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On April 28 2012 03:29 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 03:26 Heh_ wrote:On April 28 2012 03:17 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:09 Shiori wrote:On April 28 2012 03:06 EmilA wrote:
I am sick and utterly disgusted by the rankings attainable by protoss players who suck so horrible I just can't fathom it. On the European server there are numerous protoss players in the grandmaster bracket who exclusively 1 base all in every game. If you look up Koldyn: He proxy gates every game against protoss or terran - when he mixes it up it's a proxy stargate all in. Against zerg it's another 1/2 base all in, but really, grandmaster for playing at a level that would not earn him masters league with the other two races.
Same goes for NrSClavie - 9000 games played, top 25 grandmasters - he does NOTHING but blink stalker or DT all ins. NOTHING else. One or two base, it'll be an all in.
Fotonkanonimba - cannon rushes and warp prism 4 gates.
It's just absolutely demoralizing losing to these players who are hardly mid-masters level yet repeatedly attain grandmasters because of their race. There are Zergs in GM who just 6pool (one rather notable one made a guide thread on TL) and there are Terrans who exclusively 3rax/1-1-1 Protoss. Hell, there are even players in the GSL who 2 base all-in 9/10 games. Uh... Where are the zergs who only 6 pool. Show me one in GM, please. There was actionjesuz or w/e, I'm pretty sure he fell off the face of earth a year ago. Show me the Terran who is 3rax/1-1-1 into GM please. Even the cheesiest Terran players in GM like Specialist have had to learn to macro. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755 Made it to rank 1 gm on the korean server. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332371 Made it to gm in season 2, maintained top master. There. I showed 2 players who cheesed their way up to GM with terran and zerg. Now please stop your unsubstantiated whining and actually post something constructive. There is a simple reason why cheese works.1: Poor scouting. 2: People, even in the GM league, can't micro properly to defend something which everyone knows "how to react to". Edit: On April 28 2012 03:23 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 28 2012 03:17 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:09 Shiori wrote:On April 28 2012 03:06 EmilA wrote:
I am sick and utterly disgusted by the rankings attainable by protoss players who suck so horrible I just can't fathom it. On the European server there are numerous protoss players in the grandmaster bracket who exclusively 1 base all in every game. If you look up Koldyn: He proxy gates every game against protoss or terran - when he mixes it up it's a proxy stargate all in. Against zerg it's another 1/2 base all in, but really, grandmaster for playing at a level that would not earn him masters league with the other two races.
Same goes for NrSClavie - 9000 games played, top 25 grandmasters - he does NOTHING but blink stalker or DT all ins. NOTHING else. One or two base, it'll be an all in.
Fotonkanonimba - cannon rushes and warp prism 4 gates.
It's just absolutely demoralizing losing to these players who are hardly mid-masters level yet repeatedly attain grandmasters because of their race. There are Zergs in GM who just 6pool (one rather notable one made a guide thread on TL) and there are Terrans who exclusively 3rax/1-1-1 Protoss. Hell, there are even players in the GSL who 2 base all-in 9/10 games. Uh... Where are the zergs who only 6 pool. Show me one in GM, please. There was actionjesuz or w/e, I'm pretty sure he fell off the face of earth a year ago. Show me the Terran who is 3rax/1-1-1 into GM please. Even the cheesiest Terran players in GM like Specialist have had to learn to macro. Seriously? Why not try searching on TL? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755 Just one of many. And I didn't even need to open up a new page. And besides, that's *just* 6pooling. Why not include other cheesy all-ins like baneling busts and roach all-ins, etc.? Go do some research  SERIOUSLY? Do your own research. That thread is from MONTHS ago. The guy is 3-2 in masters league now, hardly GM at all. Looks like just as AcitonJesuz, this guy fell straight off the face of the earth because guess what, you cant fricken 6 pool to GM. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755¤tpage=37#724 How about you read the thread. Yea, neither of those players are remotely near GM anymore. S2 doesn't mean crap. Deezer/Combatex were top10 GM Season 2 and such. Please stop providing completely and utterly laughable "proof".
Stream cheating + cheese =/= honest game + cheese.
Good try though. Not really getting a good grasp of those straws now, are we?
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On April 28 2012 03:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 03:23 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 28 2012 03:17 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:09 Shiori wrote:On April 28 2012 03:06 EmilA wrote:
I am sick and utterly disgusted by the rankings attainable by protoss players who suck so horrible I just can't fathom it. On the European server there are numerous protoss players in the grandmaster bracket who exclusively 1 base all in every game. If you look up Koldyn: He proxy gates every game against protoss or terran - when he mixes it up it's a proxy stargate all in. Against zerg it's another 1/2 base all in, but really, grandmaster for playing at a level that would not earn him masters league with the other two races.
Same goes for NrSClavie - 9000 games played, top 25 grandmasters - he does NOTHING but blink stalker or DT all ins. NOTHING else. One or two base, it'll be an all in.
Fotonkanonimba - cannon rushes and warp prism 4 gates.
