On September 12 2011 03:20 BigLighthouse wrote: I guess this ivitational is going to be good and exciting to watch. But a bit of me does think its rotten to use this as a qualifier for Providence. I mean its hard enough for players not in the pools to get good rank points to try and qualify for it without losing a slot to a well known invited player.
This has NOTHING to do with seeding for Providence. The players that make it to the finals of the invitational will play it out live in Providence in parallel to the Pro Circuit National Championship. They will exist as 2 separate competitions.
Can the OP or a moderator edit the original post with my clarification on invites? Seems like the same comments are happening over and over due to 30 pages of discussion based on only the first post.
On September 11 2011 01:56 MLG_Adam wrote: A lot of the global matches will be cast from replay. We don't want to torture the players
On September 11 2011 01:54 DaNoob wrote: hmm...any way you could tell us which players declined? or is that some kind of privacy violation?
It is borderline disrespectful to players to officially announce this type of thing. We respect their decision not to participate and hope to have more competitors join in the future.
On September 11 2011 00:03 MLG_Adam wrote: One last time guys We invited a lot of European, NA, and Korean players that a) turned down the invite b) simply did not respond.
Admittedly it was on short notice, but again, we're very, very happy with the great line up we have. You guys might not like x, y, or z being invited, but you have to admit that this is a pretty damn good collection of players.
Also, I agree with people saying that consumers should complain when they see something they're not satisfied with. This tournament was meant as an add on for the HD service that Gold/Silver members already paid for, for more video content for our general fan base, and as a test of life for some ideas in 2012. We're doing our best, and even if all of the feedback over these 24 pages is not completely positive, it is still feedback and we appreciate it. Keep it coming, we need to hear the complaints with the praise if we ever want to make you guys relatively happy. (although we could drop $100 bills from the ceiling in Orlando and people would still not be happy about something )
Want more StarCraft 2 competition, featuring the best players from every corner of the globe? Of course you do. So do we. And now, we can all get what we want. Introducing the MLG Global StarCraft 2 Invitational. Over the next two months, 24 of the world's best players will compete in three regional brackets, featuring North America, Korea, and Europe. Each week, they will be going toe-to-toe online for prize money, bragging rights, and a shot at the Finals, which will be held live at the 2011 MLG National Championship in Providence, RI on Friday, November 18th. The Global Invitational and its Finals are entirely separate from the 2011 National Championship Event.
We are also incredibly happy to announce that MLG will be inviting the Blizzcon 2011 Champion to compete in the National Championship at MLG Providence, and we will be covering all of their expenses. The winner of Blizzcon will also earn a spot in the MLG Global Invitational Finals, alongside the three online regional Champions
The Players
MLG has reached out to some of the best players in the world from each of the three represented regions. Here are the full rosters:
Europe:
Naniwa Sjow Ret Haypro Thorzain White-Ra Jinro SaSe
North America:
Idra KiwiKaki Slush Sheth Tyler Major Destiny iNcontroL
Korea:
MMA MVP Losira Boxer Puma Hero Bomber CoCa
Full Schedule (All broadcasts begin at 7pm ET)
9/13/11 North America – Winners Round 1 9/15/11 Europe – Winners Round 1 9/20/11 Korea – Winners Round 1 9/22/11 North America – Winners Round 2 / Losers Round 1 9/27/11 Europe – Winners Round 2 / Losers Round 1 9/29/11 Korea – Winners Round 2 / Losers Round 1 10/4/11 North America – Losers Round 2 Europe – Losers Round 2 10/6/11 Korea – Losers Round 2 10/10/11 North America – Winners Finals / Losers Round 3 Europe -Winners Finals / Losers Round 3 10/18/11 Korea – Winners Finals / Losers Round 3 10/20/11 North America – Losers Finals / Finals Europe – Losers Finals / Finals 10/25/11 Korea – Losers Finals / Finals
Full Prize Breakdown
Regionals
1st in Region = $2,000 per player = $6,000 Total (plus all-expenses paid Providence trip) 2nd in Region = $1,000 per player = $3,000 Total 3rd in Region = $500 per player = $1,500 Total 4th in Region = $250 per player = $750 Total Blizzcon Winner = All-expenses paid Providence trip
Awesome!! But I think Morrow belongs on the Europe list, as well as Nestea on Korea obviously but he probably declined if he is not on it while Losira is.
On September 10 2011 07:37 Samp wrote: good line up but no huk/nestea? gonna be fun to watch! ;D
Most likely they declined. I doubt MLG would select inControl over his team-mate Huk. Huk has probably realized that his travel/play schedule is already ridiculously over-booked.
Looking nice. Most of the players are pretty good (although Destiny was a highly questionable choice compared to Select, Machine or even Trimaster), and should be some sick games.
Calling Thorzain Europe, Kiwikaki NA, and MVP Korea.
hard to believe they invited incontrol after his consistant poor performance in all recent events. Someone like DDE or QxGInka would be a much better choice. SMH ;(
1 korean protoss? Incontrol destiny and tyler? I guess MC and huk declined? >.>. Oh well I can't say I'm happy with the invites but I'm sure it will be good still.
I wonder how they chose "The best" for each region. Some of the people in EU and NA have not been performing well at MLG and some of them have not been attending many MLGs at all (if any).
If we look at the Koreans all of them have attended MLG but if you should look at MLG results DRG & MC should be two of them.
The Format Each bracket will consist of eight players from that region, who will compete in best-of-three matches in a double elimination tournament. In the end, the winner of each region will take home $2,000 in cash, and will also earn an all-expenses paid trip to MLG Providence, where they will take on the winners of the other two regions, and the Blizzcon Champion. These four players will play best-of-three matches in a single-elimination Finals for the Championship. The winner of the Global Invitational Finals will take home an additional $3,000, bringing the total winnings for 1st Place to $5,000.
I wonder what happens if MVP wins Blizzcon and this tourney, hehe.
Shame they will first have it drag on for 2 months before getting to the finals. I prefer short tournaments over leagues. Tend to lose interest after a few weeks. Just pick 2-3 of eache region and have them battle it out over a weekend.
They are inviting players who have participated in a lot of MLG events previously, fair enough. Inviting EU players who never bother to show up wouldn't particularly make sense. To be fair, it's mostly a result of mlg prize pool being too small unless you get a direct sponsorship
I'm so pumped for Providence now :D, there's going to be so many good players there! The best of the best swarming to New England, sounds like the start of a great vacation!
Why do tournament organisers insist on inviting some of the best players and then throwing in some mediocre (exaggerated) players - haypro, jinro, last 4 of NA and boxer shouldn't be in this tournament at all.
Not even mentioning the somewhat obvious liquid favouritism - the entire goddamn roster of liquid is invited. I wonder why.
incredibly weak EU invites. I question why, when you have 8 invities, there are only 3 arguably 4 players from EU top 10. Otherwise, will be interesting to follow.
So... the complexity guys go consistently through the open bracker, have gret runs at MLG. Hey lets invite Destiny!
I know he is popular, but FFS this is a tourney try to invite players who have been good at them. Really IMHO(and you are free to disagree) this feels like a slap in the face to the players. It would be cool if MLG said why the lineup is that way.
This seems more like a popularity contest than a invite to a prestigious tourney
What's the point in only inviting players that already go to MLG events? o.o I was hoping we'd get to see the real stars at MLG like Mana, Dimaga, Stephano, Nerchio, Elfi etc. Huge plus for Sase tho ^^.
dont worry NesTea will be there as BlizzCon winner and btw it is nice from MLG they want to reward players who played in MLG already but inviting DIMAGA, Nerchio or MaNa would make this event much more interesting
Poor Hero he stands alone to fight for Aiur against 5 terrans and two ZvP specialists. The world has a special hate for Protoss right now. My biased self will be rooting for Losira however, go go you little baneling obsessed monster ^-^
North America is pretty much Kiwi's to lose if he can show the strength he did at mlg. Sheth or Idra could take it though if they put their minds to it. NA is filled with players who are good when they want to be.
Europe could go to anyone really, with it being double elim and so spread out it allows for people to reevaluate losses and also prepare themselves better for the next match. Aside from Jinro and haypro who are in some sort of rebuilding themselves period everyone in the tournament is pretty damn dangerous. All of them have won and lost vs each other before and are generally aware of what makes the others tick. My personal hopes to win in order are Nani, Thorzain and then Sjow. I will not however be heartbroken if white-ra bosses it up ^-^
Edit: Would also love to see Sase go beast mode, he's been looking good on stream.
On September 10 2011 07:57 5unrise wrote: I agree with the above... I'm dissappointed that Stephano Mana Nerchio and Dimaga aren't there.... seems odd to have a EU ultimate lineup without them
The line up they have is very strong. It's an invitational. There are going to be a lot of great players not there.
On September 10 2011 07:57 5unrise wrote: I agree with the above... I'm dissappointed that Stephano Mana Nerchio and Dimaga aren't there.... seems odd to have a EU ultimate lineup without them
I don't understand why MLG would invite them to a tournament when they have yet to attend any of their open tournaments...
On September 10 2011 07:53 vilg wrote: incredibly weak EU invites. I question why, when you have 8 invities, there are only 3 arguably 4 players from EU top 10. Otherwise, will be interesting to follow.
lol those are very strong EU picks, you've no idea what you're talking about T_T
The only player that I could say is missing from EU squad is Mana, I luv watching his PvT
On September 10 2011 07:53 vilg wrote: incredibly weak EU invites. I question why, when you have 8 invities, there are only 3 arguably 4 players from EU top 10. Otherwise, will be interesting to follow.
lol those are very strong EU picks, you've no idea what you're talking about T_T
No, just no. There are way better players in Europe. Heard about Dimaga? Mana? Stephano? Nerchio?
i think some of the omissions were made to try not to overlap too much with the Blizzcon invites, creating a conflicting situation where someone has a double invite. that said, you kinda have to hope that MVP doesn't make it through his group in this. Because at Blizzcon if it ends up being an MVP vs. Nestea finals....well MVP is one of the few who always seems to have Nestea's number.
Woah! Very nice! I guess these will be like the Blizzcon Invitationals except online. These are some nice picks.
I think for the EU one, that Naniwa, Thorzain, or Ret are the most likely to win. Probably Idra or Sheth for NA(unless it's Tyler!!!!) I would guess MVP or Bomber for Korea.
On September 10 2011 07:53 vilg wrote: incredibly weak EU invites. I question why, when you have 8 invities, there are only 3 arguably 4 players from EU top 10. Otherwise, will be interesting to follow.
lol those are very strong EU picks, you've no idea what you're talking about T_T
No, just no. There are way better players in Europe. Heard about Dimaga? Mana? Stephano? Nerchio?
IMO, those invites are more deserving than the ones you mentioned (though I wouldn't mind a Haypro - Mana swap)
I'd rather whine about the USA picks if anything D:
Appreciate the effort, but the player-selection really is meh. Maybe you just want to give something back to the players who have attended your tournaments, but then say so in the criteria for selecting the players. This just seems, well, a bit ignorant.
On September 10 2011 07:53 vilg wrote: incredibly weak EU invites. I question why, when you have 8 invities, there are only 3 arguably 4 players from EU top 10. Otherwise, will be interesting to follow.
lol those are very strong EU picks, you've no idea what you're talking about T_T
No, just no. There are way better players in Europe. Heard about Dimaga? Mana? Stephano? Nerchio?
OK they can only pick so many players or who even accepts. I think besides maybe Jinro or Haypro it's all pretty strong.
1st in Region = $2,000 per player = $6,000 Total (plus all-expenses paid Providence trip) 2nd in Region = $1,000 per player = $3,000 Total 3rd in Region = $500 per player = $1,500 Total 4th in Region = $250 per player = $750 Total Blizzcon Winner = All-expenses paid Providence trip
Guys, every invitational can't have every single person in the top10 of their region. I would love to see dimaga, select, socke, etc, but i'm still super excited about the players they did invite.
On September 10 2011 07:53 vilg wrote: incredibly weak EU invites. I question why, when you have 8 invities, there are only 3 arguably 4 players from EU top 10. Otherwise, will be interesting to follow.
lol those are very strong EU picks, you've no idea what you're talking about T_T
No, just no. There are way better players in Europe. Heard about Dimaga? Mana? Stephano? Nerchio?
do you realize all the players in this tournament have been in a MLG?
Naniwa Sjow Ret Haypro should be replaced by Stephano or Nerchio, both outclass him by far Thorzain White-Ra Jinro should be replaced by Strelok/Sarens SaSe
On September 10 2011 08:06 Mikey wrote: is this a joke???? WHERE IS SELECT OR HUK OMG
Calm down, Select is likely focusing on IPl 3 and blizzcon ( he dropped out of the one Iem qualifier because he didn't have time to go to china should he have won if you recall). Huk is similarly likely cutting down on things he participates in so he can focus on his code s performances. Top players will smartly pick and choose how many events to participate in because even doing online tournaments interrupts training.
EAZ. Hope Destiny whoops IdrA though, would be awesome. I also think Destiny would do much better on the other side of the bracket, if he would have gotten seed 7 I could see him advance to the finals.
I think the prize pool from MLG has been really weak. MLG makes millions profit every year. They should be thankful for having a game that they can make so much money off of and increase the prize pool substantially imo. Its not like they can't afford it. ;((((
Wow really the line up for Korean has 1 single Protoss only? Really dude? And Tyler/Destiny/Incontrol? I mean if you base on MLG ranking there should be no Destiny in there cuz this guy never make it in the pools play ffs !
On September 10 2011 08:13 ReachTheSky wrote: I think the prize pool from MLG has been really weak. MLG makes millions profit every year. They should be thankful for having a game that they can make so much money off of and increase the prize pool substantially imo. Its not like they can't afford it. ;((((
Can you link to the profits MLG are making? Never seen any official numbers.
no huk, no nestea, no select, no MC. no nada, no july?
tyler, incontrol, and destiny?
I dont know whether or not any of these players declined, but the list of players (especially NA region) is definitely not "featuring the best players from around the globe."
I'm seriously waiting for the time when invite tournaments are going to stop inviting players purely based on popularity, and start making decisions based on skill or results.
I love how almost everybody is assuming that just because certain players aren't on the list, they didn't get invited. For all we know they did get an invite and they said no. for a variety of reasons. RL reasons, already in alot of tourneys, just want to focus on the national championship, etc. So everybody calm down and instead of being ungrateful and downers, applaud MLG for this.
This looks sick. I mean ofc NA lineup is a bit lackluster but still some good names there and EU/Korean are both sick so eitherway we are going to see some good SC2.
On September 10 2011 08:13 ReachTheSky wrote: I think the prize pool from MLG has been really weak. MLG makes millions profit every year. They should be thankful for having a game that they can make so much money off of and increase the prize pool substantially imo. Its not like they can't afford it. ;((((
Can you link to the profits MLG are making? Never seen any official numbers.
I don't remember where exactly i read it but it was a credible source. It just saddens me how greedy MLG is being with the amount of prize money they are giving out when the gamers(us) are the reason MLG can make so much money. I'll try and find what i read and post it for you.
