Well I think it's about time they offered him a full time position, Milkis did a great job translating and taking care of the special invites for MLG. He would become a valuable asset to the MLG team. Also Sundance hinted before that they would need Milkis in Korea during November for something big planned.
Hope Milkis accepts he deserves all them minerals!
isn't milkis in college? and last time i checked he already put in SOOOOOooooooo much time into TL. being on contract is so different, i don't think he'll do it, at least yet.
It seems unfair of Sundance to take this to twitter before Milkis has made a decision. I wouldn't want the weight of public opinion on my shoulders in his position right now.
If this is true, Milkis absolutely deserves a full time position. He did really good job last MLG. Looking forward to hear the possible answer! Do whats right for you man!
Hahaha Sundance is quite smart idd. Taking it out to the public so the public opinion about him having to join will make Milkis join faster since everyone loves Milkis (judging from general comments).
Well I hope Milkis makes the right decision for him though. We don't want Milkis do something he doesn't like (I doubt he hates translating LOL).
But now I'm curious what MLG is planning for Korea.
Milkis always do a great job and this is a well deserved offer! I think he is the biggest reason why Koreans like MLG so much.
That said, full time offer is a different ball game. Milkis is from UChicago Economics no? That's undoubtedly the best economics program in the US ( world?) and the median starting salary for its grads probably is close to 70,000 USD per year or even more. Will be pretty crazy if MLG offers that much. Without trying to look too much into his personal life, I'd say looking at it from purely monetary point of view, it's probably not worth it for him to go full time MLG.
of course this isn't just about money( it's ESPORTS!) and the economics job market isn't exactly hot right now.
Edit : ah ok after checking around + few comments probably closer to 55-60k but still a large amount of money that an Esport job probably cannot hope to match right now.
On August 31 2011 04:45 andytb wrote: It seems unfair of Sundance to take this to twitter before Milkis has made a decision. I wouldn't want the weight of public opinion on my shoulders in his position right now.
Sundance is offering him a job, wether the job offer is public or not is of course at his discretion. What do you mean weight of public opinion? He gets offered a position, it's absolutley in his right to refuse for whatever reason he wants with no pressure from anybody.
On August 31 2011 04:50 dtz wrote: Milkis always do a great job and this is a well deserved offer! I think he is the biggest reason why Koreans like MLG so much.
That said, full time offer is a different ball game. Milkis is from UChicago Economics no? That's undoubtedly the best economics program in the US ( world?) and the median starting salary for its grads probably is close to 70,000 USD per year or even more. Will be pretty crazy if MLG offers that much. Without trying to look too much into his personal life, I'd say looking at it from purely monetary point of view, it's probably not worth it for him to go full time MLG.
of course this isn't just about money( it's ESPORTS!) and the economics job market isn't exactly hot right now.
Do what you love. Nuff said. Get money out of equation, like Destiny.
On August 31 2011 04:50 dtz wrote: Milkis always do a great job and this is a well deserved offer! I think he is the biggest reason why Koreans like MLG so much.
That said, full time offer is a different ball game. Milkis is from UChicago Economics no? That's undoubtedly the best economics program in the US ( world?) and the median starting salary for its grads probably is close to 70,000 USD per year or even more. Will be pretty crazy if MLG offers that much. Without trying to look too much into his personal life, I'd say looking at it from purely monetary point of view, it's probably not worth it for him to go full time MLG.
of course this isn't just about money( it's ESPORTS!) and the economics job market isn't exactly hot right now.
Do what you love. Nuff said. Get money out of equation, like Destiny.
I hear what you're saying, but Destiny wasn't in the same position as Milkis education-wise when he made the decision to stream. I do like Destiny but it's a different situation for Milkis.
No offense to Milkies, but aren't translators a dime a dozen? Especially for Starcraft 2 NA, where many Korean Americans play sc2. Seems to me like mlg could get a better translator if they wanted to (Milkies doesn't have the best voice and he has issues with nerves- see his interviews in anaheim). Only good thing about hiring milks is that many people like him ( which is probably due to the fact that he translates Korean stuff on tl.) Plus, his acalmost are sometimes really weird, bashing on nasl, not allowing fans to take pictures with him, etc
I don't think it's an offer to work full time. I imagine it's an offer to become MLG's official live event translator. He'd probably have to commit to attending every live MLG event and he'd have a boss, but in exchange for those extra burdens, he'd receive money. Those things could be significant burdens or very light burdens and he has to weigh them against the money offered. It could be that he'd essentially be doing the same thing and he'd receive money for it. Or it could be that he's not looking for some pocket money and he's not looking to be a career translator either and he values the freedom of being his own boss and doing things on his own terms.
I think it is a nice compliment that MLG is seeking to work with him so I hope he knows how valuable and appreciated his work is!
On August 31 2011 04:50 dtz wrote: Milkis always do a great job and this is a well deserved offer! I think he is the biggest reason why Koreans like MLG so much.
That said, full time offer is a different ball game. Milkis is from UChicago Economics no? That's undoubtedly the best economics program in the US ( world?) and the median starting salary for its grads probably is close to 70,000 USD per year or even more. Will be pretty crazy if MLG offers that much. Without trying to look too much into his personal life, I'd say looking at it from purely monetary point of view, it's probably not worth it for him to go full time MLG.
of course this isn't just about money( it's ESPORTS!) and the economics job market isn't exactly hot right now.
i got friends who go to UC for economics. if milkis is part of that program, its really impressive hes got time to do all the work he does for TL.
