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NTTemplar
Profile Joined August 2011
609 Posts
February 15 2012 04:34 GMT
#21
Requested feature would be to be able to change what the hotkey for something is in the trainer.

I have redone a couple of hotkeys, and all control group hotkeys so when it asks me to e.g. select queens then plant tumor I do what is right, but the trainer gives me a wrong.
"Between Tomorrow's dream and yesterday's regret, is today's opportunity"
SirPsychoMantis
Profile Joined December 2011
United States180 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-15 18:30:20
February 15 2012 14:56 GMT
#22
On February 15 2012 13:34 NTTemplar wrote:
Requested feature would be to be able to change what the hotkey for something is in the trainer.

I have redone a couple of hotkeys, and all control group hotkeys so when it asks me to e.g. select queens then plant tumor I do what is right, but the trainer gives me a wrong.


Hm, did you try this with version 4? There was a bug with the drop creep, I was using the wrong command since the SC2Hotkeys file has some really odd/legacy names. Or was it the queen hotkey? I can double check that since I have rebound mine to ForwardMouseButton/BackMouseButton

Some of the interesting command names:
MorphMorphalisk/Queen = Inject
ResearchHighCapacityBarrels/FactoryTechLab = Blue Flame
ResearchPunisherGrenades/BarracksTechLab = Concussive shells

Really confused me for a little bit

EDIT: Question for everyone, which keys (O and P) do you bind to which mouse keys?
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nichan
Profile Joined December 2010
United States158 Posts
February 15 2012 22:19 GMT
#23
can you add a guide on how to install the program on a mac please
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
February 15 2012 22:51 GMT
#24
On February 15 2012 02:59 FoxyMayhem wrote:
Awesome work man. I've added a link to this thread at the top of the Darkgrid page. In red!

I think it's... interesting that people are asking you to make it compatible with other layouts. It's like watching someone cut off their own leg and practicing running one-legged so they can get really good at the disability Olympics.


... but some of us like our own custom hotkey setups
SirPsychoMantis
Profile Joined December 2011
United States180 Posts
February 15 2012 23:08 GMT
#25
Added some extra mac instructions, one person I was talking to said he uses "Option" instead of alt, is this true for everyone on macs?

On February 16 2012 07:51 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 02:59 FoxyMayhem wrote:
Awesome work man. I've added a link to this thread at the top of the Darkgrid page. In red!

I think it's... interesting that people are asking you to make it compatible with other layouts. It's like watching someone cut off their own leg and practicing running one-legged so they can get really good at the disability Olympics.


... but some of us like our own custom hotkey setups


The problem right now is the control groups, since they are very specific for Darkgrid, but barring that a heavily modified hotkey layout *should* work.

(heavily modified makes the keys appear in the hotkey file, although I do have some defaults in right now)
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nichan
Profile Joined December 2010
United States158 Posts
February 15 2012 23:11 GMT
#26
the game gives mac users an option to use the command key instead of option wich makes it way easier for mac users
NTTemplar
Profile Joined August 2011
609 Posts
February 16 2012 00:49 GMT
#27
On February 15 2012 23:56 SirPsychoMantis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 13:34 NTTemplar wrote:
Requested feature would be to be able to change what the hotkey for something is in the trainer.

I have redone a couple of hotkeys, and all control group hotkeys so when it asks me to e.g. select queens then plant tumor I do what is right, but the trainer gives me a wrong.


Hm, did you try this with version 4? There was a bug with the drop creep, I was using the wrong command since the SC2Hotkeys file has some really odd/legacy names. Or was it the queen hotkey? I can double check that since I have rebound mine to ForwardMouseButton/BackMouseButton

Some of the interesting command names:
MorphMorphalisk/Queen = Inject
ResearchHighCapacityBarrels/FactoryTechLab = Blue Flame
ResearchPunisherGrenades/BarracksTechLab = Concussive shells

Really confused me for a little bit

EDIT: Question for everyone, which keys (O and P) do you bind to which mouse keys?


I have swapped which control groups got which hotkeys in the sense that. (without knowing exactly what it use) e.g. ctrl+3 to make control group 1, I am quessing control group 1 in that case is ment to be the control group for queens, but I have changed ctrl+3 to make a different control group (6) so when it asks me to use the hotkeys for queens that is the hotkeys for control group 6 in my case, not whatever the default of darkgrid is.
"Between Tomorrow's dream and yesterday's regret, is today's opportunity"
RonaldTimmins
Profile Joined July 2011
44 Posts
February 16 2012 13:47 GMT
#28
Thank you for developing Darkgrid trainer SirPsychoMantis, your program is freaking awesome! Your download and installation instructions are very clear,

I have an idea for Darkgrid trainer and a question:

Idea: I think it would be cool if the user was unable to continue to the next practice command until they have correctly pressed the keys required of the current command. I find that I am not currently not learning anything with the program because I am not practising the correct key combos for the ones I am getting wrong.

