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DIRESTRAIT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada155 Posts
October 20 2011 00:33 GMT
#481
I make a point of being very well mannered ever game. If I get too upset I just quit right away, and i'll message him a few seconds later with a gg wp after i've had a sec to cool down. I feel like it's really accepting that you lost because of your own play and not because of any other factors (imbalance etc) and I think it's integral to both improving as a player and a person, and making the community a better place .
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Daniel C
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong1606 Posts
October 20 2011 00:49 GMT
#482
I fully agree with the sentiments of the OP.

More Sheth, less Idra please!
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.
Shewklad
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden482 Posts
October 20 2011 00:51 GMT
#483
On October 20 2011 09:32 Freezzo wrote:
When I get mass marine steamrolled I just say bg, because I don't really feel like an actual game has been played. But still it's more than most people say. When I had fun (or not but it wasn't something really annoying) I always gg and wp when deserved.



So how do you "deserve" a win? When your opponent wins using your imaginary rules that you made up? Isn't it worth saying "wp" if he beat you?
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37030 Posts
October 20 2011 00:58 GMT
#484
Unless the other team starts it, I am rarely ever BM on b.net.....

And, I always say GG before I leave a game....

Unless my friends are dicking around and I'm too pissed to care.

GG before you leave, this is imperative!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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CeliosB
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada100 Posts
October 20 2011 03:33 GMT
#485
I used to actually be the biggest asshole on ladder ever. Then i decided to use my free name change to whipe my reputation and start saying gg after lost games, it actually makes me feel much less stressed now and i am actually playing better because of it, i would highly recommend others to do this.
"To ze bank" -Stephano
1800STFU
Profile Joined February 2011
158 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 03:57:36
October 20 2011 03:57 GMT
#486
Meh, I bm alot, especially if I'm on a losing streak, it is what it is. Even more especially if someone does garbage like a 7RR or any other terrible early game all-in. Mostly because I dont understand why you play the game if you do that. Seems so pointless and stupid and a waste of my time.
Soulriser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States192 Posts
October 20 2011 04:02 GMT
#487
i BM a bunch, ill admit.

BUT! for some odd reason, if im pissed about a game, when i say GG before i f10-n, i actually dont feel as mad about it. im not sure why it is, but losing to something and getting mad at myself, saying gg makes me not upset anymore. no idea why this is, but its cool. haha
necrOtix
Profile Joined August 2011
81 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 04:19:25
October 20 2011 04:16 GMT
#488
what bugs me to all hell is HOW EVERYONE on the ladder says "gl hf / glgl / glhfgg" but never GGs. ever. I'm not even a cheesy player, I always macro. this counter intuitive attitude of the ladder is getting annoying. Either straight up be BM / dont say anything, or be well mannered (ie saying gg if you say gl hf).

you can say that not gging is a sign of you not thinking it wasn't a good game, but the truth is if you don't often GG it's because you're angry / BM, and not because of the actual outcome of the game (like I said, 70%+ of my standard games go past the midgame, not cheese / gimmicks and these are my experiences in masters).

also I'm very happy blizzard enabled the "no messages from players not on your friends list" feature. being messaged after a game after losing to someone tilted me like no other.

AND on a side manner-note, dont fucking post someones bad manner PROVOKED by YOU in Teamliquid's "hilarious / confusing bad manner thread". It's so obnoxious when some guy says AFTER a game in a chat message "gg" (if his opponent didnt GG or something) OR if you cheesed the fuck out of someone and then the opponent rages a bit (and you continue to provoke his rage.).. then of course the opponent BMs the fuck out of him. he then derps over to the BM thread and says "lolz guyz look at dis BM dewchbaag isnt he so BM".... .... well no you fucking provoked him -.-
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 20 2011 05:06 GMT
#489
Gonna start doing this a little more. Yeah, everybody thinks its sarcasm unless you really REALLY elaborate.

Of course, if I'm intentionally being mannered, and it was a 6 pool or some crazy allin, the guy chats me afterwards and wants to team up for practice partners. Then I have some trouble with manners! Politely declining without insults if it was clear I had seen the best he had to offer as far as strategies in the matchup.
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BrassMonkey
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada84 Posts
October 20 2011 05:23 GMT
#490
I like how this thread is filled with people who say "I always gg" but on the ladder it literally feels like I am the only one.
TOO EZ
Dhalphir
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1305 Posts
October 20 2011 05:25 GMT
#491
it is amazing how much better you personally feel after throwing out some good manners to your opponent, nevermind how you make your opponent feel.

it makes you less frustrated with a loss.
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
October 20 2011 05:32 GMT
#492
I try to GG, but i end up raging cuz i lost for some reason, but i always GG. I BM every once in a while but usually its just PvP and i lose because of some stupid nuance in builds or a half second lag where he moves up my ramp. other than that i don't BM, if ISTime doesn't BM, neither do i
User was warned for too many mimes.
the p00n
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands615 Posts
October 20 2011 05:40 GMT
#493
I've tried this but it didn't work for me. However, adopting the mindset that all the games I lose are solely because my opponent is bad and plays in a suboptimal way that just happened to be very effective against the exact thing I was doing (by pure luck - remember, he is bad) has helped me a ton. This isn't a joke btw. I used to care a lot about losses and get upset, but with this belief it doesn't matter - the losses have no meaning.

