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dpL
Sweden571 Posts
On February 27 2012 20:31 Frankon wrote: Look at my previous post. I stated that its a sum of all viewers. Paying and non paying. Yeah, I'm just wondering where the number 20k paying subscribers came from. Seeing how everyone's probably aware of the fact that the stream was perfectly watchable without paying for it I assumed maybe this guy had a different source than twitch. | ||
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
You can't take money for your events if you can't have a reliable stream up at all times during the event, the semi finals aswell as the finals were ALOT less enjoyable due to lag, me aswell as others missed entire games due to it. Yes, UFC and the likes have PPV but they don't stutter every single time the show is on neither. There was also some trouble keeping the scores properly updated on each and every stream during the event which is quite unprofessional and needs to be fixed, it's not hard to update scores on each stream, if I went back and forth between the player POV streams and the casted streams there'd be a different score in the series on each one, these little things needs to be fixed. People expect a pretty much flawless event if you're gonna have PPV and rightfully so. There also wasn't any sound on the player POV streams which should've been adressed throughout the event (but wasn't). Overall I'm happy I didn't pay, maybe I would've paid if it was 10$ but 20$ is too high for what they gave, appearently the VOD system was super crappy too and there were games missing which is really bad. EDIT: And please... if you're gonna have a PPV event then get a proper paywall... I watched the whole event without paying which is pretty ridicolous for those who paid. | ||
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1sz2sz3sz
Andorra173 Posts
On February 27 2012 21:00 dpL wrote: Yeah, I'm just wondering where the number 20k paying subscribers came from. http://www.twitch.tv/directory He took the total number of viewers watching SC2 and substracted the ones that werent MLG But if it was 20k Lets say they all quad-viewed 20k/5=4k subs I bet a large chunk of those viewers werent even paying though | ||
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dpL
Sweden571 Posts
On February 27 2012 21:05 1sz2sz3sz wrote: http://www.twitch.tv/directory He took the total number of viewers watching SC2 and substracted the ones that werent MLG But if it was 20k Lets say they all quad-viewed 20k/5=4k subs I bet a large chunk of those viewers werent even paying though Ok, so in other words we have no idea how many people paid for it. Not yet anyways. Thanks for the clarification. | ||
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tapk69
Portugal264 Posts
this tourney reminded me of homestory cup but with better players and production .. i liked it , but im not rich , i would probably pay 5-10$ max but MLG has to get better streaming conditions otherwise i might feel cheated .. i paid 50 euros for a year of GSL , so paying 16 euros to see 3 days no thanks... | ||
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Bidj
France98 Posts
On February 27 2012 20:34 sharky246 wrote: I think for those who actually paid 20 bucks for mlg should take a read at this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249657 Very interesting read. More people should see this and think again. | ||
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Black17
France435 Posts
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Flaiker
Germany235 Posts
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felisconcolori
United States6169 Posts
"didn't use a work around, but was able to catch a game and a half through simple refreshing then gave up because it lagged horrifically and had already watched the Assembly finals"? What I did see, was a step in the right direction. With the exception of battlenet dropping in the oz game. And Grubby casting was a nice thing. The free stream? Eh. | ||
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Malaz
Germany1257 Posts
On February 27 2012 21:08 Bidj wrote: Very interesting read. More people should see this and think again. Just read it, so much truth in it. On topic: I tuned in on friday for the free hour to see what all the fuzz was about. Somehow the paywall never popped up for me (Firefox, no workarounds) so I ended up watching for maybe 3 hours. The event/production on friday was ok, but I couldn't see why this should have been something special compared to other events. Actually I enjoyed watching ROG more because they had at least a small audience and the casters at MLG besides Tastosis were just not that great. Didn't watch any MLG at Saturday ans just turned in to the finals on Sunday. Even without Chrome I had no problem viewing it on the Twitch site. Turned the stream of 5 minutes later because the lag was unbearable, a problem I often have with Twitch. Overall I'm happy I didn't pay for this and I don't have the feeling that I missed out on something special by not watching it. | ||
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_peng
United Kingdom1 Post
