Today we are releasing one of our Starcraft 2 players, the Swede Jeffrey 'SjoW' Brusi. His contract expired and we could not come to an agreement to offer him a new contract.
SjoW was the first addition to our Starcraft 2 squad as he joined us in August 2010. We wish him good luck where ever he might go.
dignitassjow @dignitassjow My contract with Team Dignitas has ended and I am now a free agent. Thanks for all the great times
did sjow sign on 'long term' with the rest of dignitas? does this means others are free agents? does this mean sjow is the one who didn't re-sign? interesting.
Really? I thought for sure Dignitas would re-sign him. Sure, he hasn't been super huge but really, nobody on dignitas has. (Except for Naniwa and SeleCT)
Dignitas did recently/recruit another player whom I cannot name due to the lack of an announcement to "replace sjow" in a way, so don't worry! Dignitas fighting :D
Dignitas is a very strong team. I normally associate Sjow with Dignitas (when I think of Sjow, I think Dignitas, and vice versa). Interesting decision on his part to part ways with the team.
On March 02 2012 06:31 Holcan wrote: did sjow sign on 'long term' with the rest of dignitas? does this means others are free agents? does this mean sjow is the one who didn't re-sign? interesting.
I know merz said in an interview his contract was ending in february but dignitas maybe come to an agreement with him to sign a new.
He's going with Quantic...loll. I don't know what they do to Swedish players but I guess they love them. If he's going to Korea with Nani and Sase, he will improve a lot.
It probably depends on his mindset whether he gets an attractive offer. I think he has a lot of motivational problems so he is somewhat inconsistent even though he should be still one of the best Euros when he plays his a-game. Another thing is if he is interested to go to Korea or plans to stay in Sweden. What speaks for him is that he has a good reputation as a mannered player and he has also shown that he can perform under pressure. The problem though is that I cannot think of an established team that is really in need of him he might be a good fit for Liquid though.
On March 02 2012 06:40 js_the_greatest wrote: He's going with Quantic...loll. I don't know what they do to Swedish players but I guess they love them. If he's going to Korea with Nani and Sase, he will improve a lot.
He had a code a seed from a previous season and decided to leave korea, now he has no potential seed so I doubt he has any desire to go to korea.
Is it just me or is dignitas kinda loosing their big names? Bling is pretty much a millenium player given where he lives and select is in korea anyways.
Good luck to Sjow,he's my favorite foreigner Terran.I hope he joins a good team, Mousesports would be the most obvious choice but I'd love to see him on Liquid. Also,I think Dignitas is losing interest in SC2,from the power trio they had only Select remains
On March 02 2012 06:40 mTwTT1 wrote: <3 one of the friendliest players, i hope he gets wat he deserves
called catz crap while speaking to sheth, feels he is too good for him to practice with, loses units due to 0 micro all weekend long at mlg.
add to the fact that dignitas barely gave him 3 sentences in the leaving news, seems like sjow has an overinflated view of his own worth, probably wanted more money ;/
On March 02 2012 06:40 mTwTT1 wrote: <3 one of the friendliest players, i hope he gets wat he deserves
called catz crap while speaking to sheth, feels he is too good for him to practice with, loses units due to 0 micro all weekend long at mlg.
add to the fact that dignitas barely gave him 3 sentences in the leaving news, seems like sjow has an overinflated view of his own worth, probably wanted more money ;/
That was Catz playing on Sheths account, Sjow knew and they were just joking around. Don't start pointing fingers when you have no idea what you are talking about.
I don't normally ever make these kinds of predictions, but I can sort of see Sjow ending up in Liquid. I noticed based on a number of posts over the years that Nazgul kind of likes him, and he's the sort of non-hyped down-to-earth player that would fit right in, and of course a Terran.
Really weird, unexpected news, Dignitas is losing all of their big name players >< who's next SeleCT? Really hope Sjow finds a new team soon, I'd really, really like him on Liquid because they really fucking need another terran, but I could see him on Quantic too.
Well, I don't know if it had been already said in this topic, but Millenium is expected to sign a high-profile European Terran player by the end of 2012 first quarter (i.e. by the end of the month). At least, it had been wished by the team's manager from time to time. It may very well be SjoW's destination.
On March 02 2012 06:40 mTwTT1 wrote: <3 one of the friendliest players, i hope he gets wat he deserves
called catz crap while speaking to sheth, feels he is too good for him to practice with, loses units due to 0 micro all weekend long at mlg.
add to the fact that dignitas barely gave him 3 sentences in the leaving news, seems like sjow has an overinflated view of his own worth, probably wanted more money ;/
Wow, do you also watch Fox news? That was him trolling catz who took over sheths computer when sheth went afk.
On March 02 2012 06:40 mTwTT1 wrote: <3 one of the friendliest players, i hope he gets wat he deserves
called catz crap while speaking to sheth, feels he is too good for him to practice with, loses units due to 0 micro all weekend long at mlg.
add to the fact that dignitas barely gave him 3 sentences in the leaving news, seems like sjow has an overinflated view of his own worth, probably wanted more money ;/
He was just joking around. The other day him and Morrow were joking around similarily taking stabs at eachother. He's a pretty good guy. I see him joining Mouzsports.
Wow um... absolutely shell shocked as a dignitas fan this is not something I want to hear. At least SeleCT is still with the team and in the US right now about to absolutely wreck people. SeleCT is the next to go, as much as it saddens me to say it, the warning signs are there. If they can't afford Sjow's contract I don't think they will be able to hold onto SeleCT, heres hoping its not financials...
On March 02 2012 06:40 mTwTT1 wrote: <3 one of the friendliest players, i hope he gets wat he deserves
called catz crap while speaking to sheth, feels he is too good for him to practice with, loses units due to 0 micro all weekend long at mlg.
add to the fact that dignitas barely gave him 3 sentences in the leaving news, seems like sjow has an overinflated view of his own worth, probably wanted more money ;/
He was just joking around. The other day him and Morrow were joking around similarily taking stabs at eachother. He's a pretty good guy. I see him joining Mouzsports.
Mouz could benefit so much having sjow on their roster.
On March 02 2012 06:40 mTwTT1 wrote: <3 one of the friendliest players, i hope he gets wat he deserves
called catz crap while speaking to sheth, feels he is too good for him to practice with, loses units due to 0 micro all weekend long at mlg.
add to the fact that dignitas barely gave him 3 sentences in the leaving news, seems like sjow has an overinflated view of his own worth, probably wanted more money ;/
.....
On March 02 2012 06:46 Bagi wrote: Wow that sucks, Sjow is the player I really associated with Dignitas.
Hopefully he can find a new team soon.
That was Catz playing on Sheths account, Sjow knew and they were just joking around. Don't start pointing fingers when you have no idea what you are talking about.
LOL. Bet you're feeling like tool now turdburgler.
Edit: I also think he wouldnt really fit into Liquid, since I dont think they would be willing to pay more for him than Dignitas. Mouz could be a better fit, but they already have their own super stars (morrow, hasuobs etc.). I think he would most probably move to a middle tier team thats looking to expand with bigger names (a team like Empire or mTw).
This is sad day for me cause dignitas was my favorite team and i started to like dignitas But sjow good luck in the future you will be always one of my favorite player to watch Edit: i spelled wrong on day
On March 02 2012 07:02 VoirDire wrote: Probably mouz or quantic.
noooooooooooooooooooo
Neither as far as I know.
You guys gotta stop thinking that teams recycle players around the board. Believe it or not, the world doesn't revolve the same players of 2010 or 2011.
Such a good talent. Just not at the very, very top yet but he definitely has the potential. Guess it all depends on the hours and dedication he puts into the game. GL, Sjow.
Haven't seen much of him latley, don't know if he's still practicing as much. Lets hope he gets singed by some big korean team, im sure he'd do well in GSL after some time in korea.
wounder what team will sign a player like show these days, i cant agree with the ppl above me who said "he gets many offers" i dont think a player who didnt showed many good results in last 12months gets to many offers, pretty sure he must/will take one of his only 1.2 offers.