On September 10 2011 08:13 ReachTheSky wrote: I think the prize pool from MLG has been really weak. MLG makes millions profit every year. They should be thankful for having a game that they can make so much money off of and increase the prize pool substantially imo. Its not like they can't afford it. ;((((
Can you link to the profits MLG are making? Never seen any official numbers.
I don't remember where exactly i read it but it was a credible source. It just saddens me how greedy MLG is being with the amount of prize money they are giving out when the gamers(us) are the reason MLG can make so much money. I'll try and find what i read and post it for you.
You positive it's millions in profit, and not revenue?
The Format Each bracket will consist of eight players from that region, who will compete in best-of-three matches in a double elimination tournament. In the end, the winner of each region will take home $2,000 in cash, and will also earn an all-expenses paid trip to MLG Providence, where they will take on the winners of the other two regions, and the Blizzcon Champion. These four players will play best-of-three matches in a single-elimination Finals for the Championship. The winner of the Global Invitational Finals will take home an additional $3,000, bringing the total winnings for 1st Place to $5,000.
I wonder what happens if MVP wins Blizzcon and this tourney, hehe.
Nestea is always a top contender for the gsl. Gsl prize money = way more money than MLG puts out. why would nestea want to skip out on a gsl where he has the best chances of winning for a tourney with a smaller prize pool?
On September 10 2011 08:13 ReachTheSky wrote: I think the prize pool from MLG has been really weak. MLG makes millions profit every year. They should be thankful for having a game that they can make so much money off of and increase the prize pool substantially imo. Its not like they can't afford it. ;((((
Can you link to the profits MLG are making? Never seen any official numbers.
I don't remember where exactly i read it but it was a credible source. It just saddens me how greedy MLG is being with the amount of prize money they are giving out when the gamers(us) are the reason MLG can make so much money. I'll try and find what i read and post it for you.
You positive it's millions in profit, and not revenue?
I'm pretty positive, i'll continue to search for the article i read and post the link.
Ok heres an article with an idea of what they made starting in 2006 till when this article/interview was published in 2009. So thats 3 years. profit:42.5 million. The scene is definitely much bigger now in general. I'm sure they make alot more than that. This is all profit btw. Even if they only threw an extra 50k for sc2 per mlg they would still be making bank. Plus who knows they might even make more from it since the stakes are so high.
On September 10 2011 08:20 ReachTheSky wrote: Nestea is always a top contender for the gsl. Gsl prize money = way more money than MLG puts out. why would nestea want to skip out on a gsl where he has the best chances of winning for a tourney with a smaller prize pool?
On September 10 2011 08:20 ReachTheSky wrote: Nestea is always a top contender for the gsl. Gsl prize money = way more money than MLG puts out. why would nestea want to skip out on a gsl where he has the best chances of winning for a tourney with a smaller prize pool?
for honor and glory you silly goose
Winning a tournament with the best players in the world > a tournament with many invites based on popularity and not skill.
Why is incontrol and destiny in this over players that are way better than them (no offense, just the truth)? HuK, Select, DDE, and like 20 other players that are more deserving than them...
Why no Huk, Select or dde? I'd even take Vibe over any of those players.
I guess they invited players from their ranking, since every player from EU is ranked pretty high. Many of the players you mentioned hasn't even competed in the MLG before.
Why no Huk, Select or dde? I'd even take Vibe over any of those players.
I guess they invited players from their ranking, since every player from EU is ranked pretty high. Many of the players you mentioned hasn't even competed in the MLG before.
I'm pretty sure Destiny is nowhere on the ranking cuz this guy never make it into the pools play.
Why no Huk, Select or dde? I'd even take Vibe over any of those players.
I guess they invited players from their ranking, since every player from EU is ranked pretty high. Many of the players you mentioned hasn't even competed in the MLG before.
Well, yeah, but from a viewer's or tournament organiser's perspective, what's the point in financing trips to MLG for players who would have come anyway? And there's like 5-6 of those in the bracket.
I see Kiwi or IdrA taking it for NA. Sheth may or may not have a better chance against kiwi, but IdrA's serious-face ZvZ is pretty damn good so when he hits IdrA, he will probably lose.
MVP probably for SK, but I'd be happy with a Puma win. Losira and Bomber, even MMA all have chances though because TvT can be kinda volatile and Losira is really good.
I want to say Naniwa/Thorzain, possibly SaSe for EU
Why no Huk, Select or dde? I'd even take Vibe over any of those players.
I guess they invited players from their ranking, since every player from EU is ranked pretty high. Many of the players you mentioned hasn't even competed in the MLG before.
then how did they invite destiny who barely has any ranking points? or Sase who has never competed at any MLG ? and why arent TLO or Socke invited then who have more ranking points than Jinro, thorzain or whitera? and also whats the points of inviting 6 swedes? lol wheres the diversity? Why wouldnt they try to use this to get new europeans to mlg who didnt see any reason to fly over before instead of inviting those who attend anyways (and some of whom are significantly worse than other potential invites.)
destiny and incontrol are weird choices for NA. NA doesn't have a lot of good players though. There are a lot better players in europe than some of the ones listed but overall this isn't too bad.
Well these brackets are interesting. Round 1 EU: 1. Both Nani and Sase are godly at pvp, this will either be an interesting match or a series of fourgates. 2. No offense but Thorzain will probably stomp Haypro even with his weakness to zerg. 3 Ret vs white-ra could go to either player 4. Sjow vs Jinro: My money is on Sjow what with Jinro slumping but Sjow's TvT quality fluctuates enough that Jinro could certainly take this if he put the effort in.
NA: 1. I love Destiny to bits but ZvZ is Idra's strongest matchup if I'm not mistaken. 2. Sheth should have zero problems beating incontrol ( again no offense) 3. Slush vs tyler comes down to who wants it more. 4. Kiwi should beat major if he brings the same quality of skills he brought to the last mlg.
Korea 1. Mvp vs Puma ... no fucking clue man no fucking clue. My heart says Mvp though. 2. Bomber is the favourite but we do know he is not unbeatable. I think how much Coca dwells on mlg could play a factor here. 3. Could go either way, both players are well aware of how the other plays and how best to beat them. possibly the most interesting round one matchup we can get. 4. Hero shows a lot of promise but Losira's best matchup is versus protoss so i expect the IM zerg to pull out a win here.
rofl why destiny... for real.. select, rain or any decent player would be a better choice... But im also interested to see how this goes man. Hope this tourney is after 1.4 patch takes place
I think all the groups are weird....its not "the best player" from every region as the OP says Still Im gonna watch it.....but Im not impressed by the players selection...It should be called "most available players at this time from every region"....my beef is just the hype thats all :D
Why no Huk, Select or dde? I'd even take Vibe over any of those players.
I guess they invited players from their ranking, since every player from EU is ranked pretty high. Many of the players you mentioned hasn't even competed in the MLG before.
then how did they invite destiny who barely has any ranking points? or Sase who has never competed at any MLG ? and why arent TLO or Socke invited then who have more ranking points than Jinro, thorzain or whitera? and also whats the points of inviting 6 swedes? lol wheres the diversity? Why wouldnt they try to use this to get new europeans to mlg who didnt see any reason to fly over before instead of inviting those who attend anyways (and some of whom are significantly worse than other potential invites.)
True, didn't think of Sase. It was just a guess. And we don't know that they didn't invite players like TLO or Socke, maybe they did but they said no? Or maybe they didn't. I can agree that 6 swedes is kind of over the top. Maybe we will get some hint or statement from MLG about the reasoning behind the invites.
The Format Each bracket will consist of eight players from that region, who will compete in best-of-three matches in a double elimination tournament. In the end, the winner of each region will take home $2,000 in cash, and will also earn an all-expenses paid trip to MLG Providence, where they will take on the winners of the other two regions, and the Blizzcon Champion. These four players will play best-of-three matches in a single-elimination Finals for the Championship. The winner of the Global Invitational Finals will take home an additional $3,000, bringing the total winnings for 1st Place to $5,000.
I wonder what happens when MVP wins Blizzcon and this tourney, hehe.
what. the. iNcontroL, tyler, destiny? sorry mlg but i thought you would have learnt from last mlg. Atleast bring a darkhorse in like trimaster or something.
Otherwise, great idea ^^. But all the koreans will probably roll the na if it comes to it.
On September 10 2011 08:36 Radook wrote: Would guess Select really focusing on 100% practice while hes in Korea to get as much as possible out of his stay there.
I don't mind any of the invites just happy for more SC2, can't always have all the top players at each event/tournament.
It's not just that...I mean 1 korean protoss...why? I mean even if MC declined...I'm sure puzzle would go. It's just frustrating as a protoss player to know the inevitable stomping that and TvT that will occur T_T
On September 10 2011 07:37 ProtossPenny wrote: Awesome!! But I think Morrow belongs on the Europe list, as well as Nestea on Korea obviously but he probably declined if he is not on it while Losira is.
I'm guessing that MC is really focused on getting back into code S right now, and he's the only korean P besides hero who has attended MLG. Remember, they only invite those who attend MLGs, so mana, stephano, nerchio, dimaga, strelok are all out of the question. Although I would love to see Socke over haypro.... And Select and huk probably also declined invites to focus on GSL, but I would've rather had trimaster in over destiny if anything.
wow this is kinda awesome, I'm sure SeleCT had his reasons =( kinda makes me sad, be nice to have rain DeMu SeleCT HuK in there but it should be good nonetheless
On September 10 2011 07:37 ProtossPenny wrote: Awesome!! But I think Morrow belongs on the Europe list, as well as Nestea on Korea obviously but he probably declined if he is not on it while Losira is.
These are only people that have been at an mlg.
Morrow has been at MLG. Sase, who is invited, hasnt lol
I think at least Mana should have been on EU list if not Nerchio. Probably instead of Jinro/Haypro. Not only are they probably top 4 (with Naniwa and Thorzain) Europeans, but also would make it more EU and less Sweden
EDIT: Also poor White-ra and Hero, they got scariest Zergs of the region in PvZ and I do not see them winning.
On September 10 2011 08:18 FabledIntegral wrote: Lack of MC/HuK/Nestea makes me sad.
Still disappointed with the really small prize pools for MLG, but besides that, I enjoy MLG more than the GSL!
On September 10 2011 08:18 ReachTheSky wrote:
On September 10 2011 08:15 Radook wrote:
On September 10 2011 08:13 ReachTheSky wrote: I think the prize pool from MLG has been really weak. MLG makes millions profit every year. They should be thankful for having a game that they can make so much money off of and increase the prize pool substantially imo. Its not like they can't afford it. ;((((
Can you link to the profits MLG are making? Never seen any official numbers.
I don't remember where exactly i read it but it was a credible source. It just saddens me how greedy MLG is being with the amount of prize money they are giving out when the gamers(us) are the reason MLG can make so much money. I'll try and find what i read and post it for you.
You positive it's millions in profit, and not revenue?
I'm pretty positive, i'll continue to search for the article i read and post the link.
Ok heres an article with an idea of what they made starting in 2006 till when this article/interview was published in 2009. So thats 3 years. profit:42.5 million. The scene is definitely much bigger now in general. I'm sure they make alot more than that. This is all profit btw. Even if they only threw an extra 50k for sc2 per mlg they would still be making bank. Plus who knows they might even make more from it since the stakes are so high.
On September 10 2011 08:46 Swad1000 wrote: NA really needs some more high level players if that is our roster. After Incontrols showmatches and performances I have no clue why hes in this.
Qxc? Trimaster?
There has to be others who can actually play more then 1 style or rely on all ins/cheese to pull out a victory that im missing.
Its as someone else said earlier, nearly all the NA invites are based on popularity, NA is in a sad state of affairs.
On September 10 2011 08:50 mcc wrote: I think at least Mana should have been on EU list if not Nerchio. Probably instead of Jinro/Haypro. Not only are they probably top 4 (with Naniwa and Thorzain) Europeans, but also would make it more EU and less Sweden
Nerchio would be imba and have a chance at making r08 if not higher.
On September 10 2011 08:18 FabledIntegral wrote: Lack of MC/HuK/Nestea makes me sad.
Still disappointed with the really small prize pools for MLG, but besides that, I enjoy MLG more than the GSL!
On September 10 2011 08:18 ReachTheSky wrote:
On September 10 2011 08:15 Radook wrote:
On September 10 2011 08:13 ReachTheSky wrote: I think the prize pool from MLG has been really weak. MLG makes millions profit every year. They should be thankful for having a game that they can make so much money off of and increase the prize pool substantially imo. Its not like they can't afford it. ;((((
Can you link to the profits MLG are making? Never seen any official numbers.
I don't remember where exactly i read it but it was a credible source. It just saddens me how greedy MLG is being with the amount of prize money they are giving out when the gamers(us) are the reason MLG can make so much money. I'll try and find what i read and post it for you.
You positive it's millions in profit, and not revenue?
I'm pretty positive, i'll continue to search for the article i read and post the link.
Ok heres an article with an idea of what they made starting in 2006 till when this article/interview was published in 2009. So thats 3 years. profit:42.5 million. The scene is definitely much bigger now in general. I'm sure they make alot more than that. This is all profit btw. Even if they only threw an extra 50k for sc2 per mlg they would still be making bank. Plus who knows they might even make more from it since the stakes are so high.
awesome event but a bit disapointed to see again and again incontrol in... i'm not a hater, but this guy didnt show anything since a while, and i'm sure there are better players who surely want to show up. same for Tyler. They're just here because of bigs names.
On September 10 2011 08:58 breadcat wrote: EU lineup is a bit lackluster. There are definatly better players in EU than Sjow, Haypro, Jinro and SaSe. Probably not gonna watch it.
Sases training hard in Korea right now and is rocking high gm Sjow was complimented by Bomber for having Code S Tvt or something like that Jinro seems to be streaming/playing like mad lately. Can always bounce back Never bet against Banjo
On September 10 2011 08:58 breadcat wrote: EU lineup is a bit lackluster. There are definatly better players in EU than Sjow, Haypro, Jinro and SaSe. Probably not gonna watch it.
Sjow and Sase is pretty good choice imo. Sjow ranked highest as foreigner in the last MLG. Not Haypro cuz this guy shy like a little school girl lol(jk) and Jinro is not really in a good shape anymore.
On September 10 2011 08:58 breadcat wrote: EU lineup is a bit lackluster. There are definatly better players in EU than Sjow, Haypro, Jinro and SaSe. Probably not gonna watch it.
Sases training hard in Korea right now and is rocking high gm Sjow was complimented by Bomber for having Code S Tvt or something like that Jinro seems to be streaming/playing like mad lately. Can always bounce back Never bet against Banjo
Its not like anyone said they are bad, far from it, just there are quite a number of players that are much better than at least Haypro/Jinro and probably even Sjow/Sase.
On September 10 2011 08:18 FabledIntegral wrote: Lack of MC/HuK/Nestea makes me sad.
Still disappointed with the really small prize pools for MLG, but besides that, I enjoy MLG more than the GSL!
On September 10 2011 08:18 ReachTheSky wrote:
On September 10 2011 08:15 Radook wrote:
On September 10 2011 08:13 ReachTheSky wrote: I think the prize pool from MLG has been really weak. MLG makes millions profit every year. They should be thankful for having a game that they can make so much money off of and increase the prize pool substantially imo. Its not like they can't afford it. ;((((
Can you link to the profits MLG are making? Never seen any official numbers.
