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On December 04 2011 06:03 Elefanto wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 05:50 Bobster wrote:On December 04 2011 05:39 Zorkmid wrote:
Gotta give the smack talk edge to Mouz! Wonder who's behind it? Xeris vs Maven + Show Spoiler + Xeris is fnatic.
and I don't even know if Maven does mouz' twitter. Double fail.
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This whole thing will end with semi final 2. EG vs mouz either way.
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On December 04 2011 05:17 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 05:06 StyLeD wrote:On December 04 2011 05:03 Grettin wrote:On December 04 2011 04:58 blade55555 wrote:On December 04 2011 04:43 Avan wrote:
It appears to me that EG likes to pick fights with everyone. Problem is: they never win anything, not even a twitter argument. Did you know mouz started it? Did you know its just friendly banter for the mosts part not so drama like fans like you want to make it out to be? :o And to add, didn't you know that EG does win stuff? IMO EG won the twitter war here. Explain how they won, rofl. Guess it's personal preference. I felt like EG had more brilliant "burns" there, despite the "idra coaching" tweet that wasn't really thought trough by EG. ps. don't take it so seriously. Harmless and fun rivarly.
There were really only two real "burns" there, and that was mouz stating they won two EG masters cups and that EG cannot count to 4  the rest was not really that good.
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On December 04 2011 06:14 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 05:17 Grettin wrote:On December 04 2011 05:06 StyLeD wrote:On December 04 2011 05:03 Grettin wrote:On December 04 2011 04:58 blade55555 wrote:On December 04 2011 04:43 Avan wrote:
It appears to me that EG likes to pick fights with everyone. Problem is: they never win anything, not even a twitter argument. Did you know mouz started it? Did you know its just friendly banter for the mosts part not so drama like fans like you want to make it out to be? :o And to add, didn't you know that EG does win stuff? IMO EG won the twitter war here. Explain how they won, rofl. Guess it's personal preference. I felt like EG had more brilliant "burns" there, despite the "idra coaching" tweet that wasn't really thought trough by EG. ps. don't take it so seriously. Harmless and fun rivarly. There were really only two real "burns" there, and that was mouz stating they won two EG masters cups and that EG cannot count to 4 the rest was not really that good.
IMO it was more of a "we can count to 4, once."
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i liked the tongue in cheek #twilight at the end.
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You go, Mouz. Show EG who's boss
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Mouz indisputably had the best burns, and the results to back it up
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Respect to Mouz! EG just got served especially when they have result to back it up.
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On December 04 2011 05:33 metbull wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 04:21 Bandino wrote:On December 04 2011 04:12 vdale wrote:On December 04 2011 03:39 Bandino wrote:On December 04 2011 03:23 Termit wrote:On December 04 2011 02:38 damod wrote:
lol EG owned Mouz pretty hard xD
sad EG forgot to mention that idrA alone has more stream viewers then any mouz player combined xD
also they have more major tourny wins. Yeah stream viewers is all that matters yoyo! ;PpPppP Say what you want, tell me I'm a stupid EG hater or what ever but the fact that EG has many stream viewers doesn't mean shit. They are overhyped as a team and their players are hyped to the skies except HuK who actually deservs the hype he gets because he have taken the tough road in Korea to be the player he is today. He also have one of the best Code S achivements when it comes to Protoss players. So by your logic Mouz is overhyped as a team as well? I mean they can't even get any of their players into Code S! Both teams have very strong players yet EG's players have won more tournaments overall, that is pretty much how I look at it. I don't know if EG has more tournament wins. I think it depends on which tournaments you count in, but mouz has definitely made at least the same amount