• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:42
CEST 12:42
KST 19:42
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy5uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event14Serral wins EWC 202549Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple5SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments5[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy Lambo Talks: The Future of SC2 and more... uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SEL Masters #5 - Korea vs Russia (SC Evo) Enki Epic Series #5 - TaeJa vs Classic (SC Evo) ByuN vs TaeJa Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Global Tourney for College Students in September
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather
Brood War
General
New season has just come in ladder ASL20 Pre-season Tier List ranking! BW General Discussion BSL Polish World Championship 2025 20-21 September ASL Season 20 Ro24 Groups
Tourneys
KCM 2025 Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI Bitcoin discussion thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Gaming After Dark: Poor Slee…
TrAiDoS
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 518 users

Starcraft 2 Science: Skillcraft's Study - Page 8

Forum Index > SC2 General
261 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 14 Next All
worldjr
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2 Posts
September 12 2011 20:18 GMT
#141
10/10 i been preaching about this. Now i have a link.
"I won't just be a memory"
AliceChild
Profile Joined April 2010
Chile26 Posts
September 12 2011 20:33 GMT
#142
Excellent read. Looking forward to an update.
Yippie Kai Yay
CrushDog5
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada207 Posts
September 12 2011 20:36 GMT
#143
On September 12 2011 17:05 Thorzain wrote:
Completed the survey. Excited about the results!


Hey Thorzain, it would be a big help if you could encourage other progamers you know to participate. An expertise study is only as good as its experts.
SkillCraft.com - StarCraft + Science
NemesysTV
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1088 Posts
September 12 2011 20:50 GMT
#144
Aw u gotta be 16+ T_T
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
September 12 2011 21:07 GMT
#145
awesome. I've always bragged being big into gaming has helped me in RL to some extent (esp my reaction time/hand-eye coordination from mucho FPS gaming and strategy has helped my multitasking) +1 for science! (and sc2 )
Wout
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands76 Posts
September 12 2011 21:18 GMT
#146
Submitted, good luck with the study. I'm looking forward to the results!
infinitum
Profile Joined April 2011
United States83 Posts
September 12 2011 21:20 GMT
#147
I have to say, the reason that parents limit the amount of time kids can play video games is because if they didn't, video games would supplant a lot of other extremely useful activity, like reading (which would be an unlikely thing to happen with piano). I know that was the case for me, and I am so glad that my parents limited my gaming time when I was a kid, because I would have played during all that time that I actually spent reading, and all that reading made me smart and educated.
Everything you know was forged from the remnants of a supernova.
price
Profile Joined December 2010
United States297 Posts
September 12 2011 21:45 GMT
#148
i hope you have a good way to filter out people who are in a certain league and probably should not be. perhaps controlling for game number gets rid of a lot of the noise there i guess if you use some sort of HMM (hidden markov modeling), you could probably predict these players by their significantly different replay style or even give a better rubric for determining MMR.

sounds very interesting!
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
ishyishy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
September 12 2011 21:56 GMT
#149
Yet where do you think the design of these simulators come from (e.g., air traffic controll, flight simulators)? They in partcome from studies such as this one; they are in part designed by experts on research in the field of expertise acquisition. The design of the simulation at your police academy or at the military training facility could very well be based on research done in different domains (e.g., chess, but now also SC2). Its the way it works


Simulators are first person.

I would love for you to read the research by De Groot and Chase and Simon as an example on what such research exactly entails and what implications and consequences there can be. For example, research on chess expertise has provided unique insights into our the way our memory functions and on expertise acquisition and development.


Ok so people have already done this research then? Using chess or w/e other game? Why does it need to be done again if they are going to come up with the same results? Waste of time and money.

Again, there is no arguement for using sc2 over a real-time simulation. It's a joke. Anyone that isnt a sc2 super fanboy can clearly see this.
CrushDog5
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada207 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-12 22:03:02
September 12 2011 22:00 GMT
#150
On September 13 2011 06:20 infinitum wrote:
I have to say, the reason that parents limit the amount of time kids can play video games is because if they didn't, video games would supplant a lot of other extremely useful activity, like reading (which would be an unlikely thing to happen with piano). I know that was the case for me, and I am so glad that my parents limited my gaming time when I was a kid, because I would have played during all that time that I actually spent reading, and all that reading made me smart and educated.


For some kids, that's probably true, and I certainly agree that parents need to take responsibility to making sure their kids are properly educated. I am a university professor who specializes in learning, after all.

But, I would argue that playing good games (games that exercise a variety of cognitive capacities) are excellent ways for a someone to spend time, and I see no reason that we should prefer a child to read Harry Potter six times, charming though it was, to making Silver as Random.

A healthy dose of games could have taught you something, too.



