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On September 06 2011 03:03 Like a Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 02:57 ThatGuy89 wrote:On September 06 2011 02:55 -_- wrote:
btw, for people who say Major getting kicked off Sixjax makes him unmarketable: this thread is currently 69 pages. He's getting to be a legitimate star. yea 69 pages, but alot of bad publicity id be surprised if any clan picked up major tbh I'd be surprised if he want to join any clan. If he was any older and have 10k lying around he could be just like white-ra, be teamless and live of tournament winnins. Teams in starcraft 2 are over rated because it is a 1 v 1 sport.
So i guess that other 1v1 sports like biathlon, boxing and uncountable others sports are doing it wrong too?
I'm really confused how blind you are to the many advantages that teams give to players.
Just in case you still wonder: Teams take a lot of time and stress from your shoulders when they are organizing stuff for you. Having a regular income, having sponsors and fans, having training partners for intense training and discussion, having team spirit.
I guess the top 3 players worldwide would be able to get enough money to have a somewhat regular income, but without teams they'd pretty soon not be top 3 world players anymore.
I really hope that Major/Kitty/Terran makes another statement. I don't usually like that kind of drama but in this case it is so absurd and Six Jax seems so correct, that it would make the whole thing even more entertaining.
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On September 06 2011 03:03 Like a Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 02:57 ThatGuy89 wrote:On September 06 2011 02:55 -_- wrote:
btw, for people who say Major getting kicked off Sixjax makes him unmarketable: this thread is currently 69 pages. He's getting to be a legitimate star. yea 69 pages, but alot of bad publicity id be surprised if any clan picked up major tbh I'd be surprised if he want to join any clan. If he was any older and have 10k lying around he could be just like white-ra, be teamless and live of tournament winnins. Teams in starcraft 2 are over rated because it is a 1 v 1 sport.
If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? If you're over the age of 18 I'd hope that you would realize by now that "10k lying around" isn't something that happens. Sadly the chances are even slimmer if he's devoting his time to playing SC2.
That said though, I hope he does get on a team. I doubt he will but if he wants to become a better player then a team and Korea need to be his goals.
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On September 06 2011 03:09 ThatGuy89 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 03:07 lisward wrote:On September 06 2011 02:59 Mordiford wrote:On September 06 2011 02:56 lisward wrote:On September 06 2011 02:51 msjakofsky wrote:On September 06 2011 02:49 blade55555 wrote:On September 06 2011 02:45 lisward wrote:On September 06 2011 02:40 msjakofsky wrote:On September 06 2011 02:38 zev318 wrote:On September 06 2011 02:36 msjakofsky wrote:[quote] ofc i knew it  now just tell me which one of Idra's results made you jaw drop, i'm waiting curiously what kind of statement is that lol hey tell me which one of major's accomplishments made your jaw drop... cause you would say none of idra's accomplishments matter to you and i would say none of major's accomplishments matter to me. that wasn't even a statement Idra doesn't have great results, Major doesn't have either, that's the point Because Idra's only achieved a top 3 placing at almost all the major foreign tournaments. What happens next: This guy fails to name any foreign player with more accomplishments than Idra, and proceeds to say that only the GSL winners have results that are, jaw dropping. he's a blind hater lol would just ignore him tbh as there is no reasoning with them ever just like fanboys as well  . nah i'm neither. but saying "idra top3 in almost every tournament" is a little bit delusional I agree with you! Thank god I specifically mentioned almost every major tournament. Like MLG. And Dreamhack. And IEM. And IGN. Yep I'm pretty delusional. Also, produce a foreign player with more achievements in Starcraft 2 than Idra. Sen and Naniwa off the top of my head. I guess you can throw Thorzain in there too, and anyone who has won like 1 or 2 tournaments really. IdrA has won the IPL and an old ass MLG for his achievements as far as SC2 goes to my knowledge. Too bad your knowledge is wrong, I just listed all of his achievements, you would know that if you actually read what you quote. Sen's Results: North American Star League Season 1 BronzeHD World Tournament BronzeEM Season V - SEA Championship BronzeRoot Gaming's WARZONE SilverFXOpen Path of Ascension SilverNaniwa's results are comparable to Idra's too lazy to list them out. Thorzain's results still cannot compare to Idra's. Exactly  personally i think HuK would be the closest and i think possibly might actually have more. I'd put making it to the RO8 twice in code s (i think he made it twice) much much better then making to top 8 in MLG or IEM or anything
Well to be fair I didn't put in anything below Fourth as an achievement, but Huk's got more Gold's than Idra.
