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eSahara adds female player MaddeLisk! - Page 19

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TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
January 05 2012 18:29 GMT
#361
100% publicity move, but hey this how the real world works. If she's serious about improving then GL to her.
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ReMiiX
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States338 Posts
January 05 2012 18:33 GMT
#362
Masters, Math Major, female... a winning combination. Its good to see the increase in female pros. I hope they perform well at events. I want to see her play Flo and Aphrodite.
GaTech CSL fighting!
kellymilkies
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore1393 Posts
January 05 2012 18:37 GMT
#363
Poor girl must be looking at this thread and thinking "What's going on?!"
Be the change you wish to see in the world ^-^V //
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
January 05 2012 18:41 GMT
#364
On January 06 2012 03:37 kellymilkies wrote:
Poor girl must be looking at this thread and thinking "What's going on?!"

A barely mid-masters player joining a high profile team like eSahara? I think it would be silly if she didn't expect at least a little negativity lol
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HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-05 18:57:13
January 05 2012 18:56 GMT
#365
Good to see more girls becoming accepting of progaming. (plus, she's a babe!!!!)

Featured stream plz!!!
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Befree
Profile Joined April 2010
695 Posts
January 05 2012 19:03 GMT
#366
For a moment, I'm going to grant the (baseless) assumption that she was picked for her gender. Even if this were so, why would this be so terrible? There exist female leagues. People watch these leagues. Why would a team not want to sponsor someone in these leagues? It completely accomplishes their goal of advertising their company/products. Where do you get this delusional idea that a team's sole goal is to sponsor the very best players for the very top tournaments?

What do you believe would be "right'? Should players who participate in the female tournaments often just continue to play without sponsorship? Should teams be like "no way, I'm not picking her! That'd be discrimination! I don't care about the audience that the sponsorship would get from sponsoring her! If there exists a male player better out there, we must get him! Who cares if he may do poorly in the tournaments he plays in and our sponsorship will be completely useless. He's better, and that is all that matters!"

If sponsorship worked purely by the way lots of people on here seem to think it should work, this site would likely not even exist. And the whole foreign scene would probably have never had much of a chance to grow anywhere close to what it is now. And now people are asking that we exclude people, that we have some sort of elitist system which doesn't allow for the growth of any new pro player bases? Fucking hypocrites.

Good luck to eSahara and Maddelisk . I'm always so impressed with math PhD's, I have to imagine someone with a mind for that will be very successful at Starcraft. eSahara looks to have a pretty strong roster. I'm sure we'll be seeing lots from them.
Venomsflame
Profile Joined February 2011
United States613 Posts
January 05 2012 19:13 GMT
#367
On January 06 2012 00:57 felisconcolori wrote:
Congrats to MaddeLisk - hope eSahara treats you well and that they help you up your game and get you into some good tournaments. I have to say, I also have reservations on the picture they used and how it was cropped (I imagine there's a really nice dress outside the picture) but aside from that... You're masters, you're also masters while getting a PhD in Mathematics, and you're Swedish. Without falling completely to white-knight mode, you're better than me and I hope to hear about your rise in the competitive scene. Also, please post amazing analysis and scholarly essays on TL using that combined SC2/Math background. I'm sure there's things that could benefit from some rigorous mathematical analysis.

eSahara - nice pickup, but did you have to emphasize the gender aspect so heavily in your announcement?


It's essentially the only reason they signed her. Of course they should emphasize the gender aspect. They went LOOKING for a girl player and she was the best they found.
UmiNotsuki
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States633 Posts
January 05 2012 19:16 GMT
#368
On January 06 2012 04:03 Befree wrote:
For a moment, I'm going to grant the (baseless) assumption that she was picked for her gender. Even if this were so, why would this be so terrible? There exist female leagues. People watch these leagues. Why would a team not want to sponsor someone in these leagues? It completely accomplishes their goal of advertising their company/products. Where do you get this delusional idea that a team's sole goal is to sponsor the very best players for the very top tournaments?

What do you believe would be "right'? Should players who participate in the female tournaments often just continue to play without sponsorship? Should teams be like "no way, I'm not picking her! That'd be discrimination! I don't care about the audience that the sponsorship would get from sponsoring her! If there exists a male player better out there, we must get him! Who cares if he may do poorly in the tournaments he plays in and our sponsorship will be completely useless. He's better, and that is all that matters!"

If sponsorship worked purely by the way lots of people on here seem to think it should work, this site would likely not even exist. And the whole foreign scene would probably have never had much of a chance to grow anywhere close to what it is now. And now people are asking that we exclude people, that we have some sort of elitist system which doesn't allow for the growth of any new pro player bases? Fucking hypocrites.

Good luck to eSahara and Maddelisk . I'm always so impressed with math PhD's, I have to imagine someone with a mind for that will be very successful at Starcraft. eSahara looks to have a pretty strong roster. I'm sure we'll be seeing lots from them.


Think I have to agree here. SC2 teams are businesses, they have to make money. The correct decision to maximize economic benefit isn't always picking up the absolute best player they can find. In this case, it was most likely picking up the best combination of attractiveness and skill to maximize publicity (and no publicity is bad publicity) and to have a fighting chance in the growing number of female-only competitions.