On August 31 2011 04:45 andytb wrote: It seems unfair of Sundance to take this to twitter before Milkis has made a decision. I wouldn't want the weight of public opinion on my shoulders in his position right now.
Sundance is offering him a job, wether the job offer is public or not is of course at his discretion. What do you mean weight of public opinion? He gets offered a position, it's absolutley in his right to refuse for whatever reason he wants with no pressure from anybody.
It's none of my or your business if Milkis is being offered a job. By going public it's like proposing in front of a crowd, a lot harder to say no even if it's the better option.
On August 31 2011 05:02 Soulish wrote: No offense to Milkies, but aren't translators a dime a dozen? Especially for Starcraft 2 NA, where many Korean Americans play sc2. Seems to me like mlg could get a better translator if they wanted to (Milkies doesn't have the best voice and he has issues with nerves- see his interviews in anaheim). Only good thing about hiring milks is that many people like him ( which is probably due to the fact that he translates Korean stuff on tl.) Plus, his acalmost are sometimes really weird, bashing on nasl, not allowing fans to take pictures with him, etc
You also have to factor in the fact that he also follows and knows Korean BroodWar and speaks Korean.
With all the news that's happening in Korean BW right now, whether or not Korean BW is going to end, or just on a rough patch his knowledge can be useful to MLG in making future decisions with the Koreans. Not to mention that now that he's translated for 3 MLGs, the Koreans know him and trust him and are generally more comfortable working with him.
On August 31 2011 04:45 andytb wrote: It seems unfair of Sundance to take this to twitter before Milkis has made a decision. I wouldn't want the weight of public opinion on my shoulders in his position right now.
Sundance is offering him a job, wether the job offer is public or not is of course at his discretion. What do you mean weight of public opinion? He gets offered a position, it's absolutley in his right to refuse for whatever reason he wants with no pressure from anybody.
It's none of my or your business if Milkis is being offered a job. By going public it's like proposing in front of a crowd, a lot harder to say no even if it's the better option.
Are you insinuating that they are in love with each other?
On August 31 2011 04:50 dtz wrote: Milkis always do a great job and this is a well deserved offer! I think he is the biggest reason why Koreans like MLG so much.
That said, full time offer is a different ball game. Milkis is from UChicago Economics no? That's undoubtedly the best economics program in the US ( world?) and the median starting salary for its grads probably is close to 70,000 USD per year or even more. Will be pretty crazy if MLG offers that much. Without trying to look too much into his personal life, I'd say looking at it from purely monetary point of view, it's probably not worth it for him to go full time MLG.
of course this isn't just about money( it's ESPORTS!) and the economics job market isn't exactly hot right now.
UChicago business school is one of the best, and it is well-known for its econ program but entry level out of undergrad, even for UChicago, is probably closer to 55k than 70. That said, I think Milkis has said that he's looking to be a statistician (from Weapon of Choice), which doesn't pay nearly as well (AFAIK) - esp. with the financial institutions.
On August 31 2011 05:02 Soulish wrote: No offense to Milkies, but aren't translators a dime a dozen? Especially for Starcraft 2 NA, where many Korean Americans play sc2. Seems to me like mlg could get a better translator if they wanted to (Milkies doesn't have the best voice and he has issues with nerves- see his interviews in anaheim). Only good thing about hiring milks is that many people like him ( which is probably due to the fact that he translates Korean stuff on tl. Plus, his acalmost are sometimes really weird, bashing on nasl, not allowing fans to take pictures with him, etc
He would most likely be doing other tasks than just translating in the events.. for example dealing with the Korean teams and players. Milkis is pretty "known" in that field it seems.
If you didn't watch his interviews in Raleigh, go and take a look and compare them to Anaheim.
And lastly. Why does he need take pictures with people or sign something? He's not a player or anything like that. Thats not weird or anything if you refuse to do so..
On August 31 2011 05:15 Raysalis wrote: Is Sundance hinting that Milkis can ask for more than whats on the table? I vote for giving Milkis more minerals!
On August 31 2011 05:02 Soulish wrote: No offense to Milkies, but aren't translators a dime a dozen? Especially for Starcraft 2 NA, where many Korean Americans play sc2. Seems to me like mlg could get a better translator if they wanted to (Milkies doesn't have the best voice and he has issues with nerves- see his interviews in anaheim). Only good thing about hiring milks is that many people like him ( which is probably due to the fact that he translates Korean stuff on tl. Plus, his acalmost are sometimes really weird, bashing on nasl, not allowing fans to take pictures with him, etc
He would most likely be doing other tasks than just translating in the events.. for example dealing with the Korean teams and players. Milkis is pretty "known" in that field it seems.
If you didn't watch his interviews in Raleigh, go and take a look and compare them to Anaheim.
And lastly. Why does he need take pictures with people or sign something? He's not a player or anything like that. Thats not weird or anything if you refuse to do so..
Just use your brains a little.
I did watch his interviews in raleigh, and his voice is just... not my style. I seem to have forgotten about the fact that he knows many korean players, so I guess that's probably the main reason mlg wants him.
On August 31 2011 05:03 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I don't think it's an offer to work full time. I imagine it's an offer to become MLG's official live event translator. He'd probably have to commit to attending every live MLG event and he'd have a boss, but in exchange for those extra burdens, he'd receive money. Those things could be significant burdens or very light burdens and he has to weigh them against the money offered. It could be that he'd essentially be doing the same thing and he'd receive money for it. Or it could be that he's not looking for some pocket money and he's not looking to be a career translator either and he values the freedom of being his own boss and doing things on his own terms.
