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On August 21 2011 07:54 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 04:33 IPA wrote:On August 21 2011 01:23 WackTu wrote:
Huk downgrading, but money is money Yeah, HuK is "downgrading" as he receives life-changing money that will allow him to do what he wants -- very comfortably -- for a living. Total downgrade. Uhhh, you basically just said the same thing he did. Yes huk is receiving more money, but no one can deny he is downgrading his practice environment. Your kidding yourself if you think practicing with Idra and Puma, will benifit huk in anywhere near the same way as practicing with the OGS house. He doesnt even have another protoss to discuss strategies with. Even with puma at IEM i could tell he hasnt kept up in skill at IEM (sure he is still an amazing player who can get to the finals) but 2 months ago when he was still practicing hardcore with TSL i highly doubt someone like mana could have taken him out 2-0, especially when he took out mc in a best of 7 (i dont think anyone will tell you that mana is a better player then mc). I dont think puma will stand a chance against mc in the finals, MC has been practicing hardcore in a team house for the past 2 months, whereas puma has been practicing (more or less) like a foreigner (online with a few practice partners). In a few months puma will be pretty irelevant at any tournament where a korean shows up, is my best guess. Same with huk. Unless of course EG is planning on recruiting a whole korean team for their training facility, wich is highly unlikely.
You seriously think the OGS members won't help Huk practice?
It'll be same practice regime - Different place.
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On August 21 2011 00:33 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 23:15 Egyptian_Head wrote:On August 20 2011 23:02 Gargara wrote:On August 20 2011 22:54 Egyptian_Head wrote:
Why do people care what letters appear before a players name? A starcraft player swopping teams is like a tennis player swopping coach... who cares? Its because we perceive Liquid as the endgame for a team to be in. So now when Huk moved to a rival team of a rival player, it just seems strange. This is teamliquid.net after all, so we inevitably get emotionally attached to teamliquid and the players. Players switch teams all the time, but not much drama there (drama as in fans emotions not team/league scandals and arguments). TeamLiquid was the best forgeiner team for a while however since MLG Dallas I think it was, they have been no where near the best team, they are simply the most visible team. Although they seem to be doing ok right now As far as foreign scene goes, TL has been by and far the most successful team since release until today. It's absurd to even argue otherwise, as no other team gets even close when it comes to major LAN tournament wins and high ranks. TL is also the only foreign team to be represented in GSL (+ regular Code S) consistently since GSL Open 1 until several days ago. Yeah there was a slump for 4-5 months, but that's not nearly enough for other foreign teams to catch up.
Not sure about that TBH, I mean in the last like 3+ MLGs idra has placed higher than anyone at TL so not sure you can sya "no other team comes close" Also Idra was still in code S when he left korea, so saying TL is the only foreign team to be represented in GSL since season 1 is wrong.
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On August 21 2011 08:15 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 00:33 Talin wrote:On August 20 2011 23:15 Egyptian_Head wrote:On August 20 2011 23:02 Gargara wrote:On August 20 2011 22:54 Egyptian_Head wrote:
Why do people care what letters appear before a players name? A starcraft player swopping teams is like a tennis player swopping coach... who cares? Its because we perceive Liquid as the endgame for a team to be in. So now when Huk moved to a rival team of a rival player, it just seems strange. This is teamliquid.net after all, so we inevitably get emotionally attached to teamliquid and the players. Players switch teams all the time, but not much drama there (drama as in fans emotions not team/league scandals and arguments). TeamLiquid was the best forgeiner team for a while however since MLG Dallas I think it was, they have been no where near the best team, they are simply the most visible team. Although they seem to be doing ok right now As far as foreign scene goes, TL has been by and far the most successful team since release until today. It's absurd to even argue otherwise, as no other team gets even close when it comes to major LAN tournament wins and high ranks. TL is also the only foreign team to be represented in GSL (+ regular Code S) consistently since GSL Open 1 until several days ago. Yeah there was a slump for 4-5 months, but that's not nearly enough for other foreign teams to catch up. Not sure about that TBH, I mean in the last like 3+ MLGs idra has placed higher than anyone at TL so not sure you can sya "no other team comes close" Also Idra was still in code S when he left korea, so saying TL is the only foreign team to be represented in GSL since season 1 is wrong.
