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Netsky
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1155 Posts
February 04 2012 23:07 GMT
#21
Nice

Your analysis shows that Terran cannot play late game. Wish Blizzard would address this.
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-04 23:11:24
February 04 2012 23:11 GMT
#22
kill him now or die later.
I hear this voice the hole time in my head when i play t.^^

ps: the overall in the graph is total misleading
Save gaming: kill esport
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
February 04 2012 23:11 GMT
#23
On February 05 2012 08:07 Netsky wrote:
Nice

Your analysis shows that Terran cannot play late game. Wish Blizzard would address this.


Well, that's not entirely true. I'm pretty sure endgame TvZ with mass ghosts would be Terran favored or at least even. If the graph went to 30mins +, I'm sure it'd show this.
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
February 04 2012 23:12 GMT
#24
On February 05 2012 08:11 K3Nyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 08:07 Netsky wrote:
Nice

Your analysis shows that Terran cannot play late game. Wish Blizzard would address this.


Well, that's not entirely true. I'm pretty sure endgame TvZ with mass ghosts would be Terran favored or at least even. If the graph went to 30mins +, I'm sure it'd show this.

would be interesting to see. he should add +30 and remove this overall
Save gaming: kill esport
alepoff
Profile Joined January 2012
140 Posts
February 04 2012 23:15 GMT
#25
Kinda what I expected, except for maybe late game tvz, I personally don't find it THAT bad for T.
let's bounce
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
February 04 2012 23:18 GMT
#26
On February 05 2012 08:11 K3Nyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 08:07 Netsky wrote:
Nice

Your analysis shows that Terran cannot play late game. Wish Blizzard would address this.


Well, that's not entirely true. I'm pretty sure endgame TvZ with mass ghosts would be Terran favored or at least even. If the graph went to 30mins +, I'm sure it'd show this.

darkforce says if he gets lategame zvt he doesnt lose unless he screws up
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
February 04 2012 23:19 GMT
#27
Is it possible to do this with all the playhem replays? 35k is a substantial number
Pugwalker
Profile Joined September 2011
50 Posts
February 04 2012 23:24 GMT
#28
The ZvT graph is exactly how it should be given the fact that zerg pressure is not nearly as strong as terran pressure in the early to mid game. Since most zergs play for the late game they should have a late game edge. If terrans played for the late game as much as zergs do the graph would be a lot closer. (I play terran)
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
February 04 2012 23:26 GMT
#29
Cool type of stats but considering the immense skill gaps between players, there's not much to say about this right now.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12888 Posts
February 04 2012 23:28 GMT
#30
On February 05 2012 08:11 K3Nyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 08:07 Netsky wrote:
Nice

Your analysis shows that Terran cannot play late game. Wish Blizzard would address this.


Well, that's not entirely true. I'm pretty sure endgame TvZ with mass ghosts would be Terran favored or at least even. If the graph went to 30mins +, I'm sure it'd show this.

It's hard to judge the late late game ith players such as IMMvp (not enough sample size and Mvp's decision making is off the charts)
WriterMaru
Aquila-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
516 Posts
February 04 2012 23:29 GMT
#31
I knew it, Terran gets ridiculously hard when the game goes on longer. It is almost impossible to win a long macro game on maps like Taldarim, but Terrans still keep their winrate at 50% with allins or 1 base timings. I wish Terran would get a stronger lategame, then we would see less allins and more macro games. I mean why would you play a long game if you know your chances of winning get smaller with the time?...
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4408 Posts
February 04 2012 23:29 GMT
#32
On February 05 2012 08:18 teddyoojo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 08:11 K3Nyy wrote:
On February 05 2012 08:07 Netsky wrote:
Nice

Your analysis shows that Terran cannot play late game. Wish Blizzard would address this.


Well, that's not entirely true. I'm pretty sure endgame TvZ with mass ghosts would be Terran favored or at least even. If the graph went to 30mins +, I'm sure it'd show this.

darkforce says if he gets lategame zvt he doesnt lose unless he screws up


He's not in Korea though and there are a total of like 5 good Terrans outside of Korea.
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
February 04 2012 23:30 GMT
#33
IEM releases replays, HSC4 released replays, there's no excuse for not including them! Maybe some online invitationals etc.
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
VenerableSpace
Profile Joined May 2010
United States463 Posts
February 04 2012 23:37 GMT
#34
On February 05 2012 08:07 Netsky wrote:
Nice

Your analysis shows that Terran cannot play late game. Wish Blizzard would address this.



It also shows how dominant Terran is in anything but the late game. two sides to the coin by your logic.
jupiter6
Profile Joined December 2011
205 Posts
February 04 2012 23:37 GMT
#35
On February 05 2012 08:29 Aquila- wrote:
I knew it, Terran gets ridiculously hard when the game goes on longer. It is almost impossible to win a long macro game on maps like Taldarim, but Terrans still keep their winrate at 50% with allins or 1 base timings. I wish Terran would get a stronger lategame, then we would see less allins and more macro games. I mean why would you play a long game if you know your chances of winning get smaller with the time?...

this imo is design flaw, i love terran but its so annoying playing this race is like playing against clock
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
February 04 2012 23:40 GMT
#36
Very informative graphs, tells us more about the current state of starcraft
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
February 04 2012 23:43 GMT
#37
This might be interesting if you pulled data from somewhere else. A large percentage of matches at MLGs aren't even at all. Useless statistics
Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1837 Posts
February 04 2012 23:44 GMT
#38
Nice graphs. You should try and get your hand on those 31,500 replays

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=308886
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
February 04 2012 23:44 GMT
#39
On February 05 2012 08:37 VenerableSpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 08:07 Netsky wrote:
Nice

Your analysis shows that Terran cannot play late game. Wish Blizzard would address this.



It also shows how dominant Terran is in anything but the late game. two sides to the coin by your logic.

well i see it as:

allins have a way too high risk/reward factor. in every race. terran is at a disadvantage lategame so they allin/timingpush way more and often dont dare to even think about a third base.
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
warblob004
Profile Joined January 2011
United States198 Posts
February 04 2012 23:46 GMT
#40
Good stats to see... not surprised bout zvz and pvp
"I have not failed; I've simply found 10,000 ways it won't work." ~Thomas Edison
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