I think it is a nice compliment that MLG is seeking to work with him so I hope he knows how valuable and appreciated his work is!
On August 31 2011 05:03 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I think it is a nice compliment that MLG is seeking to work with him so I hope he knows how valuable and appreciated his work is!
This.
If nothing else this is an appreciation for all the long days and sleepless nights Milkis has spent making MLG a great experience for both the Korean attendees and their fans.
On August 31 2011 04:50 dtz wrote: Milkis always do a great job and this is a well deserved offer! I think he is the biggest reason why Koreans like MLG so much.
That said, full time offer is a different ball game. Milkis is from UChicago Economics no? That's undoubtedly the best economics program in the US ( world?) and the median starting salary for its grads probably is close to 70,000 USD per year or even more. Will be pretty crazy if MLG offers that much. Without trying to look too much into his personal life, I'd say looking at it from purely monetary point of view, it's probably not worth it for him to go full time MLG.
of course this isn't just about money( it's ESPORTS!) and the economics job market isn't exactly hot right now.
Starting salary of 70K is an exaggeration unless you're talking about higher degrees. That would be so nice though if it were true.
On August 31 2011 05:02 Soulish wrote: No offense to Milkies, but aren't translators a dime a dozen? Especially for Starcraft 2 NA, where many Korean Americans play sc2. Seems to me like mlg could get a better translator if they wanted to (Milkies doesn't have the best voice and he has issues with nerves- see his interviews in anaheim). Only good thing about hiring milks is that many people like him ( which is probably due to the fact that he translates Korean stuff on tl.) Plus, his acalmost are sometimes really weird, bashing on nasl, not allowing fans to take pictures with him, etc
They probably are a dime a dozen, difference is Milkies is experienced and trusted. 2 things which take a while to earn either. His popularity won't hurt either.
On August 31 2011 05:30 itsTheSituatioN wrote: i dunno man sometimes the answers that are translated on stage don't address the question o.O but i guess this is the most convenient option for MLG
He's so much more than just a translator he's the Korean connection to America. If they want food he takes them to nice spots, if they need help he helps them.
GO MILKIS, great job during the past mlg's, and small blunders like translating engl to engl are little things which make you even more popular, keep up the great work buddy
Milkis is a complete baller and definitely needed at MLG. Especially with the new MLG next year with many more events, hopefully means many more Koreans, and many more Milkis translating opportunities.
On August 31 2011 04:50 dtz wrote: Milkis always do a great job and this is a well deserved offer! I think he is the biggest reason why Koreans like MLG so much.
That said, full time offer is a different ball game. Milkis is from UChicago Economics no? That's undoubtedly the best economics program in the US ( world?) and the median starting salary for its grads probably is close to 70,000 USD per year or even more. Will be pretty crazy if MLG offers that much. Without trying to look too much into his personal life, I'd say looking at it from purely monetary point of view, it's probably not worth it for him to go full time MLG.
of course this isn't just about money( it's ESPORTS!) and the economics job market isn't exactly hot right now.
Starting salary of 70K is an exaggeration unless you're talking about higher degrees. That would be so nice though if it were true.
My friend from school got a job offer @ 65k/year w/ a economics degree from Notre Dame. It's not an exaggeration at all. From U of Chic it's very possible
On August 31 2011 05:11 Serejai wrote: So does this mean Milkis won't be casting GSL anymore?
What?
Milkis used to be a caster on GSL but she was replaced for other people to tryout. If she takes this job for MLG she won't be able to cast GSL anymore in the future.
On August 31 2011 05:11 Serejai wrote: So does this mean Milkis won't be casting GSL anymore?
What?
Milkis used to be a caster on GSL but she was replaced for other people to tryout. If she takes this job for MLG she won't be able to cast GSL anymore in the future.
On August 31 2011 05:11 Serejai wrote: So does this mean Milkis won't be casting GSL anymore?
What?
Milkis used to be a caster on GSL but she was replaced for other people to tryout. If she takes this job for MLG she won't be able to cast GSL anymore in the future.
On August 31 2011 05:11 Serejai wrote: So does this mean Milkis won't be casting GSL anymore?
What?
Milkis used to be a caster on GSL but she was replaced for other people to tryout. If she takes this job for MLG she won't be able to cast GSL anymore in the future.
On August 31 2011 05:11 Serejai wrote: So does this mean Milkis won't be casting GSL anymore?
What?
Milkis used to be a caster on GSL but she was replaced for other people to tryout. If she takes this job for MLG she won't be able to cast GSL anymore in the future.
On August 31 2011 05:11 Serejai wrote: So does this mean Milkis won't be casting GSL anymore?
What?
Milkis used to be a caster on GSL but she was replaced for other people to tryout. If she takes this job for MLG she won't be able to cast GSL anymore in the future.
Not sure if serious
She casted Code A GSL matches in March of this year during a trial. You can find more information on this in the Liquipedia section of this website.
On August 31 2011 04:50 dtz wrote: Milkis always do a great job and this is a well deserved offer! I think he is the biggest reason why Koreans like MLG so much.
That said, full time offer is a different ball game. Milkis is from UChicago Economics no? That's undoubtedly the best economics program in the US ( world?) and the median starting salary for its grads probably is close to 70,000 USD per year or even more. Will be pretty crazy if MLG offers that much. Without trying to look too much into his personal life, I'd say looking at it from purely monetary point of view, it's probably not worth it for him to go full time MLG.
of course this isn't just about money( it's ESPORTS!) and the economics job market isn't exactly hot right now.