I don't remember where exactly i read it but it was a credible source. It just saddens me how greedy MLG is being with the amount of prize money they are giving out when the gamers(us) are the reason MLG can make so much money. I'll try and find what i read and post it for you.
You positive it's millions in profit, and not revenue?
I'm pretty positive, i'll continue to search for the article i read and post the link.
Ok heres an article with an idea of what they made starting in 2006 till when this article/interview was published in 2009. So thats 3 years. profit:42.5 million. The scene is definitely much bigger now in general. I'm sure they make alot more than that. This is all profit btw. Even if they only threw an extra 50k for sc2 per mlg they would still be making bank. Plus who knows they might even make more from it since the stakes are so high.
Professional video game league Major League Gaming announced that it secured a $7.5 million investment from Oak Investment Partners.
The same venture capital firm previously invested $25 million into the company in Series B funding in 2006. Prior to that, Major League Gaming gained $10 million in a Series A round from Ritchie Capital.
Too many Swedes on the EU list to be honest. Looks like they were going for MLG players, but then why is Sase invited (love him but there were enough Swedes already, spread the love around). They should at least have replaced Jinro and Haypro with Mana and Nerchio and Dimaga instead of Sjow or Sase.
NA list is missing select and Huk, a bit sad about seeing Destiny and Tyler in it, neither of them are contenders, kind of boring.
KR is missing DongRaeGu but otherwise as good as they could have got from MLG koreans, they're all great so no big deal.
bit shame alot of ppl are buisy in korea. but pretty good lineups, no complaining.
bit of a side note: Damn the prize money at MLG is laugheble. I mean every MLG is stacked, they close the doors cause they cant let more people in. And like tens of thousends are watching their streams with commercials and thousands are paying for the HD streams. Still its like five grand for 1st place? I mean come on... I mean its like the monthly tournament at you're nearest pc cafe... damn shame...
On September 10 2011 09:10 Stark1 wrote: MLG is seriously wasting invites on Destiny and Incontrol? Surely the NA scene isn't that deprived of talent....?
They are obviously aiming for as many viewers as possible since they are trying this new format. There is absolutely no reason for them to invite Destiny over players who have made it way further than him in past MLGs, if that wasn't the case.
On September 10 2011 08:18 FabledIntegral wrote: Lack of MC/HuK/Nestea makes me sad.
Still disappointed with the really small prize pools for MLG, but besides that, I enjoy MLG more than the GSL!
On September 10 2011 08:18 ReachTheSky wrote:
On September 10 2011 08:15 Radook wrote:
On September 10 2011 08:13 ReachTheSky wrote: I think the prize pool from MLG has been really weak. MLG makes millions profit every year. They should be thankful for having a game that they can make so much money off of and increase the prize pool substantially imo. Its not like they can't afford it. ;((((
Can you link to the profits MLG are making? Never seen any official numbers.
I don't remember where exactly i read it but it was a credible source. It just saddens me how greedy MLG is being with the amount of prize money they are giving out when the gamers(us) are the reason MLG can make so much money. I'll try and find what i read and post it for you.
You positive it's millions in profit, and not revenue?
I'm pretty positive, i'll continue to search for the article i read and post the link.
Ok heres an article with an idea of what they made starting in 2006 till when this article/interview was published in 2009. So thats 3 years. profit:42.5 million. The scene is definitely much bigger now in general. I'm sure they make alot more than that. This is all profit btw. Even if they only threw an extra 50k for sc2 per mlg they would still be making bank. Plus who knows they might even make more from it since the stakes are so high.
Professional video game league Major League Gaming announced that it secured a $7.5 million investment from Oak Investment Partners.
The same venture capital firm previously invested $25 million into the company in Series B funding in 2006. Prior to that, Major League Gaming gained $10 million in a Series A round from Ritchie Capital.
Total? 42.5 million.
Did you read the article clearly that i posted? Investment and profits are 2 different things right? If i'm wrong please correct me.
this is pretty retarded, NA has a fucking awful line up and they definitely didn't get the best of NA where as i feel they got some of the best and the rest really good for the other servers. NA gonna get raped.
For all the people that think Destiny is undeserving.....
Destiny did beat BOMBER in a bo3 in some event at one point not too long ago. Destiny beat Puzzle on stream several games in a row on multiple servers.
He can definitely compete with the best. However, i do think that he needs to prove himself more at lan events.
On another somewhat related subject, How good will destiny perform post patch once infestors get nerfed?
On September 10 2011 09:17 Herculix wrote: this is pretty retarded, NA has a fucking awful line up and they definitely didn't get the best of NA where as i feel they got some of the best and the rest really good for the other servers. NA gonna get raped.
Out of curiosity who are the best in NA? Sadly even Idra isn't really a global contender any more, and he's probably the best non-Huk player to come from NA.
On September 10 2011 08:18 FabledIntegral wrote: Lack of MC/HuK/Nestea makes me sad.
Still disappointed with the really small prize pools for MLG, but besides that, I enjoy MLG more than the GSL!
On September 10 2011 08:18 ReachTheSky wrote:
On September 10 2011 08:15 Radook wrote:
On September 10 2011 08:13 ReachTheSky wrote: I think the prize pool from MLG has been really weak. MLG makes millions profit every year. They should be thankful for having a game that they can make so much money off of and increase the prize pool substantially imo. Its not like they can't afford it. ;((((
Can you link to the profits MLG are making? Never seen any official numbers.
I don't remember where exactly i read it but it was a credible source. It just saddens me how greedy MLG is being with the amount of prize money they are giving out when the gamers(us) are the reason MLG can make so much money. I'll try and find what i read and post it for you.
You positive it's millions in profit, and not revenue?
I'm pretty positive, i'll continue to search for the article i read and post the link.
Ok heres an article with an idea of what they made starting in 2006 till when this article/interview was published in 2009. So thats 3 years. profit:42.5 million. The scene is definitely much bigger now in general. I'm sure they make alot more than that. This is all profit btw. Even if they only threw an extra 50k for sc2 per mlg they would still be making bank. Plus who knows they might even make more from it since the stakes are so high.
Professional video game league Major League Gaming announced that it secured a $7.5 million investment from Oak Investment Partners.
The same venture capital firm previously invested $25 million into the company in Series B funding in 2006. Prior to that, Major League Gaming gained $10 million in a Series A round from Ritchie Capital.
Total? 42.5 million.
Did you read the article clearly that i posted? Investment and profits are 2 different things right? If i'm wrong please correct me.
DD: How much money have you taken in to date?
MB: We have raised about $42.5M.
You think it's a coincidence that the numbers are the same? Notice the terminology he used as well, "raised" instead of "earned". Raising money and earning money are two very different things.
I agree with your NA and KR top 3. EU, however... it's really hard for me to tell, as all of them seem like good players, but I don't think Thorzain will make top 3. Ret, Sjow, and Nani all have a good shot I think, and definitely White-ra if he's in good form.
On September 10 2011 07:53 greggy wrote: Why do tournament organisers insist on inviting some of the best players and then throwing in some mediocre (exaggerated) players - haypro, jinro, last 4 of NA and boxer shouldn't be in this tournament at all.
Not even mentioning the somewhat obvious liquid favouritism - the entire goddamn roster of liquid is invited. I wonder why.
Because tournament organizers are looking for viewers so that their sponsors are happy. The lineup is prett ideal for that. I would question the occlusion of Huk or MC, but that is probably schedule related.
I agree with your NA and KR top 3. EU, however... it's really hard for me to tell, as all of them seem like good players, but I don't think Thorzain will make top 3. Ret, Sjow, and Nani all have a good shot I think, and definitely White-ra if he's in good form.
I think ThorZain will eat any non-Mana protoss for breakfast And since he was practicing in SlayerS house lately his already cool TvZ might have improved a lot.
On September 10 2011 08:18 FabledIntegral wrote: Lack of MC/HuK/Nestea makes me sad.
Still disappointed with the really small prize pools for MLG, but besides that, I enjoy MLG more than the GSL!
On September 10 2011 08:18 ReachTheSky wrote:
On September 10 2011 08:15 Radook wrote:
On September 10 2011 08:13 ReachTheSky wrote: I think the prize pool from MLG has been really weak. MLG makes millions profit every year. They should be thankful for having a game that they can make so much money off of and increase the prize pool substantially imo. Its not like they can't afford it. ;((((
Can you link to the profits MLG are making? Never seen any official numbers.
I don't remember where exactly i read it but it was a credible source. It just saddens me how greedy MLG is being with the amount of prize money they are giving out when the gamers(us) are the reason MLG can make so much money. I'll try and find what i read and post it for you.
You positive it's millions in profit, and not revenue?
I'm pretty positive, i'll continue to search for the article i read and post the link.
Ok heres an article with an idea of what they made starting in 2006 till when this article/interview was published in 2009. So thats 3 years. profit:42.5 million. The scene is definitely much bigger now in general. I'm sure they make alot more than that. This is all profit btw. Even if they only threw an extra 50k for sc2 per mlg they would still be making bank. Plus who knows they might even make more from it since the stakes are so high.
Professional video game league Major League Gaming announced that it secured a $7.5 million investment from Oak Investment Partners.
The same venture capital firm previously invested $25 million into the company in Series B funding in 2006. Prior to that, Major League Gaming gained $10 million in a Series A round from Ritchie Capital.
Total? 42.5 million.
Did you read the article clearly that i posted? Investment and profits are 2 different things right? If i'm wrong please correct me.
They are two different things, and he was clearly referring to investment in the article. Like I've been repeatedly telling you, it was never implied to be profits, and I'm still surprised you can't see that.
This looks awesome except for a few things. Just going to run down what I don't like first before I say how much I love this.
First, iNcontrol, why does he still get invited to tournaments like he is a top tier player, stop it. I understand the NA invites are pretty lacking overall, but come on. Why not invite Select over him, or Rain who has been living in NA for awhile; I'd even be fine with pretending Huk is still a "foreigner" to avoid inviting iNcontrol to this.
Second, how were the players even selected?? I mean from looking at Korean invites it could be argued by MLG points, but then you look at some of the NA/EU invites and it seems like some were invited due to popularity and not MLG points. I could be wrong about this since I haven't looked at everyones' points that has been invited, but just how it seems.
Other than those two gripes which I can definitely overlook, this tournament looks awesome. MLG has really been amazing for SC2 and I'm so glad they have been able to push SC2 and esports into the world. The amount of exposure it's getting is amazing. Can't wait for this tournament, and all the epicness to come.
On another subject of how the attendees are selected.... If they want the best of the best for any competition in general i feel that they should have held a qualifier for this event inviting all the top players to compete for a spot. The better players will most likely advance thus providing with the top end of the competition. If someone loses and doesn't qualify then they obviously didn't deserve to be there. I mean how else did these people get there in the first place. With the current system being used we get to see some "washed up/slumped/not nearly as good as they were/people think they were player type" talent mixed with top talent. Why not just have only top talent that will produce the best games? Best games=best entertainment in my eyes. Who else wants to see one sided games? they are boring.
On September 10 2011 09:17 Herculix wrote: this is pretty retarded, NA has a fucking awful line up and they definitely didn't get the best of NA where as i feel they got some of the best and the rest really good for the other servers. NA gonna get raped.
Out of curiosity who are the best in NA? Sadly even Idra isn't really a global contender any more, and he's probably the best non-Huk player to come from NA.
Sheth, Select and Kiwikaki are all really good andon a similar/better level than idra. (imo) dde, Slush, major and Cruncher also arent bad.
On September 10 2011 09:20 ReachTheSky wrote: For all the people that think Destiny is undeserving.....
Destiny did beat BOMBER in a bo3 in some event at one point not too long ago. Destiny beat Puzzle on stream several games in a row on multiple servers.
He can definitely compete with the best. However, i do think that he needs to prove himself more at lan events.
On another somewhat related subject, How good will destiny perform post patch once infestors get nerfed?
Some would say Destinys success is due to infestors.
No offense... why tyler and incontrol? Both very good, but compared to the top KR and EU lineup, they will fall. Tyler is good, but he doesn't get much practice time.
On September 10 2011 09:20 ReachTheSky wrote: For all the people that think Destiny is undeserving.....
Destiny did beat BOMBER in a bo3 in some event at one point not too long ago. Destiny beat Puzzle on stream several games in a row on multiple servers.
He can definitely compete with the best. However, i do think that he needs to prove himself more at lan events.
On another somewhat related subject, How good will destiny perform post patch once infestors get nerfed?
Some would say Destinys success is due to infestors.
Thats exactly what i was thinking. It will be interesting to see how well he performs post patch.
I don't want to sound like a dick but why in control and destiny? Could they not get player better that them? I like them but this is supposed to be a great competition and they haven't done anything to deserve an invite instr people like select.
On September 10 2011 09:44 GrapeD wrote: I don't want to sound like a dick but why in control and destiny? Could they not get player better that them? I like them but this is supposed to be a great competition and they haven't done anything to deserve an invite instr people like select.
cuz it's NA... Not too many to chose from if they want a somewhat decent race distribution
On September 10 2011 09:44 GrapeD wrote: I don't want to sound like a dick but why in control and destiny? Could they not get player better that them? I like them but this is supposed to be a great competition and they haven't done anything to deserve an invite instr people like select.
On September 10 2011 09:29 GenoZStriker wrote: According to Sundance the invites were based off
Does it not seem strange to anybody else that players arnt wanting to come when its at the national championships which i would have thought the top players are at anyway. Or am i miss understanding it and they are not at the same venue/rough time.
On September 10 2011 09:17 Herculix wrote: this is pretty retarded, NA has a fucking awful line up and they definitely didn't get the best of NA where as i feel they got some of the best and the rest really good for the other servers. NA gonna get raped.
Out of curiosity who are the best in NA? Sadly even Idra isn't really a global contender any more, and he's probably the best non-Huk player to come from NA.
hmm, the best in NA are Idra, Huk, Slush, Kiwikaki, Sheth, Cruncher, Drewbie, qxc and if you count Demuslim then him too. even though Trimaster has only done well in 1 tournament he's been owning people for a few months now, it's just hard to get through open bracket of MLG and he even did that. there's like 6 people there that should've been invited over Tyler/Incontrol/Destiny at least. EU is still stronger in general but it's kind of disappointing, the invites we have
On September 10 2011 09:20 ReachTheSky wrote: For all the people that think Destiny is undeserving.....
Destiny did beat BOMBER in a bo3 in some event at one point not too long ago. Destiny beat Puzzle on stream several games in a row on multiple servers.
He can definitely compete with the best. However, i do think that he needs to prove himself more at lan events.
On another somewhat related subject, How good will destiny perform post patch once infestors get nerfed?
Some would say Destinys success is due to infestors.
Ladder doesn't mean much...most Koreans don't take it that seriously. IMO some of the na invites were picked just cause NA doesn't have alot of top tier players... That being said, surprised select/huk aren't in there
On September 10 2011 09:17 Herculix wrote: this is pretty retarded, NA has a fucking awful line up and they definitely didn't get the best of NA where as i feel they got some of the best and the rest really good for the other servers. NA gonna get raped.