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On September 06 2011 03:03 Like a Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 02:57 ThatGuy89 wrote:On September 06 2011 02:55 -_- wrote:
btw, for people who say Major getting kicked off Sixjax makes him unmarketable: this thread is currently 69 pages. He's getting to be a legitimate star. yea 69 pages, but alot of bad publicity id be surprised if any clan picked up major tbh I'd be surprised if he want to join any clan. If he was any older and have 10k lying around he could be just like white-ra, be teamless and live of tournament winnins. Teams in starcraft 2 are over rated because it is a 1 v 1 sport.
You can't live off 10k.... Maybe for 2 or 3 months? Also, isn't White Ra part of Team Thermal Take or at least sponsored by them.
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On September 06 2011 03:13 lisward wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 03:09 ThatGuy89 wrote:On September 06 2011 03:07 lisward wrote:On September 06 2011 02:59 Mordiford wrote:On September 06 2011 02:56 lisward wrote:On September 06 2011 02:51 msjakofsky wrote:On September 06 2011 02:49 blade55555 wrote:On September 06 2011 02:45 lisward wrote:On September 06 2011 02:40 msjakofsky wrote:On September 06 2011 02:38 zev318 wrote:
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what kind of statement is that lol
hey tell me which one of major's accomplishments made your jaw drop... cause you would say none of idra's accomplishments matter to you and i would say none of major's accomplishments matter to me. that wasn't even a statement Idra doesn't have great results, Major doesn't have either, that's the point Because Idra's only achieved a top 3 placing at almost all the major foreign tournaments. What happens next: This guy fails to name any foreign player with more accomplishments than Idra, and proceeds to say that only the GSL winners have results that are, jaw dropping. he's a blind hater lol would just ignore him tbh as there is no reasoning with them ever just like fanboys as well . nah i'm neither. but saying "idra top3 in almost every tournament" is a little bit delusional I agree with you! Thank god I specifically mentioned almost every major tournament. Like MLG. And Dreamhack. And IEM. And IGN. Yep I'm pretty delusional. Also, produce a foreign player with more achievements in Starcraft 2 than Idra. Sen and Naniwa off the top of my head. I guess you can throw Thorzain in there too, and anyone who has won like 1 or 2 tournaments really. IdrA has won the IPL and an old ass MLG for his achievements as far as SC2 goes to my knowledge. Too bad your knowledge is wrong, I just listed all of his achievements, you would know that if you actually read what you quote. Sen's Results: North American Star League Season 1 BronzeHD World Tournament BronzeEM Season V - SEA Championship BronzeRoot Gaming's WARZONE SilverFXOpen Path of Ascension SilverNaniwa's results are comparable to Idra's too lazy to list them out. Thorzain's results still cannot compare to Idra's. Exactly personally i think HuK would be the closest and i think possibly might actually have more. I'd put making it to the RO8 twice in code s (i think he made it twice) much much better then making to top 8 in MLG or IEM or anything Well to be fair I didn't put in anything below Fourth as an achievement, but Huk's got more Gold's than Idra.
Counting golds is a stupid fucking way to judge success. I can have 100 golds in random tournaments and still not compare in any way to a player who has won a GSL.
If you think IdrA is the most accomplished foreigner, you have to be out of your mind or using the most skewed and inefficient basis for judging success ever.
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Yeah major seems to be a little eccentric, but that was known before he was signed.
The one thing that seems to be consistent is the bad rep with sixjax.
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On September 06 2011 02:55 -_- wrote:
btw, for people who say Major getting kicked off Sixjax makes him unmarketable: this thread is currently 69 pages. He's getting to be a legitimate star.
Despite the popular saying, there is such a thing as bad publicity.
Major will have it a lot harder to find a new team willing to put up with his behaviour after this incident, not easier.
On September 06 2011 03:20 inamorato wrote:
Yeah major seems to be a little eccentric, but that was known before he was signed.
The one thing that seems to be consistent is the bad rep with sixjax.
Well, actually, there's one other consistent thing, and that's Major not being able to stay with one team for more than a couple months before being kicked out after having burned all the bridges.