On March 02 2012 06:34 iSometric wrote: Do I hear Liquid?
liquid could use a new terran but i dont see sjow fiting so well in their lineup =s
Yeah TeamLiquid needs a terran, but I think they can (and should) pick up a better player than sjow (no offense to him). But then again, there aren't many good foreign terrans anyways outside of Kas and Thorzain.
it seems like dignitas didnt want to resign sjow, could be a similar situation like grubby's where there was a issue with recent performances. hope sjow bounces back and finds a good team.
On March 02 2012 07:17 Golgotha wrote: it seems like dignitas didnt want to resign sjow, could be a similar situation like grubby's where there was a issue with recent performances. hope sjow bounces back and finds a good team.
Dunno why, SjoW has been the best form i've seen him in for a long long time. I think that either he wanted a raise or as mentioned before Dignitas is slowly letting go of the sc2 scene.
Edit: As for teams to join...probably Empire, mouz or Millenium.
Oh no, this makes me sad. He was the first player I really started paying attention to or following.
I've had many good moments and many heartbreaks watching him, I hope he finds a good team (Mouz? :>), as he has some pretty unique talents that I wouldn't want to see lost.
I know he really wanted to go back to Korea, so maybe it could be something like that causing the departure.
I kind of expected this actually. A great player but just haven't been performing well enough lately I guess. It's all relative as to what he wanted of money for a new contract of course.
I think the reason he didnt resign was because he wanted a progaming house environment to train in and dignitas couldnt provide him this, therefore he left. Will probably end up in either liquid, EG, Millenium, coL or eSahara.
On March 02 2012 07:02 VoirDire wrote: Probably mouz or quantic.
noooooooooooooooooooo
Neither as far as I know.
You guys gotta stop thinking that teams recycle players around the board. Believe it or not, the world doesn't revolve the same players of 2010 or 2011.
While this is true, Players who are top foreigners largely don't remain teamless for a long time.
While I don't think Quantic will take him, Mouz seems like they would be happy to pick him up, plus he knows and gets along with all the players on Mouz afaik. So I think perfect fit for them.
On March 02 2012 07:17 Golgotha wrote: it seems like dignitas didnt want to resign sjow, could be a similar situation like grubby's where there was a issue with recent performances. hope sjow bounces back and finds a good team.
Dunno why, SjoW has been the best form i've seen him in for a long long time. I think that either he wanted a raise or as mentioned before Dignitas is slowly letting go of the sc2 scene.
Edit: As for teams to join...probably Empire, mouz or Millenium.
I wonder when his contract was last renogiated. Presuming it's a year I'd guess he'd have been coming off a very strong performance to take down IEM Kiev and while he's still very good his value has certainly tailed off towards the end of last year (IESF was nice but the field was undoubtedly weak). Might just be a case of Dignitas wanting to offer him less and Sjow not being particularly happy with that.
On March 02 2012 07:11 StuartLove wrote: wounder what team will sign a player like show these days, i cant agree with the ppl above me who said "he gets many offers" i dont think a player who didnt showed many good results in last 12months gets to many offers, pretty sure he must/will take one of his only 1.2 offers.
If you don´t think he has had good results you haven´t followed him in the latest tournaments. It´s not like he crushes everything but he is def top3 Terran in Europe and he has beaten good koreans in online tournaments. At the same time I don´t think he will be joining a "B" team because he is better than merz and he is staying in dignitas it seems. I definently think he is either fed up with sc2 and off to do other things or that he is going to join a team that has a pro house or lets him go to korea,
Personally I am hoping for either mouz, liquid or Quantic.
On March 02 2012 07:17 Golgotha wrote: it seems like dignitas didnt want to resign sjow, could be a similar situation like grubby's where there was a issue with recent performances. hope sjow bounces back and finds a good team.
Dunno why, SjoW has been the best form i've seen him in for a long long time. I think that either he wanted a raise or as mentioned before Dignitas is slowly letting go of the sc2 scene.
Edit: As for teams to join...probably Empire, mouz or Millenium.
I wonder when his contract was last renogiated. Presuming it's a year I'd guess he'd have been coming off a very strong performance to take down IEM Kiev and while he's still very good his value has certainly tailed off towards the end of last year (IESF was nice but the field was undoubtedly weak). Might just be a case of Dignitas wanting to offer him less and Sjow not being particularly happy with that.
Probably just talking out of my arse though =p
Entirely possible, might be related to the success of BlinG but who knows. Until recently SjoW and SeleCT have been the posterboys for the front of Dignitas SC2 ever since NaNi left imo so it feels very wierd for them to just slam him down.
sjow is one of the most underrated players around.
always does well in tournaments... and don't give me the BS "he didnt do well at MLG"... wtf? he lost to violet and nestea... OMG WHO ARE THOSE NOOBS??!!!! at MLG he also beat haypro 2-0, and then thorzain lost 2-0 to haypro in the consolation bracket...
consistently since the beta sjow has been one of the strongest foreign terrans period.
his micro and macro are sometimes sloppy, but if micro and macro were the only things that mattered then idra would be the best player in the world.
On March 02 2012 07:14 Koshi wrote: Didnt Sjow this comming. Best luck to him.
*shakes head*
That was appalling.
I say there are 2 obvious options: CoLMVP or Quantic.
there's no way coLMvP is gonna shell out for sjow after just picking up NaDa, Heart, and Killer. I think Mouz or Millenium will be the team he's go to.
On March 02 2012 07:26 shizna wrote: sjow is one of the most underrated players around.
always does well in tournaments... and don't give me the BS "he didnt do well at MLG"... wtf? he lost to violet and nestea... OMG SUCKY!!!! remember he beat haypro 2-0, and thorzain lost 2-0 to haypro in the consolation bracket...
consistently since the beta sjow has been one of the strongest foreign terrans period.
his micro and macro are sometimes sloppy, but if micro and macro were the only things that mattered then idra would be the best player in the world.
I 100% agree with this, Sjow is awesome, I am actually very very disappointed in Dignitas right now, it may not be their fault, but it sure as hell seems like it. Such a shame Dignitas really can't afford to keep losing these big name players.
On March 02 2012 07:28 nooboon wrote: Dignitas still has a decent line up. Not one of the best but still good nonetheless. Killer and Bling will need to step up soon though.
As for teams; wasn't he practicing at the NSH house? Sjow might go to a korean team if possible.
Should change the title to Sjow is released by Diginitas.
Not suprised though, he's been slumping hard for a while, and probably wanted a contract that might have been justifiable during his IEM victory days but not now, or something like that.
On March 02 2012 07:11 StuartLove wrote: wounder what team will sign a player like show these days, i cant agree with the ppl above me who said "he gets many offers" i dont think a player who didnt showed many good results in last 12months gets to many offers, pretty sure he must/will take one of his only 1.2 offers.
If you don´t think he has had good results you haven´t followed him in the latest tournaments. It´s not like he crushes everything but he is def top3 Terran in Europe and he has beaten good koreans in online tournaments. At the same time I don´t think he will be joining a "B" team because he is better than merz and he is staying in dignitas it seems. I definently think he is either fed up with sc2 and off to do other things or that he is going to join a team that has a pro house or lets him go to korea,
Personally I am hoping for either mouz, liquid or Quantic.
my 2 cents.
I don't know about Top 3.... ThorZaIN and Kas are definitely above him, I might actually rate BeastyQT above him tbh.
Lack of results most likely. Not worth the money anymore...said they couldnt "come to an agreement" which means they probably couldnt agree on a salary, as in Sjow wanted more than they were willing to pay, which comes back around to lack of results.
I really hope he finds a new team with good practise partners. Sjow, allthough gone from the limelight for quite a while, has been playing quite a lot recently. Don't doubt his chances to become a top player yet again if he just keeps grinding it out.
I love Dignitas, I hope that they don't fall the same way of Reign. If money was a problem making a new contract, getting new players seems unlikely too. Hope that they continue.
Guess mouzSjow or QXGSjow is realistic. But still, I would love to see Liquid'Sjow. TL could need another Terran player and Sjow, if he is motivated and in shape, is a beast
I hope he doesn't find a team until he shows some willingness to improve by bringing his apm at least close to "pro" level. Everybody knows you can't be a top player unless you're fast.
SjoW is going to be an amazing pickup for some team, would love to see him go to Quantic and train in korea, easily one of the most underrated terrens.
