terran". On a foreign team he's an ace or top top top player for the team. It's sort of like Axslav and EG. Taeja is probably the biggest name with talent, besides MC, to join a foreign team. Up till now, we've only really had B-teamers, people unable to even qualify for the GSL go to foreign teams. If he has Puma success, I can really see more and more Koreans follow in his footsteps. It could be good or bad depending on how you look at it. | ||
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supdubdup
United States916 Posts
On March 13 2012 06:40 bucckevin wrote: Taeja is probably the biggest name with talent, besides MC, to join a foreign team. Up till now, we've only really had B-teamers, people unable to even qualify for the GSL go to foreign teams. If he has Puma success, I can really see more and more Koreans follow in his footsteps. It could be good or bad depending on how you look at it. But wouldn't u want to be THE terran on Slayers, eclipsing MMA and etc. in popularity. But maybe he just wants more money. I'd understand that too. | ||
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Brosy
United States254 Posts
On March 13 2012 06:40 bucckevin wrote: Taeja is probably the biggest name with talent, besides MC, to join a foreign team. Up till now, we've only really had B-teamers, people unable to even qualify for the GSL go to foreign teams. If he has Puma success, I can really see more and more Koreans follow in his footsteps. It could be good or bad depending on how you look at it. Zenio was a constant in Code S up until getting knocked out in GSL October, I wouldn't call him a B-Teamer. | ||
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Nazeron
Canada1046 Posts
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On March 13 2012 06:40 bucckevin wrote: Taeja is probably the biggest name with talent, besides MC, to join a foreign team. Up till now, we've only really had B-teamers, people unable to even qualify for the GSL go to foreign teams. If he has Puma success, I can really see more and more Koreans follow in his footsteps. It could be good or bad depending on how you look at it. Alive is really good too. But Taeja would be the best player on virtually any foreign team. | ||
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KainiT
Austria392 Posts
On March 13 2012 06:40 bucckevin wrote: Taeja is probably the biggest name with talent, besides MC, to join a foreign team. Up till now, we've only really had B-teamers, people unable to even qualify for the GSL go to foreign teams. If he has Puma success, I can really see more and more Koreans follow in his footsteps. It could be good or bad depending on how you look at it. i do not get your post at all, first, mc is not on a foreign team and second, do you think hero, zenio and alive were unable to qualify for gsl? oO edit: spelling | ||
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Serinox
Germany5224 Posts
On March 13 2012 06:48 KainiT wrote: i do not get your post at all, first, mc is not on a foreign team and second, do you think hero, zenio and alive were unable to qualify for gsl? oO edit: spelling SK Gaming is a foreign team. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On March 13 2012 06:48 KainiT wrote: i do not get your post at all, first, mc is not on a foreign team and second, do you think hero, zenio and alive were unable to qualify for gsl? oO edit: spelling MC is on SK now, not oGs. I am pretty sure SK is not a korean team. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On March 13 2012 06:48 KainiT wrote: i do not get your post at all, first, mc is not on a foreign team and second, do you think hero, zenio and alive were unable to qualify for gsl? oO edit: spelling What? MC is on SK which is foreign. Also when Liquid picked up Hero wasn't he having issues qualifying? | ||
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bucckevin
858 Posts
On March 13 2012 06:45 supdubdup wrote: But wouldn't u want to be THE terran on Slayers, eclipsing MMA and etc. in popularity. But maybe he just wants more money. I'd understand that too. It's the money. He probably got like 50-200 bucks each time he won those ESV weeklies, against quality Korea opponents. Now, imagine him doing that against inferior foreign opponents for $1,000-$15,000.... I blame the sponsors for throwing all the money at crap ass foreign teams :> | ||
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Serinox
Germany5224 Posts
On March 13 2012 06:49 Diamond wrote: What? MC is on SK which is foreign. Also when Liquid picked up Hero wasn't he having issues qualifying? No, HerO had been qualified for Code A before Liquid and the last time he had to requalify (GSL October) was also shortly before joining Liquid. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On March 13 2012 06:51 bucckevin wrote: It's the money. He probably got like 50-200 bucks each time he won those ESV weeklies, against quality Korea opponents. Now, imagine him doing that against inferior foreign opponents for $1,000-$15,000.... I blame the sponsors for throwing all the money at crap ass foreign teams :> You have no idea how sponsoring works, don't you ? | ||
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Azhrei16
United States284 Posts
On March 13 2012 05:12 Chrisje wrote: Not every foreign team is like EG where you can get easy cash without results. (except HuK). ... Your post mystifies me to no end. | ||
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Naccer
Netherlands11 Posts
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bucckevin
858 Posts