of pricemoney with less tournament participations (if you count out 100$ cups). (from http://www.mystarcraft.de/de/edb/ranking/prizes, because this site seems to be the most accurate) Huk: ~15k € in EG (~40k € overall) Idra: ~35k € overall (most in EG) Puma: ~ 19k € in EG (~55k € overall) Demuslim: ~1k € in EG ---- ~ 70k € (+ some pricemoney of Incontrol, Machine, etc.) Mouz: Naama: ~15k € overall (most in mouz) Mana: ~25k € overall (all in mouz) Hasuobs: ~16k € overall (all in mouz) Morrow: ~14k € overall (all in mouz) Thorzain: ~19k € overall (all in mouz) ---- ~ 89k € (+ some pricemoney of Strelok and White-Ra before they left mouz) I'm counting out clan leagues, which would again favor mouz. I don't want to shit on EG, I just wanted to show that mouz is pretty successful in tournaments, too. Why are you taking out the money earned by Huk and Puma when they weren't on EG? It's like taking away receivers statistics every time they switch teams or saying, none of Shaq's championships with the Laker's counted once he switched teams. The players on the team make up the team, and what they did in the past, whether when they were on or off of EG, counts as part of their accomplishments. if you think Mouz's players are more accomplished then sure you can think they are the better team. I just prefer looking at larger tournaments such as Dreamhack, IEM, MLG, IPL, etc, not so much weeklies. Sorry for not clarifying. Puma was on TSL at the time of his NASL Seaon 1 victory. Huk was on Team Liquid at the time of his Dreamhack Summer & Homestory Cup victories. Those are individual accomplishments. But since they were "assigned" to a specific team, that team is where those accomplishments should reside. As your example with receivers goes..... It's like a Andre Johnson plays 9 games for the Houston Texans and racks up 45 receptions and 850 yards (amazing year no?). Then A. Johnson is cut from the team for whatever reason; and the Dallas Cowboys pickup A. Johnson. Do the Cowboys then get to add A. Johnson's statistics from his playing time with the Texans onto their statistics for the year? Don't think so. No A. Johnson's statistics don't get wiped out for the year; but his statistics with the Cowboys (team statistics) starts at 0 yards not 850 yards. Tony Romo hasn't thrown 45 receptions to A. Johnson; therefore the Cowboys can't claim those receptions or yards as their own. edit: Sc2earnings is a good concept; but needs work to reflect true team totals. Individual earnings appear to be spot on though. so Kudos there to them
A team is defined by its players. A way to judge the value of players is the amount of tournaments they won\placed high in and to a lesser extend, the money they made. So you can say that EG is a good team because they have the NASL 1 winner and the HSC3 and dreamhack summer winner. Did they have anything to do with those accomplishements? Absolutely not. Same as Mouz didn't have any impact in Thorzain winning the TSL3.
The argument that the quality of a group of individual players can't be defined by their previous accomplishements is so stupid, i'm suprised Slasher hasn't made it
It's like saying the team 8 isn't top tier because Jaedong hasn't won a osl\msl with them...
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hahahahhaaha mous u sorry nerds u wear the logo with pride hahaaha it will be the first and last respect u ever get hahaha
User was temp banned for this post.
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Lol! This is the kind of "Drama" I love ! :D
These 2 teams are awesome! :D
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On December 04 2011 06:25 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 05:33 metbull wrote:On December 04 2011 04:21 Bandino wrote:On December 04 2011 04:12 vdale wrote:On December 04 2011 03:39 Bandino wrote:On December 04 2011 03:23 Termit wrote:On December 04 2011 02:38 damod wrote:
lol EG owned Mouz pretty hard xD
sad EG forgot to mention that idrA alone has more stream viewers then any mouz player combined xD