Another alternative would be to create an option for "#Time between failure, in miliseconds timeBetweenFailure=". This would allow the user time to process what they did wrong by increasing the time between failures. Currently, I feel there is not enough time between failures to learn anything.

Question: How can I get my forward and back mouse buttons to work in the program? Do I have to set them to P and O somehow?

Thanks for reading and again for taking the time to create this awesome program,
SirPsychoMantis
Profile Joined December 2011
United States180 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 16:39:12
February 16 2012 16:38 GMT
#29
On February 16 2012 09:49 NTTemplar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 23:56 SirPsychoMantis wrote:
On February 15 2012 13:34 NTTemplar wrote:
Requested feature would be to be able to change what the hotkey for something is in the trainer.

I have redone a couple of hotkeys, and all control group hotkeys so when it asks me to e.g. select queens then plant tumor I do what is right, but the trainer gives me a wrong.


Hm, did you try this with version 4? There was a bug with the drop creep, I was using the wrong command since the SC2Hotkeys file has some really odd/legacy names. Or was it the queen hotkey? I can double check that since I have rebound mine to ForwardMouseButton/BackMouseButton

Some of the interesting command names:
MorphMorphalisk/Queen = Inject
ResearchHighCapacityBarrels/FactoryTechLab = Blue Flame
ResearchPunisherGrenades/BarracksTechLab = Concussive shells

Really confused me for a little bit

EDIT: Question for everyone, which keys (O and P) do you bind to which mouse keys?


I have swapped which control groups got which hotkeys in the sense that. (without knowing exactly what it use) e.g. ctrl+3 to make control group 1, I am quessing control group 1 in that case is ment to be the control group for queens, but I have changed ctrl+3 to make a different control group (6) so when it asks me to use the hotkeys for queens that is the hotkeys for control group 6 in my case, not whatever the default of darkgrid is.


Trying to think of an easy way to be able to customize this, don't want to have the program become too convoluted.

On February 16 2012 22:47 RonaldTimmins wrote:
Thank you for developing Darkgrid trainer SirPsychoMantis, your program is freaking awesome! Your download and installation instructions are very clear,

I have an idea for Darkgrid trainer and a question:

Idea: I think it would be cool if the user was unable to continue to the next practice command until they have correctly pressed the keys required of the current command. I find that I am not currently not learning anything with the program because I am not practising the correct key combos for the ones I am getting wrong.

Another alternative would be to create an option for "#Time between failure, in miliseconds timeBetweenFailure=". This would allow the user time to process what they did wrong by increasing the time between failures. Currently, I feel there is not enough time between failures to learn anything.

Question: How can I get my forward and back mouse buttons to work in the program? Do I have to set them to P and O somehow?

Thanks for reading and again for taking the time to create this awesome program,


Updated to v5, added the repeat on failure option. Also, if you rebind your mouse keys to O and P it should work. What I did was rebind the control groups in game to ForwardMouseButton/BackMouseButton. As a work around if you did this, I have Plus and Minus on the keypad bound to these, so you can use your thumb in kind of the same way to press them.
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RonaldTimmins
Profile Joined July 2011
44 Posts
February 16 2012 18:54 GMT
#30
Thanks SirPsychoMantis for both of your solutions! I used version 5 for only 30 minutes, learned A TON.....played a game and owned.....wow man, just wow! I know that sounded like a commercial/infomercial but its 100% true, you sir have made me very happy!

One last question: Is it feasible to add functionality for creating and adding to control groups and creating camera locations? Or is the simultaneous button pushing too much of a pain or impossible to implement?

Thanks again man!!!!
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
February 22 2012 13:09 GMT
#31
This is a great idea and I'm glad someone took the time to make something like this. I recently decided to try Darkgrid and after a few stumbling days decided to switch as it seems very well thought out and elegant. Teaching my hands to do something new is pretty hard and a trainer like this is just perfect.

This trainer would be a great way to keep my hands learning the new motions while not actually playing a game, however I seem to have a problem with it. The mouse buttons do not respond to the trainer and so I'm nearly locked out from any use of this program. Not sure what to do to fix this.

Since I've been using Darkgrid a lot in team games for the past week I may not need a trainer much longer, but still a cool idea.
I can take that responsibility.
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
February 22 2012 13:11 GMT
#32
i guess this is like some sort of flash cards? try quizlet dot com?
SirPsychoMantis
Profile Joined December 2011
United States180 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 18:15:54
February 23 2012 18:14 GMT
#33
On February 22 2012 22:11 dacimvrl wrote:
i guess this is like some sort of flash cards? try quizlet dot com?

Kind of like flash cards, except with this you push the exact keys rather than just remembering, so it improves memory + muscle memory.

On February 22 2012 22:09 Tictock wrote:
This is a great idea and I'm glad someone took the time to make something like this. I recently decided to try Darkgrid and after a few stumbling days decided to switch as it seems very well thought out and elegant. Teaching my hands to do something new is pretty hard and a trainer like this is just perfect.

