As promised - Hwanni Interview Sorry it is in another thread, it was too long to post here.
We're extremely proud to announce not one but two great additions; Lee Seok "aLive" Han and Sung Hwan "Hwanni" Kim.
He may only be 19 years old, but Lee Seok "aLive" Han is already considered to be one of the best Terran players in the world. It's been a long hard road for him over the past month, and we'd like to thank all for helping make it a happy ending. We have agreed a transfer with Coach Lee after much discussion, that will allow aLive to leave TSL and join FnaticRaidCall officially.
Here is what Coach Lee from TSL had to say about the transfer:
"TSL's Lee Seok Han (aLive) will be moving to team FnaticRaidCall starting from 2012/2/1. Fnatic and TSL have found a consensus after a long discussion period. Lee Seok Han will be playing Hot6 GSL Code S Round of 16 under Fnatic. TSL's coach Lee has put a lot of effort to Lee Seok and thus feels a bit sorrow on his departure, but he wishes best of luck and better performance of alive at his new team and wishes fnatic to take good care of Lee Seok as well. TSL is currently looking for a high quality Terran or Protoss player and will announce recruitments of him or her in the near future."
Here's what Lee Seok "aLive" Han himself had to say about this news:
"I am glad that this issue has been resolved in a peaceful and positive way and I am looking to put this episode behind me. I will try to do my best to do well in my new environment, a proud member of FnaticRaidCall."
We decided to not stop there, in our ambitious plans for Korea, Han Lee is not the only one who will be putting on those black and orange colors today, Sung Hwan "Hwanni" Kim will be joining us as Korean General Manager.
From Fnatics side our General Manager, Elroy Pinto, and overseer of Fnatic SC2 said the following:
"We are glad to have finally reached an amicable deal with Coach Lee, TSL & aLive. As of today we are proud to have aLive joining our ranks as a member of our StarCraft 2 team. Fnatic strongly believes that for the development of the scene it was in everyones best interest that we paid a transfer fee to Coach Lee.
We respect Coach Lee's dedication and send our apologies to him - we greatly admire his team and his ability. We also respected aLive's decision to resolve this with Coach Lee this is the reason why this took a while.
As for our fans - we thank you for trusting us and believing in our ability to resolve this amicably. Now go watch aLive play in the Hot6 GSL Code S Round 16, and wish him luck!"
Fnatic's CEO and founder, Sam Mathews, had a few words about the new appointment:
"We have long had an envious eye on the Korean market, with its expansive team structure, media, and fan base, it is by all accounts the test bed for eSports. In 2012 we made it our mission to make our orange and black mark on Korea. Hwanni joins us at the begining of that endevour, and we're excited to have him! He's well respected and we have known him for many years. He will oversee all our operations in KR. Welcome Hwanni!"
As we've mentioned before, we've got huge plans for Fnatic this year, so watch this space.
Korean General Manager, Hwanni, had this to say:
"I am very thrilled to join Fnatic. I also would like to thank all the people in Fnatic letting this to happen. Will do my best to make this team great ever. Thank You."
Fnatic would also like to thank Brian Hyun Choi (spirit_sentinel) for all his help and for being instrumental in all of fnatics korean endevours to date. Last but not least thank you so much to our executive Starcraft Manager, Elroy Pinto for all his hard work in making all this possible.
The full press release and statement from Hwanni can be seen HERE.
So this is a standard TSL pattern? I feel like it happened with Puma...
Player leaves, blindside your player with a scathing statement through one of your chummy reporter friends after telling the player everything was cool beforehand, because you're bitter about the guy leaving but can't actually do anything about it?
On February 01 2012 12:11 Waxangel wrote: So this is a standard TSL pattern? I feel like it happened with Puma...
Player leaves, blindside your player with a scathing statement through one of your chummy reporter friends after telling the player everything was cool beforehand, because you're bitter about the guy leaving but can't actually do anything about it?
I'm almost certain aLive didn't talk about it before-hand with Coach Lee. He even mentioned in the interview that he had PLANS to, but didn't
Congrats to all parties involved for sorting this out peacefully though.