On March 13 2012 06:46 Seraphone wrote: Alive is really good too. But Taeja would be the best player on virtually any foreign team. Oh right yes crap I forgot about Alive. Hero had trouble qualifying but TL, with their special oGs relationship were able to see the talent in Hero. Zenio is not bad but I wouldnt put him on the same level as Taeja. I'd put Taeja in the top 5 terran list. | ||
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bucckevin
858 Posts
On March 13 2012 06:54 Otolia wrote: You have no idea how sponsoring works, don't you ? more viewers/exposure/marketability = more sponsors/money? | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On March 13 2012 06:58 bucckevin wrote: more viewers/exposure/marketability = more sponsors/money? Good. Now read your post again and understand why koreans teams don't find international sponsors. | ||
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MasterKang
United States1373 Posts
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MasterKang
United States1373 Posts
On March 12 2012 22:31 Seraphone wrote: Taeja is extremely good. Can't see him staying teamless for long. Taeja is going to be SOO highly contested. He's possibly the most talented player out there without significant results | ||
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
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MasterKang
United States1373 Posts
On March 12 2012 22:44 Bagi wrote: AFAIK Taeja doesn't live at the Slayers house and mostly practices by himself? I guess he was already kinda separate from the core team, so it doesn't surprise me that he would go for a foreign team. Well, I'm assuming it's because he's only 16 and feels more comfortable living at home. | ||
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MasterKang
United States1373 Posts
On March 13 2012 06:10 Cokefreak wrote: Yeah terrible terrible cheap shot considering how she has acted in the past when a player left SlayerS... How dare he post like that! You have absolutely no knowledge of the situation involving dragon, so how on earth would you know if her reaction was justified or not? Exactly you don't | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On March 13 2012 07:04 Otolia wrote: Good. Now read your post again and understand why koreans teams don't find international sponsors. They almost all have major international sponsors. Slayers are sponsored by Intel and Razer IM are sponsored by Steelseries, Burn and CocaCola (although there's a lot of confusion about what they get from it) Startale are sponsored by BenQ, Zowie and Red Bull oGs are sponsored by Razer, MSI and Corsair MVP are sponsored by Razer, Creative and Sound Blaster Prime are sponsored by Thermaltake But what with the cost of running and maintaining their houses and allowing 10-20 player to live their free of charge they're unable to pay salaries in addition to that. Foreign teams tend to skip the housing entirely have a quarter of the players and thus can pay salaries. | ||
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Telsh
United States148 Posts
On March 13 2012 06:06 Coated wrote: The only problem is when all the 'foreign' teams are all Korean's. Honestly, when my favorites (usually home team players) are out of the tournament, I don't even bother watching the rest. Which usually ends up beind Korean vs Korean. I don't even tune into tournaments until its all korean vs korean ^^ | ||
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Goldbullet
United States88 Posts
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Burns
United States2300 Posts
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skatblast
United States784 Posts
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
On March 12 2012 22:27 whiteLotus wrote: whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month? Its true thought that foreign teams are offering more than Korean teams especially for a player of taeja's caliber. Edit: Please for the love of God don't go to EG. | ||
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Keone
United States812 Posts
On March 12 2012 22:27 whiteLotus wrote: whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month? Inevitable. Two main reasons why. 1. Salary & Quality of Life. Most Koreans don't even get paid a basic salary, nothing; they have to live off their own earnings. Life is difficult, housing is difficult, eating is difficult... basically, it's a really tough life. Look at the EG house; it's like a Korean progamer's dream. 2. Tournament exposure. Koreans are exposed to what? Basically, only the GSL, because they simply can't compete in international tournaments (no invites, no money to fly, no connections, etc.). They look at people who compete internationally (MC, MMA, Puma, even Hero & Zenio) and they see huge amounts of opportunity to compete and win against "easier" foreigner fields. Which to them, is probably true. How many tournaments would Zenio be in if he stayed in OGS? What about Hero? Did anyone really know about the guy before his Liquid switch? Simply put, they see their struggling friends move to foreigner teams, and then earn both a salary and a lot of tournament winnings, as well as a ton of travel. Quality of life is something you can't ignore, or blame them for. The Korean SC2 scene is still bad and underexposed. | ||
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MugenXBanksy
United States479 Posts
On March 12 2012 22:34 AlternativeEgo wrote: My god, it's the cold war arms race all over again. O_O Hello? ITS JYP WE BACK | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
Just kidding, Liquid don't pick up just anybody | ||