also they have more major tourny wins. Yeah stream viewers is all that matters yoyo! ;PpPppP Say what you want, tell me I'm a stupid EG hater or what ever but the fact that EG has many stream viewers doesn't mean shit. They are overhyped as a team and their players are hyped to the skies except HuK who actually deservs the hype he gets because he have taken the tough road in Korea to be the player he is today. He also have one of the best Code S achivements when it comes to Protoss players. So by your logic Mouz is overhyped as a team as well? I mean they can't even get any of their players into Code S! Both teams have very strong players yet EG's players have won more tournaments overall, that is pretty much how I look at it. I don't know if EG has more tournament wins. I think it depends on which tournaments you count in, but mouz has definitely made at least the same amount of pricemoney with less tournament participations (if you count out 100$ cups). (from http://www.mystarcraft.de/de/edb/ranking/prizes, because this site seems to be the most accurate) Huk: ~15k € in EG (~40k € overall) Idra: ~35k € overall (most in EG) Puma: ~ 19k € in EG (~55k € overall) Demuslim: ~1k € in EG ---- ~ 70k € (+ some pricemoney of Incontrol, Machine, etc.) Mouz: Naama: ~15k € overall (most in mouz) Mana: ~25k € overall (all in mouz) Hasuobs: ~16k € overall (all in mouz) Morrow: ~14k € overall (all in mouz) Thorzain: ~19k € overall (all in mouz) ---- ~ 89k € (+ some pricemoney of Strelok and White-Ra before they left mouz) I'm counting out clan leagues, which would again favor mouz. I don't want to shit on EG, I just wanted to show that mouz is pretty successful in tournaments, too. Why are you taking out the money earned by Huk and Puma when they weren't on EG? It's like taking away receivers statistics every time they switch teams or saying, none of Shaq's championships with the Laker's counted once he switched teams. The players on the team make up the team, and what they did in the past, whether when they were on or off of EG, counts as part of their accomplishments. if you think Mouz's players are more accomplished then sure you can think they are the better team. I just prefer looking at larger tournaments such as Dreamhack, IEM, MLG, IPL, etc, not so much weeklies. Sorry for not clarifying. Puma was on TSL at the time of his NASL Seaon 1 victory. Huk was on Team Liquid at the time of his Dreamhack Summer & Homestory Cup victories. Those are individual accomplishments. But since they were "assigned" to a specific team, that team is where those accomplishments should reside. As your example with receivers goes..... It's like a Andre Johnson plays 9 games for the Houston Texans and racks up 45 receptions and 850 yards (amazing year no?). Then A. Johnson is cut from the team for whatever reason; and the Dallas Cowboys pickup A. Johnson. Do the Cowboys then get to add A. Johnson's statistics from his playing time with the Texans onto their statistics for the year? Don't think so. No A. Johnson's statistics don't get wiped out for the year; but his statistics with the Cowboys (team statistics) starts at 0 yards not 850 yards. Tony Romo hasn't thrown 45 receptions to A. Johnson; therefore the Cowboys can't claim those receptions or yards as their own. edit: Sc2earnings is a good concept; but needs work to reflect true team totals. Individual earnings appear to be spot on though. so Kudos there to them A team is defined by its players. A way to judge the value of players is the amount of tournaments they won\placed high in and to a lesser extend, the money they made. So you can say that EG is a good team because they have the NASL 1 winner and the HSC3 and dreamhack summer winner. Did they have anything to do with those accomplishements? Absolutely not. Same as Mouz didn't have any impact in Thorzain winning the TSL3. The argument that the quality of a group of individual players can't be defined by their previous accomplishements is so stupid, i'm suprised Slasher hasn't made it It's like saying the team 8 isn't top tier because Jaedong hasn't won a osl\msl with them...
It's an issue of semantics. The original post said EG had more tournament wins, but that isn't really true. They may have more champions and championship caliber players. However, the team itself hasn't dominated to the same degree. This is especially true when you talk about team leagues. Of course, the whole argument is kinda silly since this is just a friendly back and forth on twitter.
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On December 04 2011 06:33 Turbogangsta wrote:
hahahahhaaha mous u sorry nerds u wear the logo with pride hahaaha it will be the first and last respect u ever get hahaha
What's the matter with you? Terrible post, terrible grammar...
EDIT: And as I make this post he get's temp banned.