@OP very glad that everything worked out nicely. It would have sucked if alive was left teamless. Also I hope he wears the Fnatic jacket they wear to MLG, because those things are really cool.
@OP very glad that everything worked out nicely. It would have sucked if alive was left teamless. Also I hope he wears the Fnatic jacket they wear to MLG, because those things are really cool.
He has run CS and SC teams (E-stro) before. He probably knows more about running a team than many coaches on newer teams. I would not doubt his abilities. I'm sure people like Artosis have huge amounts of respect for Hwanni for a reason.
Wowwww looks like foreigner teams are taking the good Koreans as of recently. A bit surprised at the Hwanni acquisition. Good luck to aLive and Hwanni in Fnatic!
He has run CS and SC teams (E-stro) before. He probably knows more about running a team than many coaches on newer teams. I would not doubt his abilities. I'm sure people like Artosis have huge amounts of respect for Hwanni for a reason.
Hwanni is THE bridge between Korean players and the foreign scene and vice versa.
This reminds me of when EG signed Tasteless -- the difference is that Hwanni has more team management experience and has much more influence among Korean players.
It seems fnatic is building up a huge powerbase and is planning for the long-term. I wonder where they, with their massive resources, will be a few years from now.
For info on why Fnatic would hire Hwanni, just hear him talk about his experience in this interview he did with JP. He's been around a loooong time. He has a lot of experience and a lot of info on the Korean scene, and will be very good for Fnatic with dealing with current/potential Korean players.
@OP very glad that everything worked out nicely. It would have sucked if alive was left teamless. Also I hope he wears the Fnatic jacket they wear to MLG, because those things are really cool.
my thread is older than his thread...
His thread is an announcement, not to mention he also works for Fnatic.
YAAAY HWANNI! That man was with Artosis when he accompanied Major from the Korean airport. Also, good and aLive! Im glad Fnatic decided to pick you up, mate.
On February 01 2012 12:29 FabledIntegral wrote: How long has it been fnaticraidcall instead of fnaticMSI?
Wondering that myself.
So, what will Hwanni be doing at Fnatic?
Imagine Hwanni doing his thing in fnatic. All the contacts he has.. Hwanni has managing experience way back! Hes going to make fnatic much better just watch. By giving his wisdom to the team and all the contacts he can provide them with practice and such ... hmm this will help out a lot ..
Never thought I'd see the day when a BW manager would be managing a foreign team, congrats to alive and hwanni :O! fnatic's looking to be pretty stacked with the playing ability of alive and the managing ability of hwanni!
Congratz to aLive and Hwanni! It is a natural move for fnatic to pick up aLive, a very smart move to pick up Hwanni, and I'm seeing IM and fnatic partnership soon in the future.
On February 01 2012 12:49 dekarp wrote: Hmm? Another translator? They already have Double D Choi, not sure what this is about...
Hwanni's not acting as a translator, he's been appointed the Fnatic Korean manager, whatever that means. I think they picked up the right man for the job, though, given his long presence in the scene. Not to mention, I've liked him ever since I saw him ruffle Bomber's hair in that one house tour Artosis filmed ...
On February 01 2012 12:29 FabledIntegral wrote: How long has it been fnaticraidcall instead of fnaticMSI?
Wondering that myself.
So, what will Hwanni be doing at Fnatic?
Imagine Hwanni doing his thing in fnatic. All the contacts he has.. Hwanni has managing experience way back! Hes going to make fnatic much better just watch. By giving his wisdom to the team and all the contacts he can provide them with practice and such ... hmm this will help out a lot ..
I've been paying attention to SC since 04, I know who he is, I don't know what he is doing on Fnatic. I'm not saying it was a bad move, just wondering what his position will be.
On February 01 2012 12:29 FabledIntegral wrote: How long has it been fnaticraidcall instead of fnaticMSI?
Wondering that myself.
So, what will Hwanni be doing at Fnatic?
