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On December 08 2011 18:32 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 18:30 Kiarip wrote:On December 08 2011 17:50 iNcontroL wrote:
Yeah! IdrA is a PR nightmare! We are really having a tough time getting fans to rally to him...
O_O So basically you're saying that manners really don't matter, and fans will rally as long as the player is good? ok cool, what was your point about avilo? lol I'm glad you asked.. I was pointing out the irony of hiring a PR manager alongside a guy who is known to be a problem child in the manner department. If you don't find the humor in that I would suggest you buy a calvin in hobbes book or something.
I get it... but couldn't you say the same about just about any ladder player that gets picked up?No matter who's stream I watch there's always trash talk and BM on ladder by pretty much every player.
I don't think Avilo has a reputation of being BM at lans or even online tourneys.
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Contrary to popular belief all of the "pros" are not "good mannered" angels 100% of the time, including yourself incontrol who regularly finds it convenient to be a "good boy" when promoting yourself, and then justifies shit talking other players (your posts in this thread an example) + being a hypocrit as all "funs and jokes and 'humor'." You seem to do that quite often...^_^
I do not pretend or put up the facade that i am 100% "good mannered" as I am human and I do bad manner/get frustrated at times with the game as I improve + hit walls and try to get over them. So yes, I do talk shit sometimes all in good fun and to let off steam  although i'm glad you felt the need to come into this thread and try to bring me down somehow instead of a "congrats" or simply better yet, saying nothing.
Though, you seem to be a follower of me for sometime now on TL, but shouldn't you be putting these posting efforts towards more practice the EG house that EG has so graciously set up for you to play in? I remember our last TvPs on ladder...i won them...and to think i'm just a simple lowly ladder warrior with zero practice partners on the NA server, who at the time brainstorms strategies with no one but myself...you would think someone in a position such as yourself with such great talent at your disposal would improve at at much quicker rate...anyways...sorry this thread wasn't about you incontrol...i joined a team...yeah...thanks for the support!
I'm happy i'm on a team now and I will get good practice with LGN guys and I plan to keep improving as much as possible and I will be streaming a hell of a lot as well like I currently have been thanks to people that watch/support me, and I hope I can be an asset to LGN as well !
On December 08 2011 13:48 desRow wrote:
welcome aboard bro ^_ ^
thanks ! sup ^_^!
p.s. I always find it intriguing when there's a TL topic "interesting moderation" occurs...
On December 08 2011 13:34 m3rciless wrote:
Pretty miserable pickup. Reverse star power + already plays all the time and still no results. What attracted this team to this player?
On December 08 2011 13:37 RastaMonsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 13:34 m3rciless wrote:
Pretty miserable pickup. Reverse star power + already plays all the time and still no results. What attracted this team to this player? Is this necessary? Avilo is a great pickup and I'm glad he's finally getting a shot, please gtfo User was temp banned for this post.
The guy flaming me for no reason is still here, and a person supporting someone getting picked up by a team + telling a flamer off got banned...lol...-_-
On December 08 2011 14:04 SKTerran.117 wrote:
avilo #1
haters gonna hate
indeed
On December 08 2011 14:56 mbr2321 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 14:36 FreshVegetables wrote:Congrats, I don't really understand why people hating on Avilo. Sure he hasnt achieved much, but who knows maybe he'll start to show results if he's provided with a good practice environment  http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=171331This is why I don't like Avilo. He's BM. I don't respect him as a player, nor as a person, and I've seen zero evidence that he's ever changed.
Eh, changed from what? What you linked was my opinion as an observer/analyst of the game at that time. Just because my thoughts were contrary to the sheep herd at that time doesn't mean i was "bm." A few people seem to have this notion that if you "disagree" with popular opinion you are "bm" or should be flamed. It's OK for people to disagree with others if there is an argument to be made like the one you linked there. More people should post their thoughts instead of sugar coating them or taking what the current popular pro says as the "truth" hope I can change your mind and any other hater about me in the future !
On December 08 2011 17:04 Hyren wrote:
Sure he's bm. If not being bm was a requirement we would have a lot of teamless pros... anyway his stream is actually a lot of fun to watch and one of the most informative. He explains everything he does and I've learned a lot from watching him.
thx i appreciate it!
+ Show Spoiler +Shoutout to my biggest fan, EGincontrol
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Grats i guess, Good luck.~
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On December 08 2011 13:44 laharl23 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 13:41 blade55555 wrote:On December 08 2011 13:38 laharl23 wrote:On December 08 2011 13:37 RastaMonsta wrote:On December 08 2011 13:34 m3rciless wrote:
Pretty miserable pickup. Reverse star power + already plays all the time and still no results. What attracted this team to this player? Is this necessary? Avilo is a great pickup and I'm glad he's finally getting a shot, please gtfo obviously you've never played him and experienced how much of an asshole he is lol lol has he messaged you after beating you saying gg? He has done that on the occasion he beats me with a nice cheese build :D. But grats to them I guess even though I have no idea who doji is but I recognize mystic/chita from korean ladder ^^. no lol he goes on and on about how protoss is imbalanced and how i should be in a mental hospital for how bad i am, and many many other things. not to mention all he ever does is one base all ins anyway.