I would still go back and watch the replay to see what I could refine and improve upon though (while narrating what my opponent is doing in a derogatory fashion; i.e. 'lol, this kid' 'rofl').
Egyptian_Head
Profile Joined October 2010
South Africa508 Posts
October 20 2011 05:53 GMT
#494
On October 20 2011 06:41 Superouman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 06:36 Egyptian_Head wrote:
If you want to lie and say gg after every game thats great for you, but don't look down at me for having some standards. Why is it good manners to go gg ? Because you say so? because the community says so? I refuse to believe people actually believe that lying to someone is being well mannered, it is pretty much the opposite of being well mannered.

You can compare it to say goodbye to someone irl, what would be your reaction if you spend 5-20 minutes with that person and suddenly he leaves without saying anything, just think about it.

Crazy thought, say goodbye or thank you for the game then, not good game. One is a lie and the other meets your requirements. As I see it you are just lieing to people on purpose. Thats pretty BM.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
October 20 2011 05:56 GMT
#495
I don't gg against cheese like 6 pools, proxy rax and cannon. But gg to the rest.
PeZuY
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
935 Posts
October 20 2011 06:01 GMT
#496
I try to be mannered to everyone and GG even if I lose to 6pool, it is my own stupidity that I don't react it correctly. But if I hit losing streak I might just insta quit without saying anything.
Butterednuts
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
October 20 2011 06:12 GMT
#497
I've been trying to do this more. Even in games that I get cheesed in some way, I'll at least say gg at the very minimum. If they did a good push, then I say "good push. gg". It doesn't irritate me when people leave without saying gg though.

Even today I had a conversation with a protoss that went FE, VR and then I complimented him because I couldn't scout his stargate. Even though I lost and it sucked, he was talking to me like a human being, using smilies, etc... It made me want to ladder more and gave me more motivation to do better.

If someone comes into a game and starts trolling and BMing, it puts me in a bad mood, regardless if I win and discourages me from laddering any further (probably resorting to Nexus Wars XD). There's no reason to be so BM. If we want to start counting StarCraft II as a REAL eSport, then people need to be more sportman about their games. Don't you remember 10 year old baseball, or even professional sports? Since when does the medium of the playing field change how courteous you are to the other team before and after the game?
Chameleons Cast No Shadows
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10346 Posts
October 20 2011 06:24 GMT
#498
On October 20 2011 06:18 RedFoxOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 05:49 Charon1979 wrote:
I dont glhf because i consider it an empty phrase.

I dont want my opponent to be lucky. I also dont want him to be unlucky. So why should i wish him luck?
Have fun... am the moment i consider it to be harsh sarcasm. Have fun with my marine/scv all-in! Do I have fun? No. Does he know I wont have fun with this kind of play? Most probably YES. So why even mention it? He doesnt want me to have fun and he doesnt want me to be lucky. He wants cheap ladder points, thats all.
I consider it the same if you run up to somebody you hardly know or dont even like an "Oh hi!!!! *kiss left/kiss right* How are you doing! Oh you look great!" You dont even care and honestly you are thinking -omg how did he get that fat - But... you lie... because you want to be good mannered... which is a contradiction in my eyes. I cant stand dishonest people. If I enjoyed a game, it was a gg. If he even totally outplayed me, its a gg wp. If hes just 6 raxing and playing down a extremely simple build order... it just cheap.


Like people have already said before me, "gl hf gg" is just showing you have manners and that you respect your opponent right? You're not actually sending him luck when you wish him gl. He's not actually going to become better because you told him gl hf. And even if you fall to a cheap strat, a win is still a win. It's not like cheap strats will win you a GSL or anything, because as you get better, you learn how to defend against cheap strats. I used to never gl hf because of the same reasons you listed, but I've discovered that even if you chat just a little little bit with your opponent, you feel so much better after losing, and your opponent is less likely to bm you if you win.


What you say does not have to mean the words' literal meaning.

Also, if your opponent beats you, he beats you. Not saying "gg" is more lame on your side because, even if he is "cheap", it just makes you so much more arrogant that you lost to a "cheap" strategy but leave the game without saying anything, as if it were a mistake on your part and you shouldn't have lost the game. Just shows how cocky you are. Or if you don't say gg cus you think it's stupid he plays with a "cheap" strategy, that's even worse.
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Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
October 20 2011 06:29 GMT
#499
Never seen this thread before for some reason, but the OP's chat seemed really sarcastic to me at first. I must be a really cynical person.

I always GG out of games. Even one that I was ahead in XD Although not that many people on the KR server I've beaten GG to me, but whether that is because of map imbalances (close positions) or my sometimes cheesy strategies (cloaked Banshee rush into base trade into mass mules into win), I have no idea.
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Kid-Fox
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada400 Posts
October 20 2011 08:49 GMT
#500
I gg everything, even proxy2gate into cannon into losing to void ray followup(????). It's a GAME in the end. No need to get fussy over these details.

If the game felt hopeless i type gg wp.

oh and btw, i think ww =/= well won. korean gg happens to be 지지, shortened to ㅈㅈ, which is on the w key. I think some koreans forget to tab between english/korean, hence the whole ww thingy. It's also why you might see some people typing ㅎㅎ (ㅎ is on the g key).
Just throwing it out there.
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