Out of curiosity who are the best in NA? Sadly even Idra isn't really a global contender any more, and he's probably the best non-Huk player to come from NA.
hmm, the best in NA are Idra, Huk, Slush, Kiwikaki, Sheth, Cruncher, Drewbie, qxc and if you count Demuslim then him too. even though Trimaster has only done well in 1 tournament he's been owning people for a few months now, it's just hard to get through open bracket of MLG and he even did that. there's like 6 people there that should've been invited over Tyler/Incontrol/Destiny at least. EU is still stronger in general but it's kind of disappointing, the invites we have
Jesus Christ you don't event count SeleCT the guy who fucking won Bnet invitation for NA???
Looks pretty sweet though. Player pool is interesting, but I'm sure there are good reasons why some bigger names aren't in there, and as a Tyler fanboy I'm pumped.
On September 10 2011 09:48 RmoteCntrld wrote: iNcontrol, Destiny, and Tyler over HuK and Select.... lol
Jesus, at least read some of the posts besides the OP before posting, Huk and Select both declined their invites, so stop making it seem like MLG chose those 3 over the 2.
On September 10 2011 09:17 Herculix wrote: this is pretty retarded, NA has a fucking awful line up and they definitely didn't get the best of NA where as i feel they got some of the best and the rest really good for the other servers. NA gonna get raped.
Out of curiosity who are the best in NA? Sadly even Idra isn't really a global contender any more, and he's probably the best non-Huk player to come from NA.
hmm, the best in NA are Idra, Huk, Slush, Kiwikaki, Sheth, Cruncher, Drewbie, qxc and if you count Demuslim then him too. even though Trimaster has only done well in 1 tournament he's been owning people for a few months now, it's just hard to get through open bracket of MLG and he even did that. there's like 6 people there that should've been invited over Tyler/Incontrol/Destiny at least. EU is still stronger in general but it's kind of disappointing, the invites we have
Jesus Christ you don't event count SeleCT the guy who fucking won Bnet invitation for NA???
i had select but i editted the post to make it smaller and he got taken out accidentally, straighten out your panties and don't get so worked up bro
On September 10 2011 09:17 Herculix wrote: this is pretty retarded, NA has a fucking awful line up and they definitely didn't get the best of NA where as i feel they got some of the best and the rest really good for the other servers. NA gonna get raped.
Out of curiosity who are the best in NA? Sadly even Idra isn't really a global contender any more, and he's probably the best non-Huk player to come from NA.
hmm, the best in NA are Idra, Huk, Slush, Kiwikaki, Sheth, Cruncher, Drewbie, qxc and if you count Demuslim then him too. even though Trimaster has only done well in 1 tournament he's been owning people for a few months now, it's just hard to get through open bracket of MLG and he even did that. there's like 6 people there that should've been invited over Tyler/Incontrol/Destiny at least. EU is still stronger in general but it's kind of disappointing, the invites we have
Jesus Christ you don't event count SeleCT the guy who fucking won Bnet invitation for NA???
Haha oh man sometimes i feel sorry for SeleCT, he has been owning it up and still doesn't get the recognition he deserves.
On September 10 2011 09:17 Herculix wrote: this is pretty retarded, NA has a fucking awful line up and they definitely didn't get the best of NA where as i feel they got some of the best and the rest really good for the other servers. NA gonna get raped.
Out of curiosity who are the best in NA? Sadly even Idra isn't really a global contender any more, and he's probably the best non-Huk player to come from NA.
hmm, the best in NA are Idra, Huk, Slush, Kiwikaki, Sheth, Cruncher, Drewbie, qxc and if you count Demuslim then him too. even though Trimaster has only done well in 1 tournament he's been owning people for a few months now, it's just hard to get through open bracket of MLG and he even did that. there's like 6 people there that should've been invited over Tyler/Incontrol/Destiny at least. EU is still stronger in general but it's kind of disappointing, the invites we have
Jesus Christ you don't event count SeleCT the guy who fucking won Bnet invitation for NA???
Haha oh man sometimes i feel sorry for SeleCT, he has been owning it up and still doesn't get the recognition he deserves.
This. Select can beat all the players in the american and european brackets, and he's been doing consistently well for at least a few months now and no one ever cares. He's rarely featured on stage, too. I'm sure one of this days he's gonna win something major like Dreamhack and people are gonna realize just how good he is.
Looks like a fun event. There are definitely some choices that made me take a step back because I feel there are better players on each server than certain picks but overall it's a solid line up.
Too bad Nestea said no (I assume) but otherwise it should be pretty competitive.
About 90% chance a KR player takes the win though, as always.
Is there a place to see a list of players who declined? I'm sad to see nestea, july, MC, and demuslim not on the list aside from huk and select (lol so many good koreans missing but i guess they need some limit), but they also might have their reasons. Also sad to see players like Sen from taiwan not included
Destiny vs. Idra, really hoping this is destiny's moment to really show us some good zvz Boxer vs. MMA, so sad, but rooting for boxer :D
These picks are based on popularity and not at all how good the player in question is, take the European bracket for example. Haypro and Jinro are in it, with Haypro taking the spot of players like, Morrow, Nerchio, Dimaga, Darkforce, or Stephano (They may have rejected but even three seems far-fetched). Jinro takes the place of one player in particular which bothers me. Strelok has consistently been shown to be one of if not the best Terran player in Europe, yet Jinro gets picked? I understand North America because of race distribution but having Major, Tyler, and Incontrol all in the bracket makes it look just silly. If you look at the list every team liquid member except for TLO is in the tournament which is just ridiculous I would not mind putting one or even two of the under-performing liquid members ( Haypro, Jinro, Tyler) but all three is just plain unfair to other teams. Aside from that the tournament looks sick.
On September 10 2011 09:17 Herculix wrote: this is pretty retarded, NA has a fucking awful line up and they definitely didn't get the best of NA where as i feel they got some of the best and the rest really good for the other servers. NA gonna get raped.
Out of curiosity who are the best in NA? Sadly even Idra isn't really a global contender any more, and he's probably the best non-Huk player to come from NA.
hmm, the best in NA are Idra, Huk, Slush, Kiwikaki, Sheth, Cruncher, Drewbie, qxc and if you count Demuslim then him too. even though Trimaster has only done well in 1 tournament he's been owning people for a few months now, it's just hard to get through open bracket of MLG and he even did that. there's like 6 people there that should've been invited over Tyler/Incontrol/Destiny at least. EU is still stronger in general but it's kind of disappointing, the invites we have
Jesus Christ you don't event count SeleCT the guy who fucking won Bnet invitation for NA???
i had select but i editted the post to make it smaller and he got taken out accidentally, straighten out your panties and don't get so worked up bro
All I can say is, that I hope, that Socke got an invite and declined. He belongs to the Top 8 EU players based on results and was actually one of the few Euros, that showed up to four MLG events, placing high in every one except Anaheim.
Furthermore is the EU bracket way too sweden heavy. Nobody argues, that Sweden is the strongest SC 2 country in EU, but inviting 6 out of 8? No invites for polish or german players (who come alongside Ukraine directly after Sweden nationwise)? Meh.
Unfortunately, I will probably not get an answer of the above question, which will spoil this otherwise interesting tourney for me.
IdrA can take that US bracket pretty "easy" only one that i think will put up a good fight is Sheth.
Next to that i think Kiwikaki will be the biggest challenge, IDRA FOR THE WIN!
seriously with Destiny... prepare for infested Terran and your good. InControl wont beat Sheth i think, Maybe Major will beat Kiwikaki, then Major takes Kiwi's place in my prediction. Im always cheering for Tyler, but realisticly he will fall to either Kiwi or Major ;<<
If they wanted to invite people that has been on a few MLG's I don't see how they could invite someone like Major who has been on 1 MLG(?) when they have SeleCT. He is no doubt the best Terran on NA and he has been on every MLG this season I believe. O_O
On September 10 2011 10:34 Termit wrote: If they wanted to invite people that has been on a few MLG's I don't see how they could invite someone like Major who has been on 1 MLG(?) when they have SeleCT. He is no doubt the best Terran on NA and he has been on every MLG this season I believe. O_O
On September 10 2011 10:34 Termit wrote: If they wanted to invite people that has been on a few MLG's I don't see how they could invite someone like Major who has been on 1 MLG(?) when they have SeleCT. He is no doubt the best Terran on NA and he has been on every MLG this season I believe. O_O
Guys we invited many people that are not on the current list. To confirm speculation: Yes many people declined invitations. All that being said, we are EXTREMELY happy to have such a stellar top to bottom roster in our first stab at this.
It's kind of appalling how little thanks is being given to MLG in this thread.
You've got champions from MLG, GSL, TSL, NASL, IEM, Dreamhack, Homestory Cup, etc. and people are whining. For a first tournament I think MLG did better than anybody else could have possibly imagined. Show some respect.
Thank you MLG. Thank you for coordinating a tournament with the schedules of 24 players across the globe. Job well done.
On September 10 2011 10:40 Slider954 wrote: Adam, maybe you should move that to the OP so people will read it, as it seems to be the only post that's being read.
On September 10 2011 10:18 ScaringKids wrote: EU - Naniwa NA - Idra KR - Puma
Gonna be awsome but abit sad there is no MC, HuK, Nestea :p
With the time in Korea, Naniwa could beast it, maybe. But I don't think Idra will be getting his head out of his ass any time soon* enough to actually win anything, and I don't think Puma can top players like MVP
*maybe my language is too rough, too rude, but... "lol' and "go fuck yourself" from losing to a DT rush (this was from a couple days ago)? I'd hoped that maybe his attitude had improved since Beta, but he'll never truly succeed until... I don't know. I just know he ain't no DongRaeGu. That's why I'd say Sheth and Kiwi have a much better shot at NA
On September 10 2011 10:18 ScaringKids wrote: EU - Naniwa NA - Idra KR - Puma
Gonna be awsome but abit sad there is no MC, HuK, Nestea :p
With the time in Korea, Naniwa could beast it, maybe. But I don't think Idra will be getting his head out of his ass any time soon* enough to actually win anything, and I don't think Puma can top players like MVP
*maybe my language is too rough, too rude, but... "lol' and "go fuck yourself" from losing to a DT rush (this was from a couple days ago)? I'd hoped that maybe his attitude had improved since Beta, but he'll never truly succeed until... I don't know. I just know he ain't no DongRaeGu. That's why I'd say Sheth and Kiwi have a much better shot at NA
lols. EU and Korea lineups are stacked, should be some awesome games. NA...not so much. Us American types aren't good at games. After all, Koreans own white dudes.
I feel like the invites for the online tournament are really not accurate, to many swedish players for EU, i would have rather see Stephano instead of Haypro...and is there nobody else to invite rather than iNcontrol for US ?
IdrA, Mvp, and Sjow to take these events easily. Glad it was split up into regions and not another mini international tournament. Hopefully these games will be played on regional servers and not forced onto NA. Also, I hope MLG provides some sick casting/coverage for these events. Looking forward to this and the GOMTV AoL tournament too! And yes. Stupid Sweden rules EU according to MLG. I wish they had invited one player per country in EU. Have a Swedish mini qualifier if necessary.
On September 10 2011 10:43 TheRealPaciFist wrote: I know I'm sure as hell happy with the list =D
On September 10 2011 10:18 ScaringKids wrote: EU - Naniwa NA - Idra KR - Puma
Gonna be awsome but abit sad there is no MC, HuK, Nestea :p
With the time in Korea, Naniwa could beast it, maybe. But I don't think Idra will be getting his head out of his ass any time soon* enough to actually win anything, and I don't think Puma can top players like MVP
*maybe my language is too rough, too rude, but... "lol' and "go fuck yourself" from losing to a DT rush (this was from a couple days ago)? I'd hoped that maybe his attitude had improved since Beta, but he'll never truly succeed until... I don't know. I just know he ain't no DongRaeGu. That's why I'd say Sheth and Kiwi have a much better shot at NA
What was that game and who was he up against? :o
EG team league, versus minigun maybe? I don't remember
On September 10 2011 10:48 Marou wrote: I feel like the invites for the online tournament are really not accurate, to many swedish players for EU, i would have rather see Stephano instead of Haypro...and is there nobody else to invite rather than iNcontrol for US ?
I agree, I personally would have invited Trimaster and Huk instead of Incontrol and Destiny, but they either declined their invites (more likely Huk's case) or name value was greatly considered over skill (Trimaster's case).
On September 10 2011 09:17 Herculix wrote: this is pretty retarded, NA has a fucking awful line up and they definitely didn't get the best of NA where as i feel they got some of the best and the rest really good for the other servers. NA gonna get raped.
Out of curiosity who are the best in NA? Sadly even Idra isn't really a global contender any more, and he's probably the best non-Huk player to come from NA.
hmm, the best in NA are Idra, Huk, Slush, Kiwikaki, Sheth, Cruncher, Drewbie, qxc and if you count Demuslim then him too. even though Trimaster has only done well in 1 tournament he's been owning people for a few months now, it's just hard to get through open bracket of MLG and he even did that. there's like 6 people there that should've been invited over Tyler/Incontrol/Destiny at least. EU is still stronger in general but it's kind of disappointing, the invites we have
Jesus Christ you don't event count SeleCT the guy who fucking won Bnet invitation for NA???
i had select but i editted the post to make it smaller and he got taken out accidentally, straighten out your panties and don't get so worked up bro
I'm not going to read through 12 pages of posts.
i didn't reply to you. you obviously didn't read the conversation either, did you notice your name in any of the replies? peterblue asked who is the best in NA, i said a bunch of people and editted out select on accident. random guy cried about how everyone forgets about select, i sarcastically apologize. where in that did i mention "by the way, i was talking to remotecntrld, hope he read the entire thread" or anything that would imply you needed to read 12 pages of posts?
How the fuck is Incontrol on everything ? This is a joke, there are TONS of players better than him and performing better than him. His 3rd place at Dallas will make him millions.
On September 10 2011 11:05 mtn wrote: How the fuck is Incontrol on everything ? This is a joke, there are TONS of players better than him and performing better than him. His 3rd place at Dallas will make him millions.
I'm not complaining nor do I assume the other players could have made it. But Im truley waiting for an "ALL STAR MATCH" from around teh world.
Imagine seeing nestea, huk,diamaga,morrow stephano. Soo many great players. Its obvious north america has the weakets players. but this could be the tournament IdRA GOES beast mode, which is always a possibility. If that happens we could see greta games. Any way korean line up is just devestating soooo well rounded with races, and all so unique and devestating.
Not hating or anything, but why do they keep inviting INControl to MLG?? I don't agree with that, he has shown that he is clearly nowhere near the level of players that play at MLG or any other big tournament. I mean his only official wins in the past..what...6 months? have been a combination of couple all-in builds. Last MLG did he even win a single match? and in the NASL he has gotten 5-0d too.
Again, this is not hating on him personally, but I just think NA has much better to offer in his place, specially since Koreans have been dominating the past MLGs, and NA is desperate to take something from them, at least in the local tournaments. Inviting players like INcontrol just because they are popular icons in the community doesn't help at all to the cause.