It's just absolutely demoralizing losing to these players who are hardly mid-masters level yet repeatedly attain grandmasters because of their race. There are Zergs in GM who just 6pool (one rather notable one made a guide thread on TL) and there are Terrans who exclusively 3rax/1-1-1 Protoss. Hell, there are even players in the GSL who 2 base all-in 9/10 games. Uh... Where are the zergs who only 6 pool. Show me one in GM, please. There was actionjesuz or w/e, I'm pretty sure he fell off the face of earth a year ago. Show me the Terran who is 3rax/1-1-1 into GM please. Even the cheesiest Terran players in GM like Specialist have had to learn to macro. Seriously? Why not try searching on TL? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755 Just one of many. And I didn't even need to open up a new page. And besides, that's *just* 6pooling. Why not include other cheesy all-ins like baneling busts and roach all-ins, etc.? Go do some research SERIOUSLY? Do your own research. That thread is from MONTHS ago. The guy is 3-2 in masters league now, hardly GM at all. Looks like just as AcitonJesuz, this guy fell straight off the face of the earth because guess what, you cant fricken 6 pool to GM. What's that river in Egypt called again? + Show Spoiler +He already got into GM using exactly one cheesy all-in build; not even using any others. That's the exact proof that it's not just Protoss. Get over it. And if you don't think you can marine/ scv all-in each game and/ or 1-1-1 all-in and/ or 11/11 and/ or bunker rush or do other cheesy 1-base all-ins as Terran and get into GM... I don't know what you're smoking, but I'd like some
It's not proof of anything. So you can stop with all the snide smileys. We're talking about protoss achieving GM consistently season after season using these 1-2 base builds. You point to 1 player who made it in GM season 1 or 2. Neither of those players were able to keep their ranking, not even remotely close. Get over it.
Also, where is the link to this guys KR profile, I don;t even see it in his post. Looks like he was actually banned from TL. Dunno,.
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On April 28 2012 03:32 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 03:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 28 2012 03:23 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 28 2012 03:17 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:09 Shiori wrote:On April 28 2012 03:06 EmilA wrote:
I am sick and utterly disgusted by the rankings attainable by protoss players who suck so horrible I just can't fathom it. On the European server there are numerous protoss players in the grandmaster bracket who exclusively 1 base all in every game. If you look up Koldyn: He proxy gates every game against protoss or terran - when he mixes it up it's a proxy stargate all in. Against zerg it's another 1/2 base all in, but really, grandmaster for playing at a level that would not earn him masters league with the other two races.
Same goes for NrSClavie - 9000 games played, top 25 grandmasters - he does NOTHING but blink stalker or DT all ins. NOTHING else. One or two base, it'll be an all in.
Fotonkanonimba - cannon rushes and warp prism 4 gates.
It's just absolutely demoralizing losing to these players who are hardly mid-masters level yet repeatedly attain grandmasters because of their race. There are Zergs in GM who just 6pool (one rather notable one made a guide thread on TL) and there are Terrans who exclusively 3rax/1-1-1 Protoss. Hell, there are even players in the GSL who 2 base all-in 9/10 games. Uh... Where are the zergs who only 6 pool. Show me one in GM, please. There was actionjesuz or w/e, I'm pretty sure he fell off the face of earth a year ago. Show me the Terran who is 3rax/1-1-1 into GM please. Even the cheesiest Terran players in GM like Specialist have had to learn to macro. Seriously? Why not try searching on TL? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755 Just one of many. And I didn't even need to open up a new page. And besides, that's *just* 6pooling. Why not include other cheesy all-ins like baneling busts and roach all-ins, etc.? Go do some research SERIOUSLY? Do your own research. That thread is from MONTHS ago. The guy is 3-2 in masters league now, hardly GM at all. Looks like just as AcitonJesuz, this guy fell straight off the face of the earth because guess what, you cant fricken 6 pool to GM. What's that river in Egypt called again? + Show Spoiler +He already got into GM using exactly one cheesy all-in build; not even using any others. That's the exact proof that it's not just Protoss. Get over it. And if you don't think you can marine/ scv all-in each game and/ or 1-1-1 all-in and/ or 11/11 and/ or bunker rush or do other cheesy 1-base all-ins as Terran and get into GM... I don't know what you're smoking, but I'd like some It's not proof of anything. So you can stop with all the snide smileys. We're talking about protoss achieving GM consistently season after season using these 1-2 base builds. You point to 1 player who made it in GM season 1 or 2. Neither of those players were able to keep their ranking, not even remotely close. Get over it.
You challenge us to point out even a single Zerg or Terran.
We point out several without even needing to perform an in depth search. Even recent ones.
You yell at us for not finding more?
Do your own research. Stop wasting our time.
EDIT: I'm done with this discussion. Find your own GM players; I have no idea how many would convince you, and I don't have the time (nor the care) to find out. Good luck.