If eSahara sends in MaddeLisk for an all girls tournament and she ends up winning it (and honestly, she's not so terrible that I'd call that out of the question!) then that's a huge gain for the team as a whole. Even if she does end up just being eye-candy, though it would be a shame, no one can blame eSahara for picking her up just for the extra publicity. Honestly, look at this thread: 19 pages and counting. This new recruit is already paying off, in my opinion.
UmiNotsuki.111 (NA), UNTReborn.932 (EU), UmiNotsuki (iCCup) -- You see that text I wrote above this? I'll betcha $5 that you disagree :D
Deletrious
Profile Joined December 2007
United States458 Posts
January 05 2012 19:23 GMT
#369
There are female tourneys, of course there will be females on teams. Arguments about her relative skill to men are irrelevant and smack of sexism.

Congratulations to you MaddeLisk!
Bow before the Dongjwa.
SnuggleZhenya
Profile Joined July 2010
596 Posts
January 05 2012 19:25 GMT
#370
To anyone getting upset over this: When you are a more profitable player for this team to pick up, then maybe you can say something.
You'll never get better being an angry nerd sitting alone in your room.
TiTanIum_
Profile Joined August 2011
Brazil1335 Posts
January 05 2012 19:27 GMT
#371
eSahara bringing the noise! Gratz MaddeLisk!
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
January 05 2012 19:28 GMT
#372
Oooh Masters.
Dear Sixsmith...
kirdie
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany221 Posts
January 05 2012 19:44 GMT
#373
Haha they should post pictures like that for all new players from now on, imagine a half naked team picture :-)
Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
January 05 2012 20:05 GMT
#374
Master league skill range is so wide. The differense between top and bottom master is like the differense between silver and diamond. And for the record maddelisk is really low masters.

Good luck with your new team and hope you can start practice more and get to grandmasters!
NaNiwa | Innovation | Flash | DeMuslim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
DDie
Profile Joined April 2010
Brazil2369 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-05 20:53:14
January 05 2012 20:52 GMT
#375
On January 06 2012 04:25 SnuggleZhenya wrote:
To anyone getting upset over this: When you are a more profitable player for this team to pick up, then maybe you can say something.



Ridiculous argument, so football/basket/hockey fans cant get upset with ''bad'' pick-ups unless they themselves are more profitable aswell? Lol, good logic, bro.



This pickup is a publicity move, thats a fact, and guess what there is nothing wrong with that.
''Television! Teacher, mother, secret lover.''
Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
January 05 2012 21:05 GMT
#376
Judging why Maddes Facebook page she can make a rather nice human flag. Great strength!
NaNiwa | Innovation | Flash | DeMuslim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
-Secret-
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom233 Posts
January 05 2012 21:15 GMT
#377
I have a question and i dont mean to offend anyone in any way at all, but why is this becoming a trend? every team getting one female player? is it real talent? or is it a marketing scheme or something to show equality in rights of sexes etc
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
January 05 2012 21:26 GMT
#378
On December 14 2011 18:23 sirachman wrote:
Are only attractive girls able to be good at Starcraft? I just find it hard to believe that every female to be signed by a team is. If this is just a coincidence that is fine. However if either teams only recruit women if they are attractive, or teams recruit people simply because they are then that is bad for eSports.

I've got a newsflash from the real world for you: looks matter. A lot.
FreeTossCZComentary
Profile Joined September 2011
Czech Republic143 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-05 22:12:49
January 05 2012 22:12 GMT
#379
On January 06 2012 04:23 Deletrious wrote:
There are female tourneys, of course there will be females on teams. Arguments about her relative skill to men are irrelevant and smack of sexism.


Mate, wake up. If she is worse than... lets say Naama (and everyone in that team) and I say so, your opinion is I am sexist? That is just retarded. If someone is not as good at something, than someone other, he/she is just worse. It have nothing to do with sexism. I understand some people are raging/confused, even though I find it pointless. There are not that many girls/women playing SC2, so its logical elite girls aren't as good as elite guys, its just basic statistics. And when there are female tornaments, it is logical female-players enter pro scene, even though not being as good as male-elites.

About female SC2 competitions/tournaments... I dont know what to think about it... I dont find it negative nor possitive... I wish MaddeLisk luck, and also less stress when being interviewed, because anyone who thinks that any Diamond + can say thing like
"My favourite strategy, well I like to play mass lings vs terran or mass muta vs ptotoss. But I'm not sure I have a favourite one.."
meaning it, is just... dumb. She probably was just stressed, thats why she said something like it, or at least I think so.
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willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
January 05 2012 22:46 GMT
#380
On January 06 2012 04:23 Deletrious wrote:
There are female tourneys, of course there will be females on teams. Arguments about her relative skill to men are irrelevant and smack of sexism.

Congratulations to you MaddeLisk!


Actually, you smack of sexism. You are advocating that a man and woman should never be compared (i.e. segregating based on sex).

Back on topic: Congratulations to you MaddeLisk!
Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!
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