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emc
United States3088 Posts
I guess it depends on what team he joins. If he gets on a super rich foreign team then good for him, but I feel like he still needs to be with slayers until he hits a true Code S level on par with other terrans like MvP or MMA. We've all seen what happens to some koreans who were boss then go to foreign teams (like puma?) and just don't have the same practice regiment or nearly as good training partners and don't do well in Code S or even Code A just an opinion, he can do whatever he wants but I think more korean training for mid-level korean is necessary until he hits that S class and can dominate everywhere. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 13 2012 07:54 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Liquid needs Terrans! Just kidding, Liquid don't pick up just anybody Taeja is definitely not just anybody. If Liquid had picked up Taeja instead of Hero last year and gave him the same opportunities that Hero had, I would wager that Taeja would have made 6 figures by now. He is that good, and he could really bolster Liquid's roster. | ||
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Takuna
Germany332 Posts
He reminds me a bit of Huk in his mass ladder days, cheese won't touch him (I'd like to have that link where he defeated 6 pool with CC first ^^), although he lacks still a bit in "prepared" matches. I wouldn't mind seeing a LiquidTaeja, nor would i freak out if he chooses another team. | ||
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Greggle
United States1131 Posts
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scarper65
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
On March 13 2012 08:18 Greggle wrote: Screw foreign teams, they don't contribute to the GSTL =( I think Zenio played a game for oGs after joining liquid. Nada could foreseeably play for MVP next season. | ||
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cvt
United States192 Posts
On March 12 2012 22:26 Mementoss wrote: WHY?? QQMoney, as always. | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On March 13 2012 07:48 Keone wrote: 1. Salary & Quality of Life. Most Koreans don't even get paid a basic salary, nothing; they have to live off their own earnings. Life is difficult, housing is difficult, eating is difficult... basically, it's a really tough life. Look at the EG house; it's like a Korean progamer's dream. Quality of life is something you can't ignore, or blame them for. The Korean SC2 scene is still bad and underexposed. wat. the housing/food might be true for zenex who charges for their players to stay at their team house but certainly not true for all the other pro houses. | ||
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Big-t
Austria1350 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On March 13 2012 08:28 Big-t wrote: Would be a shame for TL, if they really pic him. Not that Taeja is bad, but TL has some high requirements. lol Taeja is a friggin monster. ANY team would get better by having him in the roster. No comment about TLs requirements... | ||
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On March 13 2012 07:13 MasterKang wrote: You have absolutely no knowledge of the situation involving dragon, so how on earth would you know if her reaction was justified or not? Exactly you don't Dat shining white armor... | ||
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VillageBC
322 Posts
Taeja/Puma Huk/JYP Idra/??? Pick up another top Zerg and they are set. Then they just need to fill in the practice partners with some potential up and comers. =) | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
On March 13 2012 08:38 VillageBC wrote: EG needs to bulk up more. Taeja/Puma Huk/JYP Idra/??? Pick up another top Zerg and they are set. Then they just need to fill in the practice partners with some potential up and comers. =) They got Machine man, he's a god in the works. I'm not even joking, Machine has been workin pretty hard and making improvements. | ||
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
On March 13 2012 08:42 ptrpb wrote: They got Machine man, he's a god in the works. I'm not even joking, Machine has been workin pretty hard and making improvements. Sorry to say this, bro, but all these players who are "working pretty hard and making improvements" are just simply not good enough. If they have been known in the community for this long, and haven't shown a significant change in ability (ala Stephano) by now. I'd have to say that it is unlikely they will surprise with a change of ability/results in the future. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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v3chr0
United States856 Posts
I'd really love to see Korean teams picking up Foreigners (instead of the clan-mergers), I think foreigners really know how to abuse creativity and ingenuity vs Koreans who are powerhouses (usually). but I can see where the risk in grabbing foreigners is, so I don't blame them. GL to Taeja and his future endeavors. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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Thewildfish
United States113 Posts
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0kz
Italy1118 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On March 12 2012 22:27 whiteLotus wrote: whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month? Well...foreign teams do actually pay their players. Korean teams take rent checks from their players. So...yeah... | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On March 13 2012 09:10 PH wrote: Well...foreign teams do actually pay their players. Korean teams take rent checks from their players. So...yeah... Haven't heard this practice. Do you have evidence of this practice and which teams do it? | ||