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On April 28 2012 03:29 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 03:26 Heh_ wrote:On April 28 2012 03:17 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:09 Shiori wrote:On April 28 2012 03:06 EmilA wrote:
I am sick and utterly disgusted by the rankings attainable by protoss players who suck so horrible I just can't fathom it. On the European server there are numerous protoss players in the grandmaster bracket who exclusively 1 base all in every game. If you look up Koldyn: He proxy gates every game against protoss or terran - when he mixes it up it's a proxy stargate all in. Against zerg it's another 1/2 base all in, but really, grandmaster for playing at a level that would not earn him masters league with the other two races.
Same goes for NrSClavie - 9000 games played, top 25 grandmasters - he does NOTHING but blink stalker or DT all ins. NOTHING else. One or two base, it'll be an all in.
Fotonkanonimba - cannon rushes and warp prism 4 gates.
It's just absolutely demoralizing losing to these players who are hardly mid-masters level yet repeatedly attain grandmasters because of their race. There are Zergs in GM who just 6pool (one rather notable one made a guide thread on TL) and there are Terrans who exclusively 3rax/1-1-1 Protoss. Hell, there are even players in the GSL who 2 base all-in 9/10 games. Uh... Where are the zergs who only 6 pool. Show me one in GM, please. There was actionjesuz or w/e, I'm pretty sure he fell off the face of earth a year ago. Show me the Terran who is 3rax/1-1-1 into GM please. Even the cheesiest Terran players in GM like Specialist have had to learn to macro. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755 Made it to rank 1 gm on the korean server. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332371 Made it to gm in season 2, maintained top master. There. I showed 2 players who cheesed their way up to GM with terran and zerg. Now please stop your unsubstantiated whining and actually post something constructive. There is a simple reason why cheese works.1: Poor scouting. 2: People, even in the GM league, can't micro properly to defend something which everyone knows "how to react to". Edit: On April 28 2012 03:23 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 28 2012 03:17 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:09 Shiori wrote:On April 28 2012 03:06 EmilA wrote:
I am sick and utterly disgusted by the rankings attainable by protoss players who suck so horrible I just can't fathom it. On the European server there are numerous protoss players in the grandmaster bracket who exclusively 1 base all in every game. If you look up Koldyn: He proxy gates every game against protoss or terran - when he mixes it up it's a proxy stargate all in. Against zerg it's another 1/2 base all in, but really, grandmaster for playing at a level that would not earn him masters league with the other two races.
Same goes for NrSClavie - 9000 games played, top 25 grandmasters - he does NOTHING but blink stalker or DT all ins. NOTHING else. One or two base, it'll be an all in.
Fotonkanonimba - cannon rushes and warp prism 4 gates.
It's just absolutely demoralizing losing to these players who are hardly mid-masters level yet repeatedly attain grandmasters because of their race. There are Zergs in GM who just 6pool (one rather notable one made a guide thread on TL) and there are Terrans who exclusively 3rax/1-1-1 Protoss. Hell, there are even players in the GSL who 2 base all-in 9/10 games. Uh... Where are the zergs who only 6 pool. Show me one in GM, please. There was actionjesuz or w/e, I'm pretty sure he fell off the face of earth a year ago. Show me the Terran who is 3rax/1-1-1 into GM please. Even the cheesiest Terran players in GM like Specialist have had to learn to macro. Seriously? Why not try searching on TL? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755 Just one of many. And I didn't even need to open up a new page. And besides, that's *just* 6pooling. Why not include other cheesy all-ins like baneling busts and roach all-ins, etc.? Go do some research SERIOUSLY? Do your own research. That thread is from MONTHS ago. The guy is 3-2 in masters league now, hardly GM at all. Looks like just as AcitonJesuz, this guy fell straight off the face of the earth because guess what, you cant fricken 6 pool to GM. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755¤tpage=37#724 How about you read the thread. Yea, neither of those players are remotely near GM anymore. S2 doesn't mean crap. Deezer/Combatex were top10 GM Season 2 and such. Please stop providing completely and utterly laughable "proof".
He WAS GM. You said you can't get into GM by cheesing unless you're protoss. I proved you wrong. Top masters not good enough for you? How about you get there with your "legit macro" before looking down on other people who are better than you.
I wrote this line on top, but I guess your eyesight is so bad that you can't see it. Tell you what, get your eyes checked. It might help you improve your game. I'll bold it for you to see.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755¤tpage=37#724 How about you read the thread.
Like the guy above me mentioned, and I'll repeat myself since you're so lacking in reading skills: He's RANK 1 GM IN KOREA as of april 1. Maybe the date doesn't agree with you.
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On April 28 2012 03:38 Heh_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 03:29 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:26 Heh_ wrote:On April 28 2012 03:17 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:09 Shiori wrote:On April 28 2012 03:06 EmilA wrote:
I am sick and utterly disgusted by the rankings attainable by protoss players who suck so horrible I just can't fathom it. On the European server there are numerous protoss players in the grandmaster bracket who exclusively 1 base all in every game. If you look up Koldyn: He proxy gates every game against protoss or terran - when he mixes it up it's a proxy stargate all in. Against zerg it's another 1/2 base all in, but really, grandmaster for playing at a level that would not earn him masters league with the other two races.
