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ThiA
Profile Joined December 2011
1 Post
December 08 2011 14:53 GMT
#81
Congrats Doji, and thanks for your shout! But you wrote my name wrong :'(
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 15:00:32
December 08 2011 14:59 GMT
#82
On December 08 2011 18:07 m3rciless wrote:
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On December 08 2011 17:56 Zombie_Velociraptor wrote:
That is precisely my point. You have a player who is constantly BM on your team, not just while streaming his ladder games or whatever, but also in tournament matches, yet you're trying to ridicule a team for picking a BM player up.



IdrA pulls literally thousands of times more viewers to his stream than Avilo. Hes also made literally thousands of times more in prize money. I'm sure even you can think of a few more reasons why it might be beneficial to have idrA on your team and not Avilo.



Just thought I'd point out that your points about stream viewers and money are completely irrelevant to zombie's argument concerning manner. Incontrol was criticizing Avilo for manner only, not for manner combined with low stream viewership and prize winnings. It's entirely plausible that EG would have a contingency plan for bad manner from Idra, therefore the comparison of Idra to the Avilo pickup is a relevant one.
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
December 08 2011 15:08 GMT
#83
All I remember of avilo are his blog posts about how Zergs were over powered when Terran winrates were quite high. I assume he was just trolling Zerg players.
spbelky
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States623 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 21:45:14
December 08 2011 15:49 GMT
#84
double post
drooL
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2108 Posts
December 08 2011 15:59 GMT
#85
On December 08 2011 23:34 Mash2 wrote:
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On December 08 2011 22:24 drooL wrote:
Funny to see desrow and avilo on the same team. Both are not-so-sympathetic characters in my book. But gl to the team I guess.


Desrow gets more shit than he deserves. He is overweight so people find it easy to attack him. He comes on the forums a lot to defend himself and sometimes comes away looking bad because he sometimes tries to fight fire with fire. But his motivation for this game really can't be questioned.

Avilo on the other hand, I'm inclined to agree a bit. He is a very talented player, but 95% of the PR I see from him is bitching about TvP. It just comes across as petty in my opinion. I'm aware that their are other professional gamers that whine about balance a lot (Idra for an easy example) but someone like Idra is already a brand and can pretty much do what he wants. Avilo isn't.

I personally don't have a problem with people being BM in games, I think it adds another element to the game that is enjoyable for the spectator. So, in my opinion, that's a non-issue. If I were a team picking up new players, I would want someone whos main goal was to be the best player they could be, not someone whos priorities are complaining about a matchup on the forums. Having said that, I think the talent is there, he just needs a bit of a different mindset in order for this to be successful.


Desrow definitely isn't a bad player and it's pretty cool how much he streams etc., but that doesn't change the fact that his defensiveness on the forums and a few incidents that got public (weird team changes, weird coaching habits) just comes across kinda douchey. I'm just not enjoying his personality.
@nowSimon
Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 16:27:32
December 08 2011 16:25 GMT
#86
On December 08 2011 19:55 avilo wrote:
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On December 08 2011 14:56 mbr2321 wrote:
On December 08 2011 14:36 FreshVegetables wrote:
Congrats, I don't really understand why people hating on Avilo. Sure he hasnt achieved much, but who knows maybe he'll start to show results if he's provided with a good practice environment


http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=171331

This is why I don't like Avilo. He's BM. I don't respect him as a player, nor as a person, and I've seen zero evidence that he's ever changed.


Eh, changed from what? What you linked was my opinion as an observer/analyst of the game at that time. Just because my thoughts were contrary to the sheep herd at that time doesn't mean i was "bm." A few people seem to have this notion that if you "disagree" with popular opinion you are "bm" or should be flamed. It's OK for people to disagree with others if there is an argument to be made like the one you linked there. More people should post their thoughts instead of sugar coating them or taking what the current popular pro says as the "truth" hope I can change your mind and any other hater about me in the future !



I want to take this apart piece by piece. Changed from what? Back in early retail, you were a conceited player who wasn't very good. You haven't changed since then.