Starting salary of 70K is an exaggeration unless you're talking about higher degrees. That would be so nice though if it were true.
My friend from school got a job offer @ 65k/year w/ a economics degree from Notre Dame. It's not an exaggeration at all. From U of Chic it's very possible
That is absolutely amazing right out of undergrad. What am I doing not studying economics..
On August 31 2011 05:11 Serejai wrote: So does this mean Milkis won't be casting GSL anymore?
What?
Milkis used to be a caster on GSL but she was replaced for other people to tryout. If she takes this job for MLG she won't be able to cast GSL anymore in the future.
Milkis (based off a Korean soda) is not KellyMilkies (well, I assume you know the slang). Milkis is a Korean American translator, and a dude.
On August 31 2011 05:11 Serejai wrote: So does this mean Milkis won't be casting GSL anymore?
What?
Milkis used to be a caster on GSL but she was replaced for other people to tryout. If she takes this job for MLG she won't be able to cast GSL anymore in the future.
i see what you did there. In that case, milkis looked pretty damn fine on FHM with that black corset and thigh high's. Oh yeah milkis baby.
It is cool for people in the community to be getting jobs but a weird approach by mlg. If I told someone I needed time to think about an offer and they then publicly tweeted about it that would be a sure "no" from me.
On August 31 2011 04:45 andytb wrote: It seems unfair of Sundance to take this to twitter before Milkis has made a decision. I wouldn't want the weight of public opinion on my shoulders in his position right now.
Yeah, I agree. He'll have to deal with some public disappointment now if he turns the offer down.
At the same time, it's somewhat of a gesture of appreciation as well to be openly telling people 'we'd love to have Milkis as an employee'.
On August 31 2011 05:49 mucker wrote: It is cool for people in the community to be getting jobs but a weird approach by mlg. If I told someone I needed time to think about an offer and they then publicly tweeted about it that would be a sure "no" from me.
Not sure if I'd quit halfway (?) through the best economics program in the world for any job, even if it was this cool. Pure speculation on my part, but I'd imagine they want him because of their plans for global expansion. Mikis has good ties to the Korean community and is bros with DongRaeGu, the SlayerS guys etc. Somebody like that is invaluable for this kind of venture imo.
On August 31 2011 04:45 andytb wrote: It seems unfair of Sundance to take this to twitter before Milkis has made a decision. I wouldn't want the weight of public opinion on my shoulders in his position right now.
Yeah, I agree. He'll have to deal with some public disappointment now if he turns the offer down.
At the same time, it's somewhat of a gesture of appreciation as well to be openly telling people 'we'd love to have Milkis as an employee'.
Why would there be public dissappointment if he turned down the offer? I'm sure he'll still be translating on stage at orlando, providence, etc regardless if he turns down this offer. To me it looks like this won't really change anything really.
On August 31 2011 05:49 mucker wrote: It is cool for people in the community to be getting jobs but a weird approach by mlg. If I told someone I needed time to think about an offer and they then publicly tweeted about it that would be a sure "no" from me.
It's 2011 things are done this way. For all we know it could have started out as a playfull thing that none of us know which could have started from some backstage jokes between milkman and sunny.
Also bringing the offer to the internet through twitter can/might cause people to try and persuage their favourite translator to accept the position as I've already read comments in this thread saying "take the job" and what not.
On August 31 2011 04:43 sanya wrote: john vs milkis showmatch NAOW
I know you're talking about a SC2 showmatch, but just translation skill wise, Milkis is head and shoulders above John.
I'm pretty sure milkis himself once tweeted/wrote after/during a GSL final that his Korean is as bad as John's English.
I still prefer John. He's the best korean translator bar none in sc2. Plus he's a funny troll. MLG needs to fly john out with tastosis to one of these MLGs! Hope to see john at blizzcon at least.
On August 31 2011 06:07 kakaman wrote: I hate how MLG just throws money at translators to get a powerful lineup. Unlike TL which builds its translator team from within.
How dare MLG want to hire Milkis because he's a good translator
On August 31 2011 06:07 kakaman wrote: I hate how MLG just throws money at translators to get a powerful lineup. Unlike TL which builds its translator team from within.
How dare MLG want to hire Milkis because he's a good translator
You are 0/2 in this thread, so far. I think it's time to bring in a pinch hitter.
On August 31 2011 05:54 UnholyRai wrote: Well done Kelly, first FHM and now a full time job for MLG!
This isn't Kelly...
I like the minerals reference, which made me chuckle a little in real life. I hope he does accept the offer since MLG can use a consistent and reliable translator instead of having random translators at different events like other tournaments.
On August 31 2011 06:07 kakaman wrote: I hate how MLG just throws money at translators to get a powerful lineup. Unlike TL which builds its translator team from within.
How dare MLG want to hire Milkis because he's a good translator
On August 31 2011 06:07 kakaman wrote: I hate how MLG just throws money at translators to get a powerful lineup. Unlike TL which builds its translator team from within.
How dare MLG want to hire Milkis because he's a good translator
Yeah I agree. Recent translation successes doesn't go unnoticed by MLG
On August 31 2011 06:07 kakaman wrote: I hate how MLG just throws money at translators to get a powerful lineup. Unlike TL which builds its translator team from within.
How dare MLG want to hire Milkis because he's a good translator
You are 0/2 in this thread, so far. I think it's time to bring in a pinch hitter.
Rofl, I don't get why MLG is trying to get him to quit college to do 'full time esports'. If Milkis wanted to do it then he'd do it but don't get the community to pressure him into doing it if he wants to just finish his degree.