Besides last MLG
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On August 21 2011 08:11 altfornorge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 07:54 Executor1 wrote:On August 21 2011 04:33 IPA wrote:On August 21 2011 01:23 WackTu wrote:
Huk downgrading, but money is money Yeah, HuK is "downgrading" as he receives life-changing money that will allow him to do what he wants -- very comfortably -- for a living. Total downgrade. Uhhh, you basically just said the same thing he did. Yes huk is receiving more money, but no one can deny he is downgrading his practice environment. Your kidding yourself if you think practicing with Idra and Puma, will benifit huk in anywhere near the same way as practicing with the OGS house. He doesnt even have another protoss to discuss strategies with. Even with puma at IEM i could tell he hasnt kept up in skill at IEM (sure he is still an amazing player who can get to the finals) but 2 months ago when he was still practicing hardcore with TSL i highly doubt someone like mana could have taken him out 2-0, especially when he took out mc in a best of 7 (i dont think anyone will tell you that mana is a better player then mc). I dont think puma will stand a chance against mc in the finals, MC has been practicing hardcore in a team house for the past 2 months, whereas puma has been practicing (more or less) like a foreigner (online with a few practice partners). In a few months puma will be pretty irelevant at any tournament where a korean shows up, is my best guess. Same with huk. Unless of course EG is planning on recruiting a whole korean team for their training facility, wich is highly unlikely. You seriously think the OGS members won't help Huk practice? It'll be same practice regime - Different place.
You ignored the part where he said Huk wont have any protoss players to discuss strategies with
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On August 21 2011 08:24 trikshun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 08:15 hunts wrote:On August 21 2011 00:33 Talin wrote:On August 20 2011 23:15 Egyptian_Head wrote:On August 20 2011 23:02 Gargara wrote:On August 20 2011 22:54 Egyptian_Head wrote:
Why do people care what letters appear before a players name? A starcraft player swopping teams is like a tennis player swopping coach... who cares? Its because we perceive Liquid as the endgame for a team to be in. So now when Huk moved to a rival team of a rival player, it just seems strange. This is teamliquid.net after all, so we inevitably get emotionally attached to teamliquid and the players. Players switch teams all the time, but not much drama there (drama as in fans emotions not team/league scandals and arguments). TeamLiquid was the best forgeiner team for a while however since MLG Dallas I think it was, they have been no where near the best team, they are simply the most visible team. Although they seem to be doing ok right now As far as foreign scene goes, TL has been by and far the most successful team since release until today. It's absurd to even argue otherwise, as no other team gets even close when it comes to major LAN tournament wins and high ranks. TL is also the only foreign team to be represented in GSL (+ regular Code S) consistently since GSL Open 1 until several days ago. Yeah there was a slump for 4-5 months, but that's not nearly enough for other foreign teams to catch up. Not sure about that TBH, I mean in the last like 3+ MLGs idra has placed higher than anyone at TL so not sure you can sya "no other team comes close" Also Idra was still in code S when he left korea, so saying TL is the only foreign team to be represented in GSL since season 1 is wrong. Besides last MLG
you're right huk made it 1 round further than Idra, sorry I thoguht he got knocked out in the same round as him, so my fualt.
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Idra's going back to korea and face the harsh reality that he probably won't get out of code b anymore.
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On August 21 2011 08:44 Svennedude wrote:
Idra's going back to korea and face the harsh reality that he probably won't get out of code b anymore.
Luckily they hand out Code A spots to foreigners at MLG like candy!
