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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 21 2012 12:07 Drowsy wrote: Zealots want give high five to mariners but mariners no like high five. They run away and shoot zealots Manly race huh? They do not run!!! They dance like Russian-Bear and shoot the zealots coward and their five-highs! The five-highs is no match for Bear-Dance of Courage!!!!! | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On March 21 2012 12:07 Drowsy wrote: Zealots want give high five to mariners but mariners no like high five. They run away and shoot zealots Manly race huh? Not running, It's advancing backwards in a manly fashion. | ||
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XXXSmOke
United States1333 Posts
On March 21 2012 11:38 VTPerfect wrote: I wouldn't expect any buffs to Terran any time soon, as of now there are 10 Protoss, 17 Terran and 7 Zerg in Code S. To help fix this Terran Ghost got nerfed not that long ago. Truth of the matter is Terran is still pretty much the "Strongest" race. There are no Terran professionals that put their hands up and say this game is broken Terran can't win cause it simply isn't true and major tournament results show this. Ironically Terran might receive more nerfs in the not too distant future because the Marine and the Mule are still slightly overpowered. It sucks that you guys have a 40% winrate at lower levels but its impossible to buff terran to the point where its fair for lower levels cause it will just ruin every Professional who didn't pick terrans career and the game fails as Esport cause no one wants to watch GomTvTvT. The only reason GSL is still like that is because of the ridiculous amount of all-ins that Korean's are doing every game now in TvP. So essentially the problem of this MU goes far beyond us common league players, as the MU was already boring to watch, now on GOM its getting to the point of all ins or get raped.... Very low entertainment value. (Look at last weeks up/down matches, obnoxius amount of all ins) Blizz can fix this, although it would be very difficult, by doing what ppl have been saying since release...... nerf early game, buff late game. And yes Pro T's have voiced some concern Beastyqty/Demuslim/Strelok/IMMvp/MMA Comes to mind. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On March 21 2012 12:00 AxionSteel wrote: They don't, I'm high Diamond/Low master and TvP is my best matchup, If I move up it will probably change, as I have friends who are far better than me who struggle a massive amount in the matchup, but as of right now I do pretty well at it. Personally I find TvZ to be the hardest of all  Well, I'll join in with my story. Not every terran is at 30% with TvP, but that doesn't mean that it's not part of the same problem. My worst MU is TvZ and after grinding out baneling splitting and multitasking on customs for the last 4-5 months, I finally beat my first Z in Diamond, 2 days ago. As I meet mostly Z, my MMR is tanking and when I meet a T I laugh and crush him, when I meet a P they 4 gate me or I 111 them -.- But both the T and P that I meet are laughably easy to beat for me compared to Z. So, if one of the races you meet more is your weak MU, that will decrease your MMR in such a way that it inflates your win rates against the other MU's. P.S. I'm extremely macro oriented, but I gave up on trying to do my favourite 1 rax expand against P. Even against the (comparative) dummies I meet on the ladder now, I have little success with it. | ||
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Sissors
1395 Posts
That works, and thats why I think i got above 50% win percentage against protoss, although I dont know exactly. But it is exactly that, or I crush him with a (semi) cheeze/all-in, or he wins. Winning late game against protos is simply not a possibility for me. Now I can live with it, but looking at the amount of tears coming from protoss players who get all-in'ed by terrans, it doesnt look like protoss players can live with it. | ||
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Solid_J
Norway18 Posts
But still that was a great feeling, to know that its not unbeatable. | ||
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Tuk
United Kingdom223 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On March 21 2012 18:51 Solid_J wrote: I played another TvP the other day, and both of us maxed out. I had 5 bases and toss had 4. Toss had both colossus and storm, and I had a bad feeling about it, but I had to try. And for the first time I actually won a maxed out fight! It was the best feeling in the world, since that never happend before. I got my vikings in good position, I dogded some storms, and microed better than Ive ever done before (however, if the toss microed better, he would beat me). Nevertheless I lost the game (he reinforced a archon/zealot comp so quickly) that i couldn't hold of. But still that was a great feeling, to know that its not unbeatable. Yeah, it feel good to win these maxed out fight. But it should be that way, since your army should be bigger in the end ( less scv, more army supply ) | ||
