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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On December 08 2011 18:07 m3rciless wrote: IdrA pulls literally thousands of times more viewers to his stream than Avilo. Hes also made literally thousands of times more in prize money. I'm sure even you can think of a few more reasons why it might be beneficial to have idrA on your team and not Avilo. Just thought I'd point out that your points about stream viewers and money are completely irrelevant to zombie's argument concerning manner. Incontrol was criticizing Avilo for manner only, not for manner combined with low stream viewership and prize winnings. It's entirely plausible that EG would have a contingency plan for bad manner from Idra, therefore the comparison of Idra to the Avilo pickup is a relevant one. | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
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spbelky
United States623 Posts
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
On December 08 2011 23:34 Mash2 wrote: Desrow gets more shit than he deserves. He is overweight so people find it easy to attack him. He comes on the forums a lot to defend himself and sometimes comes away looking bad because he sometimes tries to fight fire with fire. But his motivation for this game really can't be questioned. Avilo on the other hand, I'm inclined to agree a bit. He is a very talented player, but 95% of the PR I see from him is bitching about TvP. It just comes across as petty in my opinion. I'm aware that their are other professional gamers that whine about balance a lot (Idra for an easy example) but someone like Idra is already a brand and can pretty much do what he wants. Avilo isn't. I personally don't have a problem with people being BM in games, I think it adds another element to the game that is enjoyable for the spectator. So, in my opinion, that's a non-issue. If I were a team picking up new players, I would want someone whos main goal was to be the best player they could be, not someone whos priorities are complaining about a matchup on the forums. Having said that, I think the talent is there, he just needs a bit of a different mindset in order for this to be successful. Desrow definitely isn't a bad player and it's pretty cool how much he streams etc., but that doesn't change the fact that his defensiveness on the forums and a few incidents that got public (weird team changes, weird coaching habits) just comes across kinda douchey. I'm just not enjoying his personality. | ||
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Tortious_Tortoise
United States944 Posts
On December 08 2011 19:55 avilo wrote: Eh, changed from what? What you linked was my opinion as an observer/analyst of the game at that time. Just because my thoughts were contrary to the sheep herd at that time doesn't mean i was "bm." A few people seem to have this notion that if you "disagree" with popular opinion you are "bm" or should be flamed. It's OK for people to disagree with others if there is an argument to be made like the one you linked there. More people should post their thoughts instead of sugar coating them or taking what the current popular pro says as the "truth"  hope I can change your mind and any other hater about me in the future !I want to take this apart piece by piece. Changed from what? Back in early retail, you were a conceited player who wasn't very good. You haven't changed since then. Your thoughts were contrary to the sheep herd? I don't care that you had a differing opinion-- people have differing opinions, that's just life. What made me disrespect you was that your opinion was not only just incorrect, it was a defeatist attitude towards an ever-changing game. Arguing that there's only one way to win a MU hemorrhages ingenuity and stops the growth of the game. Although the saying wasn't popular back then, you were killing eSports. Thank God people didn't take you seriously, or else Terrans wouldn't have discovered the power of late-game TvZ. People don't sugar coat their ideas, nor do they blindly accept what professionals say is the truth. There is value to what professional players say, usually, but there are a lot of things they say that I think are way off. My problem is that there are people who like you, avilo, and, in doing so, take your opinion more highly than others. When you start talking about imbalance, it convinces people that there is imbalance and it makes the game less fun-- especially since it isn't true. EDIT: toned it down a little | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On December 09 2011 01:25 mbr2321 wrote: I want to take this apart piece by piece. Changed from what? Back in early retail, you were a conceited player who wasn't very good. You haven't changed since then. Your thoughts were contrary to the sheep herd? I don't care that you had a differing opinion-- people have differing opinions, that's just life. What made me disrespect you was that your opinion was not only just incorrect, it was a defeatist attitude towards an ever-changing game. Arguing that there's only one way to win a MU hemorrhages ingenuity and stops the growth of the game. Although the saying wasn't popular back then, you were killing eSports. Thank God people didn't take you seriously, or else Terrans wouldn't have discovered the power of late-game TvZ. People don't sugar coat their ideas, nor do they blindly accept what professionals say is the truth. There is value to what professional players say, usually, but there are a lot of things they say that I think are way off. My problem is that there are people who like you, avilo, and, in doing so, take your opinion more highly than others. When you start talking about imbalance, it convinces people that there is imbalance and it makes the game less fun-- especially since it isn't true. EDIT: toned it down a little Funny how you actually believe Avilo is hurting esports. You do realize that the reason that saying gets made fun of is because of how stupid it is, right? It's when people take something relatively minor and assume it has broad implications for "esports." Do you really think Avilo was stifling TvZ innovation through his word? No - he doesn't have a big enough audience and in any case people can think for themselves, as you even said in your post. | ||
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Hoodlum
United States350 Posts
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
Plenty of pro players started this way, no need for the hate | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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Circos
United Kingdom115 Posts
I fucking loved that guy. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On December 08 2011 13:37 RastaMonsta wrote: Is this necessary? Avilo is a great pickup and I'm glad he's finally getting a shot, please gtfo User was temp banned for this post. wat? why did this guy get temp banned for this and not the guy he quoted? | ||
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Hyren
United States817 Posts
On December 08 2011 21:38 Zlasher wrote: Man like almost the whole team HaS tO CaPtIaLiZe tHeIr NaMeS like that. from Team LgN pro Starcraft II team announcement thread: On November 08 2011 05:10 Hyren wrote: So much alternating upper and lowering case in the roster qq I'm glad I'm not the only who's noticed xP | ||
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HardCorey
United States709 Posts
We need more good terrans up there, especially now that TLO has switched ;_; | ||
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SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
On December 09 2011 03:10 HardCorey wrote: Avilo for featured stream list! :D GoGoGo TL admins. We need more good terrans up there, especially now that TLO has switched ;_; ...Bomber streams now. That should be more than enough. | ||
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-SuZuMi-
Belgium6 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:46 Circos wrote: Is this the same Doji from Dark Alley of Guild Wars by any chance? I fucking loved that guy. Nope, not the same person. I don't really know Avilo and his stream that well, but I'm sure that if the BMing gets bad TeamLgN will help him with that. I mean, surely the concept of teams does not only exist to make money, but to help the players improve in any ways necessary. That aside, congratulations and good luck to Avilo and Doji, expecting some great work from the both of them. | ||
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DjRetro
Chile309 Posts
On December 09 2011 03:10 HardCorey wrote: Avilo for featured stream list! :D GoGoGo TL admins. We need more good terrans up there, especially now that TLO has switched ;_; This!!! TL staff, please. | ||
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dakinaw
United States11 Posts
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On December 08 2011 17:50 iNcontroL wrote: Yeah! IdrA is a PR nightmare! We are really having a tough time getting fans to rally to him... O_O No offense to avilo but he just doesn't have the skills to back it up like IdrA does. Both are controversial the way they act on ladder. It's only natural people are giving us shit for picking him up. Give him the time to become a star player (if that ever happens) and people will like him for his sense of humor and his BM just like people like Greg. Whether you like Avilo or not, thanks for giving us your feedback and I hope everyone has a great holiday season =) | ||
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MuK_x
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and hhahahahahahaha. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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