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On September 06 2011 03:17 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 03:13 lisward wrote:On September 06 2011 03:09 ThatGuy89 wrote:On September 06 2011 03:07 lisward wrote:On September 06 2011 02:59 Mordiford wrote:On September 06 2011 02:56 lisward wrote:On September 06 2011 02:51 msjakofsky wrote:On September 06 2011 02:49 blade55555 wrote:On September 06 2011 02:45 lisward wrote:On September 06 2011 02:40 msjakofsky wrote:
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that wasn't even a statement
Idra doesn't have great results, Major doesn't have either, that's the point Because Idra's only achieved a top 3 placing at almost all the major foreign tournaments. What happens next: This guy fails to name any foreign player with more accomplishments than Idra, and proceeds to say that only the GSL winners have results that are, jaw dropping. he's a blind hater lol would just ignore him tbh as there is no reasoning with them ever just like fanboys as well . nah i'm neither. but saying "idra top3 in almost every tournament" is a little bit delusional I agree with you! Thank god I specifically mentioned almost every major tournament. Like MLG. And Dreamhack. And IEM. And IGN. Yep I'm pretty delusional. Also, produce a foreign player with more achievements in Starcraft 2 than Idra. Sen and Naniwa off the top of my head. I guess you can throw Thorzain in there too, and anyone who has won like 1 or 2 tournaments really. IdrA has won the IPL and an old ass MLG for his achievements as far as SC2 goes to my knowledge. Too bad your knowledge is wrong, I just listed all of his achievements, you would know that if you actually read what you quote. Sen's Results: North American Star League Season 1 BronzeHD World Tournament BronzeEM Season V - SEA Championship BronzeRoot Gaming's WARZONE SilverFXOpen Path of Ascension SilverNaniwa's results are comparable to Idra's too lazy to list them out. Thorzain's results still cannot compare to Idra's. Exactly personally i think HuK would be the closest and i think possibly might actually have more. I'd put making it to the RO8 twice in code s (i think he made it twice) much much better then making to top 8 in MLG or IEM or anything Well to be fair I didn't put in anything below Fourth as an achievement, but Huk's got more Gold's than Idra. Counting golds is a stupid fucking way to judge success. I can have 100 golds in random tournaments and still not compare in any way to a player who has won a GSL. If you think IdrA is the most accomplished foreigner, you have to be out of your mind or using the most skewed and inefficient basis for judging success ever.
Well the Gold's were pretty high level tournaments like Dreamhack and Homestory cup to be precise, but that's off topic and the whole point of this success thing was to try and establish that Idra's way more accomplished than Major.
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You would think people would realize that skill in the game is becoming less important, it's all about marketability. I won't start listing names here but there are numerous players who have the career Juan seems to want - decent money and opportunities to go to MLG, Korea, etc and are actually inferior players to Juan. A team/organization is not a charity, its job is NOT to just throw away money. It's a two way street where the player has to benefit the sponsors/team and the team has to provide opportunities to the player; this is something Juan can't seem to grasp.
Act like a 14 year old spoiled brat and you get exactly what you deserve. I would be incredibly surprised if any team that has the resources to send him to every MLG and to Korea and provide a good salary would ever take a risk on Juan. And thus, we are doomed to repeating the same process - Juan joins low-mid tier team, gets mad that they are a low-mid tier team, acts like a child, leaves team.
Juan is incredibly skilled and has an amazing amount of potential, but that's not enough anymore. I hope he finds his way in the future.
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On September 06 2011 03:21 lisward wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 03:17 Mordiford wrote:On September 06 2011 03:13 lisward wrote:On September 06 2011 03:09 ThatGuy89 wrote:On September 06 2011 03:07 lisward wrote:On September 06 2011 02:59 Mordiford wrote:On September 06 2011 02:56 lisward wrote:On September 06 2011 02:51 msjakofsky wrote:On September 06 2011 02:49 blade55555 wrote:On September 06 2011 02:45 lisward wrote:
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Because Idra's only achieved a top 3 placing at almost all the major foreign tournaments. What happens next: This guy fails to name any foreign player with more accomplishments than Idra, and proceeds to say that only the GSL winners have results that are, jaw dropping. he's a blind hater lol would just ignore him tbh as there is no reasoning with them ever just like fanboys as well . nah i'm neither. but saying "idra top3 in almost every tournament" is a little bit delusional I agree with you! Thank god I specifically mentioned almost every major tournament. Like MLG. And Dreamhack. And IEM. And IGN. Yep I'm pretty delusional. Also, produce a foreign player with more achievements in Starcraft 2 than Idra. Sen and Naniwa off the top of my head. I guess you can throw Thorzain in there too, and anyone who has won like 1 or 2 tournaments really. IdrA has won the IPL and an old ass MLG for his achievements as far as SC2 goes to my knowledge. Too bad your knowledge is wrong, I just listed all of his achievements, you would know that if you actually read what you quote. Sen's Results: North American Star League Season 1 BronzeHD World Tournament BronzeEM Season V - SEA Championship BronzeRoot Gaming's WARZONE SilverFXOpen Path of Ascension SilverNaniwa's results are comparable to Idra's too lazy to list them out. Thorzain's results still cannot compare to Idra's. Exactly personally i think HuK would be the closest and i think possibly might actually have more. I'd put making it to the RO8 twice in code s (i think he made it twice) much much better then making to top 8 in MLG or IEM or anything Well to be fair I didn't put in anything below Fourth as an achievement, but Huk's got more Gold's than Idra. Counting golds is a stupid fucking way to judge success. I can have 100 golds in random tournaments and still not compare in any way to a player who has won a GSL. If you think IdrA is the most accomplished foreigner, you have to be out of your mind or using the most skewed and inefficient basis for judging success ever. Well the Gold's were pretty high level tournaments like Dreamhack and Homestory cup to be precise, but that's off topic and the whole point of this success thing was to try and establish that Idra's way more accomplished than Major.