Same goes for NrSClavie - 9000 games played, top 25 grandmasters - he does NOTHING but blink stalker or DT all ins. NOTHING else. One or two base, it'll be an all in.
Fotonkanonimba - cannon rushes and warp prism 4 gates.
It's just absolutely demoralizing losing to these players who are hardly mid-masters level yet repeatedly attain grandmasters because of their race. There are Zergs in GM who just 6pool (one rather notable one made a guide thread on TL) and there are Terrans who exclusively 3rax/1-1-1 Protoss. Hell, there are even players in the GSL who 2 base all-in 9/10 games. Uh... Where are the zergs who only 6 pool. Show me one in GM, please. There was actionjesuz or w/e, I'm pretty sure he fell off the face of earth a year ago. Show me the Terran who is 3rax/1-1-1 into GM please. Even the cheesiest Terran players in GM like Specialist have had to learn to macro. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755 Made it to rank 1 gm on the korean server. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332371 Made it to gm in season 2, maintained top master. There. I showed 2 players who cheesed their way up to GM with terran and zerg. Now please stop your unsubstantiated whining and actually post something constructive. There is a simple reason why cheese works.1: Poor scouting. 2: People, even in the GM league, can't micro properly to defend something which everyone knows "how to react to". Edit: On April 28 2012 03:23 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 28 2012 03:17 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:09 Shiori wrote:On April 28 2012 03:06 EmilA wrote:
I am sick and utterly disgusted by the rankings attainable by protoss players who suck so horrible I just can't fathom it. On the European server there are numerous protoss players in the grandmaster bracket who exclusively 1 base all in every game. If you look up Koldyn: He proxy gates every game against protoss or terran - when he mixes it up it's a proxy stargate all in. Against zerg it's another 1/2 base all in, but really, grandmaster for playing at a level that would not earn him masters league with the other two races.
Same goes for NrSClavie - 9000 games played, top 25 grandmasters - he does NOTHING but blink stalker or DT all ins. NOTHING else. One or two base, it'll be an all in.
Fotonkanonimba - cannon rushes and warp prism 4 gates.
It's just absolutely demoralizing losing to these players who are hardly mid-masters level yet repeatedly attain grandmasters because of their race. There are Zergs in GM who just 6pool (one rather notable one made a guide thread on TL) and there are Terrans who exclusively 3rax/1-1-1 Protoss. Hell, there are even players in the GSL who 2 base all-in 9/10 games. Uh... Where are the zergs who only 6 pool. Show me one in GM, please. There was actionjesuz or w/e, I'm pretty sure he fell off the face of earth a year ago. Show me the Terran who is 3rax/1-1-1 into GM please. Even the cheesiest Terran players in GM like Specialist have had to learn to macro. Seriously? Why not try searching on TL? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755 Just one of many. And I didn't even need to open up a new page. And besides, that's *just* 6pooling. Why not include other cheesy all-ins like baneling busts and roach all-ins, etc.? Go do some research SERIOUSLY? Do your own research. That thread is from MONTHS ago. The guy is 3-2 in masters league now, hardly GM at all. Looks like just as AcitonJesuz, this guy fell straight off the face of the earth because guess what, you cant fricken 6 pool to GM. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755¤tpage=37#724 How about you read the thread. Yea, neither of those players are remotely near GM anymore. S2 doesn't mean crap. Deezer/Combatex were top10 GM Season 2 and such. Please stop providing completely and utterly laughable "proof". He WAS GM. You said you can't get into GM by cheesing unless you're protoss. I proved you wrong. Top masters not good enough for you? How about you get there with your "legit macro" before looking down on other people who are better than you. I wrote this line on top, but I guess your eyesight is so bad that you can't see it. Tell you what, get your eyes checked. It might help you improve your game. I'll bold it for you to see. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755¤tpage=37#724 How about you read the thread.Like the guy above me mentioned, and I'll repeat myself since you're so lacking in reading skills: He's RANK 1 GM IN KOREA as of april 1. Maybe the date doesn't agree with you.
I have 20/20 vision thank you very much. Never needed glasses, probably won't for a long time. I see he say's "thanks to your glory input i just made #1 gm on the korean server. thank you alot pro, im willing to share all the money ill earn in tournaments withy ou know. u had to be a genius to figure that out" I'm going to read into that as a normal person would and assume he's being sarcastic. Unless I see his KR profile, I don't believe for a second he even made it into KR GM let alone top 8 masters.
Also, the people Emilia was referring to are GM currently. No one you guys have found have been GM this season or even top masters.
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On April 28 2012 03:21 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 01:57 Rob28 wrote:On April 27 2012 06:23 neoghaleon55 wrote:
It seems like TvP late game is a struggle because protoss warps in a ton of zealots but Terran has no AOE damage to defend against it.
