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karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
February 02 2012 21:26 GMT
#121
Oh wow, the level of posting in this thread is some of the worst i've read on TL. There's not even arguments presented, just pure opinion. Idra knows how to rile up a crowd, i'll drink to that.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
February 02 2012 21:28 GMT
#122
really surprising that this turned into another one of the classic bw vs sc2 threads. not.

why do people always have to bitch around. If you don't like it, go watch BW. what's the big deal.

idra's recent comments about PvZ showed once more that he has quite a unique view on SC2, maybe that's why he hates it. He's the anti day 9.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 21:29:59
February 02 2012 21:29 GMT
#123
I think the whole volatility argument is overstated. In order to discuss volatility at all, you need a group of players that play at a consistent level, like in tennis. MVP/MC/Nestea win so much because they manage to play consistently at a high level, yet even they have periods where they simply play poorly and deserve to drop out. MC, MVP and Nestea all deserved to go down to code A when they went there.

Take the GSL, I can't remember a series (excluding bo1's) where the players that lost played better then the guy that won. BO losses occur, but are in large part due to players using unsafe builds in the first place. The fact that a player should be the better player doesn't mean that he's actually playing better then his opponent on a given day.
JoeAWESOME
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden1080 Posts
February 02 2012 21:30 GMT
#124
The game is too new and therefor too volatile.

I bet that we'll more solid play and a clear top 5 player list in 6 months or so.
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Reval
Profile Joined January 2012
United States297 Posts
February 02 2012 21:31 GMT
#125
On February 03 2012 06:26 karpo wrote:
Oh wow, the level of posting in this thread is some of the worst i've read on TL. There's not even arguments presented, just pure opinion. Idra knows how to rile up a crowd, i'll drink to that.


Definatly, he found an oil spill and threw a match at it
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
February 02 2012 21:33 GMT
#126
Compared to BW, it's just not as figured out yet. There is still way too many ways to defeat the odds, and to overcome and defeat a technically more skilled player than yourself. Because of this, the tournament favourites in SC2 will always have a higher chance to get surprising losses versus lesser players than their counterparts in BW would.
thatsundowner
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada312 Posts
February 02 2012 21:33 GMT
#127
On February 03 2012 06:26 karpo wrote:
Oh wow, the level of posting in this thread is some of the worst i've read on TL. There's not even arguments presented, just pure opinion. Idra knows how to rile up a crowd, i'll drink to that.


it's amazing how blunt honesty like his can go from being endearing to last grasps at relevance based on performance
"you're gonna fail" in latin
Utinni
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1196 Posts
February 02 2012 21:36 GMT
#128
On February 02 2012 21:26 mizU wrote:
SC2 is still new^^

bam
“... you don’t have to be Sun freakin Tzu to know that real fighting isn’t about killing or even hurting the other guy, it’s about scaring him enough to call it a day.” - Max Brooks: World War Z
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
February 02 2012 21:38 GMT
#129
On February 02 2012 21:26 mizU wrote:
SC2 is still new^^


This is a win!

Sc2 has just one year.. you still cant realize that ? eh .. for topic's like this will come time..
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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
February 02 2012 21:38 GMT
#130
Can we please just close this thread already? Nothing productive is going to come from it.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
February 02 2012 21:40 GMT
#131
Just because it's 18 months old doesn't mean that it's young. Really, we don't see a bunch of new stuff every month of GSL. I personally think the volatility is due to the international scene and how often the best have to travel. The dominance of MVP and Nestea were in times where they sat in Korea for a long period of time. The success of Leenock and MMA came at times where EVERYBODY was traveling. In the end, it has to do with how close skill levels really are and the small variance playing a larger role.
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
February 02 2012 21:40 GMT
#132
In defense of MVP this past Monday, his wrist was really bothering him and I'm hearing that it had a real impact on his practice hours.
wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 21:46:50
February 02 2012 21:46 GMT
#133
game is too easy in short, so it just has a larger luck factor, if it was harder, then it would be a skill barrier thing still as it was in sc1
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
February 02 2012 21:48 GMT
#134
On February 03 2012 03:49 CrtBalorda wrote:

2. unit clumping which makes AOE hilarious


This. There is only one race that can forego AOE in one matchup, and that is Terran in TvP, because stimmed Bio does so much damage.
Crying
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria778 Posts
February 02 2012 21:49 GMT
#135
On February 02 2012 23:36 IdrA wrote:
cuz its a shit game

i wonder why u play / do you job when u hate the game sometimes that much??? LOL

P.S. Game is really volatile and there are new cheeses coming each day that are like waaaat ?
Determination~ Hard Work Surpass NATURAL GENIUS!
Beakyboo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States485 Posts
February 02 2012 21:58 GMT
#136
Despite the game being young, the early game is pretty well developed I'd say yet remains extremely volatile. I really don't see this changing any time soon.
jinixxx123
Profile Joined June 2010
543 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 22:44:24
February 02 2012 22:02 GMT
#137
from what im gathering from this thread, apparently people are saying the game should be about mechanics , and that strategy should play no part in how good a player is. "lesser players out thinking there stronger mechanically opponents" for e.g ive read in this thread.

The word Strategy should be removed from the abbreviation RTS Real time strategy. Instead if it was up to idra it should be called RTM "real time mechanics" with gameplay to suit the name.

And even then he would still rage because he thinks he has the best mechanics in the game when that is not true at all.

Anyway i think that if some pro players really hate this game, they should stop playing. From what i can say about all of this, is that no matter what game you play, you will always find faults or things you disagree with. Some people deal with them better than others.
For e.g there are so many war3 pros out there that have insulted warcraft 3 saying its a terrible game for instance and could not wait for starcraft 2 to be released to switch over, people that come to mind who said that was Tod/Kiwikaki/naniwa to name a few . They said its unbalanced, or that something is orc favored , or certain players were only good because they played a certain race,the usual crap. Then you have guys like Grubby who cant stop praising how good warcraft 3 is. Mind you kiwikaki was an orc player and he said the game is imbalanced, Yet grubby who is also an orc player says the game was very balanced. 2 different ends of the spectrum playing the same race that have 2 totally different opinions. Does it just so happens that the guy who was better (grubby) likes the game more than a guy who was inferior to him? (kiwi who could not win a tournament to save his life). Its obvious bad players want to bash instead of blaming themselfs.

Then you go to broodwar that very same idra whined about terran being crap against protoss,About how they could just mass carrier and a-move a terran mech, and that terran a piece of shit race , anyone that knows idra knows very well he mass whined in broodwar as well, its no different. Its sad that i have to almost insult him and call him bteamer but in reality i know hes just frustrated with the game because hes not living up to expectations (from code S to out of gsl in 1 month), so he needs an outlet to blame.

The funny thing is, Broodwar is still there, Go play it.............

The tone of this thread makes it seem as if we should all shit in the pot that we eat from. And that we should all hope this game dies a miserable death and that we all switch over to league of legends and take up new things to complain about, such as blaming allys for the loss because the game isnt 100% based on one player but a team. Or that X hero is a low tier hero and that he should never be used in a competitive game. Or maybe we should switch over to fighting games and be forced to play only high tier characters and die of boredom playing the same character 9000000000000000 games in a row, or maybe we should play a shooter and abuse the best guns.

As a matter of fact, All esports is fucking bullshit, there is an excuse for everything .Lets just scrap it all and be done with the gimmicks. Time for real jobs. I guess daddy was right, games are a waste of time.
RealQ
Profile Joined March 2011
1120 Posts
February 02 2012 22:06 GMT
#138
Variance and Sample sizes.
saynomore
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway149 Posts
February 02 2012 23:39 GMT
#139
On February 03 2012 00:41 MichaelJLowell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 23:36 IdrA wrote:
cuz its a shit game

In This Post: Overrated players construct an imaginary set of rules for how the game should be played, perform accordingly, and lash out at the game because of it. Or maybe he's trying to sell that high-quality, 10.2-ounce, one-hundred-percent cotton T-shirt linked in his signature, a T-Shirt detailing the wacky adventures of one IdrA "IdrA" Grackenhauer, which can be yours for the low price of $24.95 and ships in one to three business days. I can't tell.


Oh, wow. I am dying here!
I dont like you
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 23:43:56
February 02 2012 23:39 GMT
#140
Why NA players always complain more about the game than players from other regions.
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