On March 02 2012 07:13 Slardar wrote: Sjow always seems consistant of a player, but never top-tier. I could see him joining iG, or LighT or ViLe, something along those lines.
I hate it when you don't get to know any why's when players are "let go". Do they feel that SjoW hasn't performed well enough to be part of Dignitas, or could they simply not afford to have another player on the team?
On March 02 2012 07:42 niteReloaded wrote: I hope he doesn't find a team until he shows some willingness to improve by bringing his apm at least close to "pro" level. Everybody knows you can't be a top player unless you're fast.
Seriously? He is one of the few foreigners who survived the first round of Code A, has had pretty solid and consistent MLG showings. Bomber even said his TvT was Code S caliber.
Sjow deserves a good team because he is a top foreigner with results.
On March 02 2012 07:13 Slardar wrote: Sjow always seems consistant of a player, but never top-tier. I could see him joining iG, or LighT or ViLe, something along those lines.
Lol, definitely no...
Dunno man...... his market value and what people perceive him as is not "ultra amazing" he's the silent guy that always comes in and places very well. There is no value in being underrated...huge value in being overrated. He could also join one of the EU powerhouses no question about that!
On March 02 2012 07:54 Zzoram wrote: Liquid certainly needs a new Terran, so it's possible. However, we don't know how much money Sjow costs and Liquid doesn't have that many sponsors.
Liquid is very deliberate about how they add players, Zenio being more of an exception than anything. I doubt they'll add Sjow on a whim unless it's something that's been in the works for a while. Of course it could be something along those line since he know TLO and all but I doubt it.
On March 02 2012 07:56 rckY wrote: Join Team Grubby!
I know you aren't really being serious but Grubby said in an interview after MLG that the whole "Team Grubby" concept have basically been put on hold and no players will be added atm. He's a one man show.
On March 02 2012 07:31 1Eris1 wrote: Should change the title to Sjow is released by Diginitas.
Not suprised though, he's been slumping hard for a while, and probably wanted a contract that might have been justifiable during his IEM victory days but not now, or something like that.
Korean squad maybe? I don't see how they couldn't come to an agreement if he were to stay in Sweden. Considering the reasons Naniwa left Dignitas I don't think it's too far fetched to expect Sjow to at least start playing in Korea.
Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming.
Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th...
Your argument is invalid.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming.
Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th...
Your argument is invalid.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was by mentioning FruitDealers position on that money ranking.
So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again?
Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming.
Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th...
Your argument is invalid.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was.
So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again?
If you earned that much money outside of winning the GSL you've won quite a number of tournaments. Usually this means you're pretty damn good.
Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming.
Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th...
Your argument is invalid.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was.
So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again?
If you earned that much money outside of winning the GSL you've won quite a number of tournaments. Usually this means you're pretty damn good.
Usually, indeed. The original guy said "if anyone doubts his ability", doubts to what extent? I wont disagree with the fact that he's good, he obviously is. I don't think he's at the ThorZaIN, Kas etc level (the top foreigner level basically). I think he's definitely good enough to fit in Dignitas though. I'd say that they made him an offer but he declined it, maybe it's the other way around, that he believes he's stronger than he actually is ? Just speculation!
Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming.
Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th...
Your argument is invalid.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was by mentioning FruitDealers position on that money ranking.
So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again?
Then your argument was horseshit to begin with. SC2earnings also shows where that money came from which taken in combination with the earnings ranking is extremely useful and solid information. If you choose to discard that to make some strawman logical fallacy then that's your own business.
On March 02 2012 08:20 RenardDesMers wrote: He probably won't join Mouz as Throzain just told him "Good luck with finding a new team!" on Twitter
Or it is a joke, and they both know it already
Possible, I don't know Thorzain personnaly but it didn't seem like a joke Thorzain would have done.
He's just recently been announced as teamless and Thorzain is probably not the one recruiting players for mouz so I don't think it means anything in any direction.
Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming.
Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th...
Your argument is invalid.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was by mentioning FruitDealers position on that money ranking.
So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again?
Then your argument was horseshit to begin with. SC2earnings also shows where that money came from which taken in combination with the earnings ranking is extremely useful and solid information. If you choose to discard that to make some strawman logical fallacy then that's your own business.
How was his argument horseshit to begin with? He was calling someone out for saying X won a lot of money, must be good! In no way did he say sjow was bad, he was just pointing out that HERP DERP LOTs O MONEY doesn't mean obligatory good. You sir need to calm down when called out.
Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming.
Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th...
Your argument is invalid.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was.
So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again?
If you earned that much money outside of winning the GSL you've won quite a number of tournaments. Usually this means you're pretty damn good.
Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is.
For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international.
Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming.
Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th...
Your argument is invalid.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was by mentioning FruitDealers position on that money ranking.
So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again?
Then your argument was horseshit to begin with. SC2earnings also shows where that money came from which taken in combination with the earnings ranking is extremely useful and solid information. If you choose to discard that to make some strawman logical fallacy then that's your own business.
I never said it's useful information, I never said it wasn't solid.
I'm saying that just because you earned more money than other doesn't mean you're better than others. There ARE cases where it's true, MVP and NesTea being a good example. However, there are players who are much better than Sjow who have earned less according to those rankings. An obvious factor being time played, Sjow has been around since the beta. If you're semi-successful it's obvious that you'll earn a decent chunk of money from it. That doesn't mean that he's better than people who are beneath him on that ranking.
Now, I need to ask you again. Which argument are you saying was horseshit? Because I don't really understand what you're calling me out for. Why the hell are you getting touchy haha? Do you actually think that Sjow is skilled due to the fact that he earned alot of money? And what the hell is my "strawman logical fallacy"...?
Can we not agree that our judgement of the player's skill is largely subjective, and therefore moot? regardless he was one of the bigger names in the dignitas line up there is definitely a lot more to this then we have been told seen as we have been told next to nothing.
Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming.
Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th...
Your argument is invalid.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was.
So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again?
If you earned that much money outside of winning the GSL you've won quite a number of tournaments. Usually this means you're pretty damn good.
Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is.
For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international.
Stephano got 30k from IPL 3. And still has 92k winnings
Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming.
Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th...
Your argument is invalid.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was.
So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again?
If you earned that much money outside of winning the GSL you've won quite a number of tournaments. Usually this means you're pretty damn good.
Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is.
For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international.
While I appreciate the sentiment behind the post let's keep facts accurate. Stephano won $30k from IPL 3.
Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming.
Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th...
Your argument is invalid.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was.
So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again?
If you earned that much money outside of winning the GSL you've won quite a number of tournaments. Usually this means you're pretty damn good.
Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is.
For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international.
You are indeed correct sir,
However it is a fine measure of how hard working someone is! Sjow has won a large number of small tournaments to get to that ranking. What was stopping any other Pro player from joining the same tournaments (dis-regarding the invite only tournaments) thus deterring Sjow from victory? Sjow clearly wants to win whether the prize pool is big small or virtually non-existant.
Therefore in my eyes. He is a valuable player.
Your first reply was a strawman. You answered in a way that the person you responded to probably didn't mean. Even if he did you filled in the blanks and went off on a tangent. We are talking about Sjow and his accomplishements
Agree'd with poster below me. I was not linking his earnings as some sort of trophy that meant something. But rather as what I'm referring to in this post here. -edit
Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming.
Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th...
Your argument is invalid.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was by mentioning FruitDealers position on that money ranking.
So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again?
Then your argument was horseshit to begin with. SC2earnings also shows where that money came from which taken in combination with the earnings ranking is extremely useful and solid information. If you choose to discard that to make some strawman logical fallacy then that's your own business.
I never said it's useful information, I never said it wasn't solid.
I'm saying that just because you earned more money than other doesn't mean you're better than others. There ARE cases where it's true, MVP and NesTea being a good example. However, there are players who are much better than Sjow who have earned less according to those rankings. An obvious factor being time played, Sjow has been around since the beta. If you're semi-successful it's obvious that you'll earn a decent chunk of money from it. That doesn't mean that he's better than people who are beneath him on that ranking.
Now, I need to ask you again. Which argument are you saying was horseshit? Because I don't really understand what you're calling me out for. Why the hell are you getting touchy haha? Do you actually think that Sjow is skilled due to the fact that he earned alot of money? And what the hell is my "strawman logical fallacy"...?