Imagine Hwanni doing his thing in fnatic. All the contacts he has.. Hwanni has managing experience way back! Hes going to make fnatic much better just watch. By giving his wisdom to the team and all the contacts he can provide them with practice and such ... hmm this will help out a lot ..
I've been paying attention to SC since 04, I know who he is, I don't know what he is doing on Fnatic. I'm not saying it was a bad move, just wondering what his position will be.
Helping them expand into Korea? Maybe get a teamhouse. See what their strategies are in Korea. Also managing travel and tournament arrangements for the Korean players.
Sweet, Hwanni. I have some issue with Fnatic though due to my fandom. You know, with so many koreans coming to foreign teams and even some moving to other countries, soon we all be a nice melting pot of godly SC2.
Happy for Alive and that this whole ordeal got settled. I still have a bad taste in my mouth about the way fnatic handle the situation. It seems pretty obvious at this point they were not being truthful when they stated they were not attempting to recruit alive and had no influence on him leaving TSL. I generally support foreign teams, in hopes of foreign teams performing better, but I'm really not inclined to support a foreign team who's focus is poaching Korean stars. I still like alive and hopes he succeeds, however I have 0 inclination to root for fnatic the way I would instinctively root for anyone from Team Liquid or EG or Dignitias. Also if people want to bring up TSL poor history of player retention, look no further than the wiki on fnatic for much lengthier list of "Former Players".
On February 01 2012 13:12 MrCash wrote: Happy for Alive and that this whole ordeal got settled. I still have a bad taste in my mouth about the way fnatic handle the situation. It seems pretty obvious at this point they were not being truthful when they stated they were not attempting to recruit alive and had no influence on him leaving TSL. I generally support foreign teams, in hopes of foreign teams performing better, but I'm really not inclined to support a foreign team who's focus is poaching Korean stars. I still like alive and hopes he succeeds, however I have 0 inclination to root for fnatic the way I would instinctively root for anyone from Team Liquid or EG or Dignitias. Also if people want to bring up TSL poor history of player retention, look no further than the wiki on fnatic for much lengthier list of "Former Players".
You're going to run out of foreign teams to root for pretty soon lol.
On February 01 2012 13:12 MrCash wrote: Happy for Alive and that this whole ordeal got settled. I still have a bad taste in my mouth about the way fnatic handle the situation. It seems pretty obvious at this point they were not being truthful when they stated they were not attempting to recruit alive and had no influence on him leaving TSL. I generally support foreign teams, in hopes of foreign teams performing better, but I'm really not inclined to support a foreign team who's focus is poaching Korean stars. I still like alive and hopes he succeeds, however I have 0 inclination to root for fnatic the way I would instinctively root for anyone from Team Liquid or EG or Dignitias. Also if people want to bring up TSL poor history of player retention, look no further than the wiki on fnatic for much lengthier list of "Former Players".
You're going to run out of foreign teams to root for pretty soon lol.
Sadly, that sounds to be true, as the appeal of foreign teams seems to be rising for Koreans and a lot of foreign teams want to get a quick cash in, not considering the long term investment. I really like the analogy made by, I believe, Sase. A player living/going to Korea is an investment, when they train there they rise in value, but once they leave, they stagnate. So basically you are cashing in on whatever skill level they are once you pulled them from there. Of course, I don't believe this to be universal fact, but there is some truth to it and historical evidence of this as well. I also want foreign players to have opportunity to thrive and succeed, I don't mind EG taking in Puma and JYP, as long as they continue to promote players like Machine and incontrol. (Super stars like Idra and Huk are almost guaranteed some future, but I'm also glad they have a comfortable team).
Every other team that didnt fight for Hwanni fails in my book haha. Im the biggest EG fanboi ever but Fnatic is going to be the top dogs soon depending on how much Hwanni will have to do with Recruiting and Training in Korea.
On February 01 2012 12:29 FabledIntegral wrote: How long has it been fnaticraidcall instead of fnaticMSI?
Wondering that myself.
So, what will Hwanni be doing at Fnatic?