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On August 21 2011 08:43 Aiglatson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 08:11 altfornorge wrote:On August 21 2011 07:54 Executor1 wrote:On August 21 2011 04:33 IPA wrote:On August 21 2011 01:23 WackTu wrote:
Huk downgrading, but money is money Yeah, HuK is "downgrading" as he receives life-changing money that will allow him to do what he wants -- very comfortably -- for a living. Total downgrade. Uhhh, you basically just said the same thing he did. Yes huk is receiving more money, but no one can deny he is downgrading his practice environment. Your kidding yourself if you think practicing with Idra and Puma, will benifit huk in anywhere near the same way as practicing with the OGS house. He doesnt even have another protoss to discuss strategies with. Even with puma at IEM i could tell he hasnt kept up in skill at IEM (sure he is still an amazing player who can get to the finals) but 2 months ago when he was still practicing hardcore with TSL i highly doubt someone like mana could have taken him out 2-0, especially when he took out mc in a best of 7 (i dont think anyone will tell you that mana is a better player then mc). I dont think puma will stand a chance against mc in the finals, MC has been practicing hardcore in a team house for the past 2 months, whereas puma has been practicing (more or less) like a foreigner (online with a few practice partners). In a few months puma will be pretty irelevant at any tournament where a korean shows up, is my best guess. Same with huk. Unless of course EG is planning on recruiting a whole korean team for their training facility, wich is highly unlikely. You seriously think the OGS members won't help Huk practice? It'll be same practice regime - Different place. You ignored the part where he said Huk wont have any protoss players to discuss strategies with
You ignored what I'm saying...
At this day and age, do you need to be right beside someone to chat with each other?
Nope, so he can still discuss protoss strats as he did when he was on the OGS house
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On August 21 2011 08:44 Svennedude wrote:
Idra's going back to korea and face the harsh reality that he probably won't get out of code b anymore.
The most important part is getting his skills up, since overall there's much more prize money in the international scene AFAIK. Newest TLOpen spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +He lost the finals to TSL.Heart 3-2 and showed that he has some ways to go yet. His ZvT seems kind of... stale? Then again, the metagame in the matchup is really difficult for Z right now.
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On August 21 2011 09:01 altfornorge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 08:43 Aiglatson wrote:On August 21 2011 08:11 altfornorge wrote:On August 21 2011 07:54 Executor1 wrote:On August 21 2011 04:33 IPA wrote:On August 21 2011 01:23 WackTu wrote:
Huk downgrading, but money is money Yeah, HuK is "downgrading" as he receives life-changing money that will allow him to do what he wants -- very comfortably -- for a living. Total downgrade. Uhhh, you basically just said the same thing he did. Yes huk is receiving more money, but no one can deny he is downgrading his practice environment. Your kidding yourself if you think practicing with Idra and Puma, will benifit huk in anywhere near the same way as practicing with the OGS house. He doesnt even have another protoss to discuss strategies with. Even with puma at IEM i could tell he hasnt kept up in skill at IEM (sure he is still an amazing player who can get to the finals) but 2 months ago when he was still practicing hardcore with TSL i highly doubt someone like mana could have taken him out 2-0, especially when he took out mc in a best of 7 (i dont think anyone will tell you that mana is a better player then mc). I dont think puma will stand a chance against mc in the finals, MC has been practicing hardcore in a team house for the past 2 months, whereas puma has been practicing (more or less) like a foreigner (online with a few practice partners). In a few months puma will be pretty irelevant at any tournament where a korean shows up, is my best guess. Same with huk. Unless of course EG is planning on recruiting a whole korean team for their training facility, wich is highly unlikely. You seriously think the OGS members won't help Huk practice? It'll be same practice regime - Different place. You ignored the part where he said Huk wont have any protoss players to discuss strategies with You ignored what I'm saying... At this day and age, do you need to be right beside someone to chat with each other? Nope, so he can still discuss protoss strats as he did when he was on the OGS house
This is true. In an interview with MorroW he said that living with other pro players didnt really change anything. They asked this exact thing. "But you can discuss strategies with your housemates and such right?". But he answered that he did that online before he went to the house.
The only thing that changes with such a house is that you can focus on SC easier since everyone there has the same in mind. Also you might get a more strict training regimen, but that depends on the "house rules".
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On August 20 2011 23:37 Hardigan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 23:19 Ballistixz wrote:
wait. i havent been following this closely so i have a few questions. why is idra going BACK to korea after all of that hype of him coming back to the states and training with his team, participating in tournaments, and etc?
is he going to staty in korea yet again? that hype etc. was nearly 1 year ago. And he is only there for 1-2 month
what? im pretty sure idra moved back to the states just a few months ago. infact i dont think its even been half a year since he has been in the states.
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Nice HuK making more paper. Nice EG is able to push the envelope too so players get what they deserve like their BW counterparts one day.