Wow, 3 round 1 dream matches in KR bracket. Two monster TvTs and Hero vs Losira :O
On September 10 2011 11:25 Tacoss23 wrote: Not hating or anything, but why do they keep inviting INControl to MLG?? I don't agree with that, he has shown that he is clearly nowhere near the level of players that play at MLG or any other big tournament. I mean his only official wins in the past..what...6 months? have been a combination of couple all-in builds. Last MLG did he even win a single match? and in the NASL he has gotten 5-0d too.
Again, this is not hating on him personally, but I just think NA has much better to offer in his place, specially since Koreans have been dominating the past MLGs, and NA is desperate to take something from them, at least in the local tournaments. Inviting players like INcontrol just because they are popular icons in the community doesn't help at all to the cause.
He's invited because of his ranking and regardless of very recent results, he is an excellent, smart, respected player that produces entertaining games. It's funny that you comment on Incontrol and not Destiny, whom I feel is just a spectacle for esports and not a true professional so I feel like you are hating.
On September 10 2011 07:40 Icekommander wrote: Looking nice. Most of the players are pretty good (although Destiny was a highly questionable choice compared to Select, Machine or even Trimaster), and should be some sick games.
Calling Thorzain Europe, Kiwikaki NA, and MVP Korea.
I wouldn't include machine in that list, he isn't even grandmasters, nor is he owning it up in masters. Feels like the North American players are by far the weakest of the groups though!
Really dissapointing to see no korean protoss except for hero =( Anyways I guess some good tvts will come out from korea and also some nice overall matches for europe
On September 10 2011 09:17 Herculix wrote: this is pretty retarded, NA has a fucking awful line up and they definitely didn't get the best of NA where as i feel they got some of the best and the rest really good for the other servers. NA gonna get raped.
Out of curiosity who are the best in NA? Sadly even Idra isn't really a global contender any more, and he's probably the best non-Huk player to come from NA.
hmm, the best in NA are Idra, Huk, Slush, Kiwikaki, Sheth, Cruncher, Drewbie, qxc and if you count Demuslim then him too. even though Trimaster has only done well in 1 tournament he's been owning people for a few months now, it's just hard to get through open bracket of MLG and he even did that. there's like 6 people there that should've been invited over Tyler/Incontrol/Destiny at least. EU is still stronger in general but it's kind of disappointing, the invites we have
Jesus Christ you don't event count SeleCT the guy who fucking won Bnet invitation for NA???
i had select but i editted the post to make it smaller and he got taken out accidentally, straighten out your panties and don't get so worked up bro
I'm not going to read through 12 pages of posts.
Seriously dude? You're not going to just click on the "All" button, and at least skim through 12 pages? You could even do a search of whatever you are looking for, skim that, and save yourself time with whatever you are asking. 12 pages is not monumental.
Jesus, too many tournaments up in here! Now MLG has a new one!? Ugh, it becomes a pain to keep track of all this. From a viewer standpoint, I feel like it has become over-saturated. Too many tournaments makes each championship feel less important individually.
But it's good for the players at least, more money to be won.
missing huk and select obviouslt from NA, I was going to mention morrow, stephano nerchio for EU but then i realized EU is already stacked full. Wondering why MC wouldn't be in KR as i think they are going my MLG results and he did place third, higher than puma or hero...
What is the point of adding MVP? I think it means a few things:
A. They would like MVP to be there at the Nationals for sure. And if he wins this regional he has good reason to attend both.
B. They think MVP will lose to Nestea at Blizzcon and would like to secure him in some other way.
C. Vice versa. They want Nestea to come to Nationals but think he will lose to MVP at Blizzcon. By putting MVP in regionals who has a good shot to win both it and Blizzcon. They would then "reveal" their fallback plan by inviting the runner-up of Blizzcon which would most likely be NesTea.
or
D. MLG forgot MVP is contesting at Blizzcon as well...
This kind of reminds of the HDH tounry in beta; they choose players based on popularity and make exciting match ups for large viewership. Fair enough, I'll watch.
I'm a little sick of people whining about the eu line up, saying it's not strong. I think the only two players who are questionable are Jinro and Haypro. I saw a few people bash on sjow, although he has had good showings lately, especially in MLG. Also, eu lineup is 6/8 Swedish... I guess it just show how dominant Sweden is outside Korea.
On September 10 2011 11:40 XRaDiiX wrote: Just curious why Destiny is on this list. Popularity gets you spots ?! .
That's E-Sports!?
Yep, for invites likely. While NA has probably more deserving players, I don't think they have many other players that would bring more viewers like Destiny would. I honestly watch many tournaments only because of the fact that he plays in them, so it could be a decent move.
Seems like MLG made a mistake with their NA choices for sure... welcome to the eSports monopoly... I really hope they take some advice from the community because these NA selections are not at all representative of the top "skilled" NA players. More like the top "friends" of MLG's partners in helping esports build... I understand many of the players role in building esports alongside MLG but picking them to represent skill is a really really poor choice.
On September 10 2011 12:11 YuTz wrote: Seems like MLG made a mistake with their NA choices for sure... welcome to the eSports monopoly... I really hope they take some advice from the community because these NA selections are not at all representative of the top "skilled" NA players. More like the top "friends" of MLG's partners in helping esports build... I understand many of the players role in building esports alongside MLG but picking them to represent skill is a really really poor choice.
What part of many people turned down their invitations did you miss?
On September 10 2011 12:11 YuTz wrote: Seems like MLG made a mistake with their NA choices for sure... welcome to the eSports monopoly... I really hope they take some advice from the community because these NA selections are not at all representative of the top "skilled" NA players. More like the top "friends" of MLG's partners in helping esports build... I understand many of the players role in building esports alongside MLG but picking them to represent skill is a really really poor choice.
What part of many people turned down their invitations did you miss?
No HuK for NA surprises the shit out me, seeing as though he's been competing in GSL for months, and he's competed in so many mlg's, anyways, looks like a good lineup though, should be entertaining.
hmm the 1st half of Korean bracket doesnt seem fair to me with Bomber/mvp/Puma/Coca, all look better than MMA(slightly), Boxer,Hero and LosirA Can someone explain the given seed ? GSL-based or MLG-based ?
It looks like it's time for MVP and Bomber to Terranitup! It would be sick if that was the final match for the Korea regionals. Too bad so many NA players turned down the MLG invite, these NA players aren't really the best unfortunately .
Can we please get a mod note saying how some players declined invites (such as Huk, Select, and Nestea) due to cross server and time constraints? I feel like it would really help this thread.
it seems MLG chose players based on popularity and fanbase, like destiny, puma, and hero. they all arent bad players, but i wouldnt put them on the same class as some of the other invites.
On September 10 2011 13:25 alexlw92 wrote: it seems MLG chose players based on popularity and fanbase, like destiny, puma, and hero. they all arent bad players, but i wouldnt put them on the same class as some of the other invites.
I agree though... puma? He beat MC of course he's at least in the same class, my much bigger problem is the inclusion of Destiny, iNcontrol, and Tyler (I really love all 3 but...) while not having Select OR HuK, when honestly right now either of them could wipe the floor with those 3.
On September 10 2011 13:25 alexlw92 wrote: it seems MLG chose players based on popularity and fanbase, like destiny, puma, and hero. they all arent bad players, but i wouldnt put them on the same class as some of the other invites.
puma and hero when you talk about popularity?
hero is in code a now sure other code s players might be better but he's so freaking good. players like inc tyler are chosen based on popularity. i love those guys but they're not on the same level as the other players.
i actually think they chose a lot of people strictly because of race diversity.
Guys, try reading some posts before you post or make assumptions, its not that hard to skim the thread and see official MLG posts
On September 10 2011 10:38 MLG_Adam wrote: Guys we invited many people that are not on the current list. To confirm speculation: Yes many people declined invitations. All that being said, we are EXTREMELY happy to have such a stellar top to bottom roster in our first stab at this.
I think this is a great move by MLG. I can understand why some players would decline the invite, as this is a new event, and it may not shake out well for them.
Huge week for e-Sports: GSL August Finals GSL Anniversary All-Star Event IPL 3 Qualifier #3 Another TeamLiquid Open GOMTV's Arena of Legends NASL Season 2 starting up and many more! e-Sports hwaiting!
On September 10 2011 13:25 alexlw92 wrote: it seems MLG chose players based on popularity and fanbase, like destiny, puma, and hero. they all arent bad players, but i wouldnt put them on the same class as some of the other invites.
Well, it brings the viewers in. Hero is a decent, solid Code - A player, which would be top tier in foreign events. Puma I guess would also be a decent Code S player, not top of Code S but someone who goes Ro 16 - 8. Of course, if you wanted the best players they'd have to bring Polt, Nestea, etc, but some players don't go to foreign events and they might not attract as many players as the popular ones.
well I actually liked the player choices this looks promising and very very very interesting, Particularilly looking forward for Liquid and EG's koreans, plus Gositerran and Sase
EU: WhiteRa NA: I don t feel like there s any really strong player in there, who is really dominant. I think KiWi and Idra are strongest of those. KR: Hero! Of course! Who else if not Hero?!
Really looking forward to see the EU players. Some good and some bad choices.
All of these are tough to call, but here's my predictions: NA: 1st: Sheth 2nd: KiWi 3rd: Slush (I'm assuming that IdrA will be inconsistent and Maj0r hasn't had optimal practice recently. But either of those two could do well, but they're not reliable). EU: 1st: ThorZaIN 2nd: White-Ra 3rd: NaNiwa KR: 1st: Mvp 2nd: Bomber 3rd: PuMa
All of these tournaments look really close, hopefully we'll see some good games! :D
I think this is sort of a blend of the best players and the most popular players. Although the Korean lineup is pretty solid, just a shame there isn't a really established protoss, it would have been great to see Puzzle in it.
I hate to be harsh to Liquid but Haypro and Jinro do not deserve to be there right now and it's probably only due to their popularity that they were invited, which is ok too I guess. But Nerchio/Stephano/DIMAGA/Morrow are all currently better zergs than Haypro and with Jinro, perhaps only Strelok or Tarson could replace him from Europe.
In NA I would argue that a number of players don't deserve to be there but I have no idea who would replace them, so perhaps they do deserve to be there? I feel like NA is really falling behind the level of the European pros. Except for Select, if you count him as part of the NA circuit.
Looking at the invites, I'm not sure I'm interested in following it at all. None of the regions seems to be balanced.
It is just an invitational, so I feel compelled to say that it had to be expected. I feel like an idiot for getting excited after reading "new MLG tournament".
Whatever, I'm sure it'll be exciting enough for other people, so go you, other people!
As much as I love seeing Swedes, since I am Swedish, I do agree that there are a couple or more spots that could have gone to some better players. There are some great EU players out there that I think would have been more fun to watch: Nerchio, Dimaga, Stephano, Socke, Morrow etc. etc.
That being said I think it will be super fun to watch, although I still think the pricepool is pretty lame. MLG is such a big and great event I feel that the one thing they are really lacking is a decent pricepool(Open bracket vs pool play issues aside).
On September 10 2011 16:37 Joseph123 wrote: Apparently in everything MLG does they ignore protoss. 8 korean invites, only 1 protoss and he isn't even in code A?
On September 10 2011 16:37 Joseph123 wrote: Apparently in everything MLG does they ignore protoss. 8 korean invites, only 1 protoss and he isn't even in code A?
HerO just qualified for code A.
This is really sweet, love these high caliber tournaments ^^
No demuslim? Otherwise it is a very good list. It rewards people like slush and Incontrol that go to all MLGs.
I think doing invitationals like this hurts mlg's prestige though. If the prize is too big then its competing directly with its own finals and it might turn into a nasl situation where theres no point playing a league if you can enter an open tournament and win the finals.
I do not approve of that european list. I really hate when invitationals turn a blind eye on the recent results of small, open tournaments and forget all the great players who participate in those and finish high. Seriously, there are definitely a handful of european zergs who could wipe the floor with Haypro, finished high in plenty of open tournaments recently, but are not invited. :-/
MLG had a great idea with these invitationals, only messed up the actual invites. They seem to be inviting only players that already attended previous mlg events (at least for europe - one player) that seems totally redundant to me, most of invited players are already almost guaranteed to participate in national championship event (nani,idra,kiwi,slush,sjow)... For instance haypro was in pool play for every mlg, does he really deserve another shot ? Sorry, but with this u wont bring the best players out of each region. You will have the exact same tournaments as before ! Maybe 2 new players will come out of these invitationals.
No one mentions Sase, defently think he has a shot at this. He is only been in Korea a month and he is already floating around 50-25 Korean GM. This guys micros like a beast
But yeah even as a Swede I think the EU invites are a little bit off, I dont think Jinro or Haypro should be in there. With players like Stephano, Mana, Dimaga and Nerchio not being invited it just doesnt feel right to invite the 2 mentioned above.
This going to be awesome!! But I don't know if Destiny is a top player, considering he got 3'-0'd by Grubby not so long ago, And I don't believ HayprO is in a good shape lately..
I should add since the brackets are up that my tips for winning each bracket will be: NA: Kiwikaki over Sheth EU: WhiteRa over Sase KR: Puma over Losira
NA: KiWiKaKi > Sheth (Only because I think Kiwi's been in very good form lately). EU: Thorzain > Nani (Both have been in Korea, and I'm a fan of Thorzain :3). KR: MVP > Bomber (Wasn't too sure about who could come 2nd as the bracket is rather tight, although MVP 1st simply because he's a boss).
I think SaSe has a pretty good chance aswell, been watching his stream lately .
Seems like they invited people that have been to mlg before, as that certainly isnt the best european line up they could of invited. I guess because many europeans havent been to mlg they have not thought of them. The only one who i think hasnt been but got invited is SaSe, and i think he will place really highly as he is playing awesome at the moment.
Inviting Haypro over dimaga or marrow or nerchio or stephano?? wtf? They are rewarding some players with invites because for there mlg apearances allready im sure.
On September 10 2011 07:40 RusHXceL wrote: My top 3 for each region would be
EU: naniwa
NA: Idra
KR: Puma
cant really see idra beating sheth, he lost to often in the last time vs him
also i dont think its even sure naniwa beat 1st round enemy Sase (perhaps not best bracket na and us)
just an fyi, after losing to sheth in that previous time idra came back from a 2-1 or 2-0 to win 3-2 in the LESF thingy that was played live not to long ago after his last time losing to sheth. So its a toss up between those 2 though imo.
On September 10 2011 07:40 RusHXceL wrote: My top 3 for each region would be
EU: naniwa
NA: Idra
KR: Puma
cant really see idra beating sheth, he lost to often in the last time vs him
also i dont think its even sure naniwa beat 1st round enemy Sase (perhaps not best bracket na and us)
just an fyi, after losing to sheth in that previous time idra came back from a 2-1 or 2-0 to win 3-2 in the LESF thingy that was played live not to long ago after his last time losing to sheth. So its a toss up between those 2 though imo.
Yeah Idra and Sheth are pretty close in ZvZ. They seem to split a lot of series with each other.
