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On December 26 2011 03:04 nath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 03:00 hmunkey wrote:On December 26 2011 02:36 Liight wrote:
This thread is going to be packed with bitter replys from underskilled diamond players who criticize incontrolls sc2 skill back and forth even tho it has nothing to do with the subject.
Why dont people bash day9 as much as Incontroll? Both of them do shitloads for the community and either are GSL level in skill, wich seems to be peoples main focus when a proplayer does anything at all here. Mostly because Day9 is a caster, so no one considers him to be a top-tier player. He's self-admittedly not even GM level on NA. Incontrol on the other hand is a progamer, on a legitimate team with sponsors, and he attends tournaments as a competitor. I don't really agree with the amount of hate he gets seeing as the vast majority of NA (and EU) players are just as good (or bad) as he is, but that's the reasoning behind it. but what about fans of ANY sport criticizing a player who just doesn't hang with everyone else in terms of skill and results? happens all the time and is generally agreed upon to be justified.just because fans of starcraft cant play at incontrol's level (no shit, hes a progamer) doesn't mean they shouldnt criticise him from a sport standpoint as a poor competitor compared to all other pros... i feel like inc is at the level of a NA GM semi-pro and needs to stop focusing on just his image and really buckle down and practice, because then he could actually be good (compared to other pros, yes i know hes better than me and 99% in the forum and that is not the point)
the main discussion forums of SC2 are both heavily moderated, either through popular oppinions only or extremely mannered like TL. Also because of the community support for SC2 and feeling of "intertwining" since it is still a pretty small scene where fan feedback is important it allows evangelists who do a lot of promotion/shows to get really far. Also there is a big lack of an NA tourney scene that most people watch. MLG's are pretty much entirely dominated by a few foreigners and koreans so the stratification in the NA scene is a few at the top and then everyone else.
Basically if NA had a valid regular tournament scene where people could get their names out or play casted it would be different. Currently it is a few sporadic weekend events and the only "regular" tournament (NASL) has fallen pretty far in viewership.
With this type of scene and geoff being featured in most MLG's it does make him a "top exposured" NA player. Basically it's completely logical why he is a "big name" despite abysmal results. The scene really needs to grow about 5x as big and to whole new levels where its to a serious level where there is a big enough foreign talent pool to pick from. Right now in Korea alone they have more "skill" than the rest of the world combined. So it's slim pickings besides a few exceptional players.
The NA SC2 scene really is in infancy right now aside from a select few (including select) so who should have went to HSC instead that would give EG/teams/HSC more exposure? The fans ultimately decide and he has a lot of fans of his play.
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Seriously, I love Tyler, but why didn't he get this amount of shit that iNcontroL is getting for having been invited to Homestory Cup III? Sometimes you people can be really predictable.
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On December 26 2011 03:14 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 02:37 TheButtonmen wrote:On December 26 2011 02:28 Eee wrote:
I really hope he practice his ass off, because he really didnt deserve an invite. Why not? I mean having iNcontrol there will bring them far more viewers then some random good but unknown North American player; he seems like the perfect invite. If they were doing it for that reason than its even more stupid. Also personally, i dont believe that he's that popular in Europe (since it will be casted in EU primetime), and most people i know strongly dislike him. So I would say that it would "damage" their viewership more than it helps it (although i think his participation doesnt really have any effect on viewership).
To say having iNcontrol on your stream will damage your viewership is simply just wrong, like him or not he's one of the most popular players out there and as for if his participation will effect the viewership simply look at how fast this thread is growing compared to others on the front page (on Christmas day too!), how much it' growing compared to other threads linking to old part ones of interviews. iNcontrol brings eyes to whatever he's involved in, this simple part of an interview has already advertised to 6500 people about Homestory cup.
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On December 26 2011 03:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Seriously, I love Tyler, but why didn't he get this amount of shit that iNcontroL is getting for having been invited to Homestory Cup III? Sometimes you people can be really predictable.
because this is thread abour incontrol if there will be thread about tyler he will get shit too. btw atleast tyler isnt trying to cover his lack of skill by being funny and cool guy in every sc2 show possible
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This is TAKES tourney he can invite whoever he wants. Incontrol is to be considered to be one of the weakest there. So what. He can upset the bracket and he's a great addition for the whole atmosphere.
I don't like his playstyle at all and he has to improve a ton BUT I will enjoy his presence, hopefully his casting and all the other stuff around it.
Great addition for a great tournament.
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On December 26 2011 03:59 taitanik wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 03:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Seriously, I love Tyler, but why didn't he get this amount of shit that iNcontroL is getting for having been invited to Homestory Cup III? Sometimes you people can be really predictable. because this is thread abour incontrol if there will be thread about tyler he will get shit too. btw atleast tyler isnt trying to cover his lack of skill by being funny and cool guy in every sc2 show possible
Wow. This statement is... I don't even know. Are you saying that he is acting as a funny and cool guy on several popular shows to try and cover for his supposed "lack of skill"?
