EPTYeah he definitely deserved to be fired, but I find the way that the community chased after this issue with so much intensity is freakishly scary.
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
Yeah he definitely deserved to be fired, but I find the way that the community chased after this issue with so much intensity is freakishly scary. | ||
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SeeDLiNg
United States690 Posts
it makes you a douchebag... orb, go play DotA. people like you are not wanted in the sc2 community. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 16 2012 04:00 Snuggles wrote: Am I the only one who took a step back and realized that we ruined this guy's career and dreams? Yeah he definitely deserved to be fired, but I find the way that the community chased after this issue with so much intensity is freakishly scary. He just got punished for have a very, very bad habit for a broadcaster. It's the kind of behaviour that any broadcaster in any other industry would probably get reprimanded or let go for. But he's a smart guy, and enough people support him that he'll get another chance redeem himself. His career is far from over -- what is he, 20 years old? | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On March 16 2012 04:00 Snuggles wrote: Am I the only one who took a step back and realized that we ruined this guy's career and dreams? Yeah he definitely deserved to be fired, but I find the way that the community chased after this issue with so much intensity is freakishly scary. First off, saying both: a) we runied Orb's career and dreams b) He definitely deserved to be fired Doesn't make a lick of sense. The only thing that I'm dissatisfied with in this entire situation is the fact that people went to the sponsors so early. EGAlex acted very quickly, and there was likely no need to do this in the first place. I hope that, in the future we allow a little bit a grace period for teams to get their ducks in a row. I think that EGAlex has earned a little bit of political capital for ALL eSports teams in how he acted. | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On March 16 2012 04:00 Snuggles wrote: Am I the only one who took a step back and realized that we ruined this guy's career and dreams? His career isn't over. There are not enough good analysts for him to fade away, he'll be back. | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
On March 16 2012 04:16 Zorkmid wrote: First off, saying both: a) [b]we[b/] runied Orb's career and dreams b) He definitely deserved to be fired Doesn't make a lick of sense. The only thing that I'm dissatisfied with in this entire situation is the fact that people went to the sponsors so early. EGAlex acted very quickly, and there was likely no need to do this in the first place. I hope that, in the future we allow a little bit a grace period for teams to get their ducks in a row. I think that EGAlex has earned a little bit of political capital for ALL eSports teams in how he acted. Mmm yes you see. Your response to me comes off so strongly, it's frightening. Being direct is part of my culture, I don't know how it may be for Canadians, but this type of "direct" is unnecessary. I think waded through enough threads and posts to come to a fair conclusion that the community has a very acidic and hostile reaction towards responses that even come off slightly off-put. Because really instead of saying "Doesn't make a lick of sense" you could have just said, "I don't quite understand what you're trying to say." But of course with the anonymity we have you can go ahead and say what you want without a second thought to try to understand what I'm trying to convey. I believe that this type of attitude is what leads people to eventually to go such an extreme that you would contact a person's sponsor directly and immediately and get him fired. So if you had put it in the other way, you wouldn't have to read my block of unruly text. It's not going to be pleasant to read from your point of view because I'm confronting you. So to clarify what I was trying to say, I felt that we had maliciously chased after orb, thus temporarily putting the brakes on his career (with for good reason as I have stated). I was upset, just as you are, with the way we immediately contacted sponsors without a second thought. We played a major role in the cause of him getting fired, and he deserved it, how does that not make sense? Now some of you may be thinking, "Snuggles you should have grown a thicker hide by now". Well if I did then I should be allowed to subject others with the same type of coarse directness too right? Hey it may even lead me to start calling you guys n****** and c****, if you've got a problem with it grow a thicker hide- it's the internet. Still upset? Contact my spons- Oh wait, you can't, I'm practically anonymous to you if you think about it. But really who am I to judge how we should treat each other online =P Maybe I should quit doing this and go nuts and say "Hey fuck you buddy I was just trying to say that we chased this mofo with pitchforks and lit his barn on fire". A lot less effort from my end and less consideration for you on your end right? Hey I apologize for the outburst but I'm starting to get tired of having to rephrase myself each time someone takes my posts the wrong way. In a thread like this it seems like I can let loose easier. Where do we draw the line? | ||
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
On March 16 2012 05:07 Josh_rakoons wrote: You right as if we know and care who you are. (snuggles) Hmmm. Okay I see how it is now. I'm just going to keep things like this to PMs. I think that's the best solution. | ||
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Turo
Canada333 Posts
On March 16 2012 05:01 Snuggles wrote: Mmm yes you see. Your response to me comes off so strongly, it's frightening. Being direct is part of my culture, I don't know how it may be for Canadians, but this type of "direct" is unnecessary. I think waded through enough threads and posts to come to a fair conclusion that the community has a very acidic and hostile reaction towards responses that even come off slightly off-put. Because really instead of saying "Doesn't make a lick of sense" you could have just said, "I don't quite understand what you're trying to say." what you wrote didn't make a lick of sense. first you say we ruined this guys hopes and dreams, then you say he deserved to get fired. therefore if the community did nothing, he would have eventually gotten fired for this. so he ruined his own hopes and dreams. there is no point pussyfooting around by saying "I don't quite understand what you're trying to say.". because he DID know what you were trying to say and it didn't make any sense. | ||
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scredditFTW
Canada7 Posts
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Shaok
297 Posts
For everyone who gets offended by words: You are the one who decides to be affected by them. You have control over how you react to everything. | ||
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MaGariShun
Austria305 Posts
On March 16 2012 04:01 SeeDLiNg wrote: orb, go play DotA. people like you are not wanted in the sc2 community. If you say so, it MUST be the will of the community. Or maybe you are just a self righteous douche | ||
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MaverickSC2
United States20 Posts
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Genetic
Canada84 Posts
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On March 15 2012 19:55 tomatriedes wrote: You're mixing up opinion with fact there. What people take offense at is subjective and there I'm sure there are many (including myself) who find the words equally offensive. You really thing calling someone a 'fucking faggot' is any better than calling someone a 'fucking nigger'? As I said this has been explained hundreds of times but I guess once more can't hurt: 'Faggot' and 'gay', although being terms which are truly homophobic and disgusting, have been considered general insults in America for years. That's even more true among people who are young and immature, of which there are many in this community. 'Nigger' has absolutely no other accepted meaning and it stands alone as the most disgusting racial epithet in the English language. That is the fact of the matter in the United States, it has nothing to do with opinion. Now I understand that this varies among countries but we don't need to get into a debate about whether or not it's appropriate. Orb is American and so it makes perfect sense to judge him by that standard. | ||
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Wrongspeedy
United States1655 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
On March 16 2012 11:49 Wrongspeedy wrote: You mean Orb is your nigger? <3 You will be missed. We all make mistakes, good for you for not being afraid to go out and make some, you manned up. I honestly think the homophobic slurs are worse. Some people actually use the N word without the negative connation. For instance Orb is mine, but of course I'm not actually gonna say that here LOL.  See, nothing bad happens if your say it. The sky doesn't fall.What bothered me the most was the superstitious fear of a word. On the other hand, I can see how some organization might not want as employee someone with slightly controversial past. Like... Artosis.  | ||
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KicKDoG
Sweden765 Posts
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On March 16 2012 12:26 figq wrote: What bothered me the most was the superstitious fear of a word. What does it have to do with fear or superstition? I really don't know where you guys get this shit from. | ||
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GnarKill
Canada68 Posts
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