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Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
March 15 2012 19:00 GMT
#1421
Am I the only one who took a step back and realized that we ruined this guy's career and dreams?

Yeah he definitely deserved to be fired, but I find the way that the community chased after this issue with so much intensity is freakishly scary.
SeeDLiNg
Profile Joined January 2010
United States690 Posts
March 15 2012 19:01 GMT
#1422
Calling someone on the internet the n word over a video game doesn't make you a racist

it makes you a douchebag...

orb, go play DotA. people like you are not wanted in the sc2 community.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
March 15 2012 19:13 GMT
#1423
On March 16 2012 04:00 Snuggles wrote:
Am I the only one who took a step back and realized that we ruined this guy's career and dreams?

Yeah he definitely deserved to be fired, but I find the way that the community chased after this issue with so much intensity is freakishly scary.



He just got punished for have a very, very bad habit for a broadcaster. It's the kind of behaviour that any broadcaster in any other industry would probably get reprimanded or let go for.

But he's a smart guy, and enough people support him that he'll get another chance redeem himself. His career is far from over -- what is he, 20 years old?





Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 19:39:50
March 15 2012 19:16 GMT
#1424
On March 16 2012 04:00 Snuggles wrote:
Am I the only one who took a step back and realized that we ruined this guy's career and dreams?

Yeah he definitely deserved to be fired, but I find the way that the community chased after this issue with so much intensity is freakishly scary.


First off, saying both:
a) we runied Orb's career and dreams
b) He definitely deserved to be fired

Doesn't make a lick of sense.

The only thing that I'm dissatisfied with in this entire situation is the fact that people went to the sponsors so early.
EGAlex acted very quickly, and there was likely no need to do this in the first place.

I hope that, in the future we allow a little bit a grace period for teams to get their ducks in a row. I think that EGAlex has earned a little bit of political capital for ALL eSports teams in how he acted.
Ballack
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway821 Posts
March 15 2012 19:19 GMT
#1425
On March 16 2012 04:00 Snuggles wrote:
Am I the only one who took a step back and realized that we ruined this guy's career and dreams?


His career isn't over. There are not enough good analysts for him to fade away, he'll be back.
Just when I thought I was out, Blizz pulled me back in..
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 20:03:23
March 15 2012 20:01 GMT
#1426
On March 16 2012 04:16 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 04:00 Snuggles wrote:
Am I the only one who took a step back and realized that we ruined this guy's career and dreams?

Yeah he definitely deserved to be fired, but I find the way that the community chased after this issue with so much intensity is freakishly scary.


First off, saying both:
a) [b]we[b/] runied Orb's career and dreams
b) He definitely deserved to be fired

Doesn't make a lick of sense.

The only thing that I'm dissatisfied with in this entire situation is the fact that people went to the sponsors so early.
EGAlex acted very quickly, and there was likely no need to do this in the first place.

I hope that, in the future we allow a little bit a grace period for teams to get their ducks in a row. I think that EGAlex has earned a little bit of political capital for ALL eSports teams in how he acted.


Mmm yes you see. Your response to me comes off so strongly, it's frightening. Being direct is part of my culture, I don't know how it may be for Canadians, but this type of "direct" is unnecessary. I think waded through enough threads and posts to come to a fair conclusion that the community has a very acidic and hostile reaction towards responses that even come off slightly off-put. Because really instead of saying "Doesn't make a lick of sense" you could have just said, "I don't quite understand what you're trying to say." But of course with the anonymity we have you can go ahead and say what you want without a second thought to try to understand what I'm trying to convey. I believe that this type of attitude is what leads people to eventually to go such an extreme that you would contact a person's sponsor directly and immediately and get him fired.

So if you had put it in the other way, you wouldn't have to read my block of unruly text. It's not going to be pleasant to read from your point of view because I'm confronting you. So to clarify what I was trying to say, I felt that we had maliciously chased after orb, thus temporarily putting the brakes on his career (with for good reason as I have stated). I was upset, just as you are, with the way we immediately contacted sponsors without a second thought.

We played a major role in the cause of him getting fired, and he deserved it, how does that not make sense?

Now some of you may be thinking, "Snuggles you should have grown a thicker hide by now". Well if I did then I should be allowed to subject others with the same type of coarse directness too right? Hey it may even lead me to start calling you guys n****** and c****, if you've got a problem with it grow a thicker hide- it's the internet. Still upset? Contact my spons- Oh wait, you can't, I'm practically anonymous to you if you think about it. But really who am I to judge how we should treat each other online =P Maybe I should quit doing this and go nuts and say "Hey fuck you buddy I was just trying to say that we chased this mofo with pitchforks and lit his barn on fire". A lot less effort from my end and less consideration for you on your end right?