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On August 21 2011 08:15 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 00:33 Talin wrote:On August 20 2011 23:15 Egyptian_Head wrote:On August 20 2011 23:02 Gargara wrote:On August 20 2011 22:54 Egyptian_Head wrote:
Why do people care what letters appear before a players name? A starcraft player swopping teams is like a tennis player swopping coach... who cares? Its because we perceive Liquid as the endgame for a team to be in. So now when Huk moved to a rival team of a rival player, it just seems strange. This is teamliquid.net after all, so we inevitably get emotionally attached to teamliquid and the players. Players switch teams all the time, but not much drama there (drama as in fans emotions not team/league scandals and arguments). TeamLiquid was the best forgeiner team for a while however since MLG Dallas I think it was, they have been no where near the best team, they are simply the most visible team. Although they seem to be doing ok right now As far as foreign scene goes, TL has been by and far the most successful team since release until today. It's absurd to even argue otherwise, as no other team gets even close when it comes to major LAN tournament wins and high ranks. TL is also the only foreign team to be represented in GSL (+ regular Code S) consistently since GSL Open 1 until several days ago. Yeah there was a slump for 4-5 months, but that's not nearly enough for other foreign teams to catch up. Not sure about that TBH, I mean in the last like 3+ MLGs idra has placed higher than anyone at TL so not sure you can sya "no other team comes close" Also Idra was still in code S when he left korea, so saying TL is the only foreign team to be represented in GSL since season 1 is wrong.
MLG isn't the only tournament in the world, and as I said - count the overall tournament wins and you'll see that no other team (and especially not EG with their 1 MLG win since release) comes close.
Also, I said TL is the only team to be represented in GSL Opens + Code S consistently since Season 1. That means we always had at least 1 player (even had 2 one season) in the highest tier tournament in the world.
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On August 21 2011 17:12 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 08:15 hunts wrote:On August 21 2011 00:33 Talin wrote:On August 20 2011 23:15 Egyptian_Head wrote:On August 20 2011 23:02 Gargara wrote:On August 20 2011 22:54 Egyptian_Head wrote:
Why do people care what letters appear before a players name? A starcraft player swopping teams is like a tennis player swopping coach... who cares? Its because we perceive Liquid as the endgame for a team to be in. So now when Huk moved to a rival team of a rival player, it just seems strange. This is teamliquid.net after all, so we inevitably get emotionally attached to teamliquid and the players. Players switch teams all the time, but not much drama there (drama as in fans emotions not team/league scandals and arguments). TeamLiquid was the best forgeiner team for a while however since MLG Dallas I think it was, they have been no where near the best team, they are simply the most visible team. Although they seem to be doing ok right now As far as foreign scene goes, TL has been by and far the most successful team since release until today. It's absurd to even argue otherwise, as no other team gets even close when it comes to major LAN tournament wins and high ranks. TL is also the only foreign team to be represented in GSL (+ regular Code S) consistently since GSL Open 1 until several days ago. Yeah there was a slump for 4-5 months, but that's not nearly enough for other foreign teams to catch up. Not sure about that TBH, I mean in the last like 3+ MLGs idra has placed higher than anyone at TL so not sure you can sya "no other team comes close" Also Idra was still in code S when he left korea, so saying TL is the only foreign team to be represented in GSL since season 1 is wrong. MLG isn't the only tournament in the world, and as I said - count the overall tournament wins and you'll see that no other team (and especially not EG) comes close. Also, I said TL is the only team to be represented in GSL Opens + Code S consistently since Season 1. That means we always had at least 1 player (even had 2 one season) in the highest tier tournament in the world.
Not anymore!