Let him finish his degree if thats what he wants, he's only what, a year or two away from it anyways, approach him after that.
I apologize for my confusion earlier in the thread. It seems that, in fact, Kellymilkies and Milkis are two different people.
That being said, I think it's wrong what MLG is doing. Milkis already has a very successful career as a candle maker and is currently in school learning robotics. I'd hate to think of what could happen were he pulled away in the name of "esports".
Plus, there's no job security in SC2. I mean, just look at Brood War. It was just getting started and BAM, here comes StarCraft II just a few short years later. What will happen when StarCraft 3 comes out in 1-2 years? Different game, different translation needs. Milkis would find himself jobless and eventually homeless due to the recession.
I think it's great that MLG is taking an interest in Milkis and his amazing translation abilities, but unless they're offering him a six figure income it's clear he can do better with his current profession. Candles are a multimillion dollar industry and esports is just a drop in the bucket comparatively.
On August 31 2011 06:07 kakaman wrote: I hate how MLG just throws money at translators to get a powerful lineup. Unlike TL which builds its translator team from within.
How dare MLG want to hire Milkis because he's a good translator
You are 0/2 in this thread, so far. I think it's time to bring in a pinch hitter.
I wish Milkis a life of success! He does such a great job, and is a really important part of the community. GO GO MILKIS FIGHTING!!!! I know MLG would take great care of him.
On August 31 2011 06:07 kakaman wrote: I hate how MLG just throws money at translators to get a powerful lineup. Unlike TL which builds its translator team from within.
I'm surprised MLG hasn't tried to take HotBid and his sick observing skills.
On August 31 2011 06:07 kakaman wrote: I hate how MLG just throws money at translators to get a powerful lineup. Unlike TL which builds its translator team from within.
How dare MLG want to hire Milkis because he's a good translator
Shouldn't this be what you've been wanting eSports to grow into? Cultivated on a nearly decade-old BW website, then when big companies with big money a website like TL doesn't have (or do they? they seem like they get HUGE traffic now, but they also have like _no_ ads which is both mystifying and appreciated) offer these people real jobs, you know what you've helped to create is really taking off. You should be happy, and I hope milikis takes the job, provided the money is good and he knows what's expected from him (schedule wise).
On August 31 2011 04:50 Chill wrote: Are you gunna sellout Milkis? Does money really talk??
How would agreeing to a deal with MLG make Milkis a sellout :/
Because TL groomed him from a pup when he was just doing mere text translations. Once he upgraded to include vocal translations too, MLG is coming in to try to steal him for their lineup.
On August 31 2011 04:50 Chill wrote: Are you gunna sellout Milkis? Does money really talk??
How would agreeing to a deal with MLG make Milkis a sellout :/
Because TL groomed him from a pup when he was just doing mere text translations. Once he upgraded to include vocal translations too, MLG is coming in to try to steal him for their lineup.
He's been doing far more than vocal translations at MLG's, taking care of all the korean's needs and making sure they know where to be. Now MLG wants to hire him on a more permanent basis, which is more of a step up than a steal.
On August 31 2011 04:50 Chill wrote: Are you gunna sellout Milkis? Does money really talk??
How would agreeing to a deal with MLG make Milkis a sellout :/
Because TL groomed him from a pup when he was just doing mere text translations. Once he upgraded to include vocal translations too, MLG is coming in to try to steal him for their lineup.
He is where he is today bcz of his own hard work. would he really be stolen? would accepting a deal from MLG bar him from doin anything he's been doin :/
What would a full time gig for mlg entail? Does mlg have or are they starting to provide some Korean mlg content? I'm still not 100% sure what guys like slasher and jp do in between events.
On August 31 2011 06:35 Serejai wrote: I apologize for my confusion earlier in the thread. It seems that, in fact, Kellymilkies and Milkis are two different people.
That being said, I think it's wrong what MLG is doing. Milkis already has a very successful career as a candle maker and is currently in school learning robotics. I'd hate to think of what could happen were he pulled away in the name of "esports".
Plus, there's no job security in SC2. I mean, just look at Brood War. It was just getting started and BAM, here comes StarCraft II just a few short years later. What will happen when StarCraft 3 comes out in 1-2 years? Different game, different translation needs. Milkis would find himself jobless and eventually homeless due to the recession.
I think it's great that MLG is taking an interest in Milkis and his amazing translation abilities, but unless they're offering him a six figure income it's clear he can do better with his current profession. Candles are a multimillion dollar industry and esports is just a drop in the bucket comparatively.
I disagree with this completely. I mean I know Milkis on a personal level and he doesn't really enjoy his candle making job, and would rather translate I am pretty sure. But he does make a lot of money from his trade. MLG will need to make the flash/KT deal look like chump change in order to milkis to be hired.
On August 31 2011 04:50 Chill wrote: Are you gunna sellout Milkis? Does money really talk??
How would agreeing to a deal with MLG make Milkis a sellout :/
Because TL groomed him from a pup when he was just doing mere text translations. Once he upgraded to include vocal translations too, MLG is coming in to try to steal him for their lineup.
He is where he is today bcz of his own hard work. would he really be stolen? would accepting a deal from MLG bar him from doin anything he's been doin :/
On August 31 2011 06:35 Serejai wrote: I apologize for my confusion earlier in the thread. It seems that, in fact, Kellymilkies and Milkis are two different people.
That being said, I think it's wrong what MLG is doing. Milkis already has a very successful career as a candle maker and is currently in school learning robotics. I'd hate to think of what could happen were he pulled away in the name of "esports".