I actually think Kiwikaki will beat either of them though. He looked so good at MLG Raleigh.
On September 10 2011 18:07 Nosferatos wrote: prize pool is low as usual (>.>), but this seems like it'll be fun. But if some of the players from Na and Eu play in Korea, lag will be an issue.
They are giving away $3750 + travel accommodations for each 8 man region. Thats not bad at all for an 8 man online tournament.
On September 10 2011 18:32 AsnSensation wrote: MC's not even invited, hero the only korean protoss, ok
anyway still a nice thing, great work mlg
I'm pretty sure MC would decline to focus on his Korea performance based on previous comments. It's already been stated that Select, Nestea and HuK declined spots, likely due to cross-server lag form Korea.
Personally I'm okay with the invites, maybe Socke from Europe (dunno if he got invited and declined), a lot of the "better" Euros haven't attended an MLG so it's not surprising for MLG not to invite.
Obviously MLG is catering to the NA community with the invite list. I wouldnt blame them for that. Haypro and Jinro are well known European pros over there, whereas the likes of Nerchio and Stephano etc have not yet participated in any NA events. Also Incontrol and Destiny are community favourites so it creates more "excitement" I guess.
On September 10 2011 19:01 chestnutman wrote: Obviously MLG is catering to the NA community with the invite list. I wouldnt blame them for that. Haypro and Jinro are well known European pros over there, whereas the likes of Nerchio and Stephano etc have not yet participated in any NA events. Also Incontrol and Destiny are community favourites so it creates more "excitement" I guess.
On September 10 2011 10:38 MLG_Adam wrote: Guys we invited many people that are not on the current list. To confirm speculation: Yes many people declined invitations. All that being said, we are EXTREMELY happy to have such a stellar top to bottom roster in our first stab at this.
Can the OP edit this in the first post?
Why Dimaga, Sthephano, and other well known players aren't on that list = THEY DECLINED THE INVITE
On September 10 2011 10:38 MLG_Adam wrote: Guys we invited many people that are not on the current list. To confirm speculation: Yes many people declined invitations. All that being said, we are EXTREMELY happy to have such a stellar top to bottom roster in our first stab at this.
Can the OP edit this in the first post?
Why Dimaga, Sthephano, and other well known players aren't on that list = THEY DECLINED THE INVITE
WTF Why are u making stuff up? MLG said that select and huk declined the invite, never said anything about stephano,dimaga...
Why ALWAYS the same players in invitational tournaments !?!?!?!?!!!!
All the money is for player with no skill while you have players such as Stephano, nerchio, Mana, Kas, Strelock, Dimaga, Goody, elfi and many others who are 1000* stronger than TLO, Haypro, Jinro, Idra, tyler and are never invited at invitational tournaments.
So they do small weekly online cup for 100$ and stay in the dark. That is a pitty. -_-
On September 10 2011 10:38 MLG_Adam wrote: Guys we invited many people that are not on the current list. To confirm speculation: Yes many people declined invitations. All that being said, we are EXTREMELY happy to have such a stellar top to bottom roster in our first stab at this.
Can the OP edit this in the first post?
Why Dimaga, Sthephano, and other well known players aren't on that list = THEY DECLINED THE INVITE
WTF Why are u making stuff up? MLG said that select and huk declined the invite, never said anything about stephano,dimaga...
"Guys we invited many people that are not on the current list" doesn't mean anything to you?
On September 10 2011 07:35 RusHXceL wrote: Want more StarCraft 2 competition, featuring the best players from every corner of the globe? Of course you do. So do we. And now, we can all get what we want. Europe: Haypro Jinro North America: Destiny iNcontroL
Are they trolling us or what? It is their choice to invite whoever they want, but I don't understand why they categorize this players as "top of their region", thus insulting the real best players from the region. I'm really hoping they edit their statement, so it says something like: We decided to invite 8 of the most popular guys of each region.
On September 10 2011 19:56 AIOL! wrote: Why ALWAYS the same players in invitational tournaments !?!?!?!?!!!!
All the money is for player with no skill while you have players such as Stephano, nerchio, Mana, Kas, Strelock, Dimaga, Goody, elfi and many others who are 1000* stronger than TLO, Haypro, Jinro, Idra, tyler and are never invited at invitational tournaments.
So they do small weekly online cup for 100$ and stay in the dark. That is a pitty. -_-
Yeah, it only goes to show that most tournament organisers don't follow the scene and are only influenced by the "popularity" of a player... so sad. I wish Invitationals will once be the great show they're supposed to be.
On September 10 2011 07:35 RusHXceL wrote: Want more StarCraft 2 competition, featuring the best players from every corner of the globe? Of course you do. So do we. And now, we can all get what we want. Europe: Haypro Jinro North America: Destiny iNcontroL
Are they trolling us or what? It is their choice to invite whoever they want, but I don't understand why they categorize this players as "top of their region", thus insulting the real best players from the region. I'm really hoping they edit their statement, so it says something like: We decided to invite 8 of the most popular guys of each region.
Great lineup, I would preffer Morrow instead of Haypro and hugely missing Mc and Nestea for Korea. edit MC instead of Hero and Nestea instead of Coca, and u have the best players in the world in the tournament.
Guys they are calling it an invitational for a reason.
With that said, I wish they would mix up the brackets a little bit. :/ The more I think about it, the more I hate the idea of online regional qualifiers. Of course they don't want any latency issues, but the way Blizzard has it, that will be unavoidable so to speak with connection issues. Regions just minimizes the casualties. Whatever, it's their tournament and this way they can at least dictate the play so that the foreigners won't be knocked out until later on in the tournament. Only thing is the finals could be as rough as watching the GSL Finals. lol. -_-
A bit sweden heavy. Almost all EU invites is as stated based on MLG performance.
Except Sase, bit wired choose, he have not won anything important. Known as high placed mass gamer in EU and now Korean ladder. Warcraft 3 pro. But not a tournament crusher.
That said, still not as I don't want to have him in there, as he is clearly the single player I keep my eye when he will crush everyone. He could take down EU bracket.
Alot of the great EU players in eastern Europe where there might be a visa risk that MLG don't want to risk. I also suspect Socke did turn down his invite. And they are not as commonly known in NA.
Eu bracket Nani and Sase play each other first round (both living in the GOM house atm), in PvP any of them could win. Feel like Ret or White-Ra will be in winners final vs Thor, Nani or Sase. Any of them can take it down i think but Korean enchanted swedes might few more tricks.
Na bracket Have Idra find his game yet?. I think we will have Idra or Sheth in winners v Kiwi. Slush has always been a high placed MLG player but seen him as tournament crusher. I'm missing Select, sad he turn down his invite.
Kr bracket Feels like the Korean is quite well balanced with one good and one popular player in every group My prediction for winner final is Loria or MMA vs MVP or Bomber. But a upset quite possible as don't follow the Korean scene enough. Coca my play better one day and Puma can make a great run. + Show Spoiler [GSL Code S final] +
MVP might be too good to lose as write this during the 3-0 GSL final.
In the end will we see a four player, in single elimination. With 2 Korean(Korea wins blizzcon, fact ), one EU and one NA player as extra tournament in providence. Feels like a single elimination is short when you have BO3 and 4 player. But MLG just want them to enter the normal tournament as well.
Hmm that destiny vs Idra match has got me interested. The invites look great though! imo MLG continues to be the king of foreign starcraft tournaments!
On September 10 2011 07:35 RusHXceL wrote: Edit: brackets are up
The Players
MLG has reached out to some of the best players in the world from each of the three represented regions. Here are the full rosters:
Europe:
Naniwa Sjow Ret Haypro Thorzain White-Ra Jinro SaSe
North America:
Idra KiwiKaki Slush Sheth Tyler Major Destiny iNcontroL
I seems to me that this choices are odd, many turn down the invitation but how can u say Haypro is Top player? when he haven`t won ANYTHING. Morrow is a better choices.
Destiny and iNcontroL Top players? ROFL, in NA u have player such as, Minigun, Gatored, Select, TT1, Machine, Huk, Attero, OpTikzEro to mention a few i think they are way better than iNcontroL and Destiny.
but i assume destiny is there cuz he is popular, and iNcontroL because is a one of the few faces of E-Sports. so its not all that surprising.
On September 10 2011 07:40 Icekommander wrote: Looking nice. Most of the players are pretty good (although Destiny was a highly questionable choice compared to Select, Machine or even Trimaster), and should be some sick games.
Calling Thorzain Europe, Kiwikaki NA, and MVP Korea.
I wouldn't include machine in that list, he isn't even grandmasters, nor is he owning it up in masters. Feels like the North American players are by far the weakest of the groups though!
it doesnt matter there are plenty of Talent players who are masters. example Minigun
The NA bracket is a disappointment :/ Kinda sad that so many players turned it down, I'm assuming, since I doubt Destiny, Incontrol and Tyler were first choices.
Still, excited to see this tournament. Who knows, maybe they'll surprise us? It'd be cool, imo.
On September 10 2011 19:56 AIOL! wrote: Why ALWAYS the same players in invitational tournaments !?!?!?!?!!!!
All the money is for player with no skill while you have players such as Stephano, nerchio, Mana, Kas, Strelock, Dimaga, Goody, elfi and many others who are 1000* stronger than TLO, Haypro, Jinro, Idra, tyler and are never invited at invitational tournaments.
So they do small weekly online cup for 100$ and stay in the dark. That is a pitty. -_-
They are all EU players so they can't get US spots. TLO, Haypro and Jinro(kinda) seem to be strange picks though. No Mana and no Stephano makes me sad though.
On September 10 2011 19:56 AIOL! wrote: Why ALWAYS the same players in invitational tournaments !?!?!?!?!!!!
All the money is for player with no skill while you have players such as Stephano, nerchio, Mana, Kas, Strelock, Dimaga, Goody, elfi and many others who are 1000* stronger than TLO, Haypro, Jinro, Idra, tyler and are never invited at invitational tournaments.
So they do small weekly online cup for 100$ and stay in the dark. That is a pitty. -_-
They are all EU players so they can't get US spots. TLO, Haypro and Jinro(kinda) seem to be strange picks though. No Mana and no Stephano makes me sad though.
I'd much rather they have a qualifier, so we could avoid any such doubts. They could give BYE's to the people listed to make it easier for them, but they should at least offer lesser known players a chance.
Some of you people are fucking unbelievable. MLG throws a sick looking tournament, but you just keep and keep whining why isn't player X in the tournament or why is this player in it, "WHAT THE FUCK MLG, WHY YOU SO STUPID?!?!?!". Just be fucking grateful for once..
Brackets looking pretty good. Naniwa vs Sase is going to be hard for both, WhiteRa vs Ret, whole Korean bracket is going to be sick straight from Round 1... wow.
OK when I originally posted in this thread about what I thought of the event and who I thought perhaps shouldn't be there it was just me expressing my opinion but it's ridiculous that this thread has turned into a bash fest of the tournament and who they have selected. I guess I shouldn't expect anything more (or less? ) from TL.
Like some people have already stated, it probably shouldn't be announced as the best players from each region but rather a mix of good players with decent performances over the first year of SC2's release in conjunction with many crowd favourites. As an online tournament it is important for MLG to select players that draw large audiences when streaming online. Although Destiny is perhaps not at the level of the other NA players, he does draw a large audience.
Please everyone, be glad that we have more great upcoming content!
Edit: Why are people now talking about TLO and how he shouldn't be there? He's not even in the event.
On September 10 2011 21:32 Grettin wrote: Some of you people are fucking unbelievable. MLG throws a sick looking tournament, but you just keep and keep whining why isn't player X in the tournament or why is this player in it, "WHAT THE FUCK MLG, WHY YOU SO STUPID?!?!?!". Just be fucking grateful for once..
Brackets looking pretty good. Naniwa vs Sase is going to be hard for both, WhiteRa vs Ret, whole Korean bracket is going to be sick straight from Round 1... wow.
I can't personally wait for this. Casters are great, and players/brackets are great enough. Good luck and good job MLG!
I don't see how that tournament is sick.
Besides the Korean bracket, you have much more competitive tournaments every week online.
If you set aside the cash prize and the korean bracket (that you can have everyday with GSL), that's tournament has nothing spectatular.
Ofc, the only one thing i regret is the players invited. Generally speaking, the organization of MLG competitions is great. Please note i'm not a "fan", i'm a "customer". Since i can afford it, i usually buy a ticket to follow the HD stream. So why wouldn't i complain ?
On September 10 2011 21:32 Grettin wrote: Some of you people are fucking unbelievable. MLG throws a sick looking tournament, but you just keep and keep whining why isn't player X in the tournament or why is this player in it, "WHAT THE FUCK MLG, WHY YOU SO STUPID?!?!?!". Just be fucking grateful for once..
Brackets looking pretty good. Naniwa vs Sase is going to be hard for both, WhiteRa vs Ret, whole Korean bracket is going to be sick straight from Round 1... wow.
I can't personally wait for this. Casters are great, and players/brackets are great enough. Good luck and good job MLG!
I don't see how that tournament is sick.
Besides the Korean bracket, you have much more competitive tournaments every week online.
If you set aside the cash prize and the korean bracket (that you can have everyday with GSL), that's tournament has nothing spectatular.
Ofc, the only one thing i regret is the players invited. Generally speaking, the organization of MLG competitions is great. Please note i'm not a "fan", i'm a "customer". Since i can afford it, i usually buy a ticket to follow the HD stream. So why wouldn't i complain ?
arent these picked off the MLG rankings? and the people like HuK who arent there would have just declined? and as for all the incontrol hate, you name 16 NA players who are ranked higher in MLG then him?
Dunno why people are whining about EU lineup, given the sloppy NA lineup. I understand they want people who have been to MLG but come on, this is a serious popularity contest; Destiny/incontrol? Incontrol hasn't won a game in pool play for ages, and has Destiny even made it past 3rd round? Would be much more deserving to go to Inca or Cruncher or Select (given he didn't decline). At least Inca and Cruncher have battled their way through open brackets a couple of times, even if they aren't the best players out there...
On September 10 2011 22:14 ThatGuy89 wrote: arent these picked off the MLG rankings? and the people like HuK who arent there would have just declined? and as for all the incontrol hate, you name 16 NA players who are ranked higher in MLG then him?
don't think so, never seen Sase (european invite) attend an mlg.
On September 10 2011 22:14 ThatGuy89 wrote: arent these picked off the MLG rankings? and the people like HuK who arent there would have just declined? and as for all the incontrol hate, you name 16 NA players who are ranked higher in MLG then him?
Any random GM/top M player is better than incontrol, simple as that.
On September 10 2011 21:32 Grettin wrote: Some of you people are fucking unbelievable. MLG throws a sick looking tournament, but you just keep and keep whining why isn't player X in the tournament or why is this player in it, "WHAT THE FUCK MLG, WHY YOU SO STUPID?!?!?!". Just be fucking grateful for once..
Brackets looking pretty good. Naniwa vs Sase is going to be hard for both, WhiteRa vs Ret, whole Korean bracket is going to be sick straight from Round 1... wow.
I can't personally wait for this. Casters are great, and players/brackets are great enough. Good luck and good job MLG!