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On August 21 2011 08:43 Aiglatson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 08:11 altfornorge wrote:On August 21 2011 07:54 Executor1 wrote:On August 21 2011 04:33 IPA wrote:On August 21 2011 01:23 WackTu wrote:
Huk downgrading, but money is money Yeah, HuK is "downgrading" as he receives life-changing money that will allow him to do what he wants -- very comfortably -- for a living. Total downgrade. Uhhh, you basically just said the same thing he did. Yes huk is receiving more money, but no one can deny he is downgrading his practice environment. Your kidding yourself if you think practicing with Idra and Puma, will benifit huk in anywhere near the same way as practicing with the OGS house. He doesnt even have another protoss to discuss strategies with. Even with puma at IEM i could tell he hasnt kept up in skill at IEM (sure he is still an amazing player who can get to the finals) but 2 months ago when he was still practicing hardcore with TSL i highly doubt someone like mana could have taken him out 2-0, especially when he took out mc in a best of 7 (i dont think anyone will tell you that mana is a better player then mc). I dont think puma will stand a chance against mc in the finals, MC has been practicing hardcore in a team house for the past 2 months, whereas puma has been practicing (more or less) like a foreigner (online with a few practice partners). In a few months puma will be pretty irelevant at any tournament where a korean shows up, is my best guess. Same with huk. Unless of course EG is planning on recruiting a whole korean team for their training facility, wich is highly unlikely. You seriously think the OGS members won't help Huk practice? It'll be same practice regime - Different place. You ignored the part where he said Huk wont have any protoss players to discuss strategies with
incontrol is pro lol
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On August 21 2011 08:11 altfornorge wrote:
You seriously think the OGS members won't help Huk practice?
It'll be same practice regime - Different place.
I would think that oGs players priority would be to practice with other oGs/TL members
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I just got an idea
Huk + Puma to F.United for GSTL!?!?
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On August 21 2011 09:07 Ravnemesteren wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 09:01 altfornorge wrote:On August 21 2011 08:43 Aiglatson wrote:On August 21 2011 08:11 altfornorge wrote:On August 21 2011 07:54 Executor1 wrote:On August 21 2011 04:33 IPA wrote:On August 21 2011 01:23 WackTu wrote:
Huk downgrading, but money is money Yeah, HuK is "downgrading" as he receives life-changing money that will allow him to do what he wants -- very comfortably -- for a living. Total downgrade. Uhhh, you basically just said the same thing he did. Yes huk is receiving more money, but no one can deny he is downgrading his practice environment. Your kidding yourself if you think practicing with Idra and Puma, will benifit huk in anywhere near the same way as practicing with the OGS house. He doesnt even have another protoss to discuss strategies with. Even with puma at IEM i could tell he hasnt kept up in skill at IEM (sure he is still an amazing player who can get to the finals) but 2 months ago when he was still practicing hardcore with TSL i highly doubt someone like mana could have taken him out 2-0, especially when he took out mc in a best of 7 (i dont think anyone will tell you that mana is a better player then mc). I dont think puma will stand a chance against mc in the finals, MC has been practicing hardcore in a team house for the past 2 months, whereas puma has been practicing (more or less) like a foreigner (online with a few practice partners). In a few months puma will be pretty irelevant at any tournament where a korean shows up, is my best guess. Same with huk. Unless of course EG is planning on recruiting a whole korean team for their training facility, wich is highly unlikely. You seriously think the OGS members won't help Huk practice? It'll be same practice regime - Different place. You ignored the part where he said Huk wont have any protoss players to discuss strategies with You ignored what I'm saying... At this day and age, do you need to be right beside someone to chat with each other? Nope, so he can still discuss protoss strats as he did when he was on the OGS house This is true. In an interview with MorroW he said that living with other pro players didnt really change anything. They asked this exact thing. "But you can discuss strategies with your housemates and such right?". But he answered that he did that online before he went to the house. The only thing that changes with such a house is that you can focus on SC easier since everyone there has the same in mind. Also you might get a more strict training regimen, but that depends on the "house rules".
No, its not the same. Anyone who has ever collaborated with an out-of-office colleague will tell you you that its a world of difference from talking face to face. Intangible advantages. Yes, even in this "day and age".
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i thought Idra was adamant about staying in the US now.
Nonetheless, it's great to see these three titans teaming up! A terran, a protoss and a zerg, all of very high skill level! Hopefully both Idra and HuK will improve greatly after a few months with each other in Korea.
We might see a foreigner GSL champion some time this year!
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Its sick how many people call themself fans... suddenly the player switches the team and they are not fans, but haters? Its a great thing that a player has such a value in eSports. If a player has no value, no money is put into eSports and it can't grow.
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