Hint: Zealots can't shoot at range or hit air units. Kite with cshells + starport. Zeals no problem anymore. Basic stuff really, i feel embarassed for even having to point it out. Hint: Archons can shoot air, storm rapes air, feedback rapes banshee/BC. What league has this worked for you in?
Cool hint bro, but the problem was stated as "wah, i fought the protoss deathball and he warped in a bunch of zealots afterwards". Warp in some archons (you can't), templar with feedback or storm instantly (since amulet is gone), and get back to me on how that goes over for you.
Terran players: worried about warped in zealot reinforcements raping what's left of your troops after a big fight? Keep some banshees off the the side for mopping up reinforcements. BAM, warpgate advantage negated.
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On April 28 2012 03:48 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 03:38 Heh_ wrote:On April 28 2012 03:29 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:26 Heh_ wrote:On April 28 2012 03:17 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:09 Shiori wrote:On April 28 2012 03:06 EmilA wrote:
I am sick and utterly disgusted by the rankings attainable by protoss players who suck so horrible I just can't fathom it. On the European server there are numerous protoss players in the grandmaster bracket who exclusively 1 base all in every game. If you look up Koldyn: He proxy gates every game against protoss or terran - when he mixes it up it's a proxy stargate all in. Against zerg it's another 1/2 base all in, but really, grandmaster for playing at a level that would not earn him masters league with the other two races.
Same goes for NrSClavie - 9000 games played, top 25 grandmasters - he does NOTHING but blink stalker or DT all ins. NOTHING else. One or two base, it'll be an all in.
Fotonkanonimba - cannon rushes and warp prism 4 gates.
It's just absolutely demoralizing losing to these players who are hardly mid-masters level yet repeatedly attain grandmasters because of their race. There are Zergs in GM who just 6pool (one rather notable one made a guide thread on TL) and there are Terrans who exclusively 3rax/1-1-1 Protoss. Hell, there are even players in the GSL who 2 base all-in 9/10 games. Uh... Where are the zergs who only 6 pool. Show me one in GM, please. There was actionjesuz or w/e, I'm pretty sure he fell off the face of earth a year ago. Show me the Terran who is 3rax/1-1-1 into GM please. Even the cheesiest Terran players in GM like Specialist have had to learn to macro. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755 Made it to rank 1 gm on the korean server. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332371 Made it to gm in season 2, maintained top master. There. I showed 2 players who cheesed their way up to GM with terran and zerg. Now please stop your unsubstantiated whining and actually post something constructive. There is a simple reason why cheese works.1: Poor scouting. 2: People, even in the GM league, can't micro properly to defend something which everyone knows "how to react to". Edit: On April 28 2012 03:23 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 28 2012 03:17 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:09 Shiori wrote:On April 28 2012 03:06 EmilA wrote:
I am sick and utterly disgusted by the rankings attainable by protoss players who suck so horrible I just can't fathom it. On the European server there are numerous protoss players in the grandmaster bracket who exclusively 1 base all in every game. If you look up Koldyn: He proxy gates every game against protoss or terran - when he mixes it up it's a proxy stargate all in. Against zerg it's another 1/2 base all in, but really, grandmaster for playing at a level that would not earn him masters league with the other two races.
Same goes for NrSClavie - 9000 games played, top 25 grandmasters - he does NOTHING but blink stalker or DT all ins. NOTHING else. One or two base, it'll be an all in.
Fotonkanonimba - cannon rushes and warp prism 4 gates.
It's just absolutely demoralizing losing to these players who are hardly mid-masters level yet repeatedly attain grandmasters because of their race. There are Zergs in GM who just 6pool (one rather notable one made a guide thread on TL) and there are Terrans who exclusively 3rax/1-1-1 Protoss. Hell, there are even players in the GSL who 2 base all-in 9/10 games. Uh... Where are the zergs who only 6 pool. Show me one in GM, please. There was actionjesuz or w/e, I'm pretty sure he fell off the face of earth a year ago. Show me the Terran who is 3rax/1-1-1 into GM please. Even the cheesiest Terran players in GM like Specialist have had to learn to macro. Seriously? Why not try searching on TL? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755 Just one of many. And I didn't even need to open up a new page. And besides, that's *just* 6pooling. Why not include other cheesy all-ins like baneling busts and roach all-ins, etc.? Go do some research SERIOUSLY? Do your own research. That thread is from MONTHS ago. The guy is 3-2 in masters league now, hardly GM at all. Looks like just as AcitonJesuz, this guy fell straight off the face of the earth because guess what, you cant fricken 6 pool to GM. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755¤tpage=37#724 How about you read the thread. Yea, neither of those players are remotely near GM anymore. S2 doesn't mean crap. Deezer/Combatex were top10 GM Season 2 and such. Please stop providing completely and utterly laughable "proof". He WAS GM. You said you can't get into GM by cheesing unless you're protoss. I proved you wrong. Top masters not good enough for you? How about you get there with your "legit macro" before looking down on other people who are better than you. I wrote this line on top, but I guess your eyesight is so bad that you can't see it. Tell you what, get your eyes checked. It might help you improve your game. I'll bold it for you to see. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755¤tpage=37#724 How about you read the thread.Like the guy above me mentioned, and I'll repeat myself since you're so lacking in reading skills: He's RANK 1 GM IN KOREA as of april 1. Maybe the date doesn't agree with you. I have 20/20 vision thank you very much. Never needed glasses, probably won't for a long time. I see he say's "thanks to your glory input i just made #1 gm on the korean server. thank you alot pro, im willing to share all the money ill earn in tournaments withy ou know. u had to be a genius to figure that out" I'm going to read into that as a normal person would and assume he's being sarcastic. Unless I see his KR profile, I don't believe for a second he even made it into KR GM let alone top 8 masters.