I did not pay (or watch) this MLG. I've watched each of the MLGs since Columbus 2011 and thoroughly enjoyed them. I've bought the premium ticket for one MLG, I've been a GSL subscriber since July (plus Super Tournament), I've bought a premium year pass for GSL 2012 and the ticket for GSTL Season 1. That is quite a lot of cash which I have been happy to pay to watch SC2. However, I cannot justify spending $20 on MLG as I do not think it is good value for a weekend worth of games, whole GSL seasons last year were $9.99! The silly thing is that I did want to watch live and would have paid had the price been reasonable, I'm sure there are others who would have done the same. I would say that $5 would be a reasonable price to pay for a basic ticket and maybe $10-15 as an option for extra content. Maybe $5 would just be one/both main streams at 480p, I would still have been happy to pay that. I will definitely catch up on the VODs once they become available for free. | ||
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naut1c
Austria100 Posts
Really, please don't do that. First of all, you can't blame the people that watched MLG for free, since it's MLG's+twitch's responsibility to make this impossible. It wasn't even a hack or something, it simply worked. I'd also be mad, if i paid 20 bucks, and then i see everyone else watching it for free. But please, this is not the other peoples fault. Blame MLG, blame twitch. Other than that, many of the injuries were really really harsh. This is not got for the atmosphere in this forums at all. Think about it. You paid 20 bucks, you did something good for esports (hopefully), be proud of it. But if you start harshly injuring others who didn't, you are no good anymore. Not at all. | ||
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Stiluz
Norway688 Posts
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Danzo
2820 Posts
On February 27 2012 10:54 allerion wrote: Why would anybody pay for that? Why would anybody support a company which has, time and time again, given a terrible product? Mlg has never, "time and time again", given a terrible produce. This is an outrage! | ||
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CDR
Poland84 Posts
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
Hope they go bankrupt and let a competent organization take their place. | ||
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yeint
Estonia2329 Posts
Honestly MLG Gold is about as much as I'll pay for watching streamed shit on my computer every few months. | ||
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On February 27 2012 21:39 naut1c wrote: To all the people in this thread injuring those who watched MLG for free: Really, please don't do that. First of all, you can't blame the people that watched MLG for free, since it's MLG's+twitch's responsibility to make this impossible. It wasn't even a hack or something, it simply worked. I'd also be mad, if i paid 20 bucks, and then i see everyone else watching it for free. But please, this is not the other peoples fault. Blame MLG, blame twitch. Other than that, many of the injuries were really really harsh. This is not got for the atmosphere in this forums at all. Think about it. You paid 20 bucks, you did something good for esports (hopefully), be proud of it. But if you start harshly injuring others who didn't, you are no good anymore. Not at all. Oh please. People knew they were watching a PPV product and watched anyway. Blame rests entirely on them. I hate analogies, but you're basically saying that if I don't make my house impossible to break into (which in itself is impossible), then it's my fault if I get robbed. The subscription guards may have been trivial to bypass, but that's just a question of degree, not right or wrong. | ||
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kazansky
Germany931 Posts
The reason? Whoever charges for eSports content exclusively, does not understand what eSports means, nor is interested in eSports itself, but in making money out of eSports. I have been a fan of real eSports too long to turn into a cable subscription lemming. On February 27 2012 20:34 sharky246 wrote: I think for those who actually paid 20 bucks for mlg should take a read at this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249657 So sorry that I missed that thread, awesome read, and a hundred percent my thoughts. Pretty much sums up why I wouldn't pay for a tournament that does not offer free content. I am fine with supporting real eSports on a voluntary basis, but I am not fine with being forced to. | ||
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CSSolutionstv
118 Posts
Sundance cited UFC's PPV's beign $50 for pricing it $20, but when players start getting paid what Brock Lesnar, Anderson Silva, or Georges St Pierre do, they can start charging top money! Also, and just to Note, PPV's are priced so you only have to buy about only 1 a month, they're not even considering fan's are already spending money in tournaments like the GSL, or donating to tournaments like Shoutcast invitational, the price is completly wrong, and it's a completly random number in which only the MLG wins. GSL Remains, by far, the most value for your money you can get if what you want to do is watch pro-gamers duck it up. | ||
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