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BlackGosu
Canada1046 Posts
On March 13 2012 09:10 PH wrote: Well...foreign teams do actually pay their players. Korean teams take rent checks from their players. So...yeah... if this is true, i dont really blame the korean players for joining foreign teams | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
Eventually the 'everyone join foreign teams, hurry before they run outta money!" thing will end. There are only so many that'll make it. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On March 13 2012 09:10 PH wrote: Well...foreign teams do actually pay their players. Korean teams take rent checks from their players. So...yeah... Please don't post uniformed non-sense. Living in the team-house is "free." You can think of it as your workplace, and your home. The reason Korean teams can't afford to pay players is because they provide computers, housing, and basic necessities (2 meals a day). Anything extra, is up to the individual players. However, for someone like TaeJa who doesn't live in the team-house those benefits do not affect him. | ||
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VillageBC
322 Posts
On March 13 2012 08:42 ptrpb wrote: They got Machine man, he's a god in the works. I'm not even joking, Machine has been workin pretty hard and making improvements. I do like Machine, but he's got a way to go before being included in that list. He falls under that potential/training partner label until he does something to set himself apart. Unfortunately, I myself don't see that happening. Not everyone can be a star and teams need more then just star players. | ||
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MasterKang
United States1373 Posts
On March 13 2012 08:28 Big-t wrote: Would be a shame for TL, if they really pic him. Not that Taeja is bad, but TL has some high requirements. Lol wut.. | ||
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MasterKang
United States1373 Posts
Nope, just common sense | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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Kernen
United States84 Posts
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On March 13 2012 09:50 bokchoi wrote: Please don't post uniformed non-sense. Living in the team-house is "free." You can think of it as your workplace, and your home. The reason Korean teams can't afford to pay players is because they provide computers, housing, and basic necessities (2 meals a day). Anything extra, is up to the individual players. However, for someone like TaeJa who doesn't live in the team-house those benefits do not affect him. I also believe that a maid is pretty much who cooks their meals, and also does house cleaning and laundry (don't quote me). The problem is that SC2 isn't as big in Korea as it in other places around the world. Sponsors are harder to find in Korea, though it's still growing. They also have the whole Team House aspect that only a few Foreign teams have. Foreign teams like EG can have a team house and pay their players because sponsorships are much bigger internationally, and those Foreign Teams have multiple sponsors for different games. iirc, the only professional level Korean SC2 team that's starting to branch out into other games is Startale with LoL. | ||
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CarlosOmse
Germany507 Posts
On March 13 2012 09:20 BlackGosu wrote: if this is true, i dont really blame the korean players for joining foreign teams weel even if not (i dont rly think they have to payrent to live in the teamhouse) they are still juts a teammember at the koreanteams not having a high chance to get a trip to foreign tournaments without beeing a real superstar if they join a foreign team they are the aceplayer and the superstar and have higher chance for foreign tournaments | ||
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FishBones
Australia195 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On March 13 2012 10:43 FishBones wrote: I hope EG pick him up solely for the fact that that'll mean he can live in slayers house. He's pretty creative so it'll be great for both parties (taeja/rest of slayers players) if he stayed in the team. He didn't live in the SlayerS house when he was on SlayerS. What makes you think that will suddenly change? | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On March 12 2012 22:31 theBALLS wrote: Well that's almost true. Just look at puma for example I would highly doubt Puma gets even half that amount. Why in the world do you think EG pays Puma a lot? | ||
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hnim
United States86 Posts