Plus, there's no job security in SC2. I mean, just look at Brood War. It was just getting started and BAM, here comes StarCraft II just a few short years later. What will happen when StarCraft 3 comes out in 1-2 years? Different game, different translation needs. Milkis would find himself jobless and eventually homeless due to the recession.
I think it's great that MLG is taking an interest in Milkis and his amazing translation abilities, but unless they're offering him a six figure income it's clear he can do better with his current profession. Candles are a multimillion dollar industry and esports is just a drop in the bucket comparatively.
I disagree with this completely. I mean I know Milkis on a personal level and he doesn't really enjoy his candle making job, and would rather translate I am pretty sure. But he does make a lot of money from his trade. MLG will need to make the flash/KT deal look like chump change in order to milkis to be hired.
It was my understanding that Milkis tires of the candle making game. The politicking in that industry is enough to drive any good soul mad. The grapevine would have one believe that Milkis seeks to rekindle his passion as a craftsman with pottery, but I am certain that destiny has something else in mind. He was, after all, a world class underwater basket weaver. I know in my heart that if Milkis chooses to return to basket weaving, this time emphasizing art over competition, then serenity awaits him. And we all know that the only thing stronger than the allure of basket weaving is the baskets themselves.
On August 31 2011 06:35 Serejai wrote: I apologize for my confusion earlier in the thread. It seems that, in fact, Kellymilkies and Milkis are two different people.
That being said, I think it's wrong what MLG is doing. Milkis already has a very successful career as a candle maker and is currently in school learning robotics. I'd hate to think of what could happen were he pulled away in the name of "esports".
Plus, there's no job security in SC2. I mean, just look at Brood War. It was just getting started and BAM, here comes StarCraft II just a few short years later. What will happen when StarCraft 3 comes out in 1-2 years? Different game, different translation needs. Milkis would find himself jobless and eventually homeless due to the recession.
I think it's great that MLG is taking an interest in Milkis and his amazing translation abilities, but unless they're offering him a six figure income it's clear he can do better with his current profession. Candles are a multimillion dollar industry and esports is just a drop in the bucket comparatively.
I disagree with this completely. I mean I know Milkis on a personal level and he doesn't really enjoy his candle making job, and would rather translate I am pretty sure. But he does make a lot of money from his trade. MLG will need to make the flash/KT deal look like chump change in order to milkis to be hired.
It was my understanding that Milkis tires of the candle making game. The politicking in that industry is enough to drive any good soul mad. The grapevine would have one believe that Milkis seeks to rekindle his passion as a craftsman with pottery, but I am certain that destiny has something else in mind. He was, after all, a world class underwater basket weaver. I know in my heart that if Milkis chooses to return to basket weaving, this time emphasizing art over competition, then serenity awaits him. And we all know that the only thing stronger than the allure of basket weaving is the baskets themselves.
ya but what about the robotics part? unless he's making nanomachines to weave said baskets.
I think this is a big mistake by MLG. A short anecdote...
I knew Milkis in highschool. We both lived in Texas, and he was your typical jock. Apparently, being a good linebacker meant he got straight As without even taking tests. I still have no idea what his white girlfriends (concurrent) saw in him. He bullied me and my friends for 4 hellish years.
Plus, there's no job security in SC2. I mean, just look at Brood War. It was just getting started and BAM, here comes StarCraft II just a few short years later. What will happen when StarCraft 3 comes out in 1-2 years? Different game, different translation needs. Milkis would find himself jobless and eventually homeless due to the recession.
I'm sorry, but what the fuck are you smoking? BW just getting started and then comes Starcraft 2? Starcraft 3 is coming in 1-2 years? O_O
Plus, there's no job security in SC2. I mean, just look at Brood War. It was just getting started and BAM, here comes StarCraft II just a few short years later. What will happen when StarCraft 3 comes out in 1-2 years? Different game, different translation needs. Milkis would find himself jobless and eventually homeless due to the recession.
I'm sorry, but what the fuck are you smoking? BW just getting started and then comes Starcraft 2? Starcraft 3 is coming in 1-2 years? O_O
he probably is just teasing. he works for ESPORTS and has signed some NDAs with Blizzard.com
A part of me wishes this would be spotlighted so as to make this an ESPORTS version of a marriage proposal done via jumbotron at football game. Will he say "Yes"?!?!
Milkis, do you take MLG to be your contractually obligated employer, to translate for and assist Koreans from this day forward, for Boxer or for Yellow, for minerals, for gas, in fungal growth and in max 200 supply, to iloveoov and to Choya; from this BO7 extended series until gg do us part?
On August 31 2011 07:44 delo wrote: A part of me wishes this would be spotlighted so as to make this an ESPORTS version of a marriage proposal done via jumbotron at football game. Will he say "Yes"?!?!
Milkis, do you take MLG to be your contractually obligated employer, to translate for and assist Koreans from this day forward, for Boxer or for Yellow, for minerals, for gas, in fungal growth and in max 200 supply, to iloveoov and to Choya; from this BO7 extended series until gg do us part?
Wow you guys are so extreme with your comments There is no hidden motive with the tweets. We all like Milkis and we're all ('all' including Milkis) building on a running joke.
Milkis is a great guy. I am always looking for hardworking people that 'get it'.
Milkis if you take the position you absolutely deserve it. I hope you'll still find time to contribute to the community like you've always done in your spare time though.
On August 31 2011 06:35 Serejai wrote: I apologize for my confusion earlier in the thread. It seems that, in fact, Kellymilkies and Milkis are two different people.
