EPTWhite-Ra should be there tbh as well as Fenix and Sjow imo.
But from that list I would say HuK, SeleCT or ThorZain, maybe Naniwa in his best day.
[Poll] Best Foreigner? - Page 20
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
White-Ra should be there tbh as well as Fenix and Sjow imo. But from that list I would say HuK, SeleCT or ThorZain, maybe Naniwa in his best day. | ||
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Citadel.i
Canada52 Posts
SaSe fighting! | ||
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Lunas
253 Posts
Beating Huk and Sen still huge and saying they haven't proved them self at lans is just bullshit | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On September 25 2011 04:34 Zooper31 wrote: Voted for HuK as best foreigner atm because it's really hard to argue with him being the only foreigner currently in Code S and how dominating he's looking. Hero might give him a run for his money. Then I looked at the other poll about who should NOT be on the list. Idra is #1 with about 50% of the vote, then I sighed because I knew the trolls won. seriously? it aint trolling. any person with a brain can take a look at idra's performance over these past few months and understand that he doesn't deserve it. the trolls are the people who actually think idra is good compared to the rest. the fact is, the world has caught up to him. during the beta, his bw experience helped him power through enemies with macro. but now everyone can macro and he is being left in the dust. unless we see a DRAMATIC change within his training (moving to korea and playing like a madman), we are going to forget idra in a year. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On September 25 2011 04:41 LoLAdriankat wrote: It's not about his personal life which was set in stone before Starcraft even existed, it's about which scene he trained in. This completely. Select is a foreigner, hes been playing in NA/EU since the beginning. If he stays in Korea permanently this time we can call him Korean. Atm I'd say Huk/Jinro are also considered Korean since they've been living and practicing in Korea for quite some time now. | ||
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K3Nyy
United States1961 Posts
On September 25 2011 04:41 LoLAdriankat wrote: It's not about his personal life which was set in stone before Starcraft even existed, it's about which scene he trained in. Yup, this. I'm pretty sure this how it's classified otherwise the Koreans that play in NA would be considered Korean. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On September 25 2011 04:45 Golgotha wrote: seriously? it aint trolling. any person with a brain can take a look at idra's performance over these past few months and understand that he doesn't deserve it. the trolls are the people who actually think idra is good compared to the rest. the fact is, the world has caught up to him. during the beta, his bw experience helped him power through enemies with macro. but now everyone can macro and he is being left in the dust. unless we see a DRAMATIC change within his training (moving to korea and playing like a madman), we are going to forget idra in a year. Results > everything. Idra has them half the people on that list have none. Until that changes in their favor Idra deserves to be on that list. | ||
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sLBraemar
Canada285 Posts
On September 25 2011 04:28 RezChi wrote: If Selects a foreigner then i guess HuK, Naniwa, Thorzain, Jinro, and every "white" guy in Korea is korean. lol, SeleCT is in Korea and ThorZaIN is not anymore. | ||
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kedinik
United States352 Posts
On September 25 2011 04:40 MCDayC wrote: Select going back to Korea basically makes him a Korean now. He lives in Korea, he speaks Korean as his first language, he is Korean. I think it's pretty well understood that race and that stuff is completely irrelevant. "Foreigner" is more about where you trained and learned the game, and having the same race as the local Koreans does not make him magically lose his training ties with NA the second he enters the country. Though on the other hand, I would almost hesitate to even claim Huk as a foreigner because his current level of play is obviously a product of living and training in a local Korean team house for so long. Jinro, too. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On September 25 2011 04:46 Zooper31 wrote: Results > everything. Idra has them half the people on that list have none. Until that changes in their favor Idra deserves to be on that list. The question is not who the most successful player is (or in Idra's case, was at one time a couple months ago), but who is the best player outside of Korea right now. | ||
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mikyaJ
1834 Posts
On September 25 2011 04:43 TemplarCo. wrote: Ah SeleCT is from South Korea not from the US but he is, also I think that SaSe is a bit overrated and Stephano is not on the same page as HuK or ThorZain, and Sen, Kas and MaNa have not been playing as well as from the times of TSL 3. White-Ra should be there tbh as well as Fenix and Sjow imo. But from that list I would say HuK, SeleCT or ThorZain, maybe Naniwa in his best day. Except for Sen getting, you know, 3rd at NASL. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On September 25 2011 04:48 Bobster wrote: The question is not who the most successful player is (or in Idra's case, was at one time a couple months ago), but who is the best. No the question is who is not deserving to be on that list. Idra should in no way be at the top. I agree thought that Idra is currently doing badly and hes def not the best foreigner, but he's far from the worst we have to offer. | ||
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stork4ever
United States1036 Posts
On September 25 2011 02:56 SafeAsCheese wrote: Sen is going to get worse because he is in Taiwan, no longer playing KR servers and will get worse very quickly. Clarification : He is focusing on Taiwan esports and tourneys, he is not even top 200 on KR/TW ladder and doesn't practice as much there. Sen was always in Taiwan even when he was on Fanatic. And his practice partners if he even bothered with Fanatic...is as bad if not worst. The only thing that changed in his environment is that now he has regularly scheduled games and (presumably) practice time. If anything, the structured practices and the experience of playing live will make him better. He still has access to the Asian servers. While his opponents/team/tournaments are unknown to the non-Tawianese scene his situation has vastly improved. He is like like shaolin monk that disappears into some obscure mountain to train by himself and will return to civilization (foreign tournaments) to test his training. | ||
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VPlilky
United States12 Posts
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FlamingForce
Netherlands701 Posts
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Heathen
Philippines351 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On September 25 2011 04:52 Heathen wrote: Stephano beat alot of high tier koreans lately. So its Stephano 1 word, online. I'll wait till he goes to a LAN and stomps people before I judge how good he is. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On September 25 2011 04:50 Zooper31 wrote: No the question is who is not deserving to be on that list. Idra should in no way be at the top. I agree thought that Idra is currently doing badly and hes def not the best foreigner, but he's far from the worst we have to offer. ok i agree with that. he HAS done a lot more than a lot of the people on the Not Deserve List. Realistically he shouldn't be at the top. but perhaps it is because his decline has been so steep that people cannot but help mark him down? That is my thinking, cuz his results and his manner has created a dramatic downfall. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
Also, who deserves mentioning, at least in the second list - Tyler. edit: and god damn QXC, of course. o.O | ||
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