On March 13 2012 08:28 Big-t wrote: Would be a shame for TL, if they really pic him. Not that Taeja is bad, but TL has some high requirements. Taeja is arguably better than every single player on Team Liquid. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On March 13 2012 07:48 Keone wrote: Inevitable. Two main reasons why. 1. Salary & Quality of Life. Most Koreans don't even get paid a basic salary, nothing; they have to live off their own earnings. Life is difficult, housing is difficult, eating is difficult... basically, it's a really tough life. Look at the EG house; it's like a Korean progamer's dream. 2. Tournament exposure. Koreans are exposed to what? Basically, only the GSL, because they simply can't compete in international tournaments (no invites, no money to fly, no connections, etc.). They look at people who compete internationally (MC, MMA, Puma, even Hero & Zenio) and they see huge amounts of opportunity to compete and win against "easier" foreigner fields. Which to them, is probably true. How many tournaments would Zenio be in if he stayed in OGS? What about Hero? Did anyone really know about the guy before his Liquid switch? Simply put, they see their struggling friends move to foreigner teams, and then earn both a salary and a lot of tournament winnings, as well as a ton of travel. Quality of life is something you can't ignore, or blame them for. The Korean SC2 scene is still bad and underexposed. This has nothing to do with quality of life. You don't really understand how these players live, do you? Not all these players have grown up poor. The major thing they want is more exposure and opportunity to participate in foriegn tournaments. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On March 13 2012 12:09 hnim wrote: Taeja is arguably better than every single player on Team Liquid. At this point in time I think Hero > Taeja but after that I'd agree. | ||
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SYGY
Canada88 Posts
I'm only assuming. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On March 13 2012 12:56 SYGY wrote: hmmm, I wonder why so many SlayerS members are leaving... possibly because they're not sending them over to NA for huge tournaments such as MLG, Dream hack, and IPL? I'm only assuming. I think SlayerS depth of roster is actually the problem here. They have soooooo many S class players that not all of them can get the proper attention. First world E-Sports team problems. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On March 13 2012 12:53 jellyjello wrote: This has nothing to do with quality of life. You don't really understand how these players live, do you? Not all these players have grown up poor. The major thing they want is more exposure and opportunity to participate in foriegn tournaments. They don't mind the teamhouse living environment so much, but salary + foreign tournament travel are by far the biggest factors, and I suppose salary ties into quality of life. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
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anApple
Singapore275 Posts
On March 13 2012 12:04 FabledIntegral wrote: I would highly doubt Puma gets even half that amount. Why in the world do you think EG pays Puma a lot? Still, better than what he would have got when he was in TSL.... I think that was the team he was on | ||
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FishBones
Australia195 Posts
On March 13 2012 11:52 Diamond wrote: He didn't live in the SlayerS house when he was on SlayerS. What makes you think that will suddenly change? I couldn't quite recall whether he lived with slayers or not. Still I think his creativity is an asset to slayers as I think boxer used his reaper medivac build | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
I would highly doubt Puma gets even half that amount. Why in the world do you think EG pays Puma a lot? Puma has made $130,000+ in the past year. Sure, not all koreans joining foreign teams will have his level of success at foreign events (especially with more koreans attending those events now). But there is no way he would even be attending those events if he was still with oGs. Unless you are MVP, Nestea, MC, MMA, Boxer, DRG, there just aren't too many invites coming your way from foreign tournaments. Sure, there are qualifiers but with almost the entire Code S trying for some tournaments (MLG arena, etc), it is so tough just to get a spot. | ||
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TheRealNanMan
United States1471 Posts
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
On March 13 2012 13:18 vthree wrote: Puma has made $130,000+ in the past year. Sure, not all koreans joining foreign teams will have his level of success at foreign events (especially with more koreans attending those events now). But there is no way he would even be attending those events if he was still with oGs. Unless you are MVP, Nestea, MC, MMA, Boxer, DRG, there just aren't too many invites coming your way from foreign tournaments. Sure, there are qualifiers but with almost the entire Code S trying for some tournaments (MLG arena, etc), it is so tough just to get a spot. Just to clarify http://sc2earnings.com/ Sending player to events = glory for the team , player get more fans , more support . Players play better , because they feel thier hard work get them something. No offence to Puma he was always good player , but mainly know form his 1/1/1 , without big succes in Korea . Now look at Puma , he is really strong player | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On March 13 2012 13:28 pallad wrote: Just to clarify http://sc2earnings.com/ Sending player to events = glory for the team , player get more fans , more support . Players play better , because they feel thier hard work get them something. No offence to Puma he was always good player , but mainly know form his 1/1/1 , without big succes in Korea . Now look at Puma , he is really strong player Will even after his 1/1/1 he was able to beat MMA/JYP and narrowly lost 3-2 to MC in the finals. Not due to the 1/1/1 either so he's obviously a really strong player who people seem to think all he knew how to do was 1/1/1 even though he had beaten MC in a bo7 before in NASL season 1 finals without using 1/1/1 at all. | ||
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Tomken
