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jj33
802 Posts
On January 01 2012 01:52 SC2NeCro wrote: Grouping Demuslim in with Axslav, Machine, Strife etc. is unfair. He's much better than them. He might have a bit more skill, but lumping him in with them is fine, as he hasn't accomplished jack. EG's accomplished players are Puma/idra/huk and JYP. Lumping in demuslim with them is even more unfair. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On January 01 2012 03:07 jj33 wrote: He might have a bit more skill, but lumping him in with them is fine, as he hasn't accomplished jack. EG's accomplished players are Puma/idra/huk and JYP. Lumping in demuslim with them is even more unfair. i would like to mention that Demuslim is hot tho | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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ChrysaliS_
United States261 Posts
On January 01 2012 03:07 jj33 wrote: He might have a bit more skill, but lumping him in with them is fine, as he hasn't accomplished jack. EG's accomplished players are Puma/idra/huk and JYP. Lumping in demuslim with them is even more unfair. Except Demuslim was out for months with a broken hand. The point is that Demuslim/Idra/Huk/JYP/Puma deserve to be on the team, whereas the rest don't in terms of skill. | ||
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jj33
802 Posts
On January 01 2012 03:16 ChrysaliS_ wrote: Except Demuslim was out for months with a broken hand. The point is that Demuslim/Idra/Huk/JYP/Puma deserve to be on the team, whereas the rest don't in terms of skill. More excuses. Broken hand or not, he would not have won anything. Or even be able to perform vs top notch players. Puma/idra/JYP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demuslim broken hand or not, it's not even close. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
What a silly attitude to have if you think Lz/Machine/Axslav/Strife don't deserve to be there | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On January 01 2012 03:21 Xeris wrote: Teams aren't constructed purely based on skill. Korean proteams have like 20 players... only 5-6 get used regularly in clanwars and make the GSL runs -- doesn't mean that the other 15 don't deserve to be on the team. What a silly attitude to have if you think Lz/Machine/Axslav/Strife don't deserve to be there Deserve is the wrong word. Maybe they're amazing practice partners. Nevertheless, they're pretty horrible compared to other pros. | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
Seems to me like EG is doing a good job of assembling a group of players that fit their team vision and can accomplish the team goals at a variety of levels. As eSports grow and the teams and sponsorships increase a lot more factors play a role in team creation other than just simply trying to get the best 4-6 players possible and dumping any player that hasnt won a recent tournament. I appreciate the professional and business like approach EG takes to eSports. It will ultimately help raise the bar for all foreign based teams and benefit all pro players as well. The lack of appreciation of team dynamics and understanding of business in this thread is ridiculous... But maybe a lot of people on TL haven't played team sports or taken a business/Eco class... | ||
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TheHova
United Kingdom2612 Posts
On January 01 2012 03:20 jj33 wrote: More excuses. Broken hand or not, he would not have won anything. Or even be able to perform vs top notch players. Puma/idra/JYP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demuslim broken hand or not, it's not even close. That's complete horseshit. He was performing well before his broken arm and has performed well when he's got back into shape since the injury. IdrA said he was one of the best foreign macro-orientated Terrans period and EG signed him on IdrA's recommendation. He was EG's ace in clan wars when they could choose either IdrA or PuMa. He'd have performed well against top notch players. You're just spouted absolute crap and trying to trivialise an injury that would so obviously affect anybody. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On December 31 2011 22:38 kiy0 wrote: One didn't need to read a bunch of opinions on dozens of posts to figure out it was JYP. Since the release of SC2, EG has never once signed a players 'cause of his potential or personality. Leave the whole "he fits perfectly into our team strategy and shares the same thoughts we do as to what the team goals and direction is" easy and politically correct kind of talk out of this. They sign players based on a combination of two things: accomplishment history and popularity. Look at their signings previous to JYP. IdrA, DeMuslim, Puma and HuK. IdrA was at the time by far the most well known and achieving foreign player in SC and a pivotal figure in E-Sports. DeMuslim is a legend in the whole RTS genre. Puma had just won the NASL Season 1 and HuK has always been a fan favorite plus he is an excellent player. This being said, what I meant with "this is how EG works" is that they don't look at expenses to make the best move marketing wise. They want EG to be at the top of the most of the revelant E-Sports related competitions. JYP was the only player that made sense for them to adquire at this point. Moon is back playing WC3 and has no accomplishments in SC2. Killer is in Code A and it would be an enormous risk to sign him provided he could easily fall into Code B. Grubby is a foreigner version of Moon. And when I say "marketing wise", I they don't take chances on players that can someday be good. They bet on sure things and safe values so that they can keep EG's name at the top. And before you start ramparting on me, I don't mean to say this is an incorrect or less noble managing strategy. This is the path they chose and thus far they've had tremendous success with it. There's nothing wrong with signing the best players. JYP signed with EG while he was still in Code A. It's just that the announcement came after he made Code S. | ||
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striderxxx
Canada443 Posts
On January 01 2012 03:25 Shiori wrote: Deserve is the wrong word. Maybe they're amazing practice partners. Nevertheless, they're pretty horrible compared to other pros. i agree, i would hardly even consider them pros | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
On January 01 2012 03:20 jj33 wrote: More excuses. Broken hand or not, he would not have won anything. Or even be able to perform vs top notch players. Puma/idra/JYP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demuslim broken hand or not, it's not even close. Are you kidding lol? you obviously didn't follow the scene at all a year ago if you think DeMu wouldn't have won anything without his injury. He was easily top 2 EU terran with Sjow and consistantly placed high and qualified for damn near every large EU tournament. He was COMPLETELY outclassing many of his opponents and had been since beta, he may not be winning anything now but you'd have to be extremely myopic to have that view of this time last year. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On January 01 2012 03:36 Badfatpanda wrote: Are you kidding lol? you obviously didn't follow the scene at all a year ago if you think DeMu wouldn't have won anything without his injury. He was easily top 2 EU terran with Sjow and consistantly placed high and qualified for damn near every large EU tournament. He was COMPLETELY outclassing many of his opponents and had been since beta, he may not be winning anything now but you'd have to be extremely myopic to have that view of this time last year. A year ago BitByBit was winning and FruitDealer won a GSL -_- | ||
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WightyCity
Canada887 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 01 2012 03:43 VirgilSC2 wrote: A year ago BitByBit was winning and FruitDealer won a GSL -_- I love how no SC2 player has left more of a legacy than BitByBit, even though it's been nearly a year since he lost to Moon everyone still remembers BitByBit well, truly he is the first legend of SC2. | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
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alpinefpOPP
United States134 Posts
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Skates
United Kingdom8 Posts
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
I wonder who Idra, on a side note, is going to practice ZvZ with? He will need to find a good 3 or 4 Koreans to play with to practice for his upcoming gracket of doom. | ||
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Haydin
United States1481 Posts
On January 01 2012 03:25 Shiori wrote: Deserve is the wrong word. Maybe they're amazing practice partners. Nevertheless, they're pretty horrible compared to other pros. Hey remember when Curious did really poorly in a lot of GSTL matches and looked really weak? I hear he's doing pretty well. Or how about Haypro? People spent nearly a YEAR giving that guy shit until MLG Providence. Players improve, and their teams keep them around for a reason. A team member's worth isn't just in pure results, it's also in how helpful they can be as practice partners, or how much potential they might have down the road. Machine, Axslav, and Strife specifically have been playing notably better as of late, even if they're not a favorite going into a tournament. It boggles my mind how people are seemingly incapable of seeing a player's worth beyond the last few months' tournament results. | ||
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