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shizna
United Kingdom803 Posts
On March 21 2012 12:16 Blasterion wrote: Not running, It's advancing backwards in a manly fashion. even chuck norris would run away from a zealot. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On March 21 2012 18:59 shizna wrote: even chuck norris would run away from a zealot. Zealot are the true corwards anyway. Marines don't scream in fear at their chain of command everytime they get hit by a zergling ! ( Aaaaaaarrghhh... We can't hoooold )  | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
On March 21 2012 11:38 VTPerfect wrote: I wouldn't expect any buffs to Terran any time soon, as of now there are 10 Protoss, 17 Terran and 7 Zerg in Code S. To help fix this Terran Ghost got nerfed not that long ago. Truth of the matter is Terran is still pretty much the "Strongest" race. There are no Terran professionals that put their hands up and say this game is broken Terran can't win cause it simply isn't true and major tournament results show this. Ironically Terran might receive more nerfs in the not too distant future because the Marine and the Mule are still slightly overpowered. It sucks that you guys have a 40% winrate at lower levels but its impossible to buff terran to the point where its fair for lower levels cause it will just ruin every Professional who didn't pick terrans career and the game fails as Esport cause no one wants to watch GomTvTvT. Says the protoss player  The majority of people here realise that terran is capable of winning against protoss, that's not the point of this thread. The point is more that you need to be top Korean Terran, at lower levels the MU is more difficult for the terran. But even then, protoss are doing better and better against T, even in Korea. What's your best MU out of interest? :p Edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/2236_Perfect According to TLPD its PvT; shocking. | ||
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Kakaru2
198 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On March 21 2012 19:23 EmilA wrote: NOOOOO, have we even lost the mech king to the foul protoss? Fuck my life. Danish GM player cupcake also switched to protoss (and is now 100 ranks higher in GM than he ever was.) Has any pro switched TO terran within the last 3-4 months? There's morrow, who came back to Terran for one match up.. :< But foreign have greater succes when they switch away from Terran. Just look at TLO... Since he's back at Zerg he's kicking ass. | ||
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give.ViviD
Sweden235 Posts
On March 21 2012 19:24 Noocta wrote: There's morrow, who came back to Terran for one match up.. :< But foreign have greater succes when they switch away from Terran. Just look at TLO... Since he's back at Zerg he's kicking ass. He never came back to Terran, he has just never played ZvZ. And no i don't think anyone has switched to Terran, nor do I think that anyone would want to, we're not exactly the flavor of month. | ||
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
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Cortza
South Africa328 Posts
On March 21 2012 19:38 Disquiet wrote: I'm a diamond terran and the main issue I have with tvp is beating chargelots. You need really good stutter step micro. I'm not the greatest at it in the first place and with the 200ms latency I get to both SEA and NA its really just infuriating and makes me want to break my keyboard everytime I lose to an a-moving "i maek zealot" protoss. I'm guessing terrans around my skill level probably feel the same. I havn't played any ladder matches this season. I feel you on the latency there. Get about 300ms here to EU. Makes playing terran even harder. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
Top terran still do well against protoss, MC is arguably the best protoss in the world and he just barely squeezed out a win against Puma at IEM, where Puma didn't all in and often expanded before MC (getting 3rd while keeping MC from expanding). Puma is for sure a great player but he's got worse practise partners and his track record isn't really comparable to MC. So what changed should be made? I read that someone suggested no autocast charge and manual surround, but if they change that i'm pretty sure terrans will dominate TvP as getting as good a surround will be next to impossible with all the stuff pros need to keep track of in fights. | ||
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Kakaru2
198 Posts
Edit: I'd prefer more radical change though, but until Hots those will not be possible. | ||
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Zythius
Norway94 Posts
This is relevant for balance discussion as well. | ||
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