SkillCraft.com - StarCraft + Science
Nagu
Profile Joined November 2010
United States13 Posts
September 12 2011 22:06 GMT
#151
So awesome. I can't wait to see what kind of results you get from this.
SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
September 12 2011 22:10 GMT
#152
Wow, this is pretty amazing. I hope you guys get a lot of participation and support. Help legitimize esports! :D
"After I reconquer Ba Sing Se, I'm going to reconquer my tea shop! And I'm going to play Pai Sho every day."
AcrossFiveJulys
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States3612 Posts
September 12 2011 22:15 GMT
#153
I did the survey; I hope to see some interesting results soon!
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
September 12 2011 22:20 GMT
#154
cant wait to see some results
Inputting special characters into chat should no longer cause the game to crash.
Ygz
Profile Joined June 2010
England370 Posts
September 12 2011 22:22 GMT
#155
This is fantastic news. Can't wait to read more.
Everything Newton said.
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-12 22:35:48
September 12 2011 22:30 GMT
#156
On September 13 2011 07:00 CrushDog5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2011 06:20 infinitum wrote:
I have to say, the reason that parents limit the amount of time kids can play video games is because if they didn't, video games would supplant a lot of other extremely useful activity, like reading (which would be an unlikely thing to happen with piano). I know that was the case for me, and I am so glad that my parents limited my gaming time when I was a kid, because I would have played during all that time that I actually spent reading, and all that reading made me smart and educated.


For some kids, that's probably true, and I certainly agree that parents need to take responsibility to making sure their kids are properly educated. I am a university professor who specializes in learning, after all.

But, I would argue that playing good games (games that exercise a variety of cognitive capacities) are excellent ways for a someone to spend time, and I see no reason that we should prefer a child to read Harry Potter six times, charming though it was, to making Silver as Random.

A healthy dose of games could have taught you something, too.




It's hard to say what's better or worse IMO. I think its obvious that, say, reading, playing sports and playing SC2 are all good for kids, but it's hard to know the right amounts. For example, maybe playing SC2 is better than the sixth reading of Harry Potter, but what about the first, or second reading? Will someone get more out of being competitive at an SC2 tournament, or a tennis tournament?

In my opinion SC2 isn't outright better than any of those things, but it would be a cool way to spend your free time as a kid.

edit: kids have a lot of free time though, haha
BlackTactiks
Profile Joined May 2011
United States52 Posts
September 12 2011 22:31 GMT
#157
This is Epic lol...
Working Towards Greatness :)
neocron
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom505 Posts
September 12 2011 22:47 GMT
#158
This is cool, I will submit all my replays :D
CrushDog5
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada207 Posts
September 12 2011 22:51 GMT
#159
[B]On September 13 2011 07:30 Vul wrote:[/B

It's hard to say what's better or worse IMO. I think its obvious that, say, reading, playing sports and playing SC2 are all good for kids, but it's hard to know the right amounts. For example, maybe playing SC2 is better than the sixth reading of Harry Potter, but what about the first, or second reading? Will someone get more out of being competitive at an SC2 tournament, or a tennis tournament?

In my opinion SC2 isn't outright better than any of those things, but it would be a cool way to spend your free time as a kid.

edit: kids have a lot of free time though, haha



It's the mix that matters, as you say.

My point is that every parent I know would have no problem forcing their kids to go run around outside, or practice piano, or read a book, but none of them would insist that their children play a video game.
SkillCraft.com - StarCraft + Science
Chicks
Profile Joined October 2010
Ireland63 Posts
September 12 2011 22:55 GMT
#160
This sounds great, really interesting. My kids will be playing Starcraft instead of piano I'll participate, for science (and starcraft)! I'll do my best to spread the word.
I stream here - http://www.twitch.tv/chickstv
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 14 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 18m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Rex 54
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 18756
Bisu 1033
Jaedong 757
BeSt 355
Larva 319
Mini 280
Zeus 276
ggaemo 267
EffOrt 209
Rush 144
[ Show more ]
Last 129
Pusan 91
ZerO 65
Aegong 47
Backho 39
Sharp 36
Soma 35
sSak 33
SilentControl 28
yabsab 26
soO 21
scan(afreeca) 19
sorry 19
HiyA 17
ajuk12(nOOB) 13
Noble 12
Bale 12
IntoTheRainbow 8
zelot 8
JulyZerg 8
Hm[arnc] 5
Snow 1
Dota 2
XaKoH 517
XcaliburYe306
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1656
shoxiejesuss902
x6flipin465
allub174
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King88
Other Games
gofns6169
FrodaN2656
singsing1721
Happy378
DeMusliM210
Pyrionflax157
crisheroes118
Fuzer 114
SortOf80
QueenE29
ZerO(Twitch)7
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 28
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta25
• LUISG 18
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos826
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Summer Champion…
18m
The PondCast
23h 18m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d
Replay Cast
1d 13h
LiuLi Cup
2 days
Online Event
3 days
SC Evo League
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
CSO Contender
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4 days
SC Evo League
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Sharp vs Ample
Larva vs Stork
Wardi Open
5 days
RotterdaM Event
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
JyJ vs TY
Bisu vs Speed
WardiTV Summer Champion…
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Mini vs TBD
Soma vs sSak
Liquipedia Results

Completed

StarCon 2025 Philadelphia
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 20
CSLAN 3
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.