Tell you what, why don't you PM and ask him about it. Like DarkPlasmaBall, I'm getting sick of your denial of proof. You're just cherrypicking points that you like and ignoring the rest. We've proven our point, if you decide that it isn't valid, please continue sulking in that little corner of the room that you live in.
Congrats, you turned this from a balance discussion thread into a whine thread. Not even balance whining, just plain and simple whining. 
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On April 28 2012 03:53 Rob28 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 03:21 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 01:57 Rob28 wrote:On April 27 2012 06:23 neoghaleon55 wrote:
It seems like TvP late game is a struggle because protoss warps in a ton of zealots but Terran has no AOE damage to defend against it.
Hint: Zealots can't shoot at range or hit air units. Kite with cshells + starport. Zeals no problem anymore. Basic stuff really, i feel embarassed for even having to point it out. Hint: Archons can shoot air, storm rapes air, feedback rapes banshee/BC. What league has this worked for you in? Cool hint bro, but the problem was stated as "wah, i fought the protoss deathball and he warped in a bunch of zealots afterwards". Warp in some archons (you can't), templar with feedback or storm instantly (since amulet is gone), and get back to me on how that goes over for you. Terran players: worried about warped in zealot reinforcements raping what's left of your troops after a big fight? Keep some banshees off the the side for mopping up reinforcements. BAM, warpgate advantage negated.
Some one else take this. Im gonna leave before I say something that will get me in trouble. I'm too rage prone for this ><
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On April 28 2012 03:48 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 03:38 Heh_ wrote:On April 28 2012 03:29 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:26 Heh_ wrote:On April 28 2012 03:17 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:09 Shiori wrote:On April 28 2012 03:06 EmilA wrote:
I am sick and utterly disgusted by the rankings attainable by protoss players who suck so horrible I just can't fathom it. On the European server there are numerous protoss players in the grandmaster bracket who exclusively 1 base all in every game. If you look up Koldyn: He proxy gates every game against protoss or terran - when he mixes it up it's a proxy stargate all in. Against zerg it's another 1/2 base all in, but really, grandmaster for playing at a level that would not earn him masters league with the other two races.
Same goes for NrSClavie - 9000 games played, top 25 grandmasters - he does NOTHING but blink stalker or DT all ins. NOTHING else. One or two base, it'll be an all in.
Fotonkanonimba - cannon rushes and warp prism 4 gates.
It's just absolutely demoralizing losing to these players who are hardly mid-masters level yet repeatedly attain grandmasters because of their race. There are Zergs in GM who just 6pool (one rather notable one made a guide thread on TL) and there are Terrans who exclusively 3rax/1-1-1 Protoss. Hell, there are even players in the GSL who 2 base all-in 9/10 games. Uh... Where are the zergs who only 6 pool. Show me one in GM, please. There was actionjesuz or w/e, I'm pretty sure he fell off the face of earth a year ago. Show me the Terran who is 3rax/1-1-1 into GM please. Even the cheesiest Terran players in GM like Specialist have had to learn to macro. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755 Made it to rank 1 gm on the korean server. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332371 Made it to gm in season 2, maintained top master. There. I showed 2 players who cheesed their way up to GM with terran and zerg. Now please stop your unsubstantiated whining and actually post something constructive. There is a simple reason why cheese works.1: Poor scouting. 2: People, even in the GM league, can't micro properly to defend something which everyone knows "how to react to". Edit: On April 28 2012 03:23 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 28 2012 03:17 SupLilSon wrote:On April 28 2012 03:09 Shiori wrote:On April 28 2012 03:06 EmilA wrote:
I am sick and utterly disgusted by the rankings attainable by protoss players who suck so horrible I just can't fathom it. On the European server there are numerous protoss players in the grandmaster bracket who exclusively 1 base all in every game. If you look up Koldyn: He proxy gates every game against protoss or terran - when he mixes it up it's a proxy stargate all in. Against zerg it's another 1/2 base all in, but really, grandmaster for playing at a level that would not earn him masters league with the other two races.
Same goes for NrSClavie - 9000 games played, top 25 grandmasters - he does NOTHING but blink stalker or DT all ins. NOTHING else. One or two base, it'll be an all in.