Hey I apologize for the outburst but I'm starting to get tired of having to rephrase myself each time someone takes my posts the wrong way. In a thread like this it seems like I can let loose easier.

Where do we draw the line?
Josh_rakoons
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom1158 Posts
March 15 2012 20:07 GMT
#1427
You right as if we know and care who you are. (snuggles)
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
March 15 2012 20:10 GMT
#1428
On March 16 2012 05:07 Josh_rakoons wrote:
You right as if we know and care who you are. (snuggles)


Hmmm. Okay I see how it is now. I'm just going to keep things like this to PMs. I think that's the best solution.
Turo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada333 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 20:13:58
March 15 2012 20:13 GMT
#1429
On March 16 2012 05:01 Snuggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 04:16 Zorkmid wrote:
On March 16 2012 04:00 Snuggles wrote:
Am I the only one who took a step back and realized that we ruined this guy's career and dreams?

Yeah he definitely deserved to be fired, but I find the way that the community chased after this issue with so much intensity is freakishly scary.


First off, saying both:
a) [b]we[b/] runied Orb's career and dreams
b) He definitely deserved to be fired

Doesn't make a lick of sense.

The only thing that I'm dissatisfied with in this entire situation is the fact that people went to the sponsors so early.
EGAlex acted very quickly, and there was likely no need to do this in the first place.

I hope that, in the future we allow a little bit a grace period for teams to get their ducks in a row. I think that EGAlex has earned a little bit of political capital for ALL eSports teams in how he acted.


Mmm yes you see. Your response to me comes off so strongly, it's frightening. Being direct is part of my culture, I don't know how it may be for Canadians, but this type of "direct" is unnecessary. I think waded through enough threads and posts to come to a fair conclusion that the community has a very acidic and hostile reaction towards responses that even come off slightly off-put. Because really instead of saying "Doesn't make a lick of sense" you could have just said, "I don't quite understand what you're trying to say."


what you wrote didn't make a lick of sense. first you say we ruined this guys hopes and dreams, then you say he deserved to get fired. therefore if the community did nothing, he would have eventually gotten fired for this. so he ruined his own hopes and dreams. there is no point pussyfooting around by saying "I don't quite understand what you're trying to say.". because he DID know what you were trying to say and it didn't make any sense.
scredditFTW
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada7 Posts
March 15 2012 20:13 GMT
#1430
I hope this teaches you a good lesson orb. Your attitude has always been really shit. Learn from this and you should be fine. Good luck in your future endeavors.
Shaok
Profile Joined October 2010
297 Posts
March 15 2012 20:19 GMT
#1431
I know they have to do it simply because of sponsor issues but its ridiculous anyone could even remotely consider you a Racist for using a word that means absolutely nothing.

For everyone who gets offended by words: You are the one who decides to be affected by them.

You have control over how you react to everything.
MaGariShun
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria305 Posts
March 15 2012 20:21 GMT
#1432
On March 16 2012 04:01 SeeDLiNg wrote:
orb, go play DotA. people like you are not wanted in the sc2 community.


If you say so, it MUST be the will of the community. Or maybe you are just a self righteous douche

MaverickSC2
Profile Joined August 2010
United States20 Posts
March 15 2012 21:36 GMT
#1433
I'm surprised at the people who seriously dug through our stuff just searching for viable stuff to get rid of you. If people went through all of your vods and films then people should go through everyone's. I wonder then how many people would have similar words used or arguments, etc. Probably everyone, it is the internet. We hide behind false idenetities, troll eachother, rage, etc because we can behind a keyboard and other people doing the same thing make us mad. It brings out the worst in people but it doesn't mean we are actually that person or what we said or that we even believe in their connotations. It's kinda stupid honestly that something that many people don't even know the meaning of and or use it all the time would get in so much trouble for using it in the past but not currently.
"The fool persuades me with his or her reasons, the wise with my own."
Genetic
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada84 Posts
March 15 2012 22:00 GMT
#1434
Apology Rejected!
Silvertine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States509 Posts
March 15 2012 22:53 GMT
#1435
On March 15 2012 19:55 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 19:34 Silvertine wrote:
On March 15 2012 19:25 tomatriedes wrote:
On March 15 2012 18:24 Silvertine wrote:
On March 15 2012 17:32 tomatriedes wrote:
On March 15 2012 14:18 Silvertine wrote:
On March 15 2012 13:48 Sroobz wrote:
On March 15 2012 08:25 Forikorder wrote:
On March 15 2012 08:18 BeeNu wrote:
On March 15 2012 05:45 randomKo_Orean wrote:
[quote]
There's a difference between "digging [someone's] past" and getting caught for doing it consistently and on regular basis then make excuses for it every time, getting a free pass for all these time for being a gigantic douchebag.