EDIT: What Kennigit said above me .
Your first reply was a strawman. You answered in a way that the person you responded to probably didn't mean. Even if he did you filled in the blanks, put words in his mouth and went off on a tangent. We are talking about Sjow and his accomplishements not the value of money earned in general.
Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming.
Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th...
Your argument is invalid.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was by mentioning FruitDealers position on that money ranking.
So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again?
Then your argument was horseshit to begin with. SC2earnings also shows where that money came from which taken in combination with the earnings ranking is extremely useful and solid information. If you choose to discard that to make some strawman logical fallacy then that's your own business.
I never said it's useful information, I never said it wasn't solid.
I'm saying that just because you earned more money than other doesn't mean you're better than others. There ARE cases where it's true, MVP and NesTea being a good example. However, there are players who are much better than Sjow who have earned less according to those rankings. An obvious factor being time played, Sjow has been around since the beta. If you're semi-successful it's obvious that you'll earn a decent chunk of money from it. That doesn't mean that he's better than people who are beneath him on that ranking.
Now, I need to ask you again. Which argument are you saying was horseshit? Because I don't really understand what you're calling me out for. Why the hell are you getting touchy haha? Do you actually think that Sjow is skilled due to the fact that he earned alot of money? And what the hell is my "strawman logical fallacy"...?
EDIT: What Kennigit said above me .
Your first reply was a strawman. You answered in a way that the person you responded to probably didn't mean. Even if he did you filled in the blanks, put words in his mouth and went off on a tangent. We are talking about Sjow and his accomplishements not the value of money earned in general.
My reply was meant to be elaborated by the reader.
With people like Fruitdealer on a spot like 8 which I pointed out you can draw the conclusion that moneyrankings aren't the best ways to rank player skill, which was my point.
The guy said that if you doubt his ability then look at his money rankings. How the hell am I putting words into his mouth and "going off on a tangent"? If anyone went off on a tangent it's TB rofl.
TotalBiscuit, the original post was relating skill to earnings rank, not where those earnings came from. That is what Sereniity took issue with, and he is right. What are you arguing about?
Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming.
Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th...
Your argument is invalid.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was.
So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again?
If you earned that much money outside of winning the GSL you've won quite a number of tournaments. Usually this means you're pretty damn good.
Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is.
For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international.
IPL3 was 30K, IIRC. As I said in my post before that, that is assuming no GSL money (as winning 1 GSL means you get more than any foreigner apart from the top5.)
To directly compare skill prize winnings is quite an awful metric. But if you use it in a reasonable way you can actually show(dohoho) that a player isn't completely worthless.
As for going by TLPD:
By your idea RS_Soulman and DDE are better than players like NaDa, DIMAGA and Kas. Not saying ELO ranking is a pure shit system but it has just as many flaws as it relies on that you play in a lot of tournaments or get a couple of "lucky" wins vs a person in the top of the ELO ranking.
SEA players are the best example of how flawed the ELO ranking system can be at times, imo. Though just like prize winnings it can be used as an argument if used reasonably (for example not screaming "STEPHANO BEST FOREIGNER #1 ELO!!!!!")
can we not have this thread be about how much which player has earned, and instead post about how sad we are that he is leaving dig? . No doubt he will be picked up by a strong team, just not sure which one.
On March 02 2012 09:01 Darkhoarse wrote: can we not have this thread be about how much which player has earned, and instead post about how sad we are that he is leaving dig? . No doubt he will be picked up by a strong team, just not sure which one.
This isn't about who has earned the most. This is about some people being silly and putting down SjoW's achievements, implying that he isn't that great of a player. Which is very, very wrong.
So sad T_T! Been playing with SjoW since the day he recommended dignitas to pick me up, just a couple of weeks after he destroyed me at an offline event. We had some sick fun at events and I gained a new friend in SjoW during these past 2 years, really sucks to see him go, and it went fast and sort of unexpected... I wish you GL man, I'll still see you at events, will be weird seeing you in another team though .
Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming.
Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th...
Your argument is invalid.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was.
So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again?
If you earned that much money outside of winning the GSL you've won quite a number of tournaments. Usually this means you're pretty damn good.
Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is.
For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international.
the tlpd is as misleading as the prize money, for example it doesn't include sjows IeSF win among others.
I actually saw this coming a long time ago! SjoW needs to go to korea! and be there full-time! I hope he finds a team that will send him there for a long time now! and he will grow skills so fast.
I feel this would be a good pick for Liquid. Liquid desperatly needs a Terran players and SjoW is currently on the market. Also SjoW's reputation/mentality would go well in Liquid and he wouldn't be out of place.
In case anyone gave a damn: If SjoW doesn't end up on Liquid I would expect Kas or ThorZaIN to be recruited when their contracts expire.
Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming.
Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th...
Your argument is invalid.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was.
So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again?
If you earned that much money outside of winning the GSL you've won quite a number of tournaments. Usually this means you're pretty damn good.
Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is.
For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international.
the tlpd is as misleading as the prize money, for example it doesn't include sjows IeSF win among others.
And 51st ELO rank is still pretty good. That is 17th best foreigner.
Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming.
Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th...
Your argument is invalid.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was.
So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again?
If you earned that much money outside of winning the GSL you've won quite a number of tournaments. Usually this means you're pretty damn good.
Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is.
For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international.
the tlpd is as misleading as the prize money, for example it doesn't include sjows IeSF win among others.
And 51st ELO rank is still pretty good. That is 17th best foreigner.
If you'd go by the money ranking, Sjow would be ranked 19th globally.
If you'd go by the ELO ranking Sjow would be ranked 51st globally.
I think Kennigits reference was more to show how big the difference is between the two things - none of them are really good to judge player skill, which the differentials clearly prove.
Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming.
Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th...
Your argument is invalid.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was.
So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again?
If you earned that much money outside of winning the GSL you've won quite a number of tournaments. Usually this means you're pretty damn good.
Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is.
For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international.
the tlpd is as misleading as the prize money, for example it doesn't include sjows IeSF win among others.
And 51st ELO rank is still pretty good. That is 17th best foreigner.
If you'd go by the money ranking, Sjow would be ranked 19th globally.
If you'd go by the ELO ranking Sjow would be ranked 51st globally.
I think Kennigits reference was more to show how big the difference is between the two things - none of them are really good to judge player skill, which the differentials clearly prove.
well the thing is, the ELO system is designed to show objective skill, you cant argue that they are equally bad because money is just a subjective measure. as was pointed out, you can easily find cases of easier matches resulting in more money.
Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming.
Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th...
Your argument is invalid.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was.
So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again?
If you earned that much money outside of winning the GSL you've won quite a number of tournaments. Usually this means you're pretty damn good.
Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is.
For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international.
the tlpd is as misleading as the prize money, for example it doesn't include sjows IeSF win among others.
And 51st ELO rank is still pretty good. That is 17th best foreigner.
If you'd go by the money ranking, Sjow would be ranked 19th globally.
If you'd go by the ELO ranking Sjow would be ranked 51st globally.
I think Kennigits reference was more to show how big the difference is between the two things - none of them are really good to judge player skill, which the differentials clearly prove.
well the thing is, the ELO system is designed to show objective skill, you cant argue that they are equally bad because money is just a subjective measure. as was pointed out, you can easily find cases of easier matches resulting in more money.
Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing? Confused... .
Ah such a shame to see him leave dignitas, in my eyes he was always the best low apm pro out there. I really hope he gets picked up quickly by a good team, all the best to him!
Way to raise your post count by 1 without adding nothing to the topic at hand.
Back on the topic...
This is obviously huge news for Dignitas. SjoW was one of the faces of the SC2 team along with SeleCt (not to mention the already departed NaNiWa). Will they be able to keep SeleCt on the roster?
In case anyone gave a damn: If SjoW doesn't end up on Liquid I would expect Kas or ThorZaIN to be recruited when their contracts expire.
sjow thinks he is worth more than he is. IMO he's not on the level of a kas or thorzain, they would be infinitely better pick ups for any team.
What are you talking about? He is easily top 3 terran in Europe. Didn´t he 2-0 Kas just recently etc? There are very few terrans who are as smart as SjoW in game.
