EPTStarcraft 2 Science: Skillcraft's Study - Page 7
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ReturnStroke
United States801 Posts
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ThE_OsToJiY
Canada1167 Posts
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TheNessman
United States4158 Posts
but my question is do you honestly think talent has nothing to do with it ? do you really think that if two people both played for 10k hours, they would still be equal? I believe that after all that time of practice, they could be equal, but more likely it will Become clear who is more talented, and that person will be better. (not including any weird 1v1 meta games between the players themselves) Maybe one of the players could catch up by playing more , but i believe talent is a real thing, does the OP disagree with that? | ||
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Zyori.tv
United States770 Posts
On September 13 2011 03:21 TheNessman wrote: This is REALLY Cool , and good luck and stuff but my question is do you honestly think talent has nothing to do with it ? do you really think that if two people both played for 10k hours, they would still be equal? I believe that after all that time of practice, they could be equal, but more likely it will Become clear who is more talented, and that person will be better. (not including any weird 1v1 meta games between the players themselves) Maybe one of the players could catch up by playing more , but i believe talent is a real thing, does the OP disagree with that? I think that's part of what they want to discover with this study. | ||
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JasKo
United States50 Posts
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Darth Caedus
United States326 Posts
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r_con
United States824 Posts
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
On September 13 2011 03:50 Darth Caedus wrote: This is super sexy. Color me excited. Nothing is sexier than academics. My experience with people who are highly successfully is that don't appear to have any superhuman abilities, and are in fact, normal human beings. Of course my experience is anecdotal, but I've never met an individual whose talent cannot be explained by hardwork. | ||
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Muffinman53
571 Posts
Gogo science! | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10382 Posts
But we need to realize that our vision clashes with most people’s understanding of gaming. If you walk around my neighborhood at 4pm you can hear cacophony of poorly tuned pianos making their way, in fits and starts, through the Harry Potter theme. Parents pay $1000 a year per child for piano lessons, and will encourage, cajole, badger and berate their kids into practicing for an hour a day, or more. Why aren’t parents bugging their kids to memorize TvT builds, or practice their 4-gate, or watch replays from their mandatory daily laddering session, or write an essay about how they can improve their game? Diligently mastering StarCraft 2 develops fine motor skills and strategic thinking, it trains both planning and time critical decision-making, it helps develop mental toughness, it encourages reflection and analysis, and it offers the myriad benefits of any serious pursuit; yet these rational, caring parents diligently limit their kids “screen time” to an hour a week. Thank you for this. This is a well developed paragraph that can help me and others explain to others why Starcraft is so valuable. | ||
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Milvus
Switzerland400 Posts
Holy cow, this is actually going to be important for a lot of other research areas. Imagine piano teachers taking concepts from Starcraft. There is only one possible end for that line of thought: a world of geeks. Scary!  Your description seems a bit APM focused at a first glance, but it is an interesting measurement after all. Please Liquidians participate, as such a data set is going to be very valuable for a lot of researchers out there! gl hf with your study! | ||
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GhostNova
Germany42 Posts
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CrushDog5
Canada207 Posts
On September 13 2011 03:21 TheNessman wrote: This is REALLY Cool , and good luck and stuff but my question is do you honestly think talent has nothing to do with it ? do you really think that if two people both played for 10k hours, they would still be equal? I believe that after all that time of practice, they could be equal, but more likely it will Become clear who is more talented, and that person will be better. (not including any weird 1v1 meta games between the players themselves) Maybe one of the players could catch up by playing more , but i believe talent is a real thing, does the OP disagree with that? It is surprising that deliberate practice accounts for so much of the results (at the highest level of expertise), but those are the facts as we know them. As I said in the OP, talent may be a real thing, and just be less influential over time. It's also interesting to think that perhaps you could call the ability to practice your ass off a talent, the talent for hard work. Even that talent, though, would be subject to change with experience. There are obvious cultural differences influences as well. I think there was a thread I saw a few days back that was arguing the best SC2 players come from countries were hard work, and the cultural belief that hard work will be rewarded with progress. That mirrors the interesting (non-academic) speculation from Malcom Gladwell that hard work ethic is in part based on agricultural differences in various parts of the world. | ||
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
It had a great flow to it and I had no problem just reading through the whole thing. I honestly would contribute but I really don't play enough ATM  Can't wait to see the finished project though. | ||
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Buffy
Sweden665 Posts
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Bwall
Sweden145 Posts
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niilzon
Belgium105 Posts
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MidnightSun001
Lithuania15 Posts
Loved your words on learning from gaming though, I wish more people saw that perception. | ||
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kota
Denmark84 Posts
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worldjr
United States2 Posts
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