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On December 04 2011 06:25 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 05:33 metbull wrote:On December 04 2011 04:21 Bandino wrote:On December 04 2011 04:12 vdale wrote:On December 04 2011 03:39 Bandino wrote:On December 04 2011 03:23 Termit wrote:On December 04 2011 02:38 damod wrote:
lol EG owned Mouz pretty hard xD
sad EG forgot to mention that idrA alone has more stream viewers then any mouz player combined xD
also they have more major tourny wins. Yeah stream viewers is all that matters yoyo! ;PpPppP Say what you want, tell me I'm a stupid EG hater or what ever but the fact that EG has many stream viewers doesn't mean shit. They are overhyped as a team and their players are hyped to the skies except HuK who actually deservs the hype he gets because he have taken the tough road in Korea to be the player he is today. He also have one of the best Code S achivements when it comes to Protoss players. So by your logic Mouz is overhyped as a team as well? I mean they can't even get any of their players into Code S! Both teams have very strong players yet EG's players have won more tournaments overall, that is pretty much how I look at it. I don't know if EG has more tournament wins. I think it depends on which tournaments you count in, but mouz has definitely made at least the same amount of pricemoney with less tournament participations (if you count out 100$ cups). (from http://www.mystarcraft.de/de/edb/ranking/prizes, because this site seems to be the most accurate) Huk: ~15k € in EG (~40k € overall) Idra: ~35k € overall (most in EG) Puma: ~ 19k € in EG (~55k € overall) Demuslim: ~1k € in EG ---- ~ 70k € (+ some pricemoney of Incontrol, Machine, etc.) Mouz: Naama: ~15k € overall (most in mouz) Mana: ~25k € overall (all in mouz) Hasuobs: ~16k € overall (all in mouz) Morrow: ~14k € overall (all in mouz) Thorzain: ~19k € overall (all in mouz) ---- ~ 89k € (+ some pricemoney of Strelok and White-Ra before they left mouz) I'm counting out clan leagues, which would again favor mouz. I don't want to shit on EG, I just wanted to show that mouz is pretty successful in tournaments, too. Why are you taking out the money earned by Huk and Puma when they weren't on EG? It's like taking away receivers statistics every time they switch teams or saying, none of Shaq's championships with the Laker's counted once he switched teams. The players on the team make up the team, and what they did in the past, whether when they were on or off of EG, counts as part of their accomplishments. if you think Mouz's players are more accomplished then sure you can think they are the better team. I just prefer looking at larger tournaments such as Dreamhack, IEM, MLG, IPL, etc, not so much weeklies. Sorry for not clarifying. Puma was on TSL at the time of his NASL Seaon 1 victory. Huk was on Team Liquid at the time of his Dreamhack Summer & Homestory Cup victories. Those are individual accomplishments. But since they were "assigned" to a specific team, that team is where those accomplishments should reside. As your example with receivers goes..... It's like a Andre Johnson plays 9 games for the Houston Texans and racks up 45 receptions and 850 yards (amazing year no?). Then A. Johnson is cut from the team for whatever reason; and the Dallas Cowboys pickup A. Johnson. Do the Cowboys then get to add A. Johnson's statistics from his playing time with the Texans onto their statistics for the year? Don't think so. No A. Johnson's statistics don't get wiped out for the year; but his statistics with the Cowboys (team statistics) starts at 0 yards not 850 yards. Tony Romo hasn't thrown 45 receptions to A. Johnson; therefore the Cowboys can't claim those receptions or yards as their own. edit: Sc2earnings is a good concept; but needs work to reflect true team totals. Individual earnings appear to be spot on though. so Kudos there to them A team is defined by its players. A way to judge the value of players is the amount of tournaments they won\placed high in and to a lesser extend, the money they made. So you can say that EG is a good team because they have the NASL 1 winner and the HSC3 and dreamhack summer winner. Did they have anything to do with those accomplishements? Absolutely not. Same as Mouz didn't have any impact in Thorzain winning the TSL3. The argument that the quality of a group of individual players can't be defined by their previous accomplishements is so stupid, i'm suprised Slasher hasn't made it It's like saying the team 8 isn't top tier because Jaedong hasn't won a osl\msl with them...
The argument is that a team can't take credit for tournament wins of a player he accomplished while being on another team.