Norway1144 Posts
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kabar
United States616 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On March 13 2012 13:34 Tomken wrote: foreigners should stop taking up kr players, derpherp Hmm my impression of the sequence of events is that Taeja didn't feel like his association with slayers was worth it (no money, no attention) and seeks a team elsewhere. Foreign teams make sense because of the travel and exposure and so on. | ||
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
On March 13 2012 13:33 blade55555 wrote: Will even after his 1/1/1 he was able to beat MMA/JYP and narrowly lost 3-2 to MC in the finals. Not due to the 1/1/1 either so he's obviously a really strong player who people seem to think all he knew how to do was 1/1/1 even though he had beaten MC in a bo7 before in NASL season 1 finals without using 1/1/1 at all. Yes i know that , all i try to say wast that , PuMa has no sucess in Korea , MC , MMA DRG , NeStea etc has , but Puma make almost same money like them , hehe not the same , but he is in top 5 without succes in Korea | ||
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Forgottenfrog
United States1268 Posts
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fox77
Canada95 Posts
On March 13 2012 12:04 FabledIntegral wrote: I would highly doubt Puma gets even half that amount. Why in the world do you think EG pays Puma a lot? Huk and Idra make over 100k can't see Puma making less. | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
On March 13 2012 13:46 fox77 wrote: Huk and Idra make over 100k can't see Puma making less. IdrA's salary isn't rumored to be that high. I think 50-60k was the estimate that someone in the know threw out. HuK probably does make close to 100k though. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On March 13 2012 13:46 fox77 wrote: Huk and Idra make over 100k can't see Puma making less. That's the beauty of picking up exotic players, you have better players for less. It happens in other sports too. | ||
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hnim
United States86 Posts
On March 13 2012 13:52 holy_war wrote: IdrA's salary isn't rumored to be that high. I think 50-60k was the estimate that someone in the know threw out. HuK probably does make close to 100k though. I'm not sure if this is for their Starcraft team, but EG has mentioned that "in 2012, Evil Geniuses is both the world’s premier professional gaming team – with more than 25 salaried players, some of whose base salaries eclipse six figures" | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
Could be different for Taeja, though. He's young, very talented, a Code S player, and is pretty damn marketable with a good personality. Also his keyboard looks delicious. | ||
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naggerNZ
New Zealand708 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On March 13 2012 14:04 Fionn wrote: I don't think it's fair to say that foreign teams pay their players that much better than the Korean teams. Yes, at the very top, if you're a Huk, Idra, or Naniwa, yeah, but look at Check. He joined eSahara, leaving Prime to go join a foreign team and he just retired. Could be different for Taeja, though. He's young, very talented, a Code S player, and is pretty damn marketable with a good personality. Also his keyboard looks delicious. You then highly overestimate how much non-Nestea's, MvP's, etc's get paid. Just the travel benefits alone are massive, let alone the salaries (which most Koreans don't get or is insignificant). | ||
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hnim
United States86 Posts
On March 13 2012 14:08 Diamond wrote: You then highly overestimate how much non-Nestea's, MvP's, etc's get paid. Just the travel benefits alone are massive, let alone the salaries (which most Koreans don't get or is insignificant). Speaking of which I wonder how much Nestea and Mvp make. I mean I've heard IM is not one of the richest teams. | ||
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FiNTer
Finland153 Posts
On March 13 2012 14:10 hnim wrote: Speaking of which I wonder how much Nestea and Mvp make. I mean I've heard IM is not one of the richest teams. IM is the one of the richest teams, lol. | ||
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snatcch
United States133 Posts
On March 13 2012 07:35 Seraphone wrote: They almost all have major international sponsors. Slayers are sponsored by Intel and Razer IM are sponsored by Steelseries, Burn and CocaCola (although there's a lot of confusion about what they get from it) Startale are sponsored by BenQ, Zowie and Red Bull oGs are sponsored by Razer, MSI and Corsair MVP are sponsored by Razer, Creative and Sound Blaster Prime are sponsored by Thermaltake But what with the cost of running and maintaining their houses and allowing 10-20 player to live their free of charge they're unable to pay salaries in addition to that. Foreign teams tend to skip the housing entirely have a quarter of the players and thus can pay salaries. PRIME is also sponsored by OCZ | ||
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crazyweasel
607 Posts
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naux
Canada738 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On March 13 2012 14:08 Diamond wrote: You then highly overestimate how much non-Nestea's, MvP's, etc's get paid. Just the travel benefits alone are massive, let alone the salaries (which most Koreans don't get or is insignificant). I know, but I'm saying the non-Huk's, Idra's, and Naniwa's don't make gigantic bank. It's like the Koreans think that all the foreigners are making tons of cash when that probably isn't a case. For Taeja, this could be a good move. He is a Code S player who is marketable enough to probably get a lot more money on a top foreign team. But not every Korean who has tried to do this has worked out. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