Imagine Hwanni doing his thing in fnatic. All the contacts he has.. Hwanni has managing experience way back! Hes going to make fnatic much better just watch. By giving his wisdom to the team and all the contacts he can provide them with practice and such ... hmm this will help out a lot ..
I've been paying attention to SC since 04, I know who he is, I don't know what he is doing on Fnatic. I'm not saying it was a bad move, just wondering what his position will be.
Helping them expand into Korea? Maybe get a teamhouse. See what their strategies are in Korea. Also managing travel and tournament arrangements for the Korean players.
On February 01 2012 12:29 FabledIntegral wrote: How long has it been fnaticraidcall instead of fnaticMSI?
Wondering that myself.
So, what will Hwanni be doing at Fnatic?
Imagine Hwanni doing his thing in fnatic. All the contacts he has.. Hwanni has managing experience way back! Hes going to make fnatic much better just watch. By giving his wisdom to the team and all the contacts he can provide them with practice and such ... hmm this will help out a lot ..
I've been paying attention to SC since 04, I know who he is, I don't know what he is doing on Fnatic. I'm not saying it was a bad move, just wondering what his position will be.
Helping them expand into Korea? Maybe get a teamhouse. See what their strategies are in Korea. Also managing travel and tournament arrangements for the Korean players.
Thank you!
Don't take my word for it though. I'm just speculating. But it seems logical
On February 01 2012 12:29 FabledIntegral wrote: How long has it been fnaticraidcall instead of fnaticMSI?
Wondering that myself.
So, what will Hwanni be doing at Fnatic?
Imagine Hwanni doing his thing in fnatic. All the contacts he has.. Hwanni has managing experience way back! Hes going to make fnatic much better just watch. By giving his wisdom to the team and all the contacts he can provide them with practice and such ... hmm this will help out a lot ..
I've been paying attention to SC since 04, I know who he is, I don't know what he is doing on Fnatic. I'm not saying it was a bad move, just wondering what his position will be.
He was a good manager, his team just lost sponsors. It's a good move, especially if they want to move to Korea, which this acquisition seems to imply.
On February 01 2012 12:06 fams wrote: Fnatic would also like to thank Brian Hyun Choi (spirit_sentinel) for all his help and for being instrumental in all of fnatics korean endevours to date.
Who else thinks this is the guy that was mentioned as the translator that stole aLive?
On February 01 2012 12:06 fams wrote: Fnatic would also like to thank Brian Hyun Choi (spirit_sentinel) for all his help and for being instrumental in all of fnatics korean endevours to date.
Who else thinks this is the guy that was mentioned as the translator that stole aLive?
edit: Forgot [ in /QUOTE]
He is. But he didn't 'steal' aLive... he just let him know that there was an interest.
On February 01 2012 12:49 dekarp wrote: Hmm? Another translator? They already have Double D Choi, not sure what this is about...
Hwanni's not acting as a translator, he's been appointed the Fnatic Korean manager, whatever that means. I think they picked up the right man for the job, though, given his long presence in the scene. Not to mention, I've liked him ever since I saw him ruffle Bomber's hair in that one house tour Artosis filmed ...
Oh, now that I actually read the OP I guess it was just there... was busy working on something and all I read was "Hwanni to Fnatic" and assumed he was just going there as a translator.
aLive's addition to the fnatic.sc2 roster just made fnatic one of the best foreigner teams out there.
Also, I dont know what Hwanni's role is, but you can be 100% sure that fnatic have some major plans for their fnatic.sc2 team. I can smell the first foreigner team (fnatic)'s very own Korean training house incoming!
On February 01 2012 13:12 MrCash wrote: Happy for Alive and that this whole ordeal got settled. I still have a bad taste in my mouth about the way fnatic handle the situation. It seems pretty obvious at this point they were not being truthful when they stated they were not attempting to recruit alive and had no influence on him leaving TSL. I generally support foreign teams, in hopes of foreign teams performing better, but I'm really not inclined to support a foreign team who's focus is poaching Korean stars. I still like alive and hopes he succeeds, however I have 0 inclination to root for fnatic the way I would instinctively root for anyone from Team Liquid or EG or Dignitias. Also if people want to bring up TSL poor history of player retention, look no further than the wiki on fnatic for much lengthier list of "Former Players".