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On December 04 2011 07:03 Baum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 06:25 Diavlo wrote:On December 04 2011 05:33 metbull wrote:On December 04 2011 04:21 Bandino wrote:On December 04 2011 04:12 vdale wrote:On December 04 2011 03:39 Bandino wrote:On December 04 2011 03:23 Termit wrote:On December 04 2011 02:38 damod wrote:
lol EG owned Mouz pretty hard xD
sad EG forgot to mention that idrA alone has more stream viewers then any mouz player combined xD
also they have more major tourny wins. Yeah stream viewers is all that matters yoyo! ;PpPppP Say what you want, tell me I'm a stupid EG hater or what ever but the fact that EG has many stream viewers doesn't mean shit. They are overhyped as a team and their players are hyped to the skies except HuK who actually deservs the hype he gets because he have taken the tough road in Korea to be the player he is today. He also have one of the best Code S achivements when it comes to Protoss players. So by your logic Mouz is overhyped as a team as well? I mean they can't even get any of their players into Code S! Both teams have very strong players yet EG's players have won more tournaments overall, that is pretty much how I look at it. I don't know if EG has more tournament wins. I think it depends on which tournaments you count in, but mouz has definitely made at least the same amount of pricemoney with less tournament participations (if you count out 100$ cups). (from http://www.mystarcraft.de/de/edb/ranking/prizes, because this site seems to be the most accurate) Huk: ~15k € in EG (~40k € overall) Idra: ~35k € overall (most in EG) Puma: ~ 19k € in EG (~55k € overall) Demuslim: ~1k € in EG ---- ~ 70k € (+ some pricemoney of Incontrol, Machine, etc.) Mouz: Naama: ~15k € overall (most in mouz) Mana: ~25k € overall (all in mouz) Hasuobs: ~16k € overall (all in mouz) Morrow: ~14k € overall (all in mouz) Thorzain: ~19k € overall (all in mouz) ---- ~ 89k € (+ some pricemoney of Strelok and White-Ra before they left mouz) I'm counting out clan leagues, which would again favor mouz. I don't want to shit on EG, I just wanted to show that mouz is pretty successful in tournaments, too. Why are you taking out the money earned by Huk and Puma when they weren't on EG? It's like taking away receivers statistics every time they switch teams or saying, none of Shaq's championships with the Laker's counted once he switched teams. The players on the team make up the team, and what they did in the past, whether when they were on or off of EG, counts as part of their accomplishments. if you think Mouz's players are more accomplished then sure you can think they are the better team. I just prefer looking at larger tournaments such as Dreamhack, IEM, MLG, IPL, etc, not so much weeklies. Sorry for not clarifying. Puma was on TSL at the time of his NASL Seaon 1 victory. Huk was on Team Liquid at the time of his Dreamhack Summer & Homestory Cup victories. Those are individual accomplishments. But since they were "assigned" to a specific team, that team is where those accomplishments should reside. As your example with receivers goes..... It's like a Andre Johnson plays 9 games for the Houston Texans and racks up 45 receptions and 850 yards (amazing year no?). Then A. Johnson is cut from the team for whatever reason; and the Dallas Cowboys pickup A. Johnson. Do the Cowboys then get to add A. Johnson's statistics from his playing time with the Texans onto their statistics for the year? Don't think so. No A. Johnson's statistics don't get wiped out for the year; but his statistics with the Cowboys (team statistics) starts at 0 yards not 850 yards. Tony Romo hasn't thrown 45 receptions to A. Johnson; therefore the Cowboys can't claim those receptions or yards as their own. edit: Sc2earnings is a good concept; but needs work to reflect true team totals. Individual earnings appear to be spot on though. so Kudos there to them A team is defined by its players. A way to judge the value of players is the amount of tournaments they won\placed high in and to a lesser extend, the money they made. So you can say that EG is a good team because they have the NASL 1 winner and the HSC3 and dreamhack summer winner. Did they have anything to do with those accomplishements? Absolutely not. Same as Mouz didn't have any impact in Thorzain winning the TSL3. The argument that the quality of a group of individual players can't be defined by their previous accomplishements is so stupid, i'm suprised Slasher hasn't made it It's like saying the team 8 isn't top tier because Jaedong hasn't won a osl\msl with them... The argument is that a team can't take credit for tournament wins of a player he accomplished while being on another team.
Prae had disbanded just after the RO32. He was Mouz Thorzain for most of the tournament.
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Hahaha. The "Shhhh, Bella" reply was pretty epic Who's the "community manager" for these teams? Or can any player post under the "mouz" and "EG" accounts?
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On December 04 2011 07:17 NeoLearner wrote:Hahaha. The "Shhhh, Bella" reply was pretty epic Who's the "community manager" for these teams? Or can any player post under the "mouz" and "EG" accounts?
Most of the time it's just 1 person posting behind the mouz twitter. Won't out his name though
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What do you expect The EU Twitter server is so much better than the US one, that the EU teams are bound to have the upper hand.
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