No, what you attempted to establish was that IdrA was the most accomplished foreigner, which was an irrelevant and inaccurate derail. Let's not derail further.
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On September 06 2011 03:07 lisward wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 02:59 Mordiford wrote:On September 06 2011 02:56 lisward wrote:On September 06 2011 02:51 msjakofsky wrote:On September 06 2011 02:49 blade55555 wrote:On September 06 2011 02:45 lisward wrote:On September 06 2011 02:40 msjakofsky wrote:On September 06 2011 02:38 zev318 wrote:On September 06 2011 02:36 msjakofsky wrote:On September 06 2011 02:35 lisward wrote:[quote] EG Idra's results: Teamspeak TL Open 22 BronzeWOGL IeSF US Qualifier GoldTeamSpeak TL Open 21 Silver2011 North American Battle.net Invitational Fourth PlaceMLG Columbus 2011 Fourth PlaceTactic 3D Online Tourney SilverIGN ProLeague Season 1 GoldWCG USA 2011 Qualifier #1 Gold2011 DreamHack Stockholm Invitational BronzeMLG D.C. GoldIEM Season V - Global Challenge Cologne SilverMajor: 2011 Latin American Battle.net Invitational GoldNA ZOTAC Cup #11 GoldTeamSpeak TL Open 16 SilverSpazCraft Justin.tv Invitational #1 BronzeYep Idra definitely has no significant results, and is a comparable player to Major in terms of performance. + Show Spoiler +I was being sarcastic, but you already knew that, right? ofc i knew it now just tell me which one of Idra's results made you jaw drop, i'm waiting curiously what kind of statement is that lol hey tell me which one of major's accomplishments made your jaw drop... cause you would say none of idra's accomplishments matter to you and i would say none of major's accomplishments matter to me. that wasn't even a statement Idra doesn't have great results, Major doesn't have either, that's the point Because Idra's only achieved a top 3 placing at almost all the major foreign tournaments. What happens next: This guy fails to name any foreign player with more accomplishments than Idra, and proceeds to say that only the GSL winners have results that are, jaw dropping. he's a blind hater lol would just ignore him tbh as there is no reasoning with them ever just like fanboys as well . nah i'm neither. but saying "idra top3 in almost every tournament" is a little bit delusional I agree with you! Thank god I specifically mentioned almost every major tournament. Like MLG. And Dreamhack. And IEM. And IGN. Yep I'm pretty delusional. Also, produce a foreign player with more achievements in Starcraft 2 than Idra. Sen and Naniwa off the top of my head. I guess you can throw Thorzain in there too, and anyone who has won like 1 or 2 tournaments really. IdrA has won the IPL and an old ass MLG for his achievements as far as SC2 goes to my knowledge. Too bad your knowledge is wrong, I just listed all of his achievements, you would know that if you actually read what you quote. Sen's Results: North American Star League Season 1 BronzeHD World Tournament BronzeEM Season V - SEA Championship BronzeRoot Gaming's WARZONE SilverFXOpen Path of Ascension SilverNaniwa's results are comparable to Idra's too lazy to list them out. Thorzain's results still cannot compare to Idra's.
The fact of the matter is that Idra has more accomplishments than Major and is an overall better player. Idra has a bigger fanbase and deservedly so, as he has consistently been one of the top foreigners since Brood War. Sure Idra BMs in games, but that's entirely different than Major's incidents. Major <i>cheated</i> in the SEA tournament and he got a technical foul in one of the biggest foreign tournaments, something Idra will never come close to. There's a reason Idra is a well respected player in the community and Major is not. The most Idra has ever done was get banned from TL for a little bit.