'Grateful?!?!' What the fuck are you talking about bro, these 'you people' are paying customers, either directly through membership or indirectly through ads. MLG isn't doing us a favour, they are providing a service in return for payment. They aren't a fucking charity providing us with content cause they wanna see us smile, it is a paid service and as a result customers have a right to expect their monies worth...
On September 10 2011 22:14 ThatGuy89 wrote: arent these picked off the MLG rankings? and the people like HuK who arent there would have just declined? and as for all the incontrol hate, you name 16 NA players who are ranked higher in MLG then him?
Any random GM/top M player is better than incontrol, simple as that.
you are aware that incontrol is in the top half of the GM league, yes? I hope you get a warning for trolling
that being said, i would have loved a Demuslim invite over idk, someone.
On September 10 2011 22:17 Ryder. wrote: Dunno why people are whining about EU lineup, given the sloppy NA lineup. I understand they want people who have been to MLG but come on, this is a serious popularity contest; Destiny/incontrol? Incontrol hasn't won a game in pool play for ages, and has Destiny even made it past 3rd round? Would be much more deserving to go to Inca or Cruncher or Select (given he didn't decline). At least Inca and Cruncher have battled their way through open brackets a couple of times, even if they aren't the best players out there...
ppl are whining about EU lineup cos it has 6 swedes and jinro/haypro arent even top 20 EU
Look guys, obviously there are some questionable choices of players. I think the most obvious one would be Haypro, since he's neither very accomplished or particulary popular. I am, however, STOKED OUT OF MY MIND about the good players that actually ARE invited! I think you should be too.
On September 10 2011 21:32 Grettin wrote: Some of you people are fucking unbelievable. MLG throws a sick looking tournament, but you just keep and keep whining why isn't player X in the tournament or why is this player in it, "WHAT THE FUCK MLG, WHY YOU SO STUPID?!?!?!". Just be fucking grateful for once..
Brackets looking pretty good. Naniwa vs Sase is going to be hard for both, WhiteRa vs Ret, whole Korean bracket is going to be sick straight from Round 1... wow.
I can't personally wait for this. Casters are great, and players/brackets are great enough. Good luck and good job MLG!
'Grateful?!?!' What the fuck are you talking about bro, these 'you people' are paying customers, either directly through membership or indirectly through ads. MLG isn't doing us a favour, they are providing a service in return for payment. They aren't a fucking charity providing us with content cause they wanna see us smile, it is a paid service and as a result customers have a right to expect their monies worth...
You've read and heard that they invited bunch of people, some declined or didn't want to play for some reason. If you don't like the line-up then don't fucking pay to watch it. But why you need to come here and say "WHY ISN'T PLAYER X INVITED?" "WHY ARE YOU SO STUPID MLG?" -- What if MLG asked him and he declined? Those comments are absolutely pointless.
On September 10 2011 10:38 MLG_Adam wrote: Guys we invited many people that are not on the current list. To confirm speculation: Yes many people declined invitations. All that being said, we are EXTREMELY happy to have such a stellar top to bottom roster in our first stab at this.
I understand your point though, and you are right. If there wouldn't be such a line-up for KR bracket or EU, even i wouldn't possibly be paying to watch this.
This is better than nothing, keep that in mind.
ps.
I don't mind people who give them concrete criticism or dislike their picks, but at least put some effort in your message before posting.
On September 10 2011 10:38 MLG_Adam wrote: Guys we invited many people that are not on the current list. To confirm speculation: Yes many people declined invitations. All that being said, we are EXTREMELY happy to have such a stellar top to bottom roster in our first stab at this.
Love that people whine like little spoiled kids about the invites and not even reading all the posts before they do....
On September 10 2011 10:38 MLG_Adam wrote: Guys we invited many people that are not on the current list. To confirm speculation: Yes many people declined invitations. All that being said, we are EXTREMELY happy to have such a stellar top to bottom roster in our first stab at this.
Love that people whine like little spoiled kids about the invites and not even reading all the posts before they do....
Us whiners have read those posts. I assume its just no way that they asked ALL of the better players (there a LOT of players that are better than the invited) and ALL of them declined. MLG are pretty ignorant when is comes to the EU scene, just watch SOTG (JP represents MLG there)
Why are all these big tournaments only doing invitationals... It's boring seeing the same players over and over again and it doesn't give other people a chance to qualify.
On September 10 2011 17:22 Toez wrote: what the hell destiny is doing in that list ?
You understand this was an invite. Besides the fact many turned this tournament down, people like Destiny and iNcontrol have pull. People will watch them play, even if they don't know many of the other players. It's a smart move by MLG and it gives these guys a chance to prove themselves. I for one like seeing more variety instead of the standard player list, which most of the brackets are.
On September 10 2011 21:32 Grettin wrote: Some of you people are fucking unbelievable. MLG throws a sick looking tournament, but you just keep and keep whining why isn't player X in the tournament or why is this player in it, "WHAT THE FUCK MLG, WHY YOU SO STUPID?!?!?!". Just be fucking grateful for once..
Brackets looking pretty good. Naniwa vs Sase is going to be hard for both, WhiteRa vs Ret, whole Korean bracket is going to be sick straight from Round 1... wow.
I can't personally wait for this. Casters are great, and players/brackets are great enough. Good luck and good job MLG!
'Grateful?!?!' What the fuck are you talking about bro, these 'you people' are paying customers, either directly through membership or indirectly through ads. MLG isn't doing us a favour, they are providing a service in return for payment. They aren't a fucking charity providing us with content cause they wanna see us smile, it is a paid service and as a result customers have a right to expect their monies worth...
You've read and heard that they invited bunch of people, some declined or didn't want to play for some reason. If you don't like the line-up then don't fucking pay to watch it. But why you need to come here and say "WHY ISN'T PLAYER X INVITED?" "WHY ARE YOU SO STUPID MLG?" -- What if MLG asked him and he declined? Those comments are absolutely pointless.
On September 10 2011 10:38 MLG_Adam wrote: Guys we invited many people that are not on the current list. To confirm speculation: Yes many people declined invitations. All that being said, we are EXTREMELY happy to have such a stellar top to bottom roster in our first stab at this.
I understand your point though, and you are right. If there wouldn't be such a line-up for KR bracket or EU, even i wouldn't possibly be paying to watch this.
This is better than nothing, keep that in mind.
ps.
I don't mind people who give them concrete criticism or dislike their picks, but at least put some effort in your message before posting.
This has nothing to do with who people are picking, you seem to be under the illusion that the consumer has no right to voice what they would like in a service provided to them, and I was just informing you that you are wrong. And remember we are on a discussion board in a topic dedicated to discussion on this issue. Nobody has to be 'grateful' that they are being given something that they paid for...
And yes I know some people turned down their invites, I just don't think that there were THAT many people who would have. There are people who have attended almost every MLG to battle through the open bracket for a shot at the title. Whilst the prize pool is smaller, it is a much easier run to first place than having to fight through the open bracket and then beat a bunch of Koreans. I don't think it is something that someone would just turn down for no reason. And if they gotta resort to bringing in incontrol and destiny...
Anyway that's beside the point, I was just annoyed how you expect people to 'just be grateful', as if MLG was giving this to us cause they felt like being top blokes instead of running a business.
Saying 'it's better than nothing' is ridiculous, this isnt a charity, this isn't something that we should consider ourselves lucky that someone is putting this show on for us, and that we should just take what we can get and shut up lol.
Anyway overall I'm pretty happy with the lineup, as mentioned earlier I just got annoyed by what you said.
Lol, jantelagen rules! Over half of the people complaining about too many Swedes are Swedes themselves. I'm sorry to say it was my knee jerk reaction too ;-)
It's obvious they've invited players based on connections and popularity. I don't see anything wrong with that, except they should probably not claim them to be among the "worlds best players".
One last time guys We invited a lot of European, NA, and Korean players that a) turned down the invite b) simply did not respond.
Admittedly it was on short notice, but again, we're very, very happy with the great line up we have. You guys might not like x, y, or z being invited, but you have to admit that this is a pretty damn good collection of players.
Also, I agree with people saying that consumers should complain when they see something they're not satisfied with. This tournament was meant as an add on for the HD service that Gold/Silver members already paid for, for more video content for our general fan base, and as a test of life for some ideas in 2012. We're doing our best, and even if all of the feedback over these 24 pages is not completely positive, it is still feedback and we appreciate it. Keep it coming, we need to hear the complaints with the praise if we ever want to make you guys relatively happy. (although we could drop $100 bills from the ceiling in Orlando and people would still not be happy about something )
On September 11 2011 00:03 MLG_Adam wrote: We invited a lot of European, ...
I think it's more Sweden vs NA vs Korea. I love Sweden and their attitude towards eSports. Rooting for Ret, Nani and Jinro. I miss Kas and Stephano on the list but that's my little opinion.
On September 11 2011 00:03 MLG_Adam wrote: One last time guys We invited a lot of European, NA, and Korean players that a) turned down the invite b) simply did not respond.
Admittedly it was on short notice, but again, we're very, very happy with the great line up we have. You guys might not like x, y, or z being invited, but you have to admit that this is a pretty damn good collection of players.
Also, I agree with people saying that consumers should complain when they see something they're not satisfied with. This tournament was meant as an add on for the HD service that Gold/Silver members already paid for, for more video content for our general fan base, and as a test of life for some ideas in 2012. We're doing our best, and even if all of the feedback over these 24 pages is not completely positive, it is still feedback and we appreciate it. Keep it coming, we need to hear the complaints with the praise if we ever want to make you guys relatively happy. (although we could drop $100 bills from the ceiling in Orlando and people would still not be happy about something )
I agree with the bolded part 1000%, some people will never be satisfied and always complain. Its sad too, after the community did such a great job in responding to that CBS article, we turn around and bitch about another great thing that MLG is doing for esports.
On September 10 2011 22:14 ThatGuy89 wrote: arent these picked off the MLG rankings? and the people like HuK who arent there would have just declined? and as for all the incontrol hate, you name 16 NA players who are ranked higher in MLG then him?
Any random GM/top M player is better than incontrol, simple as that.
Yes but wouldn't you enjoy watching Incontrol being brutalized by a good player more than some random GM player being destroyed?
On September 11 2011 00:03 MLG_Adam wrote: (although we could drop $100 bills from the ceiling in Orlando and people would still not be happy about something )
yeah, probably something along the lines: "these $100 bills are dirty and creased... why doesn't MLG give us brand new bills!!?! they are killing esports"
but really, Destiny just got 3-0 by TLO in the shoutcraft invitational, and TLO isn't anywhere near to being one of the top europeans right now.... though it would be mighty funny if he can run Idra off the tournament with some BM...
I can't wait. I'll even put this on my google calendar which I almost never use just so I don't forget. One thing though: "All broadcasts begin at 7pm ET" What the hell... Why would you make the europeans and koreans play at these ungodly hours when these are regionals (meaning why would you make me stay so late at night).
On September 11 2011 01:48 luckyStarr wrote: I can't wait. I'll even put this on my google calendar which I almost never use just so I don't forget. One thing though: "All broadcasts begin at 7pm ET" What the hell... Why would you make the europeans and koreans play at these ungodly hours when these are regionals (meaning why would you make me stay so late at night).
A lot of the global matches will be cast from replay. We don't want to torture the players
On September 11 2011 01:48 luckyStarr wrote: I can't wait. I'll even put this on my google calendar which I almost never use just so I don't forget. One thing though: "All broadcasts begin at 7pm ET" What the hell... Why would you make the europeans and koreans play at these ungodly hours when these are regionals (meaning why would you make me stay so late at night).
"Because of the timezone differences associated with a regional tournament of this sort, some matches will be cast from replays (we will let you know when this is the case), but we will attempt to cast matches live whenever we can."
Right on the MLG page. Would have been a fairly obvious assumption either way. Common sense needs to be applied before posting.
Also, Huk posted on Twitter saying he declined because he didn't want to play with cross-region lag for so little money.
On September 11 2011 01:54 DaNoob wrote: hmm...any way you could tell us which players declined? or is that some kind of privacy violation?
It is borderline disrespectful to players to officially announce this type of thing. We respect their decision not to participate and hope to have more competitors join in the future.
I feel like a lot of people aren't reading the thread. They invited other people but some declined. It is possible that they invited select but he declined. People are flipping out about the invites when they have no idea who declined.
On September 11 2011 00:03 MLG_Adam wrote: One last time guys We invited a lot of European, NA, and Korean players that a) turned down the invite b) simply did not respond.
Admittedly it was on short notice, but again, we're very, very happy with the great line up we have. You guys might not like x, y, or z being invited, but you have to admit that this is a pretty damn good collection of players.
Also, I agree with people saying that consumers should complain when they see something they're not satisfied with. This tournament was meant as an add on for the HD service that Gold/Silver members already paid for, for more video content for our general fan base, and as a test of life for some ideas in 2012. We're doing our best, and even if all of the feedback over these 24 pages is not completely positive, it is still feedback and we appreciate it. Keep it coming, we need to hear the complaints with the praise if we ever want to make you guys relatively happy. (although we could drop $100 bills from the ceiling in Orlando and people would still not be happy about something )
From the ceiling? How is that fair for the shorter people!? God, MLG, can't you do anything right!!!!!!!
They pretty much have to invite incontrol due to stuff he does for the community and not based his play ability. Even Cruncher is a better player than him, but he's not invited.
I'm sure many of the lesser known players from clans like VP, gosu or xsix would not have declined the offer and are proven to consistently beat many of the invited players.
Great line up only player I really miss, especially since his recent results is: MaNa, dude has the best foreign results. But still damn I'm so looking forward to these 3 tournaments and of course the final BIG THING!!!
(Of course players like HuK, Select & NesTea are missing, but I guess they all declined for some reason)
On September 11 2011 06:09 TanKLoveR wrote: It's sad to see incontrol in that list T_T, he won't get anywhere and just make it easier for Idra to win. Invite Select and Qxc instead, also Huk .
Agree select is really missing from this list . also QXC has shown some really impressive results. But Huk most likely denied competing. He learned from his mistakes and figured he will compete is fewer tournaments. Incontrol is based on the impressive showing he had 3 MLG ago. nothing more!
On September 11 2011 05:31 mark05 wrote: cant wait to hear artosis cast majOr games, to see if he'll stay professional ^^
haha, my thoughts^^ could get funny :D
ppl here shouldnt be that stressed out. - the guys who hate the invite list (me2 btw, really strange eu lineup, wazzup bros, many declines?!?) should be a bit less harsh - dont you get it, that nobody likes to ppl who cry like a baby? :p - the guys who hate the hate-the-invite-list guys should realize that we are indeed MLG's customers and can critizise (although its still important HOW you say it)
On September 10 2011 22:17 Ryder. wrote: Dunno why people are whining about EU lineup, given the sloppy NA lineup. I understand they want people who have been to MLG but come on, this is a serious popularity contest; Destiny/incontrol? Incontrol hasn't won a game in pool play for ages, and has Destiny even made it past 3rd round? Would be much more deserving to go to Inca or Cruncher or Select (given he didn't decline). At least Inca and Cruncher have battled their way through open brackets a couple of times, even if they aren't the best players out there...
ppl are whining about EU lineup cos it has 6 swedes and jinro/haypro arent even top 20 EU
People are whining cause we get to see these players in every fucking tournament, and its getting a bit boring. There's so many other good and interesting players in Europe like dimaga, elfi, stephano, kas, strelok, tod, morrow, lucifron, socke, darkforce etc. It's so boring cause we would most likely see the majority of these players play at the mlg finals at the same time.