Okay.
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Cool invite great personality and sense of humor which will make HSC4 all the better. Nani's awkward like a rock personality could use lessons from incontrol.
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Nice interview. Good luck Incontrol !
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On December 26 2011 03:59 taitanik wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 03:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Seriously, I love Tyler, but why didn't he get this amount of shit that iNcontroL is getting for having been invited to Homestory Cup III? Sometimes you people can be really predictable. because this is thread abour incontrol if there will be thread about tyler he will get shit too. btw atleast tyler isnt trying to cover his lack of skill by being funny and cool guy in every sc2 show possible
No shit it's about iNcontroL, I'm talking about Homestory Cup III.
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The comments in this thread make me feel like no one actually read the interview ...
Good luck @ HSC4 iNcontrol. I hope you play up to the level you believe you can.
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On December 26 2011 02:40 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 02:36 Liight wrote:
This thread is going to be packed with bitter replys from underskilled diamond players who criticize incontrolls sc2 skill back and forth even tho it has nothing to do with the subject.
Why dont people bash day9 as much as Incontroll? Both of them do shitloads for the community and either are GSL level in skill, wich seems to be peoples main focus when a proplayer does anything at all here. Because Day9 isn't being invited into tournaments...? I don't think InControl deserved an invite but he's a passionate guy who's done a lot for the community so obviously hoping for him to do well.
Lol, you're a joke. If there's anyone in the SC2 scene that deserves a invite to a tournament like HSC 4, It's incontrol. Perhaps you did not watch HSC 3 and do not know of the atmosphere at these tournaments...??
Also, all of you people trying so hard discounting iNcontroL's passion, dedication, skill level, and motivation to improve, and even questioning his invite, are a special kind of sad.
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Geoff talks a big game, but he can't deliver, and I feel his hype is what is getting people disappointed in him.
Good luck to him though, and nice interview.
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incontrol telling people he understands the value in monitoring his behavior or words. you gotta be kidding me! this is the same guy who, on djwheat's stream in front of 10,000+ viewers after an MLG, simulated anal rape to SeleCT by making a ring with one hand and fisting it with the other.
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A perfect invite to HSC  Can't wait for him to sit in that couch and cast with other players. Goodluck in the tourney aswell Geoff!
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On December 26 2011 03:59 taitanik wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 03:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Seriously, I love Tyler, but why didn't he get this amount of shit that iNcontroL is getting for having been invited to Homestory Cup III? Sometimes you people can be really predictable. because this is thread abour incontrol if there will be thread about tyler he will get shit too. btw atleast tyler isnt trying to cover his lack of skill by being funny and cool guy in every sc2 show possible
I doubt incontrol's humour and behaviour has any correlation to level of skill. People like you are just one of the many who pick out little things to hate about pro players who put themselves out there for the fans.
Btw if results were an indication of "skill" , look at haypro at the MLG championship , taking games off top tier players like MVP and nestea , barely losing the last game in the series to MVP. I think I can say that nobody in the community except those who actually practices with haypro (maybe not even them) thought haypro could take out these players.
Anyway good luck to Incontrol for the HSC , loved the past few ones . Hopefully he'll jump on and cast some games .
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because this is thread abour incontrol if there will be thread about tyler he will get shit too. btw atleast tyler isnt trying to cover his lack of skill by being funny and cool guy in every sc2 show possible
Could you be any more cynical and jealous? Yeah, he's trying extra hard to make jokes and be cool, funny and sometimes witty.
Give me a break, he's being himself and surprise, surprise, he's a lot more likeable than you.
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Too many people are shitting on iNcontrol as if it'll matter
Rofl, the vocal minority sure is vocal. Should do something productive like start a choir before singing the hate on a player.
User was warned for this post
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On December 26 2011 06:11 kurrysauce wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 03:59 taitanik wrote:On December 26 2011 03:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Seriously, I love Tyler, but why didn't he get this amount of shit that iNcontroL is getting for having been invited to Homestory Cup III? Sometimes you people can be really predictable. because this is thread abour incontrol if there will be thread about tyler he will get shit too. btw atleast tyler isnt trying to cover his lack of skill by being funny and cool guy in every sc2 show possible I doubt incontrol's humour and behaviour has any correlation to level of skill. People like you are just one of the many who pick out little things to hate about pro players who put themselves out there for the fans. .
you do realise that people "put themselves out there" for their own selfish needs don't you? not saying that it is wrong but try not to be naive and make out incontrol to be some sort of martyr
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On December 26 2011 03:59 taitanik wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 03:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Seriously, I love Tyler, but why didn't he get this amount of shit that iNcontroL is getting for having been invited to Homestory Cup III? Sometimes you people can be really predictable. btw atleast tyler isnt trying to cover his lack of skill by being funny and cool guy in every sc2 show possible
incontrol is the first person to say he's been under performing
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