This trainer would be a great way to keep my hands learning the new motions while not actually playing a game, however I seem to have a problem with it. The mouse buttons do not respond to the trainer and so I'm nearly locked out from any use of this program. Not sure what to do to fix this.

Since I've been using Darkgrid a lot in team games for the past week I may not need a trainer much longer, but still a cool idea.


The way that is recommended by Darkgrid is rebinding your side mouse buttons to O/P. That isn't the way I do it, so I can't test it, but I think it should work. If you use direct mouse button binds, I have + and - on the keypad bound to them so you can kind of use your thumb in the same way. Which way are you trying to do it? I can look more into using the mouse directly, but might take a little while.

Also I will be adding the additional control group / camera binding commands soon, probably later today.
Zerg #1
willkillson
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States123 Posts
February 23 2012 18:53 GMT
#34
This would be amazing if everyone could practice their hotkeys...
poop
SirPsychoMantis
Profile Joined December 2011
United States180 Posts
February 24 2012 16:38 GMT
#35
Updated to v6, with additional creation of control groups / cameras

Thanks to RonaldTimmins for getting the terran ones done
Zerg #1
bloodorc44
Profile Joined January 2011
United States31 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 23:10:44
February 27 2012 23:06 GMT
#36
Hi, thank you so much for this wonderful program! There is one thing that could be improved, though. It seems that for some reason a few of the control groups are off. I'm using the 'Mouseless P and T" hotkey file, as Protoss. For instance, using this hotkey setup , the correct "Create an observer hotkey" would be "Shift + Y", yet the program has it as "Shift + 5".

Good job however with the program, and much thanks again!
Ch3rry
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland228 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 10:28:41
February 28 2012 10:27 GMT
#37
Thx for great program. But on my keyboard (MERC Stealth) I can't get pass CTRL+ALT commands (f.ex. Ctrl+Alt+S).
It's showing me that I pressed "S" button only.
My Ctrl and Alt butttons works fine for other Command (and also for CTRL+ALT+DEL).
Anyone has the same problem?

Also it says that Nexus/Tech and Gate/Robo/Stargate main groups are both "O" (one of them should be "P")
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
February 28 2012 10:47 GMT
#38
I personally find the idea questionable. I applaud your effort and it's nice that people like it, more people using Darkgrid would be a good thing as well since it's ridiculously good and it sucks that most of the community don't know about it.

That said, the way to get used to Darkgrid is to use it in SC2, not spam it in a program. if you're at work and can't play SC2, sure... but learning Darkgrid is at the very most a one week process, even if you just play a few hours of SC2 a day, so IMO it feels like a bit of wasted effort.

Great job though.
SirPsychoMantis
Profile Joined December 2011
United States180 Posts
February 28 2012 15:55 GMT
#39
On February 28 2012 08:06 bloodorc44 wrote:
Hi, thank you so much for this wonderful program! There is one thing that could be improved, though. It seems that for some reason a few of the control groups are off. I'm using the 'Mouseless P and T" hotkey file, as Protoss. For instance, using this hotkey setup , the correct "Create an observer hotkey" would be "Shift + Y", yet the program has it as "Shift + 5".

Good job however with the program, and much thanks again!


I'll look into this, didn't realize the mouseless keysets used different control group numbers

On February 28 2012 19:27 Ch3rry wrote:
Thx for great program. But on my keyboard (MERC Stealth) I can't get pass CTRL+ALT commands (f.ex. Ctrl+Alt+S).
It's showing me that I pressed "S" button only.
My Ctrl and Alt butttons works fine for other Command (and also for CTRL+ALT+DEL).
Anyone has the same problem?

Also it says that Nexus/Tech and Gate/Robo/Stargate main groups are both "O" (one of them should be "P")


Weird, does it only do this on the side keypad or does it do it on the regular keyboard part as well?

On February 28 2012 19:47 Tobberoth wrote:
I personally find the idea questionable. I applaud your effort and it's nice that people like it, more people using Darkgrid would be a good thing as well since it's ridiculously good and it sucks that most of the community don't know about it.

That said, the way to get used to Darkgrid is to use it in SC2, not spam it in a program. if you're at work and can't play SC2, sure... but learning Darkgrid is at the very most a one week process, even if you just play a few hours of SC2 a day, so IMO it feels like a bit of wasted effort.

Great job though.


I feel like many people don't want to switch due to how badly you will play in that weeks time, hopefully this will let people switch and not have to grind out AI games. Also I partly did this as a way to practice my Python coding, so not a wasted effort
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Darkwinja
Profile Joined February 2011
8 Posts
February 28 2012 16:38 GMT
#40
Downloaded the hotkey layout yesterday, I can already see why it is much more efficient. My only question is I play exclusively terran and the trainer despite using the T and P hotkey layout continuously asks for zerg inputs. Is there a way to modify this? Thank You!
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