That being said, I think it's wrong what MLG is doing. Milkis already has a very successful career as a candle maker and is currently in school learning robotics. I'd hate to think of what could happen were he pulled away in the name of "esports".
Plus, there's no job security in SC2. I mean, just look at Brood War. It was just getting started and BAM, here comes StarCraft II just a few short years later. What will happen when StarCraft 3 comes out in 1-2 years? Different game, different translation needs. Milkis would find himself jobless and eventually homeless due to the recession.
I think it's great that MLG is taking an interest in Milkis and his amazing translation abilities, but unless they're offering him a six figure income it's clear he can do better with his current profession. Candles are a multimillion dollar industry and esports is just a drop in the bucket comparatively.
I disagree with this completely. I mean I know Milkis on a personal level and he doesn't really enjoy his candle making job, and would rather translate I am pretty sure. But he does make a lot of money from his trade. MLG will need to make the flash/KT deal look like chump change in order to milkis to be hired.
It was my understanding that Milkis tires of the candle making game. The politicking in that industry is enough to drive any good soul mad. The grapevine would have one believe that Milkis seeks to rekindle his passion as a craftsman with pottery, but I am certain that destiny has something else in mind. He was, after all, a world class underwater basket weaver. I know in my heart that if Milkis chooses to return to basket weaving, this time emphasizing art over competition, then serenity awaits him. And we all know that the only thing stronger than the allure of basket weaving is the baskets themselves.
Didn't he receive a an offer to join the champion mozambique team. I seem to remember that were experts at the triple overlap twist, a skill of great value to any UWBW. Pity that the sport hasn't been able to keep its head above water.
As much as i'd love to see Milkis become a full time employee of MLG...i shudder to think what this would possibly due to the basket weaving scene...its in such an upheaval at the moment that they need a new leader, a new God of basket weaving, and that is Milkis. I implore you Milkis, shun this offer!
On August 31 2011 05:11 Serejai wrote: So does this mean Milkis won't be casting GSL anymore?
What?
Milkis used to be a caster on GSL but she was replaced for other people to tryout. If she takes this job for MLG she won't be able to cast GSL anymore in the future.
Are you refering to: John or lilsuse?
Milkis never casted GSL, he is a translator for TL.net....
On August 31 2011 11:35 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: MLGMilkis versus JunkkaGOM......a battle for the ages.
why would we fight with each other when we can coordinate our trolling?
Troll us with an announcement of an announcement of a match with you vs john, then troll the shet out of us brosky!
Good luck Milkis! will you still occasionally translate articles? BTW best translator i have seen so far ^_^, you didn't look nervous at all on stage at MLG Raleigh!
On August 31 2011 04:50 dtz wrote: Milkis always do a great job and this is a well deserved offer! I think he is the biggest reason why Koreans like MLG so much.
That said, full time offer is a different ball game. Milkis is from UChicago Economics no? That's undoubtedly the best economics program in the US ( world?) and the median starting salary for its grads probably is close to 70,000 USD per year or even more. Will be pretty crazy if MLG offers that much. Without trying to look too much into his personal life, I'd say looking at it from purely monetary point of view, it's probably not worth it for him to go full time MLG.
of course this isn't just about money( it's ESPORTS!) and the economics job market isn't exactly hot right now.
Starting salary of 70K is an exaggeration unless you're talking about higher degrees. That would be so nice though if it were true.
My friend from school got a job offer @ 65k/year w/ a economics degree from Notre Dame. It's not an exaggeration at all. From U of Chic it's very possible
On August 31 2011 06:35 Serejai wrote: I apologize for my confusion earlier in the thread. It seems that, in fact, Kellymilkies and Milkis are two different people.
That being said, I think it's wrong what MLG is doing. Milkis already has a very successful career as a candle maker and is currently in school learning robotics. I'd hate to think of what could happen were he pulled away in the name of "esports".
Plus, there's no job security in SC2. I mean, just look at Brood War. It was just getting started and BAM, here comes StarCraft II just a few short years later. What will happen when StarCraft 3 comes out in 1-2 years? Different game, different translation needs. Milkis would find himself jobless and eventually homeless due to the recession.
I think it's great that MLG is taking an interest in Milkis and his amazing translation abilities, but unless they're offering him a six figure income it's clear he can do better with his current profession. Candles are a multimillion dollar industry and esports is just a drop in the bucket comparatively.
I disagree with this completely. I mean I know Milkis on a personal level and he doesn't really enjoy his candle making job, and would rather translate I am pretty sure. But he does make a lot of money from his trade. MLG will need to make the flash/KT deal look like chump change in order to milkis to be hired.
It was my understanding that Milkis tires of the candle making game. The politicking in that industry is enough to drive any good soul mad. The grapevine would have one believe that Milkis seeks to rekindle his passion as a craftsman with pottery, but I am certain that destiny has something else in mind. He was, after all, a world class underwater basket weaver. I know in my heart that if Milkis chooses to return to basket weaving, this time emphasizing art over competition, then serenity awaits him. And we all know that the only thing stronger than the allure of basket weaving is the baskets themselves.
Didn't he receive a an offer to join the champion mozambique team. I seem to remember that were experts at the triple overlap twist, a skill of great value to any UWBW. Pity that the sport hasn't been able to keep its head above water.
I think you forget that he swore off UWBW after that terrible terrible accident in the Coral Sea Depth Competition, I hear the Canadian team still hasn't recovered... So. Many. Pincushions. *shudders*
so now only milkis needs to accept and MLG will have become even better(and it's already one of the best tourneys out there). He truly deserves it and I cant thinkl of anyone better for the job. Happy days!