Those who say he is overrated cannot have watched his recent games.
[QUOTE]On March 02 2012 11:10 pseudocalm wrote: [quote]In case anyone gave a damn: If SjoW doesn't end up on Liquid I would expect Kas or ThorZaIN to be recruited when their contracts expire.[/quote]
Sjow was prob their most clutch player overall i think imo. Even when he was behind in games in tournaments he played in the past year he seemed to pull out unlikely wins which was always fun to watch him.
[QUOTE]On March 02 2012 12:09 Kznn wrote: [QUOTE]On March 02 2012 11:10 pseudocalm wrote: [quote]In case anyone gave a damn: If SjoW doesn't end up on Liquid I would expect Kas or ThorZaIN to be recruited when their contracts expire.[/quote]
My first thought was "Quantic!" because they have few good terrans, theogonis and flo basically, but then I remembered liquid, they REALLY need a terran, Jinro's the only one.
nazguel has said he doesnt give a fuck about racial distribution for team liquid so i highly doubt he'd sign sjow just because he is a terran. there would need to be more justification if he does end up getting signed.
Sjow has always been an underrated player (perhaps due to his low APM), and this seems evident by the reactions of some of the posters in this thread. Furthermore, he has been a very consistent player, doing well for a long period of time and surviving many shifts in the metagame.
[QUOTE]On March 02 2012 12:09 Kznn wrote: [QUOTE]On March 02 2012 11:10 pseudocalm wrote: [quote]In case anyone gave a damn: If SjoW doesn't end up on Liquid I would expect Kas or ThorZaIN to be recruited when their contracts expire.[/quote]
yeah... liquid`thorzain sounds awesome[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Thorzain just seems like such a .. Liquid player.. I don't even know what that means other than that it'd feel "right" to me seeing him come out after a Ret in matches
In case anyone gave a damn: If SjoW doesn't end up on Liquid I would expect Kas or ThorZaIN to be recruited when their contracts expire.
sjow thinks he is worth more than he is. IMO he's not on the level of a kas or thorzain, they would be infinitely better pick ups for any team.
What are you talking about? He is easily top 3 terran in Europe. Didn´t he 2-0 Kas just recently etc? There are very few terrans who are as smart as SjoW in game.
Those who say he is overrated cannot have watched his recent games.
There is no way he is top 3 Terran in Europe when we have;
Kas Beastyqt Thorzain
In my opinion they are the top 3 ^
Followed by;
Jinro
I think Sjow is more along the level of skill such as BratOK, Strelok, Satiini, Cloud,
P.S - One game well you play well and take a win does not mean you are entirely better then your opponent. Reference the Demuslim vs Nestea match as an example. But I will give credibility where it's due, you are only good as your last game.....
In case anyone gave a damn: If SjoW doesn't end up on Liquid I would expect Kas or ThorZaIN to be recruited when their contracts expire.
sjow thinks he is worth more than he is. IMO he's not on the level of a kas or thorzain, they would be infinitely better pick ups for any team.
What are you talking about? He is easily top 3 terran in Europe. Didn´t he 2-0 Kas just recently etc? There are very few terrans who are as smart as SjoW in game.
Those who say he is overrated cannot have watched his recent games.
There is no way he is top 3 Terran in Europe when we have;
Kas Beastyqt Thorzain
In my opinion they are the top 3 ^
Followed by;
Jinro
I think Sjow is more along the level of skill such as BratOK, Strelok, Satiini, Cloud,
P.S - One game well you play well and take a win does not mean you are entirely better then your opponent. Reference the Demuslim vs Nestea match as an example. But I will give credibility where it's due, you are only good as your last game.....
They are probably getting new players and couldn't afford sjow anymore, he is an excellent player and I hope he is picked up sonn. I foresee dignitas kiwikaki
In case anyone gave a damn: If SjoW doesn't end up on Liquid I would expect Kas or ThorZaIN to be recruited when their contracts expire.
sjow thinks he is worth more than he is. IMO he's not on the level of a kas or thorzain, they would be infinitely better pick ups for any team.
What are you talking about? He is easily top 3 terran in Europe. Didn´t he 2-0 Kas just recently etc? There are very few terrans who are as smart as SjoW in game.
Those who say he is overrated cannot have watched his recent games.
There is no way he is top 3 Terran in Europe when we have;
Kas Beastyqt Thorzain
In my opinion they are the top 3 ^
Followed by;
Jinro
I think Sjow is more along the level of skill such as BratOK, Strelok, Satiini, Cloud,
P.S - One game well you play well and take a win does not mean you are entirely better then your opponent. Reference the Demuslim vs Nestea match as an example. But I will give credibility where it's due, you are only good as your last game.....
In case anyone gave a damn: If SjoW doesn't end up on Liquid I would expect Kas or ThorZaIN to be recruited when their contracts expire.
sjow thinks he is worth more than he is. IMO he's not on the level of a kas or thorzain, they would be infinitely better pick ups for any team.
What are you talking about? He is easily top 3 terran in Europe. Didn´t he 2-0 Kas just recently etc? There are very few terrans who are as smart as SjoW in game.
Those who say he is overrated cannot have watched his recent games.
There is no way he is top 3 Terran in Europe when we have;
Kas Beastyqt Thorzain
In my opinion they are the top 3 ^
Followed by;
Jinro
I think Sjow is more along the level of skill such as BratOK, Strelok, Satiini, Cloud,
P.S - One game well you play well and take a win does not mean you are entirely better then your opponent. Reference the Demuslim vs Nestea match as an example. But I will give credibility where it's due, you are only good as your last game.....
On March 02 2012 14:32 how wrote: They are probably getting new players and couldn't afford sjow anymore, he is an excellent player and I hope he is picked up sonn. I foresee dignitas kiwikaki
kiwi isnt joining a team. he is going back to poker
Shame about SjoW, I always liked dignitas, was so sweet with SjoW, Nani and Select. Just hope they dont fall by the wayside since they keep loosing players...
Don't forget that Sjow made it past the first round of code A in November, his TvT is as good as the best foreigners and I'm sure he'll find a team soon. Maybe Quantic to join Naniwa, although I don't know if he really wants to train in Korea.
On March 02 2012 14:05 HeroHenry wrote: Why do people look at Jinro and rank him so highly when he haven't done anything at all in so long.
? Which progamers in Korea have done "anything". It's the most competitive scene in the world with the least amount of tournaments to post results in. Why do you think? Jinro is easily a top Euro terran but being in Korea means his "results" are going to be skimpy.
On March 02 2012 06:24 AyaaLa wrote: That is unexpected.
I wonder if there ever was a news about someone leaving a team, joining a team that wasn't unexpected.
In all honesty he should join TL. With Jinro slumping for the past 8 months or so and TLO switching to zerg it would be good to enlist a Terran player without such a problem. Plus it could be beneficial to Jinro to have someone to discuss his play with.
On March 02 2012 14:05 HeroHenry wrote: Why do people look at Jinro and rank him so highly when he haven't done anything at all in so long.
? Which progamers in Korea have done "anything". It's the most competitive scene in the world with the least amount of tournaments to post results in. Why do you think? Jinro is easily a top Euro terran but being in Korea means his "results" are going to be skimpy.
That's stupid. Look at his record:
Assembly Winter 2011: Lost to elfi, teaja, won with adelscott. Unimpressive. IPL TAC: lost to Sase and artist NASL S2: lost to HwangSin and IdrA MLG Orlando: lost to SaSe and Polt. ...
or the other way around:
In international tournaments he won with: sycknesS (MLG Orlando) Bo3 ChAnCe (MLG Providence) Bo3 Slivko (NASTL S1) Bo1 Adelscott (Assembly Winter 2012)
and that's all since Assembly Winter 2012. Definitely Jinro still is unable to figure out his game. Sad, as I would love him to do so.
In case anyone gave a damn: If SjoW doesn't end up on Liquid I would expect Kas or ThorZaIN to be recruited when their contracts expire.
sjow thinks he is worth more than he is. IMO he's not on the level of a kas or thorzain, they would be infinitely better pick ups for any team.
What are you talking about? He is easily top 3 terran in Europe. Didn´t he 2-0 Kas just recently etc? There are very few terrans who are as smart as SjoW in game.
