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Hey guys! If you want to argue that this tourney is "sexist" please make your own thread about it.
ioFilip
Profile Joined October 2010
Romania33 Posts
November 11 2011 07:14 GMT
#181
sad zealot, no protoss girls (
My life for Aiur
shenjinchen100
Profile Joined March 2011
38 Posts
November 11 2011 07:17 GMT
#182
Flo fighting!!!
Ramen_
Profile Joined March 2011
Russian Federation23 Posts
November 11 2011 08:35 GMT
#183
Poor TT1.
Btw i found that DaSakura-vs-TT1 replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?8ek56xetcbdryst
But DaSakura described another game ITT.
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
November 11 2011 08:36 GMT
#184
oh man was hoping Slayers Eve would be invited so everyone could finally see how good she actually is.

Ill root for Laetjen, Sweden Fighting!!
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
November 11 2011 08:50 GMT
#185
Rainbow's gf gonna take this. Cute + Korean = IMBA.
ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 08:57:21
November 11 2011 08:54 GMT
#186
On November 11 2011 12:03 Pugget wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 10:58 Shel wrote:
Comparing the inequality in a video game to racial inequality in real life isn't even close to an equal comparison.


True enough. It was more of an attempt at allegory than a statement that they were equal problems.

Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 10:58 Shel wrote:
SC2, as with ALL video games, is indeed a meritocracy. If you have the skill, you win the games, you get noticed, you get a sponsor (and I'd think a female gamer would actually have an easier time of getting sponsors), and then you go to major events and perform at your best. And, for the record, there is a diamond player in this pool of women, so I guess the meritocracy isn't working as well as I just claimed.


An ideal meritocracy only exists under the condition that everyone 1) starts on an equal footing, and 2) completes in an environment that treats all equally. I would suggest that neither condition is fulfilled for women in SC2. It is far less likely that girls' parents and friends tolerate hours spent playing RTS games, partly because of a general lack of social acceptance for female gamers. The stereotype isn't there to normalize the activity. Then, women who do compete end up harassed and sexualized by a largely male community (a largely horny male community). That, needless to say, can serve to create a hostile environment.

Therefore why such tournaments are such a positive thing. Give role-models and provide a space free of harassment. Encourage more women to power through the B.S. they face being gamers.


This post is dumb. First of all, everyone has the same chances of winning in SC2, parenting has nothing to do with that, if your parents don't allow you to play alot then that sucks for you but this goes for boys and girls alike. So that is already a big bullshit excuse. Second of all, women don't usually get harrassed at all, it's the internet nobody knows what sex you are. of course if you use a name like "sexy girl 123" you kind of even deserve it. would people with names like "hot boy 2000" not get harrassed simply for picking a sex-based name?

This tournament is complete nonsense, I'm a mid master player and probably better than half the people attending this tournament but I don't get to play just because I have a penis and they don't? Don't you see how wrong this is? Skill is the only effective measure in SC2, gender is an absolute non factor, being a girl doesn't make it harder for you. This is a general excuse for lazyness, they don't put in as much time and effort as male progamers do but they somehow feel entitled to have a right to play in tournaments for big prize money, they could if they put in the same amount of time and hard work, but they make themselves an easy way, they make their own tournaments and just exclude everyone who is better than them and the reason is that you need to have a vagina. Seriously?

edit: and yes please ban me for having an opinion. >.<

User was temp banned for this post.
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
November 11 2011 09:34 GMT
#187
On November 11 2011 14:47 lollyz wrote:
Where is Salyers'Eve ?


Maybe you could start reading the thread
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
iSTINGRAY
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden6 Posts
November 11 2011 09:34 GMT
#188
Where can I see the brackets and such? Go Laejten!!
yeah that's right
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
November 11 2011 09:46 GMT
#189
Should be a fun tournament to watch, and a great incentive to normalize female gaming. It will be interesting to see if there are many large skill gaps between the players, and where the best matches will stack up to others at the moment.

- Coming to watch out of curiosity and support - hoping to have enjoyed the games when its over.
Only by overcoming many obstacles does a river become - デイヴィ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ド
KMARTRULES2
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia149 Posts
November 11 2011 10:14 GMT
#190
Sounds cool, but I doubt that the actual tournament will be worth watching. The only player I recognise is flo and I know she got through a few rounds of the open bracket, but that's it.

We'll see I guess.
Spartan
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2030 Posts
November 11 2011 10:15 GMT
#191
aphrodite is going to take this.
# http://nkspartan.com (web engineer)
# TL member since July 2005; CEO of Vile Gaming; President of Team Vile
bigbigmac
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia10 Posts
November 11 2011 10:27 GMT
#192
Where's Pikachu?
"CHILL GET OUT" - NaNiwa, TSL3
KiLL_ORdeR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1518 Posts
November 11 2011 11:14 GMT
#193
Why no SlayersEve? Seems like an obvious invite to this tournament if you ask me.
In order to move forward, we must rid ourselves of that which holds us back. Check out my stream and give me tips! twitch.tv/intotheskyy
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 11:22:26
November 11 2011 11:21 GMT
#194
On November 11 2011 17:54 doko100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 12:03 Pugget wrote:
On November 11 2011 10:58 Shel wrote:
Comparing the inequality in a video game to racial inequality in real life isn't even close to an equal comparison.


True enough. It was more of an attempt at allegory than a statement that they were equal problems.

On November 11 2011 10:58 Shel wrote:
SC2, as with ALL video games, is indeed a meritocracy. If you have the skill, you win the games, you get noticed, you get a sponsor (and I'd think a female gamer would actually have an easier time of getting sponsors), and then you go to major events and perform at your best. And, for the record, there is a diamond player in this pool of women, so I guess the meritocracy isn't working as well as I just claimed.