On the contrary, each of his games last an hour and it's early game for avilo until 20 minute mark.
But it's a fact that avilo is notorious for his whining skills rather than his gameplay (bitching about TvZ when Terrans had like 85% winrate in the matchup takes some pretty gosu whining skills).
It's also pretty funny that they acquired a new PR guy along with him.
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Despite what anyone thinks, most of the players I see in the lineup are really hardworking guys and there's no doubt in my mind that we'll start seeing results after a few months of dedicated practice.
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On December 08 2011 20:13 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 13:44 laharl23 wrote:On December 08 2011 13:41 blade55555 wrote:On December 08 2011 13:38 laharl23 wrote:On December 08 2011 13:37 RastaMonsta wrote:On December 08 2011 13:34 m3rciless wrote:
Pretty miserable pickup. Reverse star power + already plays all the time and still no results. What attracted this team to this player? Is this necessary? Avilo is a great pickup and I'm glad he's finally getting a shot, please gtfo obviously you've never played him and experienced how much of an asshole he is lol lol has he messaged you after beating you saying gg? He has done that on the occasion he beats me with a nice cheese build :D. But grats to them I guess even though I have no idea who doji is but I recognize mystic/chita from korean ladder ^^. no lol he goes on and on about how protoss is imbalanced and how i should be in a mental hospital for how bad i am, and many many other things. not to mention all he ever does is one base all ins anyway. On the contrary, each of his games last an hour and it's early game for avilo until 20 minute mark. But it's a fact that avilo is notorious for his whining skills rather than his gameplay (bitching about TvZ when Terrans had like 85% winrate in the matchup takes some pretty gosu whining skills). It's also pretty funny that they acquired a new PR guy along with him.
I like that there's random people that think i "all-in" and then there's random people that think i play turtle macro style. For me as a player that is great that other players cannot assume i only play 1 way and prepare for it the truth is I play a lot of different styles / builds.
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Over the years, I've had my slew of favourite streamers on TL. But Recently, Avilo has topped my list and every time he streams, I watch. To everyone saying he is boring, please take the time to check out his stream, as you will see that he experiments like CRAZY! I got some ideas from him to do Sky TvP, and I now use his 3 hellion drop into cloak banshee opening quite often as well. I am merely scraping the surface of the amount of cleverness Avilo displays during his screen-time.
He's hilarious, creative, interactive, and human. Avilo, I congratulate you.
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On December 08 2011 20:45 Ewic wrote:
Over the years, I've had my slew of favourite streamers on TL. But Recently, Avilo has topped my list and every time he streams, I watch. To everyone saying he is boring, please take the time to check out his stream, as you will see that he experiments like CRAZY! I got some ideas from him to do Sky TvP, and I now use his 3 hellion drop into cloak banshee opening quite often as well. I am merely scraping the surface of the amount of cleverness Avilo displays during his screen-time.
He's hilarious, creative, interactive, and human. Avilo, I congratulate you.
However, If you play Protoss, stay away from the stream. Possibly if you are Zerg, too, if you're very easily offended.
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Calling legion a "pro team" is a huge stretch no matter how great your imagination. Not to flame or anything, but they're all ladder players and I see no potential for anything more to come of it. Oh well, if being in a clan or whatever makes people feel more successful, that's more people playing the game I suppose . As far as avilo is concerned, midget or not, he's pretty much just a very gimmicky player. I haven't heard of him winning a BoX at any major event or anything like that. Maybe one of those players people know about only through watching streams or something? Ladder and streams is important for a lot of people, even more so than actual results and money. They just want to be recognized for playing a lot and if you can't master the game, you can always play gimmicky and get some TL kids to watch you.
Not all in or whatever, just gimmicky . . . I wish you luck and I hope you can someday break through and become a top player, but you really need to work on beating good players consistently if you want to make it far in tournaments.
I would be interested, however, to see avilo make some VoDs and commentate a few of his games for us and post them up so we can hear him talking about what he's thinking about. Would that be possible? I think the community would enjoy that.
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Man like almost the whole team HaS tO CaPtIaLiZe tHeIr NaMeS like that.
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Well it's not a "team" in the sense of a "pro team", it's more like a battle.net clan with a website.