SlayerS as a team was never sponsored by Intel (only BoxeR) and also recently lost their Razer sponsorship (whether Razer dropped them in favor of MVP or SlayerS didn't want to re-contract, I don't know) EDIT: MVP is no longer sponsored by Creative/Soundblaster assuming conflict with Razer. Startale is also not sponsored by Red Bull, only Bomber. | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
Best luck in the future, Taeja. | ||
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Headnoob
Australia2108 Posts
ah well, guess slayers will have to make do with the rest of their excellent players. | ||
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justsayinbro
307 Posts
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jkc
United States83 Posts
On March 13 2012 14:35 Headnoob wrote: Taeja is definitely not someone i see staying at a high level once he leaves slayers. ah well, guess slayers will have to make do with the rest of their excellent players. Many Korean pros practice with their friends or clan-mates (who aren't always part of their teams). Just because he isn't a SlayerS member anymore doesn't mean he won't be able to practice with his friends on the team. Given how key the SlayerS coaches have been with the team's success there's obvious advantages to being on SlayerS team. However there's no evidence that supports the argument that leaving SlayerS will mean Taeja won't be able to continue practicing and playing at a high level. I'm not too thrilled that Taeja is leaving SlayerS either, but I think Taeja will do just fine wherever he goes. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On March 13 2012 13:18 vthree wrote: Puma has made $130,000+ in the past year. Sure, not all koreans joining foreign teams will have his level of success at foreign events (especially with more koreans attending those events now). But there is no way he would even be attending those events if he was still with oGs. Unless you are MVP, Nestea, MC, MMA, Boxer, DRG, there just aren't too many invites coming your way from foreign tournaments. Sure, there are qualifiers but with almost the entire Code S trying for some tournaments (MLG arena, etc), it is so tough just to get a spot. He was on TSL actually, rather different. Just to clarify. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On March 13 2012 14:35 Headnoob wrote: Taeja is definitely not someone i see staying at a high level once he leaves slayers. ah well, guess slayers will have to make do with the rest of their excellent players. Taeja doesn't even live in the SlayerS house so he practices on his own. He'll be fine. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On March 13 2012 12:57 Diamond wrote: I think SlayerS depth of roster is actually the problem here. They have soooooo many S class players that not all of them can get the proper attention. First world E-Sports team problems. Agree with you there, and the fact that Teaja hasn't really done much in the GSL only makes it harder for SlayerS to send him to foriegn tournaments. Slayers would pick Ganzi or Puzzle first before Teaja becuase these players have "earned" it by getting decent results in the GSL. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On March 13 2012 13:18 vthree wrote: Puma has made $130,000+ in the past year. Sure, not all koreans joining foreign teams will have his level of success at foreign events (especially with more koreans attending those events now). But there is no way he would even be attending those events if he was still with oGs. Unless you are MVP, Nestea, MC, MMA, Boxer, DRG, there just aren't too many invites coming your way from foreign tournaments. Sure, there are qualifiers but with almost the entire Code S trying for some tournaments (MLG arena, etc), it is so tough just to get a spot. He was TSL's ace and TSL has sent there players to foreign events so its safe to say he would get that money. Also something like 70% of the money he has made have been from winning NASL which payed for him to go there. | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
2. own foreigners 3. ?????? 4. profit User was warned for this post | ||
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
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WigglingSquid
5194 Posts
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1123332 | ||
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FidoDido
United States1292 Posts
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juicy
Australia145 Posts
GL to Taeja. | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
On March 13 2012 14:35 Headnoob wrote: Taeja is definitely not someone i see staying at a high level once he leaves slayers. ah well, guess slayers will have to make do with the rest of their excellent players. lol what why? Taeja is a beast in every way. | ||
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BigLighthouse
United Kingdom424 Posts
On March 13 2012 14:35 Headnoob wrote: Taeja is definitely not someone i see staying at a high level once he leaves slayers. ah well, guess slayers will have to make do with the rest of their excellent players. He wont suffer too much since he never lived with the team anyway | ||
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