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DeMuslim will pwn ThorZain, and Puma will destroy Sheth. Besides that, I think most of the predictions are accurate.
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Nice. Does Waxangel realize the management team is brand new in ESWC and is not the one who was known for not paying prize money ?
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On December 03 2011 02:22 SolidMustard wrote:
Nice. Does Waxangel realize the management team is brand new in ESWC and is not the one who was known for not paying prize money ?
Probably not. Has this new management team paid out money yet to demonstrate that they are better?
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On December 03 2011 02:04 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 01:57 Condor Hero wrote:On December 03 2011 01:48 Forikorder wrote:On December 03 2011 01:17 Hrrrrm wrote:
So many people want shit to be sugarcoated to "inflate" the hype and help ESPORTS. Nothing will hurt ESPORTS more than being dishonest about the reality of certain situations. Yes the timing is a little off, feels like Waxangel might've missed the deadline for this and should've been on the front page when the regular season ended or the playoffs. It's pointless to have something like this AFTER the Finals because barring any horrendous screw ups(Eagles), it'll be good-great and people would then claim the article is trying to put a wet blanket over a "successful finals event". Good article just late timing. noones saying sugarcoat it but dont rip off the sugar thats already on it theres plenty of amazing games, amazing players, and amazing casters and amazing shows (Live on three and the Day[9] daily) going on during the grand finals which is plenty to get me hyped and all the article does it talk about the regular season no mention of the casters no mention of the games to be played no mention of the shows happening no information at all about whats actually going to be happening at the grand finals aside from a list of palyers if i wanted to know who would be palying id check the site There's an actual tournament thread about everything you just listed. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=290863 my point was why name an article after the NASL finals, then not mention the NASL finals?
It's the preview of the Finals, with all the players presented in an interesting way.
Combined with the LR thread there is pretty much everything you could want.
Why are you having a problem with this?
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mouz got rly fucked up bracket, mana vs morrow and winner getz thorzain, WTF
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As someone said previously, how is there not one mention of having both Live on Three and a Day9 daily live from thevent? This is clearly a response to the MLG's attempt at a live SOTG and I don't think NASL gets much credit for the efforts they put into providing a live experience. Poor article aside ("Stumbling Toward the Finish Line....wtf?"), the graphics by Memo are fantastic
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On December 02 2011 15:45 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 15:34 TT1 wrote:On December 02 2011 15:11 Waxangel wrote:On December 02 2011 15:05 TT1 wrote:
newbi waxangael dont call me an cheesy player if u dont know anything about sc2 silly TT1, IdrA said it so it must be true ^_^ all kidding aside, there's not much you can do about rep  source? cus if were going by this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280421.. id say i have decent macro or are u just butthurt that i eliminated a tl member? i guess thats where the bo3 reference came from right? Poll: Does TT1 have a reputation as a cheesy player?Yes (426) 83% No (88) 17% 514 total votes Your vote: Does TT1 have a reputation as a cheesy player? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Waxangel vs TT1 showmatch ! TT1 can probably win this with a 50% handicap
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On December 03 2011 02:24 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 02:22 SolidMustard wrote:
Nice. Does Waxangel realize the management team is brand new in ESWC and is not the one who was known for not paying prize money ? Probably not. Has this new management team paid out money yet to demonstrate that they are better?
They did
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It's a humorous comparison, prodding at the player and the organizations histories. Chill man. Laugh.
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On December 03 2011 02:26 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 02:04 Forikorder wrote:On December 03 2011 01:57 Condor Hero wrote:On December 03 2011 01:48 Forikorder wrote:On December 03 2011 01:17 Hrrrrm wrote:
So many people want shit to be sugarcoated to "inflate" the hype and help ESPORTS. Nothing will hurt ESPORTS more than being dishonest about the reality of certain situations. Yes the timing is a little off, feels like Waxangel might've missed the deadline for this and should've been on the front page when the regular season ended or the playoffs. It's pointless to have something like this AFTER the Finals because barring any horrendous screw ups(Eagles), it'll be good-great and people would then claim the article is trying to put a wet blanket over a "successful finals event". Good article just late timing. noones saying sugarcoat it but dont rip off the sugar thats already on it theres plenty of amazing games, amazing players, and amazing casters and amazing shows (Live on three and the Day[9] daily) going on during the grand finals which is plenty to get me hyped and all the article does it talk about the regular season no mention of the casters no mention of the games to be played no mention of the shows happening no information at all about whats actually going to be happening at the grand finals aside from a list of palyers if i wanted to know who would be palying id check the site There's an actual tournament thread about everything you just listed. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=290863 my point was why name an article after the NASL finals, then not mention the NASL finals? It's the preview of the Finals, with all the players presented in an interesting way. Combined with the LR thread there is pretty much everything you could want. Why are you having a problem with this?
its an article thats supposed to be talking about the finals that only bashs the regular season
if it was called "a bumpy road to the finals" or "almost at the finishing line" or something that would imply its talking about the season leading up to the finals i would understand
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I don't understand why there is criticism of NASL in the NASL hype thread. If TL staff feels strongly about it, they should write another thread. This is the equivalent of an ESPN writer with an article about Fox's Super Bowl coverage, covering the game and whatnot, but then throwing in somewhere that the network's cameras aren't so good or the commentators are not as knowledgeable . It just seems so out of place.
