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Ralorarp
Profile Joined June 2011
United States9 Posts
August 04 2011 02:04 GMT
#341
Quick question:

CS tournaments still go on? Where can I find them? Same for quake live.

Thanks.
FreshNoThyme
Profile Joined March 2008
United States356 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 02:15:10
August 04 2011 02:05 GMT
#342
On August 04 2011 10:28 rza wrote:
only mentioning halo 2 times?
its the reason there is esport in north america


I'll let someone more equipped to answer this go into detail, but they were and are completely different beasts.

I agree that Halo was crucial, but saying it is the "reason" that "e-sports [exist] in North America" is flat out wrong. Quake and CS both came out before Halo and have been huge since they were released. $50,000-$100,000 events, gamer houses, paid contracts, massive sponsorships, etc. all existed in those games as well, and were around at the same time (if not before) it all existed in Halo, all of it in NA.

CS has remained bigger for longer (in terms of payout, contract salary, and professional player pool (note: different from amount of people who simply participate in events; I am talking about serious contracted teams)), and is more culturally relevant to SC2 (PC-based competition (and yes, I know Halo came out for PC, but the majority of competition was for console)).

Compare e-sports coverage of CS back in the day to Halo. Every single day, dozens of news posts went up about every small local event, player transfer, demos, "drama", etc. in the CS world, and continued to do so in the U.S. for almost 8 years until it finally slowed down in the U.S. This all still exists overseas, but that's neither here nor there. The sites that cover(ed) games like CS and Quake are the same ones that covered SCBW and are now covering SC2 (for the most part).

Yes, Halo is massively important to the development. But to say it is the "reason" for e-sports in NA is ridiculous. CS and Quake were as big for as long, if not bigger for longer, and just as crucial (if not more so) than Halo was or is.

Fighting games are also MASSIVELY important to e-sports, but again, they are a different beast. Shoryuken.com and rarely mingled with the likes of GotFrag, because they were just different.

FreshNoThyme
Profile Joined March 2008
United States356 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 02:11:27
August 04 2011 02:10 GMT
#343
On August 04 2011 11:04 Ralorarp wrote:
Quick question:

CS tournaments still go on? Where can I find them? Same for quake live.

Thanks.


http://www.hltv.org/
http://eseanews.com/
http://www.sk-gaming.com/
http://www.cadred.org/
http://www.esreality.com/

HLTV.org is the main one. And yes, massive events are still being held.
D.Devil
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany227 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 15:13:36
August 04 2011 02:29 GMT
#344
On August 04 2011 10:28 rza wrote:
only mentioning halo 2 times?
its the reason there is esport in north america

I have no interest in writing about results – and I believe I mentioned all events that had a real impact on the industry. CS/WC3/Quake have simply been the games where the most stuff happened because there's a huge variety of event organisers and professionally organized teams.

On August 02 2011 17:24 D.Devil wrote:
This text isn't supposed to be a 100% complete history of esports. This is why I specifically left out many things that have no relevance to today [...] This being said, the Korean SC:BW scene has been really constant. This is great for Korea, but gives me little to write about (I could have mentioned bonjwas and revolutions in strategy, but decided against it; [...]). The same applies to fighting games and other communities.
@larisyrota on Twitter
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
August 04 2011 02:44 GMT
#345
this is AMAZINGGGGGGGGGGGG
POGGERS
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
August 04 2011 04:53 GMT
#346
Yeah, this is more accurately the "history of PC e-sports in the west relevant to SC2" We'd get less posts about fighting games and Halo. Off-topic: I'd love to see SFIV at MLG.

I've always been familiar with "esports" though I've always just called it competitive gaming before people started to call it that. Knew about Quake. Knew about Korean BW. Knew about the CS scene while I was playing CS. Not that I was not interested, those communities didn't feel very accessible. Tucked away in some corner. I mean... look at the amount of people who simply don't know. The word just doesn't get out. In SC2 beta, it would be impossible to not be linked to a match or matches talked about. I just got addicted. Watch more than I play actually.

Nice to know what happened to CPL. I tried to login into CAL a year or so ago and I was like WTF? :<
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
Distortion_nZ
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand41 Posts
August 04 2011 09:27 GMT
#347
Great post, read the whole thing, took about 45mins.
JonB
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden325 Posts
August 04 2011 16:17 GMT
#348
Love the effort you put into it. Thanks for this.
hacker and programmer - the2me4u on skype
MartinN
Profile Joined April 2011
Spain307 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 18:19:27
August 04 2011 17:52 GMT
#349
good job man

" January 2007: The Championship Gaming Series by DirecTV starts – and brings esports to the TV. It's a global league with over 1 000 000 $ in prize money, and it's completely exclusive: If you sign one of CGS' lucrative contracts, you aren't allowed to participate in any other tournaments. The selected games are rather controversial: CS:Source... "

sad say in CS american community, FUCK YOU CGS!
Erucious
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway393 Posts
August 04 2011 18:36 GMT
#350
amazing writeup! thanks for sharing
I'm Norwegian/Dutch. Just the awesome parts of them though :D
BuddhaMonk
Profile Joined August 2010
781 Posts
August 05 2011 00:08 GMT
#351
On August 04 2011 11:04 Ralorarp wrote:
Quick question:

CS tournaments still go on? Where can I find them? Same for quake live.

Thanks.


The best english site for CS coverage is www.hltv.org
jaczie
Profile Joined July 2010
34 Posts
August 05 2011 01:35 GMT
#352
This brings tears to my eyes. <3
EnSky
Profile Joined June 2011
Philippines1003 Posts
August 05 2011 01:38 GMT
#353
I learned a lot from the OP. Thanks!
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
August 05 2011 01:52 GMT
#354
Amazing write up D.Devil. Thank You for putting the effort into this write up :D

Every time I see something about cyx though it makes me sad
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
August 05 2011 05:40 GMT
#355
Absolutely great write-up. However, I do want to point out the blatant lack of TSL history in there
bigAL
Profile Joined June 2010
United States49 Posts
August 05 2011 07:04 GMT
#356
Thank you for the amazing post. Forwarding this to friends to educate.
Song Byung Goo!!! Song Byung Goo!!! Song Byung Goo!!!
Memnon
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada37 Posts
August 06 2011 13:43 GMT
#357
Great post, enjoyed the read. I'm glad there are people out there who appreciate eSports for its history, and will actually try to promote it properly.

You should add something to the end, a summary of where some of the major games are going. Something like this:

SC:BW: Korean scene is still going strong, although recently is under threat, as MBC is thinking of turning from eSports to a music channel. Foreign scene is pretty much the same as it has been for the last 10 years, although it is only just recovering from some of its players moving to SC2.

My example is BW because I have been out of touch with SC2 for a few months, and I don't think I am qualified to summarize what is going on.

Anyway, good luck with your The Rocketjumper site, if you get it going you might hear from me again.
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
August 06 2011 13:50 GMT
#358
MLG in 2002? I'm pretty sure it began in 2004?
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
August 06 2011 18:13 GMT
#359
I love your tl;dr comment xD. I would've put "First post woot! + Show Spoiler +
tl;dr
" . Almost tricked me into reporting T.T
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
Freefall
Profile Joined May 2011
Bahamas46 Posts
August 07 2011 12:02 GMT
#360
read most of it, i love e-sports history=)
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