Fotonkanonimba - cannon rushes and warp prism 4 gates.
It's just absolutely demoralizing losing to these players who are hardly mid-masters level yet repeatedly attain grandmasters because of their race. There are Zergs in GM who just 6pool (one rather notable one made a guide thread on TL) and there are Terrans who exclusively 3rax/1-1-1 Protoss. Hell, there are even players in the GSL who 2 base all-in 9/10 games. Uh... Where are the zergs who only 6 pool. Show me one in GM, please. There was actionjesuz or w/e, I'm pretty sure he fell off the face of earth a year ago. Show me the Terran who is 3rax/1-1-1 into GM please. Even the cheesiest Terran players in GM like Specialist have had to learn to macro. Seriously? Why not try searching on TL? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755 Just one of many. And I didn't even need to open up a new page. And besides, that's *just* 6pooling. Why not include other cheesy all-ins like baneling busts and roach all-ins, etc.? Go do some research SERIOUSLY? Do your own research. That thread is from MONTHS ago. The guy is 3-2 in masters league now, hardly GM at all. Looks like just as AcitonJesuz, this guy fell straight off the face of the earth because guess what, you cant fricken 6 pool to GM. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755¤tpage=37#724 How about you read the thread. Yea, neither of those players are remotely near GM anymore. S2 doesn't mean crap. Deezer/Combatex were top10 GM Season 2 and such. Please stop providing completely and utterly laughable "proof". He WAS GM. You said you can't get into GM by cheesing unless you're protoss. I proved you wrong. Top masters not good enough for you? How about you get there with your "legit macro" before looking down on other people who are better than you. I wrote this line on top, but I guess your eyesight is so bad that you can't see it. Tell you what, get your eyes checked. It might help you improve your game. I'll bold it for you to see. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283755¤tpage=37#724 How about you read the thread.Like the guy above me mentioned, and I'll repeat myself since you're so lacking in reading skills: He's RANK 1 GM IN KOREA as of april 1. Maybe the date doesn't agree with you. I have 20/20 vision thank you very much. Never needed glasses, probably won't for a long time. I see he say's "thanks to your glory input i just made #1 gm on the korean server. thank you alot pro, im willing to share all the money ill earn in tournaments withy ou know. u had to be a genius to figure that out" I'm going to read into that as a normal person would and assume he's being sarcastic. Unless I see his KR profile, I don't believe for a second he even made it into KR GM let alone top 8 masters. Also, the people Emilia was referring to are GM currently. No one you guys have found have been GM this season or even top masters.
Well, I guess you require more proof than we are willing to provide. I mean, we could get really picky and demand that we see accounts, game histories and replays from several seasons to PROVE that they only did the builds that Emilia stated. I mean, they could have done them against Emilia because they won with them previously. They could have used other builds, we don't know. But I don't think we care that much.
But maybe you are right. Maybe Protoss is the only race where you can get to GM using only cheese/one-two base all ins.
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giving zerg overseers at hatch tech would be way overpowered since it would make banshee and DT openings useless vs zerg. I think that should allow overlord speed to be researched at hatch tech, or just increase the base overlord speed.
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I think Psi Storm needs a little nerf, so the game could be more balanced. As of now, one psi storm can be devastating to marines, marauders, zerglings and pretty much that is biological. So, I think that the following change will be good : instead of 80 dmg to every type of units, make it 45 dmg vs bio and 45(+35) vs mechanical. Basically, while it will remain unchanged vs mechanical, it certainly wouldn't be that devastating to biological units.
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With that damage change better to completely remove psi storm -.-
Just play some games as protoss to see how hard it is to get HTs : you need at least 2 buildings , a research , and once it finished you still have to wait until you can storm , and HTs are pretty expensive in gaz .
So just imagine if they nerf storm damage , that spell would be completely useless. Every player would just make archons or skip to DTs ...
And yeah ghosts are pretty good too ...
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On April 28 2012 04:31 Chef0 wrote:
I think Psi Storm needs a little nerf, so the game could be more balanced. As of now, one psi storm can be devastating to marines, marauders, zerglings and pretty much that is biological. So, I think that the following change will be good : instead of 80 dmg to every type of units, make it 45 dmg vs bio and 45(+35) vs mechanical. Basically, while it will remain unchanged vs mechanical, it certainly wouldn't be that devastating to biological units.
So.... essentially remove the function of psi storm from the game?
That's like me kindly asking for EMP to only remove 25 energy and shields from all Protoss units and spellcasters, but as much energy and shields as you want from any other unit.
See the problem? It's retarded.
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If it takes you an average of 10-12 posts in a discussion to get to the point where you say "Ok, I'm out of here, I can't argue with these people.", maybe you should stop reading and responding to this thread? It doesn't seem to be doing you any good.
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On April 28 2012 04:15 Xlancer wrote:
giving zerg overseers at hatch tech would be way overpowered since it would make banshee and DT openings useless vs zerg. I think that should allow overlord speed to be researched at hatch tech, or just increase the base overlord speed.