The thing that really bugs me about "poaching" is that people's arguments always seem to ignore player's choice in the matter.
Regardless of whether or not fnatic is great at holding onto players of thier own, it is still the player's decision and desire that leads them to another team.
lol tired of the " TSL lost another player", remember aLive wanted to leave from the get go. Someone or something is fucking up in TSL if good players keep leaving.
On February 01 2012 13:12 MrCash wrote: Happy for Alive and that this whole ordeal got settled. I still have a bad taste in my mouth about the way fnatic handle the situation. It seems pretty obvious at this point they were not being truthful when they stated they were not attempting to recruit alive and had no influence on him leaving TSL. I generally support foreign teams, in hopes of foreign teams performing better, but I'm really not inclined to support a foreign team who's focus is poaching Korean stars. I still like alive and hopes he succeeds, however I have 0 inclination to root for fnatic the way I would instinctively root for anyone from Team Liquid or EG or Dignitias. Also if people want to bring up TSL poor history of player retention, look no further than the wiki on fnatic for much lengthier list of "Former Players".
The thing that really bugs me about "poaching" is that people's arguments always seem to ignore player's choice in the matter.
Regardless of whether or not fnatic is great at holding onto players of thier own, it is still the player's decision and desire that leads them to another team.
Actually I do prefer the players to get what is best for them. However, the term "poaching" is often used too loosely. If a team is interested in a player, they should approach him and make an offer. If a players likes it, he should take it. Afterwards, either the approaching team or the player have to pay the appropriate consequences, in this case breach of contract penalties. Poaching, at least to me, is when people try to attain players through nefarious or immoral means, especially if they are aware those actions are immoral. Much like poaching of Rhino horns. They might know it's wrong and don't care. If fnatic believed what they were doing was not immoral or wrong, they wouldn't have lied about attempting to recruit alive. It feels apparent they were simply trying to dodge the attached penalties of a contract transfer.
So to simplify, I am happy for alive (and every player who can improve his own life/career), I do not respect fnatic's actions. Seeing fnatic's history though, I am also worried about their ability to help him grow. Many of these players are young and the industry is not well developed, plenty of cracks in the system to fall through.
When I start to think about this, it seems that Hwanni is the alternative solution Fnatic talked about when they did not go through with the co-operation with TSL. Yeah, it looks like Fnatic is soon to open a team house in Seoul.
On February 01 2012 15:06 Fourn wrote: Anyone else waiting to see if Coach Lee complains?
Read the OP; he already released a statement. It would be PR suicide if he complains after having made his statement regarding the matter already, essentially closing the issue.
On February 01 2012 15:30 K3Nyy wrote: Wow fnatic became an all Korean team now.
Feels weird.
How does it feel weird? Our Warcraft III team was entirely Korean, manager included.
Fnatic was introduced to the sc2 scene by being an american team with sen (tt1 kawaii gretorp I might be forgetting someone?) You can't say it doesn't feel weird for those who didn't know Fnatic before sc2 =P
They have made 2 great acquisitions here! aLive is a top korean terran and I'm glad coach lee has bit the bullet and given up slandering teams who pick up his players for now...... Fnatic obviously have a big korean ambition picking up hwanni! Best of luck to all of them :D
On February 01 2012 16:33 krpost wrote: Not Good. Fnatic isn't Major Team SC2 even if two people join Fnatic..
i don't feel that way.
1-2 more players and they have a very strong lineup. with hwanni they will be able to find the players before they stepped up (just like TL did with hero did)
On February 01 2012 16:33 krpost wrote: Not Good. Fnatic isn't Major Team SC2 even if two people join Fnatic..
i don't feel that way.
1-2 more players and they have a very strong lineup. with hwanni they will be able to find the players before they stepped up (just like TL did with hero did)
Ummm I'm sorry but what do you mean with Hero? Just how has he stepped it up in any way? As far as I know his performance has stayed same the whole time, he just begun going to foreigner tournaments? o.O
On February 01 2012 16:33 krpost wrote: Not Good. Fnatic isn't Major Team SC2 even if two people join Fnatic..
i don't feel that way.