Those who say he is overrated cannot have watched his recent games.
There is no way he is top 3 Terran in Europe when we have;
Kas Beastyqt Thorzain
In my opinion they are the top 3 ^
Followed by;
Jinro
I think Sjow is more along the level of skill such as BratOK, Strelok, Satiini, Cloud,
P.S - One game well you play well and take a win does not mean you are entirely better then your opponent. Reference the Demuslim vs Nestea match as an example. But I will give credibility where it's due, you are only good as your last game.....
Overall I agree but when Sjow is at his best he's at the very top level. I don't know if it's motivational reasons or whatever but he's a inconsisten which is why he falls into the latter category.
Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming.
Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th...
Your argument is invalid.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was.
So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again?
If you earned that much money outside of winning the GSL you've won quite a number of tournaments. Usually this means you're pretty damn good.
Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is.
For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international.
What? Stephano got 30k from IPL3. Thats not even close to 80k. Sjow participated in a lot of event and i think his prize winnings can tell you something about his skill. (his whole winnings don't come from one event).
Sad to see to be honest, since he seems to be a nice guy. But his results have not been the best for quite some time now... On the other hand, Dignitas should start hiring again, SeleCt is pretty good, Killer is a good Zerg, and Bling up and coming, but I am not sure that´s enough to compete with the likes of Mouz, Empire, EG, Liquid etc...
it's kinda wierd to think that probably a year ago, when i thought of Dignitas, it was the names Naniwa, SelecT and Sjow-- now SelecT is only one of those three guys still with the team =\
On March 02 2012 17:29 ChriseC wrote: ye dignitas is dying out
Hardly... they had 3 players at and advancing past groups at Assembly... Select, Bischu and Bling. Yeah they could use another big name, but they have a strong team still.
On March 02 2012 17:32 Nekovivie wrote: Didn't even know what race he played till I checked, guess he isn't one of the more well known ones.
He is one of the few foreigners that managed to win in code A. He has had some pretty dominant wins, first and foremost his IEM-win. But that's a long time ago and he seems to have faded since then, only showing glimpses once in a while.
He was along with Jinro my first favorite player. I guess I jinxed them both.
Dignitas have most likely noticed that the goalposts have moved a lot in Sc2 since they picked up their core roster over a year ago and much like Fnatic are clearing out players who are in decline and replacing them with players on an upward trend.
Sjow is a solid Terran players but his results in the second half of 2011 weren't anything like as good as his results in early 2011 and 2010.
I think most people wouldn't rank Sjow as being in the top 20 foreign players right now so the chances of him posting major LAN results (like a top 4 IEM or top 8 MLG/DH/IPL) aren't so good with Koreans in attendance.
A lot of it also comes down to how much Sjow was asking for from Dignitas.
On March 02 2012 18:40 Seraphone wrote: Dignitas have most likely noticed that the goalposts have moved a lot in Sc2 since they picked up their core roster over a year ago and much like Fnatic are clearing out players who are in decline and replacing them with players on an upward trend.
Sjow is a solid Terran players but his results in the second half of 2011 weren't anything like as good as his results in early 2011 and 2010.
I think most people wouldn't rank Sjow as being in the top 20 foreign players right now so the chances of him posting major LAN results (like a top 4 IEM or top 8 MLG/DH/IPL) aren't so good with Koreans in attendance.
I am sure a good team will pick Sjow up. He is really good. What I am more worried about is the Starcraft roster of Dignitas... I hope some new players join soon.
On March 02 2012 06:27 Arterial wrote: Dignitas' SC lineup doesn't seem to be all that strong anymore, with only SelecT and Bling....It was good with Naniwa in it but yeah he's gone too.
Merz and Bischu, merz overall being pretty good aswell and Bischu is a beast in teamleagues it seems, having done all-kills in IPL TAC. Also killer is pretty good. Although, They have dream and tandongho, who I think could really be incredible in the future, those 2 seems somewhat inactive, but they have potential.
When people talk about Sjow not having the best results lately, I think people need to remember that it applies to all foreigners. Once the Koreans entered the scene, only a few players have been able to keep up. Since Naniwa left Dignitas, Sjow has still had the best results out of everyone in the team, even if people may consider Select the better player overall. I have doubt in my mind that Dignitas would have wanted to keep Sjow in their roster.
It must have come down to them not being able to afford him, and other teams probably having better deals.
On March 02 2012 16:52 hrvoje07 wrote: What? Stephano got 30k from IPL3. Thats not even close to 80k. Sjow participated in a lot of event and i think his prize winnings can tell you something about his skill. (his whole winnings don't come from one event).
Pretty much this. If you choose to just look solely at his earnings ranking and not the information that is RIGHT FUCKING THERE ON THE PAGE then your argument is pretty much horseshit. You can't just say "oh well that's all I was talking about!", it's like deliberate sodding ignorance. The guy who originally posted was making the assumption that people wouldn't be dumbasses and actually take into account ALL the information that was right there available, rather than just say "herpderp, fruitdealer is 8th, argument invalid".
People are more interested in being pedantic than having a sensible discussion it seems.
Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia.
Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was.
So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again?
If you earned that much money outside of winning the GSL you've won quite a number of tournaments. Usually this means you're pretty damn good.
Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is.
For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international.
the tlpd is as misleading as the prize money, for example it doesn't include sjows IeSF win among others.
And 51st ELO rank is still pretty good. That is 17th best foreigner.
If you'd go by the money ranking, Sjow would be ranked 19th globally.
If you'd go by the ELO ranking Sjow would be ranked 51st globally.
I think Kennigits reference was more to show how big the difference is between the two things - none of them are really good to judge player skill, which the differentials clearly prove.
well the thing is, the ELO system is designed to show objective skill, you cant argue that they are equally bad because money is just a subjective measure. as was pointed out, you can easily find cases of easier matches resulting in more money.
Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing? Confused... .
your post implies that just counting winnings or just looking at elo are equally bad measures. im pointing out that they are both flawed, but they arent equally flawed. winnings gives much more lopsided results than elo.
for example, nestea has fallen off recently, so maybe you he is 5th in the world in elo (for example), but his winnings will be top 1-2 for years to come as players come and go, based purely on winnings you would say hes 2nd best!
then the other example of winning an mlg after the korean invites, just as hard as any other non code s league, and yet it only rewarded 5k. there were many other leagues with barely any koreans, or second tier koreans, that rewarded more money.
sjow is a good player but he certainly isnt top 20 in the world, top 50 as elo indicates sounds much more reasonable.
On March 02 2012 16:52 hrvoje07 wrote: What? Stephano got 30k from IPL3. Thats not even close to 80k. Sjow participated in a lot of event and i think his prize winnings can tell you something about his skill. (his whole winnings don't come from one event).
Pretty much this. If you choose to just look solely at his earnings ranking and not the information that is RIGHT FUCKING THERE ON THE PAGE then your argument is pretty much horseshit. You can't just say "oh well that's all I was talking about!", it's like deliberate sodding ignorance. The guy who originally posted was making the assumption that people wouldn't be dumbasses and actually take into account ALL the information that was right there available, rather than just say "herpderp, fruitdealer is 8th, argument invalid".
People are more interested in being pedantic than having a sensible discussion it seems.
Chill TB, you know this is just a sjow, just take a sjower and relax, we know he's skilled, i'll miss him... I cant live hearing his name without dignitas.
On March 02 2012 16:52 hrvoje07 wrote: What? Stephano got 30k from IPL3. Thats not even close to 80k. Sjow participated in a lot of event and i think his prize winnings can tell you something about his skill. (his whole winnings don't come from one event).
Pretty much this. If you choose to just look solely at his earnings ranking and not the information that is RIGHT FUCKING THERE ON THE PAGE then your argument is pretty much horseshit. You can't just say "oh well that's all I was talking about!", it's like deliberate sodding ignorance. The guy who originally posted was making the assumption that people wouldn't be dumbasses and actually take into account ALL the information that was right there available, rather than just say "herpderp, fruitdealer is 8th, argument invalid".
People are more interested in being pedantic than having a sensible discussion it seems.
Chill TB, you know this is just a sjow, just take a sjower and relax, we know he's skilled, i'll miss him... I cant live hearing his name without dignitas.