Your thoughts were contrary to the sheep herd? I don't care that you had a differing opinion-- people have differing opinions, that's just life. What made me disrespect you was that your opinion was not only just incorrect, it was a defeatist attitude towards an ever-changing game. Arguing that there's only one way to win a MU hemorrhages ingenuity and stops the growth of the game. Although the saying wasn't popular back then, you were killing eSports. Thank God people didn't take you seriously, or else Terrans wouldn't have discovered the power of late-game TvZ.

People don't sugar coat their ideas, nor do they blindly accept what professionals say is the truth. There is value to what professional players say, usually, but there are a lot of things they say that I think are way off. My problem is that there are people who like you, avilo, and, in doing so, take your opinion more highly than others. When you start talking about imbalance, it convinces people that there is imbalance and it makes the game less fun-- especially since it isn't true.

EDIT: toned it down a little
Treating eSports as a social science since 2011; Credo: "The system is never wrong"-- Day9 Daily #400 Part 3
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 17:15:30
December 08 2011 17:14 GMT
#87
On December 09 2011 01:25 mbr2321 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 19:55 avilo wrote:
On December 08 2011 14:56 mbr2321 wrote:
On December 08 2011 14:36 FreshVegetables wrote:
Congrats, I don't really understand why people hating on Avilo. Sure he hasnt achieved much, but who knows maybe he'll start to show results if he's provided with a good practice environment


http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=171331

This is why I don't like Avilo. He's BM. I don't respect him as a player, nor as a person, and I've seen zero evidence that he's ever changed.


Eh, changed from what? What you linked was my opinion as an observer/analyst of the game at that time. Just because my thoughts were contrary to the sheep herd at that time doesn't mean i was "bm." A few people seem to have this notion that if you "disagree" with popular opinion you are "bm" or should be flamed. It's OK for people to disagree with others if there is an argument to be made like the one you linked there. More people should post their thoughts instead of sugar coating them or taking what the current popular pro says as the "truth" hope I can change your mind and any other hater about me in the future !



I want to take this apart piece by piece. Changed from what? Back in early retail, you were a conceited player who wasn't very good. You haven't changed since then.

Your thoughts were contrary to the sheep herd? I don't care that you had a differing opinion-- people have differing opinions, that's just life. What made me disrespect you was that your opinion was not only just incorrect, it was a defeatist attitude towards an ever-changing game. Arguing that there's only one way to win a MU hemorrhages ingenuity and stops the growth of the game. Although the saying wasn't popular back then, you were killing eSports. Thank God people didn't take you seriously, or else Terrans wouldn't have discovered the power of late-game TvZ.

People don't sugar coat their ideas, nor do they blindly accept what professionals say is the truth. There is value to what professional players say, usually, but there are a lot of things they say that I think are way off. My problem is that there are people who like you, avilo, and, in doing so, take your opinion more highly than others. When you start talking about imbalance, it convinces people that there is imbalance and it makes the game less fun-- especially since it isn't true.

EDIT: toned it down a little



Funny how you actually believe Avilo is hurting esports. You do realize that the reason that saying gets made fun of is because of how stupid it is, right? It's when people take something relatively minor and assume it has broad implications for "esports." Do you really think Avilo was stifling TvZ innovation through his word? No - he doesn't have a big enough audience and in any case people can think for themselves, as you even said in your post.
Hoodlum
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States350 Posts
December 08 2011 17:20 GMT
#88
Avilo certainly isn't the worst player on this team so why make a fuss. No disrespect to LGN, I think ANYONE deserves a chance to make it if they practice hard enough. Destiny is on a pro team and that dude hasn't shown ANY results other then ladder success. I hope anyone who makes it in SC2 the best of luck. Hard work and opportunity is all it takes... GL HF GG
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iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 17:23:22
December 08 2011 17:22 GMT
#89
last time I check people are picked up from teams not just for their solo career records, but that people see them having the potential to do well.