1-2 more players and they have a very strong lineup. with hwanni they will be able to find the players before they stepped up (just like TL did with hero did)
Ummm I'm sorry but what do you mean with Hero? Just how has he stepped it up in any way? As far as I know his performance has stayed same the whole time, he just begun going to foreigner tournaments? o.O
Guess he means stepping up by acquiring a better team (e.g. grabbing HerO, then Zenio from oGs, though they lost HuK to EG).
It is great that the TSL drama have subsided enugh for Fnatic to sign aLive. I am happy that aLive isn't teamless anymore or threatened to be sued. That said... I still think Coach Lee is a jerk. But good luc to aLive on his new team.
On February 01 2012 17:00 eYeball wrote: Curious why Hwanni changed from IM to Fnatic, maybe they just didn't need him more or?
I'm sure he didn't change anything at all...did he have an official position with IM? He helped them out when they streamed but I don't think he had an official position, he was just involved with them (like he seems to be with every part of eSports in Korea somehow). In any case, just because he's with Fnatic doesn't mean he can't do stuff with IM, right?
TSL's coach Lee has put a lot of effort to Lee Seok and thus feels a bit sorrow on his departure, but he wishes best of luck and better performance of alive at his new team
For those wondering about Raidcall/MSi, they didn't lost their sponsorship from MSi, they just got a new title sponsor. MSi is still their main sponsor.
I ain't sure if that's really the right move for aLive, I remember thinking that PuMa would soon become a S class player, before he joined EG, and then he turned into yet another decent -but far from extraordinary- korean player, I hope the same doesn't happen to aLive because he's leaving the environment that truthfully, allowed him to be who he is.
i don't like all the coach lee bashing. he's not that bad of a guy and let's face it, he dedicates himself to starcraft more than a lot of other people in the scene. i hope TSL can pull it together, but i am glad to see the foreign teams getting more koreans. alive will do well with fnatic.
On February 01 2012 12:11 Waxangel wrote: So this is a standard TSL pattern? I feel like it happened with Puma...
Player leaves, blindside your player with a scathing statement through one of your chummy reporter friends after telling the player everything was cool beforehand, because you're bitter about the guy leaving but can't actually do anything about it?
I'm almost certain aLive didn't talk about it before-hand with Coach Lee. He even mentioned in the interview that he had PLANS to, but didn't
Congrats to all parties involved for sorting this out peacefully though.
Ill say this much about you, if I was an owner of a team you are exactly the type of fan I would want supporting my team..
On February 01 2012 17:26 R!! wrote: I ain't sure if that's really the right move for aLive, I remember thinking that PuMa would soon become a S class player, before he joined EG, and then he turned into yet another decent -but far from extraordinary- korean player, I hope the same doesn't happen to aLive because he's leaving the environment that truthfully, allowed him to be who he is.
the difference is alive is an established code s player, puma wasn't.
Looking forward to see more of aLive, he was one of the first korean players who showed interest and participated own his own in the foreign scene (nasl, I believe).
"TSL is currently looking for a high quality Terran or Protoss player and will announce recruitments of him or her in the near future." - Interesting. Gl to all parties, glad there was no drama this time.
Good Luck to Alive and Hwanni, I hope this works out well for them. Now what I am wondering is what will happen to Heart now that he is teamless? Will Fnatic pick him up too? He is one of those players with a lot of potential.
Really liking that aLive got out of that weird purgatory he was in. Coach Lee should stop trying to stand in the way of his players careers. Especially since reading between the lines in Fnatic's statement seems to say "Coach Lee wouldn't let this go without trying to milk it for money, even though aLive was assured he could leave some time ago"
Very amused at the tame comment from Coach Lee. I'm guessing he realises people know he has cried wolf too many times in the past and don't take him (too) seriously now.