On September 11 2011 06:09 TanKLoveR wrote: It's sad to see incontrol in that list T_T, he won't get anywhere and just make it easier for Idra to win. Invite Select and Qxc instead, also Huk .
Agree select is really missing from this list . also QXC has shown some really impressive results. But Huk most likely denied competing. He learned from his mistakes and figured he will compete is fewer tournaments. Incontrol is based on the impressive showing he had 3 MLG ago. nothing more!
My guess is hes there cuz everybody else declined for whatever reason and the had to fill the slot . Well i will still enjoy the european and korean events so it's all good.
On September 11 2011 11:52 hrvoje07 wrote: Stephano just took loads of koreans on his way to IPL3, he is going to be n1 foreign player in few weeks, and thanks to JP he wasnt invited
Select is going to Korea to train. Most likely why he (and guys like HuK) declined their invitation. HuK has already stated that he didnt want to deal with the latency from Krn to NA
While the overarching concept here, an online feeder tournament i can't help but feel this is a missed opportunity, not so much with the Korea and America invites, but the Europe ones. I thought the whole point of this was to give an opportunity for those players who don't want to go through the expensive open bracket slog/gamble a chance to compete on even terms. Instead, MLG seem to have just invited, with the exception of SaSe, the players that would, or already have, turned up to MLG anyway!
While it's true they could have invited players who turned the offer down, i do find it hard to believe people would turn down a chance to compete for a paid trip, to earn guaranteed money. Nonetheless i look forward to watching this, and i'm sure there will be some great games, but this will always be in the back of my mind =(
Looking forward to this tournament! Hopefully we get some epic matches and the lag is not too bad. I would like White Ra to beast it up again and stomp his way into a top 4 finish! Either way this will be a nice way to have people from other regions have a chance to go to MLG National Finals with a paid trip.
People need to stop bitching that their favourite player either was not invited or declined the invite. If you want the players missing from this tournament in one big one, then get out of the chair and start a tournament and see how easy it is to get an international tournament going.
On September 11 2011 11:52 hrvoje07 wrote: Stephano just took loads of koreans on his way to IPL3, he is going to be n1 foreign player in few weeks, and thanks to JP he wasnt invited
On September 11 2011 00:03 MLG_Adam wrote: One last time guys We invited a lot of European, NA, and Korean players that a) turned down the invite b) simply did not respond.
Admittedly it was on short notice, but again, we're very, very happy with the great line up we have. You guys might not like x, y, or z being invited, but you have to admit that this is a pretty damn good collection of players.
Also, I agree with people saying that consumers should complain when they see something they're not satisfied with. This tournament was meant as an add on for the HD service that Gold/Silver members already paid for, for more video content for our general fan base, and as a test of life for some ideas in 2012. We're doing our best, and even if all of the feedback over these 24 pages is not completely positive, it is still feedback and we appreciate it. Keep it coming, we need to hear the complaints with the praise if we ever want to make you guys relatively happy. (although we could drop $100 bills from the ceiling in Orlando and people would still not be happy about something )
From the ceiling? How is that fair for the shorter people!? God, MLG, can't you do anything right!!!!!!!
We're to the point where popular players will be turning down invites. They only have so much time available and, depending on current location/tournament schedules, they'll have to make attendance choices. All told, they're fairly solid invites. There's 1-2 on each you can quibble with, but if you look at the whole lists, they're players that MLG has dealt with a lot, which would tend to be the players that would except this type of thing more.
On September 11 2011 11:52 hrvoje07 wrote: Stephano just took loads of koreans on his way to IPL3, he is going to be n1 foreign player in few weeks, and thanks to JP he wasnt invited
he beat Socke, Revival, Puzzle, Kiwi, MMA (and anypro , MKP last week). And still no invitations anywhere.
I don't even think this was based off invites... I think everyone except Sase has mlg ranked points. Don't spew shit about how jp chose who got invited and he maliciously left him out..... Also IPL3 is an on line tourney, and it is played at a really inconvinient time for the koreans. Take thorzain vs MC for example, Thorzain beat mc online, but when they played at other lans mc did not drop a series.
On September 11 2011 11:52 hrvoje07 wrote: Stephano just took loads of koreans on his way to IPL3, he is going to be n1 foreign player in few weeks, and thanks to JP he wasnt invited
That's the question, are Nerchio and Stephano forced to decline a lot of tournament invitations, because they are still in school? Otherwise it would just be laughable. Any american zerg player with the same awesome results like Stephano would be invited to every tournament instantly, but in Stephano's case it takes a lot of time till the americans take notice of him.
6/8 Swedes in EU . All of the invites seem solid anyway, in Europe their are alot of people who you could say ''should have been invited''. But then again all the invites deserve it 100%!
On September 11 2011 11:52 hrvoje07 wrote: Stephano just took loads of koreans on his way to IPL3, he is going to be n1 foreign player in few weeks, and thanks to JP he wasnt invited
Edit: Are these invites based on their MLG seed? And what if youre a european living in korea/usa (DeMusliM comes to mind), what region do you belong to?
On September 11 2011 20:30 Fluffeh wrote: Haha 6 swedish players in the Europe Bracket x)
Edit: Are these invites based on their MLG seed? And what if youre a european living in korea/usa (DeMusliM comes to mind), what region do you belong to?
I don't think these are based on MLG seeds, IMO it seems like a huge tournament showmatch with whoever accepts there invites.
My Predictions: EU: Naniwa and Ret With Naniwa fresh off Korea-training and Ret still being the ultra sick nerd baller that he is, I definitely think they'll be the top for the group. Thorzain is an extremely dangerous contender though, and of course I wouldn't mind at all if White-Ra took the whole tournament :D
NA: Idra and KiwiKaki This one was a lot tougher, but I'm gonna go with Idra and Kiwi. The only people I could imagine giving a problem to these two would be Sheth and Tyler (if he brings his A+ game). Slush and iNcontroL are great but I just don't see them being able to compete, and I'm not crazy about Major. Of course as a fan, I would love to see Destiny win the group, but sadly I don't think there's much of a chance :-/
KR: MVP and Losira MVP is a no-brainer, a TvT god in a group with 4 other Terrans? Not to mention I think his style is strong enough to beat the rest of these players handily. Losira is my second for this group because (in my mind) he would be the best Zerg in Korea if not for NesTea. Also worth noting, poor Hero as the sole protoss in his group
Really people, this shows the full roster of people that accepted their invites. It speaks nothing of all those who received invites and declined due to lack of desire, full schedules, or just conflicting events.
It also appears that prior MLG participation was considered as well, and as much as it may dilute the field, MLG has the right to do as they please.
Altho I like the invites, it would be fun to see a polish or ukrainian zerg instead of haypro for example. Id like to see mana too since he has been on fire lately.
On September 11 2011 11:52 hrvoje07 wrote: Stephano just took loads of koreans on his way to IPL3, he is going to be n1 foreign player in few weeks, and thanks to JP he wasnt invited
he beat Socke, Revival, Puzzle, Kiwi, MMA (and anypro , MKP last week). And still no invitations anywhere.
I don't even think this was based off invites... I think everyone except Sase has mlg ranked points. Don't spew shit about how jp chose who got invited and he maliciously left him out..... Also IPL3 is an on line tourney, and it is played at a really inconvinient time for the koreans. Take thorzain vs MC for example, Thorzain beat mc online, but when they played at other lans mc did not drop a series.
Thorzain beat MC when they were both at Dreamhack in TSL3.
On September 12 2011 01:08 Dub_doubt wrote: Why would they pick incontrol? He does terrible every tournament. Not just hating but look at his numbers. Huk should have been in instead
My guess was they felt it would bring more viewers...I may be completely off though. I agree they should of invited Huk...but as someone else said maybe they did and he just couldn't make time for it.
I guess this ivitational is going to be good and exciting to watch. But a bit of me does think its rotten to use this as a qualifier for Providence. I mean its hard enough for players not in the pools to get good rank points to try and qualify for it without losing a slot to a well known invited player.
On September 12 2011 03:20 BigLighthouse wrote: I guess this ivitational is going to be good and exciting to watch. But a bit of me does think its rotten to use this as a qualifier for Providence. I mean its hard enough for players not in the pools to get good rank points to try and qualify for it without losing a slot to a well known invited player.
This has NOTHING to do with seeding for Providence. The players that make it to the finals of the invitational will play it out live in Providence in parallel to the Pro Circuit National Championship. They will exist as 2 separate competitions.
Can the OP or a moderator edit the original post with my clarification on invites? Seems like the same comments are happening over and over due to 30 pages of discussion based on only the first post.
On September 12 2011 01:08 Dub_doubt wrote: Why would they pick incontrol? He does terrible every tournament. Not just hating but look at his numbers. Huk should have been in instead
My guess was they felt it would bring more viewers...I may be completely off though. I agree they should of invited Huk...but as someone else said maybe they did and he just couldn't make time for it.
Its not maybe, he said so on his twitter that he declined his invite.
On September 12 2011 03:20 BigLighthouse wrote: I guess this ivitational is going to be good and exciting to watch. But a bit of me does think its rotten to use this as a qualifier for Providence. I mean its hard enough for players not in the pools to get good rank points to try and qualify for it without losing a slot to a well known invited player.
This has NOTHING to do with seeding for Providence. The players that make it to the finals of the invitational will play it out live in Providence in parallel to the Pro Circuit National Championship. They will exist as 2 separate competitions.
Can the OP or a moderator edit the original post with my clarification on invites? Seems like the same comments are happening over and over due to 30 pages of discussion based on only the first post.
Or just lock this thread and direct everybody to the offical tourney thread in the tourney forum:
Well, I love Destiny and he's made great bounds and strides in his ability and revolutionary play, but I sadly don't think he's going to be able to make much of a run...
Meh, I don't really like it that 6 of the european players are swedes. Doesn't feel really european, I don't see my region represented. It'll be an interesting tournament nonetheless, even though it won't be an extremely awesome tournament.
6/8 EU from sweden? I mean, they're each very good players, but even I would like to see some more variety. I suppose the invites are based of MLG performance/attendance, but then socke should have been invited.
On September 11 2011 21:38 fallman wrote: how does Sase get these spots? i never seen him preform. heard i cheesed out namiwa in some swedish tournament but that cant be enough? ^^
Are you kidding? He's won 3 tournaments so far this year with top EU players attending, plus a 2nd place in CPL invitational, only beaten by marine king.
Sase is currently ripping up the korean ladder right now. He's won 14 of his last 16 ladder games and is currently ranked #19 GM in korea.
Some of the invites were probably turned down due to the fact that certain players (like HuK) will be in Korea training for the GSL or extremely busy or not interested in playing with the Korea/NA lag.
Uff, uff, times of broadcast are crap for EU. At least MLG was friday, saturday so we could sleep later over the weekend but for us that have a job this is impossible to watch. If they timed it for 11PM CET then EU could probably watch. At least they could do that for EU part of the tournament.
Read the OP, many of the people they approached said no or didn't respond at all. Nobody in their right mind thinks Destiny is more deserving then at least 10 other NA players.
On September 12 2011 21:50 ishboh wrote: like....way too many liquid players in this, i mean, they put in every single player from liquid except TLO...is there a reason for this?
i think that haypro is way less deserving for the EU invite than players such as morrow, dimaga, stephano, nerchio, etc.
no select? : (
no nestea? : (
People, please read the now updated OP before posting anything stupid/complaining about why player xyz wasn't invited and why player abc was invited! You're causing MLG_Adam to lose his mind!
On September 12 2011 07:18 Yamulo wrote: If mlg keeps making more content like this I am 100% going to buy a gold year membership ^^! Especially with how awesome 2012 sounds, I can't wait.
Totally agree, the only reasons I was hesitant on a gold membership was the barely monthly content I would get. I am almost certainly buying a gold membership tomorrow in order to watch this. Thanks MLG!
On September 12 2011 21:50 ishboh wrote: like....way too many liquid players in this, i mean, they put in every single player from liquid except TLO...is there a reason for this?
i think that haypro is way less deserving for the EU invite than players such as morrow, dimaga, stephano, nerchio, etc.
no select? : (
no nestea? : (
People, please read the now updated OP before posting anything stupid/complaining about why player xyz wasn't invited and why player abc was invited! You're causing MLG_Adam to lose his mind!
sry but it doesnt matter what adam is writing. there are at least 30 players which should get invited instead of haypro and i doubt that all of them declined an invite.
Well, I think this looks really good. Not sure what all the whine is about, a lot of people obviously declined or couldn't make it, we still have a ridiculous player pool..
On September 12 2011 21:50 ishboh wrote: like....way too many liquid players in this, i mean, they put in every single player from liquid except TLO...is there a reason for this?
i think that haypro is way less deserving for the EU invite than players such as morrow, dimaga, stephano, nerchio, etc.
no select? : (
no nestea? : (
People, please read the now updated OP before posting anything stupid/complaining about why player xyz wasn't invited and why player abc was invited! You're causing MLG_Adam to lose his mind!
sry but it doesnt matter what adam is writing. there are at least 30 players which should get invited instead of haypro and i doubt that all of them declined an invite.
Lets be honest, they cant put everyones favourit in the invites. 1 who knows who declined for whatever reason and 2 then we'd have a tournament that just would be to big and unamangable.
Also, Im wondering about some of these comments like "this player is just invited cause he's popular not cause he's the best". Well big whoopiedo... Is that very strange? there is few ways to measure whos better than the other person and in alot of ways its just down to the spectators personal feelings, just like the whole popular thing is. I dont think its strange at all popular players gets invited and wouldnt have it any other way.
Also maybe Im totally wrong here but if there are players out there that gives and does a bit more for the community and for e-sports then is that so wrong to invite that player to tournaments even if he might not own every korean player in the face? I dont think it is. Those are often the "popular" players and there is a reason for that. Hard work, committment etc.
Don't understand what there is to complain about this tournament, other then the fact that I'm not a huge fan of vods on twitch.tv, but whatever. Also JP is boss at commentating, enjoyed it super much alongside Artosis!
hmmm. I think there could certainly be some different names on the EU list (People I know weren't contacted) but regardless this looks to be an awesome tournament.
SC2 is far along enough to invite people based on solely results. It's a shame to see slots taken by obviously inferior players, i won't say names but it's pretty obvious. And yes no need to point out to me that some people declined invites; that doesn't somehow mean that certain people were the only choices left. People are going to criticize every invitational when this happens over and over again because there's no way that every better player declined.
I mean ffs some of those people aren't even exactly popular; well known prehaps but not popular because they keep losing every tournament they are in. The only reason they are known is preciesly because they keep getting invited in the first place.
EPT
We invited a lot of European, NA, and Korean players that a) turned down the invite b) simply did not respond. 
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