An ideal meritocracy only exists under the condition that everyone 1) starts on an equal footing, and 2) completes in an environment that treats all equally. I would suggest that neither condition is fulfilled for women in SC2. It is far less likely that girls' parents and friends tolerate hours spent playing RTS games, partly because of a general lack of social acceptance for female gamers. The stereotype isn't there to normalize the activity. Then, women who do compete end up harassed and sexualized by a largely male community (a largely horny male community). That, needless to say, can serve to create a hostile environment.

Therefore why such tournaments are such a positive thing. Give role-models and provide a space free of harassment. Encourage more women to power through the B.S. they face being gamers.


This post is dumb. First of all, everyone has the same chances of winning in SC2, parenting has nothing to do with that, if your parents don't allow you to play alot then that sucks for you but this goes for boys and girls alike. So that is already a big bullshit excuse. Second of all, women don't usually get harrassed at all, it's the internet nobody knows what sex you are. of course if you use a name like "sexy girl 123" you kind of even deserve it. would people with names like "hot boy 2000" not get harrassed simply for picking a sex-based name?

This tournament is complete nonsense, I'm a mid master player and probably better than half the people attending this tournament but I don't get to play just because I have a penis and they don't? Don't you see how wrong this is? Skill is the only effective measure in SC2, gender is an absolute non factor, being a girl doesn't make it harder for you. This is a general excuse for lazyness, they don't put in as much time and effort as male progamers do but they somehow feel entitled to have a right to play in tournaments for big prize money, they could if they put in the same amount of time and hard work, but they make themselves an easy way, they make their own tournaments and just exclude everyone who is better than them and the reason is that you need to have a vagina. Seriously?

edit: and yes please ban me for having an opinion. >.<

User was temp banned for this post.


How is "women don't usually get harrassed at all" an opinion? If you knew any woman in esports you wouldn't be saying that. And if they ever want to add any friends on their sc2 account their real name (a female one for a female shockingly) it will get out one way or another no matter what their screen name is.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15325 Posts
November 11 2011 11:26 GMT
#195
It's alright, he just wanted a ban and he got it. No need to even reply.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
November 11 2011 11:45 GMT
#196
I would be very suprised if the Chinese player didn't win.
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1686 Posts
November 11 2011 11:53 GMT
#197
On November 11 2011 17:54 doko100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 12:03 Pugget wrote:
On November 11 2011 10:58 Shel wrote:
Comparing the inequality in a video game to racial inequality in real life isn't even close to an equal comparison.


True enough. It was more of an attempt at allegory than a statement that they were equal problems.

On November 11 2011 10:58 Shel wrote:
SC2, as with ALL video games, is indeed a meritocracy. If you have the skill, you win the games, you get noticed, you get a sponsor (and I'd think a female gamer would actually have an easier time of getting sponsors), and then you go to major events and perform at your best. And, for the record, there is a diamond player in this pool of women, so I guess the meritocracy isn't working as well as I just claimed.


An ideal meritocracy only exists under the condition that everyone 1) starts on an equal footing, and 2) completes in an environment that treats all equally. I would suggest that neither condition is fulfilled for women in SC2. It is far less likely that girls' parents and friends tolerate hours spent playing RTS games, partly because of a general lack of social acceptance for female gamers. The stereotype isn't there to normalize the activity. Then, women who do compete end up harassed and sexualized by a largely male community (a largely horny male community). That, needless to say, can serve to create a hostile environment.

Therefore why such tournaments are such a positive thing. Give role-models and provide a space free of harassment. Encourage more women to power through the B.S. they face being gamers.


This post is dumb. First of all, everyone has the same chances of winning in SC2, parenting has nothing to do with that, if your parents don't allow you to play alot then that sucks for you but this goes for boys and girls alike. So that is already a big bullshit excuse. Second of all, women don't usually get harrassed at all, it's the internet nobody knows what sex you are. of course if you use a name like "sexy girl 123" you kind of even deserve it. would people with names like "hot boy 2000" not get harrassed simply for picking a sex-based name?

This tournament is complete nonsense, I'm a mid master player and probably better than half the people attending this tournament but I don't get to play just because I have a penis and they don't? Don't you see how wrong this is? Skill is the only effective measure in SC2, gender is an absolute non factor, being a girl doesn't make it harder for you. This is a general excuse for lazyness, they don't put in as much time and effort as male progamers do but they somehow feel entitled to have a right to play in tournaments for big prize money, they could if they put in the same amount of time and hard work, but they make themselves an easy way, they make their own tournaments and just exclude everyone who is better than them and the reason is that you need to have a vagina. Seriously?

edit: and yes please ban me for having an opinion. >.<

User was temp banned for this post.


You'd probalby still lose to half of them being a mid masters player rofl.
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
November 11 2011 12:00 GMT
#198
On November 11 2011 17:36 Mithriel wrote:
oh man was hoping Slayers Eve would be invited so everyone could finally see how good she actually is.

Ill root for Laetjen, Sweden Fighting!!

Think she was traveling for some Razer stuff with SlayerS people.

I'll follow this tour for sure though, interested to see how the female scene is doing. Anna fighting!
Skeggaba
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1556 Posts
November 11 2011 12:11 GMT
#199
For everyone who´s a fan of female gaming should check out the ladies MSL from 05. Excellent spoiler free post below:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12208253

Enjoy!
Bisu[about JD]=I was scared (laughs). The force emanating from his facial expression was so manly that I was even a little jealous.
JBanKs
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom617 Posts
November 11 2011 12:12 GMT
#200
Live now guys! - Have the stream embed HERE.
Ex-StarTale manager // @BanKseSports on twitter
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