Very glad to see Hwanni join fnatic thought. He's always seemed like a really standup guy and it's nice he's got a respectable home in the foreigner community now.
Manager I believe, not translator. (hwanni used to be the manager of eStro cs 1.6 in the past, so he has very much experience with the foreign community). I'm pretty sure Fnatic are about to open their own teamhouse in Korea.
Good pick up. If Moon hasn't somehow atrophied or degenerated from his early SC2 strength, Fnatic just acquired the beginnings of an amazing line up. For course, the rest of the players don't even have to be Moon/aLive caliber. I think we'll be seeing some great things in team leagues soon.
So Coach Lee was paid off to keep calm about the transfer eh. Seems hes building TSL into being a farm league for western teams, where he profits by taking the transfer fees when he loses players.
Good to see aLive find a new team. He's by far my favorite player, so I'm happy he joined a solid team. With the addition of Hwanni as manager I think Fnatic is an upcoming strong force!
On February 01 2012 21:39 red4ce wrote: EG and Liquid think they scored it big with Puma and Hero? Fnatic 1up's them by getting a Korean who's actually good in the GSL.
Well to be fair, SK signed MC a few weeks ago. Now only Nestea or Mvp can top that.
On February 01 2012 21:39 red4ce wrote: EG and Liquid think they scored it big with Puma and Hero? Fnatic 1up's them by getting a Korean who's actually good in the GSL.
Well to be fair, SK signed MC a few weeks ago. Now only Nestea or Mvp can top that.
I think that's very arguable, that he's the nr3 player these days..
On February 01 2012 21:39 red4ce wrote: EG and Liquid think they scored it big with Puma and Hero? Fnatic 1up's them by getting a Korean who's actually good in the GSL.
Don't piss all over a bunch of players you've probably never even met's achievements. PuMa and HerO are amazing players - with many titles to their names. That is a lot more than you can say for a lot of Koreans who attend major tournaments - and do "well" in the GSL (Code A or S).
Seriously, show some respect where it has been earned - PuMa and HerO, have earned it.
On February 01 2012 20:53 Legio wrote: So Coach Lee was paid off to keep calm about the transfer eh. Seems hes building TSL into being a farm league for western teams, where he profits by taking the transfer fees when he loses players.
Is it unreasonable to ask for a transfer fee when a player breaks a contract prematurely to sign with another team? Isn't that the standard thing to do in every field of work? To be honest, he owes it to all the other teams to demand a transfer fee.
On February 01 2012 21:39 red4ce wrote: EG and Liquid think they scored it big with Puma and Hero? Fnatic 1up's them by getting a Korean who's actually good in the GSL.
Don't piss all over a bunch of players you've probably never even met's achievements. PuMa and HerO are amazing players - with many titles to their names. That is a lot more than you can say for a lot of Koreans who attend major tournaments - and do "well" in the GSL (Code A or S).
Seriously, show some respect where it has been earned - PuMa and HerO, have earned it.
Well, to be fair, HerO and PuMa had the chance to attend lots of foreigner tournaments, while aLive just didnt.
Under the fnatic flag, I expect him to attend many tournaments and win a lot more than lets say HerO on the international stage.
Also I remember him beating Stephano 2-0, while other Koreans lost to him (I forgot what tournament, I think IPL ?)
Congrats aLive, hope all of this goes behind you to the past and you play your best for Fnatic, and Fnatic does their best for you. Congrats Hwanni, moving into what is sure to be an important role as part of the Fnatic management staff.
Coach Lee, thanks for getting it all sorted out without umpteen more dramatic pronouncements, and cute way to slip in your own recruiting pitch. Hope you get your team sorted out.
Good luck to all TSL and Fnatic. You'll need it. (I'm an EG/Liquid fan, sorry. )
On February 01 2012 21:39 red4ce wrote: EG and Liquid think they scored it big with Puma and Hero? Fnatic 1up's them by getting a Korean who's actually good in the GSL.
Don't piss all over a bunch of players you've probably never even met's achievements. PuMa and HerO are amazing players - with many titles to their names. That is a lot more than you can say for a lot of Koreans who attend major tournaments - and do "well" in the GSL (Code A or S).