Gunnar Optics needs to form a team with the tag "GUN" and hire only Sjow.
On March 02 2012 07:11 StuartLove wrote: wounder what team will sign a player like show these days, i cant agree with the ppl above me who said "he gets many offers" i dont think a player who didnt showed many good results in last 12months gets to many offers, pretty sure he must/will take one of his only 1.2 offers.
If you don´t think he has had good results you haven´t followed him in the latest tournaments. It´s not like he crushes everything but he is def top3 Terran in Europe and he has beaten good koreans in online tournaments. At the same time I don´t think he will be joining a "B" team because he is better than merz and he is staying in dignitas it seems. I definently think he is either fed up with sc2 and off to do other things or that he is going to join a team that has a pro house or lets him go to korea,
Personally I am hoping for either mouz, liquid or Quantic.
my 2 cents.
I don't know about Top 3.... ThorZaIN and Kas are definitely above him, I might actually rate BeastyQT above him tbh.
Even online against the online heroes he did very good. Wasn´t he like rank 1 GM in europe last season? Alsp compare Kas LAN results vs SjoW. It Isn´t even close. Empire has a lot of inet heroes(Happy, Beasty, Kas). Kas has been showing better results nowadays but I doubt Beasty and even Kas even have more wins than losses vs him. If you would go by results(Lan and online) SjoW would ofc be way ahead. Thorzain is prolly 1# in europe thou.
When you watch Sjow he seems slow etc and often can´t handle macro + micro at the same time as other can but when it comes to playing smart there are very few who can match him.
Bottom line: I don´t think he is overrated at all. He can beat the best any day even on LAN unlike the Empire inet heroes. Has Happy won a single game on LAN?
On March 02 2012 16:52 hrvoje07 wrote: What? Stephano got 30k from IPL3. Thats not even close to 80k. Sjow participated in a lot of event and i think his prize winnings can tell you something about his skill. (his whole winnings don't come from one event).
Pretty much this. If you choose to just look solely at his earnings ranking and not the information that is RIGHT FUCKING THERE ON THE PAGE then your argument is pretty much horseshit. You can't just say "oh well that's all I was talking about!", it's like deliberate sodding ignorance. The guy who originally posted was making the assumption that people wouldn't be dumbasses and actually take into account ALL the information that was right there available, rather than just say "herpderp, fruitdealer is 8th, argument invalid".
People are more interested in being pedantic than having a sensible discussion it seems.
Chill TB, you know this is just a sjow, just take a sjower and relax, we know he's skilled, i'll miss him... I cant live hearing his name without dignitas.
Gunnar Optics needs to form a team with the tag "GUN" and hire only Sjow.
On March 02 2012 06:27 PolskaGora wrote: Best of luck to SjoW! I remember I started my SC2 career watching Husky cast his games on youtube. I'm sure he will have many offers
i think this is a case of dignitas not wanting to keep Sjow as much as Sjow thinks hes worth, if you know what i mean. Sjow hasnt done much tournament wise recently and hes not really a big crowd favourite or anything, but saying that dignitas hardly have a roster atm, what is it? select, bicshu, bling and apollo? ^^
he'll find a new team soon, but i cant see it being a big name like mouz or liquid
On March 03 2012 00:28 ThatGuy89 wrote: i think this is a case of dignitas not wanting to keep Sjow as much as Sjow thinks hes worth, if you know what i mean. Sjow hasnt done much tournament wise recently and hes not really a big crowd favourite or anything, but saying that dignitas hardly have a roster atm, what is it? select, bicshu, bling and apollo? ^^
he'll find a new team soon, but i cant see it being a big name like mouz or liquid
Dignitas has a pretty big roster, consisting of DreAm, Bling, Bischu, Select, Merz, TangDongHo, Killer, and Apollo as teamcoach.
Hm, Dignitas has kind of fallen from my radar lately, as they are neither in the IPL TAC nor in the NASTL. I hope they can overcome the current slump in exposure and will rise again.
On March 02 2012 16:52 hrvoje07 wrote: What? Stephano got 30k from IPL3. Thats not even close to 80k. Sjow participated in a lot of event and i think his prize winnings can tell you something about his skill. (his whole winnings don't come from one event).
Pretty much this. If you choose to just look solely at his earnings ranking and not the information that is RIGHT FUCKING THERE ON THE PAGE then your argument is pretty much horseshit. You can't just say "oh well that's all I was talking about!", it's like deliberate sodding ignorance. The guy who originally posted was making the assumption that people wouldn't be dumbasses and actually take into account ALL the information that was right there available, rather than just say "herpderp, fruitdealer is 8th, argument invalid".
People are more interested in being pedantic than having a sensible discussion it seems.
Why the hell are you getting mad over this? Can't you have a sensible discussion without getting mad?
How do you know the guy who originally posted assumed that people wouldn't ignore the rest of the information on the page when all he posted was "He's ranked this high on a money-ranking list, clearly he's good". In that case, when I wrote "FruitDealer is 8th, your argument is invalid" I expected YOU not to be such a dumbass, I rather thought you'd be able to figure out that I meant that money-ranking is a bad way to judge player skill. "Whoa, you couldn't figure that out TB? You're such a dumbass!" Am I doing it right?
If you want someone to understand your point then maybe you should put some thought into your post, "Look here! Sjow is ranked X on the money-ranking list with some really good tournament placements which you can find on THIS page, you shouldn't doubt his ability".
Why should I write a well thought out response to his post if it's so short and non-existent of information? It's like someone writes "Terran OP", would you spend effort responding to that? No. The same way I wont respond with some Einstein shit to a person providing a link to a money-ranking site and writing "he's high on this list, clearly good".
All I said was that with people like FruitDealer on 8th spot money-ranking clearly isn't a good way to judge player skill. If you can't handle me saying that without getting all emotional then too bad for you, keep it classy rofl.
OnTopic: According to that Rakaka article NewmaN from Dignitas said that they would've loved to have SjoW on their team, however he didn't accept their offer and decided to move on.
On March 03 2012 02:52 Jakka wrote: There is something in the OP that just boggles my mind. How in the heck can you "release" someone if his contract expired :O
Maybe they had him locked in a basement somewhere.
OnTopic: According to that Rakaka article NewmaN from Dignitas said that they would've loved to have SjoW on their team, however he didn't accept their offer and decided to move on.
At least that will shut up the doubting haters, win for everyone imo~
So no Dignitas, no Quantic, no mouz? What's left Liquid, eSahara, empire, millenium or maybe even a korean team. I'd personally love to see him join Liquid or a korean team. (maybe oGs after NaDa left )
Rather shocking news indeed. I did not expect this. Good luck to the fantastic SjoW in finding a new and suitable team. Come on, it's SjoWtime yet again!
On March 03 2012 00:46 Agathon wrote: Millenium is looking for a (or another) top player for the first quarter of 2012...
if want to be good team in Sc2?
=> hire Koreans
I wish more teams would invest in foreign talent though, it makes the scene more sustainable.
no reason you cant do both
Problem is, there are a lot more good Koreans than good foreigners, and foreigners are much more expensive in terms of salaries. Guys like Huk are getting paid pretty well according to rumors and hints dropped by insiders when he transferred, while Koreans of comparable talent are making substantially less, if anything.
Damn now SeleCT will really have to carry in teamleagues lol. He had basically more wins then his entire team in ipl tac 2. Without sjow, it will be even harder. They're going to have to pick up some new players. Hoping Sjow gets on a team that fits him.
On March 02 2012 07:56 rckY wrote: Join Team Grubby!
damn, beat me to it. hey, team grubby could use a new terran.
Grubby said in an interview at Winter Arena that he isn't accepting new members because he doesn't have the resources to give players the necessary opportunities. Very unfortunate.
On March 03 2012 00:46 Agathon wrote: Millenium is looking for a (or another) top player for the first quarter of 2012...
if want to be good team in Sc2?
=> hire Koreans
I wish more teams would invest in foreign talent though, it makes the scene more sustainable.
no reason you cant do both
Problem is, there are a lot more good Koreans than good foreigners, and foreigners are much more expensive in terms of salaries. Guys like Huk are getting paid pretty well according to rumors and hints dropped by insiders when he transferred, while Koreans of comparable talent are making substantially less, if anything.
