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FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
November 15 2011 19:51 GMT
#1501
This is definitely very unfortunate. I feel very bad for both parties involved, yet they really do deserve a punishment 100%
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anrimayu
Profile Joined June 2011
United States875 Posts
November 15 2011 19:54 GMT
#1502
On November 16 2011 04:40 Mallidon wrote:
He's 17, people make mistakes when they are 17, hell I know I did.

Cut him some slack and stop trying to make out its a hanging offence. He done bad, he bloody knows!


You mean just like how 18 years old kids don't know what signing a contract means after 2am? Something like that will never work in korea.
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
November 15 2011 19:54 GMT
#1503
Yugioh reference ftw.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Slangen
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden1166 Posts
November 15 2011 19:57 GMT
#1504
This is just sick.. Cant belive CoCa went for that! He was one of my biggest up and comers! Im not a CoCa fanboy anymore. Boxer will be ashamed of you :/
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IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
November 15 2011 19:59 GMT
#1505
On November 16 2011 04:57 Slangen wrote:
This is just sick.. Cant belive CoCa went for that! He was one of my biggest up and comers! Im not a CoCa fanboy anymore. Boxer will be ashamed of you :/


He's a kid, relax. He made a mistake. All the holier-than-thous coming out of the woodwork on TL, every time.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
November 15 2011 19:59 GMT
#1506
On November 16 2011 04:51 slicknav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 04:43 bonifaceviii wrote:
On November 16 2011 04:40 Mallidon wrote:
He's 17, people make mistakes when they are 17, hell I know I did.

Cut him some slack and stop trying to make out its a hanging offence. He done bad, he bloody knows!

Definitely not a hanging offense, but one where an appropriate punishment is to remove him from professional play for a period of time.


isn't that exactly what the teams are doing?

Yes.
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Krogan
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden375 Posts
November 15 2011 20:01 GMT
#1507
I'd like to see all tournaments suspend Coca for like 6months for this as well, this is the kind of stuff that will actually kill esports.
ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
November 15 2011 20:02 GMT
#1508
On November 16 2011 04:49 AndyVN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 04:43 ImmortalTofu wrote:
Well... I think its more like he wanted some more practice v. Terran (That's what the dialogue a bit later in the thread says), and because he didn't have any good practice partners at the time online or w.e, and his next round's match was a Protoss (of which he has none of in his GSL group), he wanted to play v. Byun again, and so agreed to GG. Is that really matchfixing? Yes it's throwing a game, but it was for practice, and not for money.


Practice or not, this is for a prize tournament.


Of course I agree, but I feel that pulling him out of code S for wanting more practice in a stressful setting with something on the line is quite an overreaction, especially when its pretty clear this whole "match-fixing" thing is really just him giving Byun a game for a friend and for practice, not because he got any money off of it, or they had a deal prior.
"Friendship ain't a business deal"
TylerThaCreator
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States906 Posts
November 15 2011 20:06 GMT
#1509
On November 16 2011 05:02 ImmortalTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 04:49 AndyVN wrote:
On November 16 2011 04:43 ImmortalTofu wrote:
Well... I think its more like he wanted some more practice v. Terran (That's what the dialogue a bit later in the thread says), and because he didn't have any good practice partners at the time online or w.e, and his next round's match was a Protoss (of which he has none of in his GSL group), he wanted to play v. Byun again, and so agreed to GG. Is that really matchfixing? Yes it's throwing a game, but it was for practice, and not for money.


Practice or not, this is for a prize tournament.


Of course I agree, but I feel that pulling him out of code S for wanting more practice in a stressful setting with something on the line is quite an overreaction, especially when its pretty clear this whole "match-fixing" thing is really just him giving Byun a game for a friend and for practice, not because he got any money off of it, or they had a deal prior.


It's still a tournament no matter how you try to frame it.
aka SethN
InsidiA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1169 Posts
November 15 2011 20:08 GMT
#1510
NO! Greg was sposed to practice with CoCa :'(
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Neo7
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States922 Posts
November 15 2011 20:09 GMT
#1511
The one reason why playing against teammates in individual tournaments isn't very popular with players. It is unfortunate they made this kind of decision trying to help other teammates secure a spot in Code S when there are other ways to get in (cheater method encourages lower level play which Code S is not about). I don't believe he deserves a full ban since it wasn't a selfish type of match fixing (like savior did) but deserves a minor suspension at the very least.
It takes an idiot to do cool things.
KingPaddy
Profile Joined November 2010
1053 Posts
November 15 2011 20:11 GMT
#1512
So all of this only because they forfeited one game in an relatively early round of an online tournament (with no CodeA spot to win)?
Okay, it's a little annoying for the tournament organizers, but hey, one more game! It's not as if one of them had played worse as normal in the second game or in the third game and lost on purpose, as it's the case in many other tournaments (i.e. SeleCT as he played MC in NASL). Aren't all the no shows in the ESV more disrespectful towards the tournament? They actually "steal" games..
Should Idra give up his GSL spot as well, since he left one TLOpen in the semi-finals after losing the first game? He "discredited" one tournament as well..
It would be different, if there was a Code A spot to win, but as it isn't I don't understand all this drama..
Ofc it was stupid, but was it bad?

And strange that none of the Slayers Terrans wanted to practice with Coca, is he the new Yugioh?


Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 20:14:14
November 15 2011 20:12 GMT
#1513
On November 16 2011 04:59 IPA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 04:57 Slangen wrote:
This is just sick.. Cant belive CoCa went for that! He was one of my biggest up and comers! Im not a CoCa fanboy anymore. Boxer will be ashamed of you :/


He's a kid, relax. He made a mistake. All the holier-than-thous coming out of the woodwork on TL, every time.

...Holier-than-thou?
You realize that people say that when it comes down to normative things? Of course I'm "holier" than CoCa after he's shown to be pretty much objectively reprehensible.

The whole holier-than-thou thing you pulled applies to people who come up with subjective "ideas" and present them as fact and such.


On November 16 2011 05:02 ImmortalTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 04:49 AndyVN wrote:
On November 16 2011 04:43 ImmortalTofu wrote:
Well... I think its more like he wanted some more practice v. Terran (That's what the dialogue a bit later in the thread says), and because he didn't have any good practice partners at the time online or w.e, and his next round's match was a Protoss (of which he has none of in his GSL group), he wanted to play v. Byun again, and so agreed to GG. Is that really matchfixing? Yes it's throwing a game, but it was for practice, and not for money.


Practice or not, this is for a prize tournament.


Of course I agree, but I feel that pulling him out of code S for wanting more practice in a stressful setting with something on the line is quite an overreaction, especially when its pretty clear this whole "match-fixing" thing is really just him giving Byun a game for a friend and for practice, not because he got any money off of it, or they had a deal prior.

It's "pretty clear"?
It's a tournament, you can't justify forfeiting a game you're winning. Especially not to someone who has a code A spot to gain. This is pretty much fraudulent.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
November 15 2011 20:13 GMT
#1514
On November 16 2011 05:06 TylerThaCreator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 05:02 ImmortalTofu wrote:
On November 16 2011 04:49 AndyVN wrote:
On November 16 2011 04:43 ImmortalTofu wrote:
Well... I think its more like he wanted some more practice v. Terran (That's what the dialogue a bit later in the thread says), and because he didn't have any good practice partners at the time online or w.e, and his next round's match was a Protoss (of which he has none of in his GSL group), he wanted to play v. Byun again, and so agreed to GG. Is that really matchfixing? Yes it's throwing a game, but it was for practice, and not for money.


Practice or not, this is for a prize tournament.


Of course I agree, but I feel that pulling him out of code S for wanting more practice in a stressful setting with something on the line is quite an overreaction, especially when its pretty clear this whole "match-fixing" thing is really just him giving Byun a game for a friend and for practice, not because he got any money off of it, or they had a deal prior.


It's still a tournament no matter how you try to frame it.

...I think people are not realizing my point. I understand that its a tournament game, and that he should be warned to not do something so reckless again, but this was not previously arranged like the horrific incident in BW, and therefore should not be treated with the same level of intensity? Banned from Code S? Kicked to the B team and sent home? I fully understand the ban from the weekly tournament, but this was fairly innocent in the scheme of things, and I think the shame of it being so widely publicized should along with the weekly ban should be enough to teach him not to do these kinds of things. We're being way too judgemental about a player who made a rash decision to practice better for his code S group once. If he shows hints of such behavior again, let him have it, but for now, I think we're way overreacting...
"Friendship ain't a business deal"
bayaka
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada102 Posts
November 15 2011 20:13 GMT
#1515
On November 16 2011 04:59 IPA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 04:57 Slangen wrote:
This is just sick.. Cant belive CoCa went for that! He was one of my biggest up and comers! Im not a CoCa fanboy anymore. Boxer will be ashamed of you :/


He's a kid, relax. He made a mistake. All the holier-than-thous coming out of the woodwork on TL, every time.


You don't understand... dishonor, blah blah blah, in korea blah blah blah. Everybody wants to show how much they care about esports by butchering some random player because he made a small mistake by listening to a friend. Nobody seems to be mentioning Byun even though he was completely the driving force behind it. Stuff like this makes me seriously hate this community sometimes.
Xadar
Profile Joined October 2010
497 Posts
November 15 2011 20:14 GMT
#1516
On November 16 2011 05:01 Krogan wrote:
I'd like to see all tournaments suspend Coca for like 6months for this as well, this is the kind of stuff that will actually kill esports.

him quitting code is fucking killing esport, not him giving 1 game away
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
November 15 2011 20:21 GMT
#1517
I don't understand how people are actually defending CoCa's actions using the "he wanted some Terran practice" argument. He could have easily knocked Byun out and played customs with him to do it without sacrificing the integrity and legitimacy of the tournament.
redeux
Profile Joined November 2010
United States148 Posts
November 15 2011 20:22 GMT
#1518
Forgive me if I'm wrong but last year didn't we have ladder match fixing by someone on Slayers? I've been out of the scene for a while so my memory is rusty.
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Flossy
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States870 Posts
November 15 2011 20:22 GMT
#1519
This is some bad stuff. It doesn't seem like anyone could of done something since this was a replay but maybe people should have someone who speaks Korean or another lauguage to stop this from happening again.
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S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
November 15 2011 20:25 GMT
#1520
On November 16 2011 05:22 redeux wrote:
Forgive me if I'm wrong but last year didn't we have ladder match fixing by someone on Slayers? I've been out of the scene for a while so my memory is rusty.


Only case of ladder abuse I remember was choyafOu offering to settle games via rock paper scissors to abuse the system and get more points. He was banned from the GSL for one season.
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