Plenty of pro players started this way, no need for the hate
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
December 08 2011 17:44 GMT
#90
Lolololol
Circos
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom115 Posts
December 08 2011 17:46 GMT
#91
Is this the same Doji from Dark Alley of Guild Wars by any chance?

I fucking loved that guy.
I saw the angel within the marble, and I carved until it was free.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
December 08 2011 17:50 GMT
#92
On December 08 2011 13:37 RastaMonsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 13:34 m3rciless wrote:
Pretty miserable pickup. Reverse star power + already plays all the time and still no results. What attracted this team to this player?

Is this necessary? Avilo is a great pickup and I'm glad he's finally getting a shot, please gtfo

User was temp banned for this post.

wat? why did this guy get temp banned for this and not the guy he quoted?
Hyren
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 18:09:19
December 08 2011 18:08 GMT
#93
On December 08 2011 21:38 Zlasher wrote:
Man like almost the whole team HaS tO CaPtIaLiZe tHeIr NaMeS like that.


from Team LgN pro Starcraft II team announcement thread:
On November 08 2011 05:10 Hyren wrote:
So much alternating upper and lowering case in the roster qq


I'm glad I'm not the only who's noticed xP
Power-tripping mod for Trump's stream
HardCorey
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States709 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 18:11:05
December 08 2011 18:10 GMT
#94
Avilo for featured stream list! :D GoGoGo TL admins.

We need more good terrans up there, especially now that TLO has switched ;_;
Don't Worry, Be Happy.
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
December 08 2011 18:15 GMT
#95
On December 09 2011 03:10 HardCorey wrote:
Avilo for featured stream list! :D GoGoGo TL admins.

We need more good terrans up there, especially now that TLO has switched ;_;



...Bomber streams now.

That should be more than enough.
-SuZuMi-
Profile Joined December 2011
Belgium6 Posts
December 08 2011 18:33 GMT
#96
On December 09 2011 02:46 Circos wrote:
Is this the same Doji from Dark Alley of Guild Wars by any chance?

I fucking loved that guy.


Nope, not the same person.

I don't really know Avilo and his stream that well, but I'm sure that if the BMing gets bad TeamLgN will help him with that. I mean, surely the concept of teams does not only exist to make money, but to help the players improve in any ways necessary.

That aside, congratulations and good luck to Avilo and Doji, expecting some great work from the both of them.
Nyan nyan nyan nyan nyan nyan nyan!
DjRetro
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Chile309 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 19:54:21
December 08 2011 19:52 GMT
#97
Congratz Avilo, gl in your team ^^ we're gonna watching your channel as usual, so continue practicing on ladder as hard as you have done.

On December 09 2011 03:10 HardCorey wrote:
Avilo for featured stream list! :D GoGoGo TL admins.

We need more good terrans up there, especially now that TLO has switched ;_;


This!!! TL staff, please.
SpaceSynth-ItaloDisco-HiNRG http://www.radiostaddenhaag.com/
dakinaw
Profile Joined July 2008
United States11 Posts
December 08 2011 20:40 GMT
#98
congrats avilo!! im a protoss and your my fav streamer!
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
December 08 2011 21:41 GMT
#99
On December 08 2011 17:50 iNcontroL wrote:
Yeah! IdrA is a PR nightmare! We are really having a tough time getting fans to rally to him...

O_O


No offense to avilo but he just doesn't have the skills to back it up like IdrA does. Both are controversial the way they act on ladder. It's only natural people are giving us shit for picking him up. Give him the time to become a star player (if that ever happens) and people will like him for his sense of humor and his BM just like people like Greg.

Whether you like Avilo or not, thanks for giving us your feedback and I hope everyone has a great holiday season =)
http://twitch.tv/desrowfighting http://twitter.com/desrowfighting http://facebook.com/desrowfighting
MuK_x
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
743 Posts
December 08 2011 21:42 GMT
#100
avilo and desRow in same team ahahahahahahaaha.

and hhahahahahahaha.

User was temp banned for this post.
IdrA "TT1 actually fucked up and didn't see the hatchery,so im at a really big advantage right now,assuming he reacts intelligently which is not something you should assume with TT1"
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