On March 03 2012 00:46 Agathon wrote: Millenium is looking for a (or another) top player for the first quarter of 2012...
if want to be good team in Sc2?
=> hire Koreans
I wish more teams would invest in foreign talent though, it makes the scene more sustainable.
no reason you cant do both
Problem is, there are a lot more good Koreans than good foreigners, and foreigners are much more expensive in terms of salaries. Guys like Huk are getting paid pretty well according to rumors and hints dropped by insiders when he transferred, while Koreans of comparable talent are making substantially less, if anything.
On March 03 2012 00:46 Agathon wrote: Millenium is looking for a (or another) top player for the first quarter of 2012...
if want to be good team in Sc2?
=> hire Koreans
I wish more teams would invest in foreign talent though, it makes the scene more sustainable.
no reason you cant do both
Problem is, there are a lot more good Koreans than good foreigners, and foreigners are much more expensive in terms of salaries. Guys like Huk are getting paid pretty well according to rumors and hints dropped by insiders when he transferred, while Koreans of comparable talent are making substantially less, if anything.
On March 03 2012 01:12 GeorgeyBeats wrote: Gutted about this I really want dignitas to succeed but they are only losing players Best of luck to Sjow in the future though!
I don't think dignitas treats their players well/is investing much in sc2.
-players aren't regularly attending tourneys (no dig at some of the later MLG events) -inc said on sotg they're not getting paid well -They're roster is getting smaller and smaller in terms of good players, and theirs very little team cohesion.
On March 03 2012 00:46 Agathon wrote: Millenium is looking for a (or another) top player for the first quarter of 2012...
if want to be good team in Sc2?
=> hire Koreans
I wish more teams would invest in foreign talent though, it makes the scene more sustainable.
no reason you cant do both
Problem is, there are a lot more good Koreans than good foreigners, and foreigners are much more expensive in terms of salaries. Guys like Huk are getting paid pretty well according to rumors and hints dropped by insiders when he transferred, while Koreans of comparable talent are making substantially less, if anything.
On March 03 2012 00:46 Agathon wrote: Millenium is looking for a (or another) top player for the first quarter of 2012...
if want to be good team in Sc2?
=> hire Koreans
I wish more teams would invest in foreign talent though, it makes the scene more sustainable.
no reason you cant do both
Problem is, there are a lot more good Koreans than good foreigners, and foreigners are much more expensive in terms of salaries. Guys like Huk are getting paid pretty well according to rumors and hints dropped by insiders when he transferred, while Koreans of comparable talent are making substantially less, if anything.
do you know how much he is paid ?
6 figures +
Real or troll? 6 figures is pretty crazy...
real, EG's boss alex said that on esports conference.
On March 24 2012 02:31 nam nam wrote: He's sjowing a great deal of patients taking his time to pick a new team.
It comes down to what are you doing now?
It's like Sjow's fallen off the face of the map. Not to mention, his ticks. If I'm a team manager my interest in him would be very low. He had a lot of bad ticks (not scouting, optimal use of hotkeys) but managed to find a way to be successful early on. Not so much right now. Odee decided to step away because Sjow wasn't producing in the now.
On March 24 2012 02:31 nam nam wrote: He's sjowing a great deal of patients taking his time to pick a new team.
It comes down to what are you doing now?
It's like Sjow's fallen off the face of the map. Not to mention, his ticks. If I'm a team manager my interest in him would be very low. He had a lot of bad ticks (not scouting, optimal use of hotkeys) but managed to find a way to be successful early on. Not so much right now. Odee decided to step away because Sjow wasn't producing in the now.
He did make a grand exit defeating HerO and Zenio....
He is a good player, expect some team to pick him up soon.
On March 24 2012 02:31 nam nam wrote: He's sjowing a great deal of patients taking his time to pick a new team.
It comes down to what are you doing now?
It's like Sjow's fallen off the face of the map. Not to mention, his ticks. If I'm a team manager my interest in him would be very low. He had a lot of bad ticks (not scouting, optimal use of hotkeys) but managed to find a way to be successful early on. Not so much right now. Odee decided to step away because Sjow wasn't producing in the now.
Do you have any actual knowledge about Odee stepping away? Because from what he has said in person it was a case of wanting to extend but not being able to come to an agreement and that he was sad to see him go. I mean, that is very much open to interpretation, but I have not seen anything to prove that Odee did not want Sjow for whatever reason, thus I wonder whether such statements are mere conjecture?
On March 24 2012 02:31 nam nam wrote: He's sjowing a great deal of patients taking his time to pick a new team.
It comes down to what are you doing now?
It's like Sjow's fallen off the face of the map. Not to mention, his ticks. If I'm a team manager my interest in him would be very low. He had a lot of bad ticks (not scouting, optimal use of hotkeys) but managed to find a way to be successful early on. Not so much right now. Odee decided to step away because Sjow wasn't producing in the now.
He just qualified for the MLG winter arena. He also beat Zenio and Hero in BO3's in his last teamleague match with Dignitas.
Sjow is probably still in the top 5 of foreigner terrans. That's nothing to scoff at.
On March 24 2012 02:31 nam nam wrote: He's sjowing a great deal of patients taking his time to pick a new team.
It comes down to what are you doing now?
It's like Sjow's fallen off the face of the map. Not to mention, his ticks. If I'm a team manager my interest in him would be very low. He had a lot of bad ticks (not scouting, optimal use of hotkeys) but managed to find a way to be successful early on. Not so much right now. Odee decided to step away because Sjow wasn't producing in the now.
First of all, I mainly wrote that to get a cheesy "sjow joke" in there and second he's been doing well recently as you would know if you actually followed his results. He's certainly not "fallen of the face of the map." You are deluding yourself if you don't think there are teams that happily would pick him up, it's more a matter of what his own goals are. And if Dignitas wants to get rid of players that are not producing in the now they should cut the majority of their team by that standard.
On March 03 2012 00:46 Agathon wrote: Millenium is looking for a (or another) top player for the first quarter of 2012...
if want to be good team in Sc2?
=> hire Koreans
I wish more teams would invest in foreign talent though, it makes the scene more sustainable.
no reason you cant do both
Problem is, there are a lot more good Koreans than good foreigners, and foreigners are much more expensive in terms of salaries. Guys like Huk are getting paid pretty well according to rumors and hints dropped by insiders when he transferred, while Koreans of comparable talent are making substantially less, if anything.
do you know how much he is paid ?
6 figures +
Real or troll? 6 figures is pretty crazy...
real, EG's boss alex said that on esports conference.
Kinda fail to pay that much for some1 who's not even top 5 foreign anymore, let alone overall.
On March 24 2012 03:07 dignitasNewmaN wrote: Funny how people come in this thread not realising its quite old
Anyway, I can confirm that we did want to re-sign SjoW unfortunately that didn't happen as we were too far from eachother in the negotiations.
We will hopefully be able to announce a terran player that will replace SjoW in the lineup in a not so distant future.
Oh I knew it was old. Just thought perhaps that new information had come out. Thanks for the confirmation, was pretty sure nothing had changed from the initial statements made.
Sjow was such a good player, and to be with Select and others on Dignitas was great! Hope he finds a great team, or comes back, as Select was mentioning.
On March 03 2012 00:46 Agathon wrote: Millenium is looking for a (or another) top player for the first quarter of 2012...
if want to be good team in Sc2?
=> hire Koreans
I wish more teams would invest in foreign talent though, it makes the scene more sustainable.
no reason you cant do both
Problem is, there are a lot more good Koreans than good foreigners, and foreigners are much more expensive in terms of salaries. Guys like Huk are getting paid pretty well according to rumors and hints dropped by insiders when he transferred, while Koreans of comparable talent are making substantially less, if anything.
do you know how much he is paid ?
6 figures +
Real or troll? 6 figures is pretty crazy...
real, EG's boss alex said that on esports conference.
Kinda fail to pay that much for some1 who's not even top 5 foreign anymore, let alone overall.
On March 24 2012 03:07 dignitasNewmaN wrote: We will hopefully be able to announce a terran player that will replace SjoW in the lineup in a not so distant future.
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