There are plenty of reasons why overseer at hatch tech wouldn't be a smart change. Cloaked banshee and DT opening being 'useless' is not one of them.
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On April 28 2012 05:13 Dragar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 04:15 Xlancer wrote:
giving zerg overseers at hatch tech would be way overpowered since it would make banshee and DT openings useless vs zerg. I think that should allow overlord speed to be researched at hatch tech, or just increase the base overlord speed. There are plenty of reasons why overseer at hatch tech wouldn't be a smart change. Cloaked banshee and DT opening being 'useless' is not one of them.
Wow, what's with the arrogance? Please "enlighten" me as to the REAL reasons why overseers at hatch tech is a bad idea...
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On April 28 2012 04:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 04:31 Chef0 wrote:
I think Psi Storm needs a little nerf, so the game could be more balanced. As of now, one psi storm can be devastating to marines, marauders, zerglings and pretty much that is biological. So, I think that the following change will be good : instead of 80 dmg to every type of units, make it 45 dmg vs bio and 45(+35) vs mechanical. Basically, while it will remain unchanged vs mechanical, it certainly wouldn't be that devastating to biological units. So.... essentially remove the function of psi storm from the game? That's like me kindly asking for EMP to only remove 25 energy and shields from all Protoss units and spellcasters, but as much energy and shields as you want from any other unit. See the problem? It's retarded.
I can see how you have 16000 posts, putting so much effort into each of your responses..
How do you expect people to engage in balance "discussion" with you or take you at all seriously when your response to people's proposals is "It's retarded". Like really?
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On April 28 2012 05:51 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 04:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 28 2012 04:31 Chef0 wrote:
I think Psi Storm needs a little nerf, so the game could be more balanced. As of now, one psi storm can be devastating to marines, marauders, zerglings and pretty much that is biological. So, I think that the following change will be good : instead of 80 dmg to every type of units, make it 45 dmg vs bio and 45(+35) vs mechanical. Basically, while it will remain unchanged vs mechanical, it certainly wouldn't be that devastating to biological units. So.... essentially remove the function of psi storm from the game? That's like me kindly asking for EMP to only remove 25 energy and shields from all Protoss units and spellcasters, but as much energy and shields as you want from any other unit. See the problem? It's retarded. I can see how you have 16000 posts, putting so much effort into each of your responses.. How do you expect people to engage in balance "discussion" with you or take you at all seriously when your response to people's proposals is "It's retarded". Like really?
Math and reading comprehension aren't your strong points, are they?
I likened his suggestion to a similar EMP one, and pointed out how both would remove the vital functionality of the spells. Storm is used to kill (or severely harm) bio, not mech; EMP is used to stop spellcasters and those with shield, not those without. It's called an analogy. You didn't even bother reading my post for substance.
I do, however, appreciate you putting so much effort into criticizing my post and not putting any thought into any actual discussion taking place. I wonder what your post count will end up becoming.
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On April 28 2012 05:51 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 04:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 28 2012 04:31 Chef0 wrote:
I think Psi Storm needs a little nerf, so the game could be more balanced. As of now, one psi storm can be devastating to marines, marauders, zerglings and pretty much that is biological. So, I think that the following change will be good : instead of 80 dmg to every type of units, make it 45 dmg vs bio and 45(+35) vs mechanical. Basically, while it will remain unchanged vs mechanical, it certainly wouldn't be that devastating to biological units. So.... essentially remove the function of psi storm from the game? That's like me kindly asking for EMP to only remove 25 energy and shields from all Protoss units and spellcasters, but as much energy and shields as you want from any other unit. See the problem? It's retarded. I can see how you have 16000 posts, putting so much effort into each of your responses.. How do you expect people to engage in balance "discussion" with you or take you at all seriously when your response to people's proposals is "It's retarded". Like really?
Well bad ideas are bad ideas. Psi storms main feature is the amount of damage it does and it is an extream late game spell. The spell would be beyond useless against zerg, since it wouldn't even dent roaches. It is also one of the 3 AOEs protoss have. It would just be silly and not worth the price.
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On April 28 2012 05:38 Xlancer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 05:13 Dragar wrote:On April 28 2012 04:15 Xlancer wrote:
giving zerg overseers at hatch tech would be way overpowered since it would make banshee and DT openings useless vs zerg. I think that should allow overlord speed to be researched at hatch tech, or just increase the base overlord speed. There are plenty of reasons why overseer at hatch tech wouldn't be a smart change. Cloaked banshee and DT opening being 'useless' is not one of them. Wow, what's with the arrogance? Please "enlighten" me as to the REAL reasons why overseers at hatch tech is a bad idea...
Because you can contaminate warp-gate tech, for one thing.
Cloaked banshees are almost never used at pro level these days (it puts the Terran player in a terrible position if scouted) and DT is not an opener that matters - zerg players frequently deal with DTs at lair tech using spores, and aggression happens after roach speed - so defensive DT play remains unchanged (and is never really used).
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