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On December 03 2011 01:54 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 01:50 wklbishop wrote:On December 02 2011 23:40 empty.bottle wrote:On December 02 2011 15:34 TT1 wrote:On December 02 2011 15:11 Waxangel wrote:On December 02 2011 15:05 TT1 wrote:
newbi waxangael dont call me an cheesy player if u dont know anything about sc2 silly TT1, IdrA said it so it must be true ^_^ all kidding aside, there's not much you can do about rep source? cus if were going by this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280421.. id say i have decent macro or are u just butthurt that i eliminated a tl member? i guess thats where the bo3 reference came from right? That measures how many unspent resources you have vs your actual income, being on three bases wont give you a higher score if you have a lot of unspent resources, so you could be on 1 base cheesing and still get a high score... Does that make you have a decent macro? ROFL In Fact if you are collecting an average of 850 resources and unspending 250 resources your SQ would be : 87.5. EDIT: Try it yourself ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dGY3J.png) I= Average Income U= Unspent resources Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266019 LOOOOLs. It does mean he has decent macro actually because it speaks volumes about his build orders and early game timings (not necessarily attack, but when to build something) which while a lot of people downplay these days, is really essential and fundamental. Notice there still is a difference in SQ between the various rankings. But seriously though, the fact that TT1 has a reputation as a cheesy player would not suggest that he's a cheesy player, but rather most of the community is just flat-out wrong in their perception. You say they're wrong without giving any real evidence or support you know. We've already established that having a high SQ does not necessarily make you a macro player. Indeed I believe we established that having a high SQ is also very important to aggressive players. Think about it: if you have a lot of hanging resources early on in the game, do you really think your early aggression is going to work? Doesn't matter how early you start making units if your SQ sucks. SQ is important to both macro and aggressive players (high SQ tends to mean better player, TT1 happens to have high SQ).
It's very easy to keep your ressources down when one-basing, while actually when going into maxed-army situation and pooling ressources for the remax will make your score worse. This measure is pointless actually.
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Wow something that dares objectively criticize NASL, grand work 
Nice writeup, I'm not sure who I am rooting for to be honest, I'm hoping some new blood wins it (or rather some old blood that has yet to win something major yet).
If nothing else then Sheth or IdrA.
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Nice article. I haven't been able to watch any NASL this season, and I feel pretty caught up.
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On December 03 2011 02:44 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 01:54 Barrin wrote:On December 03 2011 01:50 wklbishop wrote:On December 02 2011 23:40 empty.bottle wrote:On December 02 2011 15:34 TT1 wrote:On December 02 2011 15:11 Waxangel wrote:On December 02 2011 15:05 TT1 wrote:
newbi waxangael dont call me an cheesy player if u dont know anything about sc2 silly TT1, IdrA said it so it must be true ^_^ all kidding aside, there's not much you can do about rep source? cus if were going by this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280421.. id say i have decent macro or are u just butthurt that i eliminated a tl member? i guess thats where the bo3 reference came from right? That measures how many unspent resources you have vs your actual income, being on three bases wont give you a higher score if you have a lot of unspent resources, so you could be on 1 base cheesing and still get a high score... Does that make you have a decent macro? ROFL In Fact if you are collecting an average of 850 resources and unspending 250 resources your SQ would be : 87.5. EDIT: Try it yourself I= Average Income U= Unspent resources Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266019 LOOOOLs. It does mean he has decent macro actually because it speaks volumes about his build orders and early game timings (not necessarily attack, but when to build something) which while a lot of people downplay these days, is really essential and fundamental. Notice there still is a difference in SQ between the various rankings. But seriously though, the fact that TT1 has a reputation as a cheesy player would not suggest that he's a cheesy player, but rather most of the community is just flat-out wrong in their perception. You say they're wrong without giving any real evidence or support you know. We've already established that having a high SQ does not necessarily make you a macro player. Indeed I believe we established that having a high SQ is also very important to aggressive players. Think about it: if you have a lot of hanging resources early on in the game, do you really think your early aggression is going to work? Doesn't matter how early you start making units if your SQ sucks. SQ is important to both macro and aggressive players (high SQ tends to mean better player, TT1 happens to have high SQ). It's very easy to keep your ressources down when one-basing, while actually when going into maxed-army situation and pooling ressources for the remax will make your score worse. This measure is pointless actually.
The measure is pointless only if used out of context and incorrectly. For instance, if we were to watch a huge macro TvZ where both players end up on a lot of bases with constant aggression, a comparison of players' SQ would have some informative value
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I am sad that TL critics NASL in the NASL hype thread. This does not have its place, we should all be exited that the NASL final is soon
TL lost some of my respect in this article...
Hope NASL is a blast
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My two cents is that orb is OK. His game knowledge never really leaves me wondering and I find him entertaining on the Korean Weekly.
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I'm really glad Liquid has the brass balls (read: BAWLZ) to come out and talk about the NASL S2 being what it truly is: simply lackluster. The community needs to be critical as so many leagues are out. In the end, all the criticism should improve quality of all leagues. It's just refreshing to hear things non-sugar coated here in contrast to some...*cough* Inctrl SotG * cough* broadcasts.
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Looking forward to the NASL finals. There is alot of great foreign talent, and surely some great matches coming up. I hope they are able to pull off another great finals like last season.
As far as the OP, graphics are awesome, and while the player + tournament comparisons are funny, I agree with previous posters and feel like this is out of place. Of course there is a time and place to criticize NASL for its shortcomings, but its not right before the finals. There is a great roster of foreign competitors in the finals, and in a hype thread that should be the focus. That negativity in the OP is overshadowing whats really important. IMHO, wait until after the finals to judge like this please.
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