Btw, before you say Idra's accomplishments aren't jaw dropping... He was a consistent player in the GSL and made it to the round of 8. He was Code S, one of the biggest feats in SC2, especially for a foreigner. At MLG Columbus, he was the top foreign player in terms of results. I really don't get how someone could compare Major to Idra in terms of BM, skill, and overall results.
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Hopefully he can turn it around. Saw him for a while when he was in Root and saw that he was obviously very talented... also saw that he was going to get nowhere until he matured ALOT. I forget how it got brought up (Catz brought up or he did) that he had a project due in school the next day that he hadn't started and would take HOURS to do. Catz told him he should go do it but all Juan did was whine and whine and try to make Catz do his homework for him. It was unbelievably immature. He was acting like a spoiled 10 year old brat. He has some growing up to do before he does anything in this world, Starcraft or otherwise.
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Major is not mature enough to be a professional of any kind. Kid seriously needs to grow the fuck up.
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On September 06 2011 03:03 Like a Boss wrote:
I'd be surprised if he want to join any clan. If he was any older and have 10k lying around he could be just like white-ra, be teamless and live of tournament winnins. Teams in starcraft 2 are over rated because it is a 1 v 1 sport.
If you think this clown has the reputation that will allow him to get personal sponsorship like White-Ra or Boxer... I have a lovely bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
Terran looks like a complete idiot in this entire debacle. Anybody defending him is absolutely delusional.
I honestly hope Blizzard revokes his invite to Blizzcon. I don't want my precious time at the event wasted by having this assclown up on the main stage.
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On September 06 2011 02:09 lisward wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 02:01 LanTAs wrote:
How can idra do this w/o getting kicked off a team? Is BM really enough to get hated by the whole comunity? Why are people saying "this dude is hurting esports"?
Because what Major did was not merely limited BM. Idra BM's people in matches, but he doesn't dick things IRL like forgetting to wear your sponsors T-Shirt, refusing to play for his team, attacking his own team mates and lying about everything. (Refer to his version of the story/SEA incident)
Hell, Idra might bm in ladder games, but the most he does in major tournaments is leave without gging.
From interviews alone, you can see that he is very professional, never fails to mention each and every one of his sponsors whenever possible.
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just seems like Major has been given many chances with several teams and drama like this ALWAYS happens. it just follows him around, whether every accusation is true or not or if its all his fault or not, really doesnt matter much. its just the fact that he causes bullshit like this over and over again with different teams, that he wont get picked up again ( or not anytime soon)
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Another thing regarding Idra...
He's a villain that (tons of) people actually like. Being like-able means you are marketable. In Idra's case... he's EXTREMELY marketable.
Terran just seems like a little baby. And nobody wants to market an unprofessional baby. Because nobody really likes him.
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Srsly, this could've all been avoided by just saying
Major wanted to go to Korea
SJG couldn't send him
He left because of it
No hate, no bashing, just keep that shit away.
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On September 06 2011 03:34 poorbeggarman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 02:09 lisward wrote:On September 06 2011 02:01 LanTAs wrote:
How can idra do this w/o getting kicked off a team? Is BM really enough to get hated by the whole comunity? Why are people saying "this dude is hurting esports"?
Because what Major did was not merely limited BM. Idra BM's people in matches, but he doesn't dick things IRL like forgetting to wear your sponsors T-Shirt, refusing to play for his team, attacking his own team mates and lying about everything. (Refer to his version of the story/SEA incident) Hell, Idra might bm in ladder games, but the most he does in major tournaments is leave without gging. From interviews alone, you can see that he is very professional, never fails to mention each and every one of his sponsors whenever possible.
You must have missed this games vs Mana in the IPL2 or his "fuck off" to Huk @MLG Columbus (?)
I don't really get why Major got a foul for saying "fuck off" to wbc but idras "fuck off" was fine. Double standards by MLG :/
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On September 06 2011 03:37 gullberg wrote:
Srsly, this could've all been avoided by just saying
Major wanted to go to Korea
SJG couldn't send him
He left because of it
No hate, no bashing, just keep that shit away.
Except it would be more like:
- Major wanted to go to Korea
- SJ was going to send him to Korea.
- Major decided to disrespect the hell out of his team (not wearing jerseys, participating in cw's, swearing at teammates, etc)
- SJ decided to NOT reward his childish behavior. Which is completely within their right.
- Major shits on them on TL and lies (as usual).
- More info comes to light that, once again, proves Major is an immature, lying, baby.
No hate, no bashing, just keep that shit away. Right?
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