Seriously, show some respect where it has been earned - PuMa and HerO, have earned it.
On February 01 2012 21:39 red4ce wrote: EG and Liquid think they scored it big with Puma and Hero? Fnatic 1up's them by getting a Korean who's actually good in the GSL.
Well to be fair, SK signed MC a few weeks ago. Now only Nestea or Mvp can top that.
If teams started hiring PR to get rid of all the leaky boats out there.
Every boat is side by side and as one starts leaking they bail out the water into the next boat and as they start leaking the process repeats itself over and over.
Grats to Fnatic, no real suprise here but they got one sick player in Alive. Also grats to Hwanni in his new job with Fnatic, this guy should have been picked up long ago, he's got a big heart for E-sports.
Nice pickup, Alive is currently the most fun player to watch imo. His rushes are just beastly but he can also follow them up with a very solid late game.
On February 01 2012 12:11 Waxangel wrote: So this is a standard TSL pattern? I feel like it happened with Puma...
Player leaves, blindside your player with a scathing statement through one of your chummy reporter friends after telling the player everything was cool beforehand, because you're bitter about the guy leaving but can't actually do anything about it?
Sure seems like it, now that its happened a few times. Glad TSL coach is being shown for the child he is.
Looking back at the lineup Fnatic started with upon release and their current lineup, MASSIVE restructuring of the team makeup. Pretty excited to see this "new" team in action ^_^
aLive is one of the few "educated" picks I've seen from a western team hiring a Korean. I mean usually west-team's choice in that area are at least questionable, at most just dumb.
really happy for alive, i can't wait to see him at more tournaments now. but will hwanni still be ok to do the IM stream stuff though now he works for fnatic?
Seeing alive crush his gsl group yesterday I am really positive that this guy will be one of the new terran forces to come.
Artosis said that aLive is considered the best player in the TSL but his nerves were bringing him down and seeing his games yesterday made me think that this guy might be the next supernova
On February 02 2012 07:27 phame21 wrote: Seeing alive crush his gsl group yesterday I am really positive that this guy will be one of the new terran forces to come.
Artosis said that aLive is considered the best player in the TSL but his nerves were bringing him down and seeing his games yesterday made me think that this guy might be the next supernova
He's already a Terran force, and has been for a while.
On February 02 2012 07:05 MrCon wrote: aLive is one of the few "educated" picks I've seen from a western team hiring a Korean. I mean usually west-team's choice in that area are at least questionable, at most just dumb.
Like who? Which western team has made a questionable signing in your opinion and why? My post is not meant to be combative but I can't think of many teams who've made poor decisions and suffered by signing Koreans.
On February 02 2012 07:05 MrCon wrote: aLive is one of the few "educated" picks I've seen from a western team hiring a Korean. I mean usually west-team's choice in that area are at least questionable, at most just dumb.
Like who? Which western team has made a questionable signing in your opinion and why? My post is not meant to be combative but I can't think of many teams who've made poor decisions and suffered by signing Koreans.
well I dont like the latest QxC recruit, but then again they arent a big clan with big money like fnatic, and cant afford the best WC3 player ever and a Top 8 Code S player
On February 02 2012 15:57 quickclickz wrote: Damn what's with fnatic doing all these big pickups.. I was expecting SK to be doing this when they picked up MC.. the hell
SK kinda said MC was their only signing and they had no immediate plans on giving him teammates.
On February 02 2012 15:57 quickclickz wrote: Damn what's with fnatic doing all these big pickups.. I was expecting SK to be doing this when they picked up MC.. the hell
SK kinda said MC was their only signing and they had no immediate plans on giving him teammates.
On February 02 2012 07:05 MrCon wrote: aLive is one of the few "educated" picks I've seen from a western team hiring a Korean. I mean usually west-team's choice in that area are at least questionable, at most just dumb.
Like who? Which western team has made a questionable signing in your opinion and why? My post is not meant to be combative but I can't think of many teams who've made poor decisions and suffered by signing Koreans.
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