On August 31 2011 04:50 dtz wrote: Milkis always do a great job and this is a well deserved offer! I think he is the biggest reason why Koreans like MLG so much.
That said, full time offer is a different ball game. Milkis is from UChicago Economics no? That's undoubtedly the best economics program in the US ( world?) and the median starting salary for its grads probably is close to 70,000 USD per year or even more. Will be pretty crazy if MLG offers that much. Without trying to look too much into his personal life, I'd say looking at it from purely monetary point of view, it's probably not worth it for him to go full time MLG.
of course this isn't just about money( it's ESPORTS!) and the economics job market isn't exactly hot right now.
Starting salary of 70K is an exaggeration unless you're talking about higher degrees. That would be so nice though if it were true.
My friend from school got a job offer @ 65k/year w/ a economics degree from Notre Dame. It's not an exaggeration at all. From U of Chic it's very possible
With an undergrad degree or a grad degree?
Sounds impressive with just an undergrad degree. If this is true, then I'm switching majors. I go to uchic, funny how I never got to meet Milkis @_@
Give Milkis more minerals! He deservez dem mineralz
In all honesty unless they are offering him something substantial with his education background i only think he should take it if hes really passionate about it.
Its worth it to take a pay cut if its something you really love.
At the same time i hope MLG is offering him something very substantial it would be insulting to do anything less especially with his education.
Im sure MLG would do right by him though , and if its something he loves he should take the Jerb
Good korean translators are hard to come by it seems! Milkis is extremely valuable because he has alot of sc knowledge and follows the scene alot. Its nice that MLG is being open about this cos otherwise some tl fanatics would try to say MLG poached milkis >.>
I think he's gotten a lot better at translating in a relatively short time, considering it's not his full time gig. At the very least, he seems much more natural when speaking.
On August 31 2011 04:45 andytb wrote: It seems unfair of Sundance to take this to twitter before Milkis has made a decision. I wouldn't want the weight of public opinion on my shoulders in his position right now.
Well it's not really a hard decision to make... Paid job vs Unpaid job
Having a great translator is more important than you think. It allows Korean players to focus that much more on practicing rather than trying to find out when their match starts and the overall confusion that goes around when there are no experienced korean speaker to help them out.
To Recap why Milkis is an important asset for MLG - Helps Korean players feel less intimidated by welcoming them and helping them co-ordinate matches during the tournament - Allows Korean players to focus on the match without having to deal with english-speaking staff - Cute Face - Friendly Image - Great Translator that is already a known face in Korean Pro-gaming Community - Knows how MLG works in and out.
If I were Sundane, I'd hire him over any other Korean Translator. why? sure Milkis may not be the best korean-english translator here tbh. but he is very good at it. Other assets of Milkis make him superior than other competing translators just because hes has that friendly image and seem easy approachable by other top tier korean players. Take this position Milkis and your good to go as long as SC2 doesn't die out.
On August 31 2011 23:32 benbrad2 wrote: Having a great translator is more important than you think. It allows Korean players to focus that much more on practicing rather than trying to find out when their match starts and the overall confusion that goes around when there are no experienced korean speaker to help them out.
To Recap why Milkis is an important asset for MLG - Helps Korean players feel less intimidated by welcoming them and helping them co-ordinate matches during the tournament - Allows Korean players to focus on the match without having to deal with english-speaking staff - Cute Face - Friendly Image - Great Translator that is already a known face in Korean Pro-gaming Community - Knows how MLG works in and out.
If I were Sundane, I'd hire him over any other Korean Translator. why? sure Milkis may not be the best korean-english translator here tbh. but he is very good at it. Other assets of Milkis make him superior than other competing translators just because hes has that friendly image and seem easy approachable by other top tier korean players. Take this position Milkis and your good to go as long as SC2 doesn't die out.
He's also amazing at English-English translation <3
On August 31 2011 04:50 dtz wrote: Milkis always do a great job and this is a well deserved offer! I think he is the biggest reason why Koreans like MLG so much.
That said, full time offer is a different ball game. Milkis is from UChicago Economics no? That's undoubtedly the best economics program in the US ( world?) and the median starting salary for its grads probably is close to 70,000 USD per year or even more. Will be pretty crazy if MLG offers that much. Without trying to look too much into his personal life, I'd say looking at it from purely monetary point of view, it's probably not worth it for him to go full time MLG.
of course this isn't just about money( it's ESPORTS!) and the economics job market isn't exactly hot right now.
Starting salary of 70K is an exaggeration unless you're talking about higher degrees. That would be so nice though if it were true.
My friend from school got a job offer @ 65k/year w/ a economics degree from Notre Dame. It's not an exaggeration at all. From U of Chic it's very possible
With an undergrad degree or a grad degree?
Sounds impressive with just an undergrad degree. If this is true, then I'm switching majors. I go to uchic, funny how I never got to meet Milkis @_@
I am prepared to accept that Chemical Engineers receive decent job offers as an undergrad. Don't think they get a starting salary of 65 k$/year either, though. However, they may, the best ones.
Then, computer science and engineering majors, depending on how good they are, could get that. I am just not sure if somebody with Economics degree will get that in a normal situation. I have a friend with a master's degree in economics, he was looking everywhere to get a job offer. His friend must have contacts or he must be one of a kind or something.
It is too late for me to change my major. Those numbers kinda seem unfair to me looking at them
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