Are we talking about Idra or Orb? I keep getting confused.

the one who actually said something bad enough to get punished for



Is faggot not worse or on the same level as nigger?

That argument has been presented and contradicted maybe 300 times in this thread.


It hasn't been contradicted satisfactorily though. Look at the discrimination and abuse gay people have suffered from in the past(including being rounded up and killed en masse during WW2) and try to tell me that there's nothing wrong with using the words 'faggot' and 'gay' as insults. Just because some of the people in this thread don't think it's offensive anymore doesn't make it a fact. Do you think anyone in mainstream media would get away with using it as an insult?

Good job dismantling those imaginary arguments.


Read the thread. People have been making these arguments in support of Idra.

No, they've been arguing that 'faggot' and 'gay' are not comparable to 'nigger', and that is absolutely true.


You're mixing up opinion with fact there. What people take offense at is subjective and there I'm sure there are many (including myself) who find the words equally offensive.

You really thing calling someone a 'fucking faggot' is any better than calling someone a 'fucking nigger'?

As I said this has been explained hundreds of times but I guess once more can't hurt:

'Faggot' and 'gay', although being terms which are truly homophobic and disgusting, have been considered general insults in America for years. That's even more true among people who are young and immature, of which there are many in this community. 'Nigger' has absolutely no other accepted meaning and it stands alone as the most disgusting racial epithet in the English language. That is the fact of the matter in the United States, it has nothing to do with opinion.

Now I understand that this varies among countries but we don't need to get into a debate about whether or not it's appropriate. Orb is American and so it makes perfect sense to judge him by that standard.
Wrongspeedy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1655 Posts
March 16 2012 02:49 GMT
#1436
<3 You will be missed. We all make mistakes, good for you for not being afraid to go out and make some, you manned up. I honestly think the homophobic slurs are worse. Some people actually use the N word without the negative connation. For instance Orb is mine, but of course I'm not actually gonna say that here LOL.
It is better to be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.- John Stuart Mill
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
March 16 2012 03:26 GMT
#1437
On March 16 2012 11:49 Wrongspeedy wrote:
<3 You will be missed. We all make mistakes, good for you for not being afraid to go out and make some, you manned up. I honestly think the homophobic slurs are worse. Some people actually use the N word without the negative connation. For instance Orb is mine, but of course I'm not actually gonna say that here LOL.
You mean Orb is your nigger? See, nothing bad happens if your say it. The sky doesn't fall.

What bothered me the most was the superstitious fear of a word. On the other hand, I can see how some organization might not want as employee someone with slightly controversial past. Like... Artosis.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
KicKDoG
Profile Joined December 2003
Sweden765 Posts
March 16 2012 03:30 GMT
#1438
I think some people in this thread really need to get some mature level up. People in here is being waaaay to harsh against orb. But i can understand that he cannot act like this because hes a caster and ex-working for EG. I bet half in this or more 70% rages a lot in games (perhaps not going around saying dumb stuff too people like this) but this is just child level imo acting like some in here does.
http://www.twitter.com/KicKDoG_LoL baylife plox?
Silvertine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States509 Posts
March 16 2012 04:03 GMT
#1439
On March 16 2012 12:26 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 11:49 Wrongspeedy wrote:
<3 You will be missed. We all make mistakes, good for you for not being afraid to go out and make some, you manned up. I honestly think the homophobic slurs are worse. Some people actually use the N word without the negative connation. For instance Orb is mine, but of course I'm not actually gonna say that here LOL.

What bothered me the most was the superstitious fear of a word.

What does it have to do with fear or superstition? I really don't know where you guys get this shit from.
GnarKill
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada68 Posts
March 16 2012 05:31 GMT
#1440
Has anyone ever played 4s? If you have, you will notice that the community is far more racist than orb. There's too many kids who take shit way too serious, a little rage means nothing about character. Have you ever seen pro sports, a ton of people flip out when their pissed, they just don't say the "n" word, because they know theres thousands of people watching. If someone judges you by shit you say in a ladder game they're a jok.e It's a video game. I don't like orb, but I never did so nothing changed for me, but he's not a racist. He should get his job back. Besides, everyone knew he was bm before he was hired. You don't have to bring it up later on. It's legitimately retarded.
"i've got this ability to say things that never really happen" - Moletrap... truer words never been spoken
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