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The first time I saw avilo stream he did an 11 11 rax opener against zerg and built like 3 - 4 bunkers while playing the "Bob The Builder". It was hilarious and I have checked in on his stream ever since. He is right up there with ThisIsJimmy as guys I hope do well. There is not a lot of NA terrans playing at a high level and these guys have potential.
Congrats avilo. Haters gonna hate.
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Funny to see desrow and avilo on the same team. Both are not-so-sympathetic characters in my book. But gl to the team I guess.
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Avilo is like that guy who calls matt damon/drew barrymore but he can't cheat on his other monitor because his scream mask limits vision so he isn't quite a deezer. And no, I'm not trying to say avilo cheats.
This decision was made in an attempt to try and market to the thousands of trolls who love hearing their own closeted bigotry expressed by raging mad teenagers and young adults.
People should try to copy idra and destiny because that's where the money is, good luck.
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I hope I never become good enough at this game to join a pro team because all that would happen is I would get a topic full of people stating why I'm bad and why it's a terrible pickup by a terrible team 
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On December 08 2011 22:24 drooL wrote:
Funny to see desrow and avilo on the same team. Both are not-so-sympathetic characters in my book. But gl to the team I guess.
Desrow gets more shit than he deserves. He is overweight so people find it easy to attack him. He comes on the forums a lot to defend himself and sometimes comes away looking bad because he sometimes tries to fight fire with fire. But his motivation for this game really can't be questioned.
Avilo on the other hand, I'm inclined to agree a bit. He is a very talented player, but 95% of the PR I see from him is bitching about TvP. It just comes across as petty in my opinion. I'm aware that their are other professional gamers that whine about balance a lot (Idra for an easy example) but someone like Idra is already a brand and can pretty much do what he wants. Avilo isn't.
I personally don't have a problem with people being BM in games, I think it adds another element to the game that is enjoyable for the spectator. So, in my opinion, that's a non-issue. If I were a team picking up new players, I would want someone whos main goal was to be the best player they could be, not someone whos priorities are complaining about a matchup on the forums. Having said that, I think the talent is there, he just needs a bit of a different mindset in order for this to be successful.
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Good luck to any team that picks up Desrow and Avilo.
No really, good luck, you will need it.
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On December 08 2011 23:34 Mash2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 22:24 drooL wrote:
Funny to see desrow and avilo on the same team. Both are not-so-sympathetic characters in my book. But gl to the team I guess. Desrow gets more shit than he deserves. He is overweight so people find it easy to attack him. He comes on the forums a lot to defend himself and sometimes comes away looking bad because he sometimes tries to fight fire with fire. But his motivation for this game really can't be questioned. Avilo on the other hand, I'm inclined to agree a bit. He is a very talented player, but 95% of the PR I see from him is bitching about TvP. It just comes across as petty in my opinion. I'm aware that their are other professional gamers that whine about balance a lot (Idra for an easy example) but someone like Idra is already a brand and can pretty much do what he wants. Avilo isn't. I personally don't have a problem with people being BM in games, I think it adds another element to the game that is enjoyable for the spectator. So, in my opinion, that's a non-issue. If I were a team picking up new players, I would want someone whos main goal was to be the best player they could be, not someone whos priorities are complaining about a matchup on the forums. Having said that, I think the talent is there, he just needs a bit of a different mindset in order for this to be successful.
Ya, it would be amazing to have super bm in chess! IMAGINE spitting in your opponents face... FUCK CHESS WOULD BE AWESOME!
ps :Grats to LGN and Avilo
PPS: AND DOJI! SORRY!
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On December 08 2011 23:34 Mash2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 22:24 drooL wrote:
Funny to see desrow and avilo on the same team. Both are not-so-sympathetic characters in my book. But gl to the team I guess. Desrow gets more shit than he deserves. He is overweight so people find it easy to attack him. He comes on the forums a lot to defend himself and sometimes comes away looking bad because he sometimes tries to fight fire with fire. But his motivation for this game really can't be questioned. Avilo on the other hand, I'm inclined to agree a bit. He is a very talented player, but 95% of the PR I see from him is bitching about TvP. It just comes across as petty in my opinion. I'm aware that their are other professional gamers that whine about balance a lot (Idra for an easy example) but someone like Idra is already a brand and can pretty much do what he wants. Avilo isn't. I personally don't have a problem with people being BM in games, I think it adds another element to the game that is enjoyable for the spectator. So, in my opinion, that's a non-issue. If I were a team picking up new players, I would want someone whos main goal was to be the best player they could be, not someone whos priorities are complaining about a matchup on the forums. Having said that, I think the talent is there, he just needs a bit of a different mindset in order for this to be successful.
completely agreed
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Awesome pick up for team Legion! It's good to see they are recruiting more players such as desRow and Avilo! GL to both avilo and Doji
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