MLG has released more information on the spectator experience in Anaheim, which will let you meet your favorite players, including our four Korean GSL invites (BoxeR, MMA, MVP & DonGraeGu), and casters Day9, djWHEAT, JP, Husky & MrBitter.
Additionally, it has been announced that Starcraft 2 will take Center Main Stage for the first time in MLG history.
The Stages
At the very front of the venue you’ll see the three Main Stages. There is one each for StarCraft 2, Halo: Reach, and Call of Duty: Black Ops. And here’s where the setup will differ somewhat from previous Pro Circuit events. Because of overwhelming popular demand, we have moved StarCraft 2 to the center Main Stage. This marks the first time a PC title has ever been featured in the center of the venue. And as to the burning question on all of your minds: yes, there will be more chairs. Lots of them.
The gameplay on the Main Stages and floor stations is far from the only action going on over the weekend, though. The venue floor contains a variety of booths and special areas featuring contests, special promotions, chances to meet your favorite players and get their autographs, and much more.
Special Activities
Ever want to play StarCraft 2 while sitting inside a Hummer? Of course you have; who hasn’t? And now you can. The all-new Alienware Hummer will be parked right in the venue, and it will be decked out with Alienware PCs and monitors, on which you can play StarCraft 2 and a variety of other games. And to make the deal even sweeter, team Dignitas will be on hand, giving out autographs on Friday and Saturday (see the full schedule for specific times).
Halo was a Mainstage Game? Halo and Call of Duty are only played by the americans, smart people don't play this casualshooters on consoles WITH A GAMEPAD oO
Extremely great news for the growth of SC2 in the foreigner scene!!! We are once again one step closer to seeing SC2 in our TV's!!! Seriously, who has not dreamed with SC2 having its own dedicated cable TV channel! :D
On July 27 2011 02:20 setzer wrote: Halo fans must be soo mad their game is no longer the premier attraction of MLG.
They are. Though to be honest, I think most of them are still just mad that Halo 2 got retired. I'm sure after the event you'll be able to go to the MLG general discussion forums and read all kinds of spitting rage about how MLG is betraying its roots because of the "flavor of the month" Starcraft and all of the "Real MLG Fans(tm)" are Halo fans. Already happened once when SC2 got dual streams at Columbus.
Also why is Black Ops in MLG? Everyone knows call of duty games take no skill, that's why they are so popular. It should be replaced with something better, or just use the prize money from that on SC2.
I've been a halo fan forever and trust me this isn't a surprise at all. It was just a matter of time to be honest, halo will always have a solid following no matter how much everyone here hates it. Just happy I love starcraft now to.
On July 27 2011 02:24 carloselcoco wrote: Extremely great news for the growth of SC2 in the foreigner scene!!! We are once again one step closer to seeing SC2 in our TV's!!! Seriously, who has not dreamed with SC2 having its own dedicated cable TV channel! :D
I really don't want to see SC2 try and go to the TV, its not the right medium for it. Online streaming is perfect for the scene, there's no need to bring SC2 to the TV.
On July 27 2011 02:33 bobzx wrote: I've been a halo fan forever and trust me this isn't a surprise at all. It was just a matter of time to be honest, halo will always have a solid following no matter how much everyone here hates it. Just happy I love starcraft now to.
Not everyone here hates it. I'm sure most people here like Halo.
On July 27 2011 02:33 bobzx wrote: I've been a halo fan forever and trust me this isn't a surprise at all. It was just a matter of time to be honest, halo will always have a solid following no matter how much everyone here hates it. Just happy I love starcraft now to.
Well for the record, many people who hate on Halo are the kind of people who just hate all esports games that they don't play. I don't know why that's the case with many people... but it just is.
Either way, I think it's a great move by MLG as it shows the sc2 community that all the support does make a difference, and maybe more Halo fans will tune in as well to support their game.
On July 27 2011 02:33 bobzx wrote: I've been a halo fan forever and trust me this isn't a surprise at all. It was just a matter of time to be honest, halo will always have a solid following no matter how much everyone here hates it. Just happy I love starcraft now to.
Not everyone here hates it. I'm sure most people here like Halo.
Yea i guess not everyone lol. Halo is what got MLG to were it is today tho now it's starcraft's turn to take it to the next level.
Halo is a fun game, but I personally don't see the appeal as an eSport. Of course, the only FPS I've really had much interest in is TF2.
Either way, great to see the SC2 scene advancing more and more. With League of Legends coming to MLG next year (I believe that's what I heard, anyways), they will have to change their logo to a mouse/keyboard, instead of a controller.
Why would they? Their main game is a Xbox game and it's a PS controller. The PS controller silhouette on a NBA/MLB style logo get's the point across well enough that's pro gaming.
I've been a Halo fan for a good few years as well and this isn't a suprise. A lot of the Halo community dissappeared after Halo Reach came out... due to it being extremely boring to watch/play and largely considered the worst in the series.
It's quite monumentous actually... Halo is what created MLG
wait i thought it was already at the center stage - o well its well deserved- halo is a really good game but the eport potential of starcraft is just so much better than halo
On July 27 2011 03:04 landmarktiger wrote: wait i thought it was already at the center stage - o well its well deserved- halo is a really good game but the eport potential of starcraft is just so much better than halo
It was only center stage after the Halo and Black Ops tournaments had finished. Halo was main stage at all previous events.
On July 27 2011 02:22 King of Kings wrote: Halo was a Mainstage Game? Halo and Call of Duty are only played by the americans, smart people don't play this casualshooters on consoles WITH A GAMEPAD oO
Intelligence is unrelated to casualness as a gamer. It is silly though to play a competitive game with a less precise interface.
On July 27 2011 02:20 setzer wrote: Halo fans must be soo mad their game is no longer the premier attraction of MLG.
i've been playing Halo since like 2003-2004. Halo sucks now. Halo: CE was a great game, and Halo 2 had a rocky start but it turned out to be a great game as well. Halo 3 and Halo Reach and everything sucks complete shit relative to the older ones and most of the "pros" now who were just practice partners for actually good people in Halo: CE and Halo 2 have been pretty vocal about how much lower the amount of skill takes. i quit Halo 3 about 5 months into it out of aggravation and started looking for "better games" that i just knew had to be out there, which eventually led me to BW and SC2. i haven't even touched Reach and given the streams i've seen, i don't want to. only good thing about Reach is the nostalgia it brings of watching people play modified versions of old and beloved maps.
it's great justice for them to lose center stage in my opinion, Bungie (and i'm rarely one to get all conspiracy theorist and shit but it's just the truth) sold out and threw gimmick after gimmick at their game until it just wasn't good at all anymore. there just hasn't been a good game with a huge fanbase like SC2 to slap it in the face like it needed to be. i feel the same way about Halo 3 and Halo: Reach as a lot of BW fans feel about Starcraft 2. it doesn't deserve mainstage because it has no real merit, the new Halo games are just riding the fame of the old ones.
On July 27 2011 02:22 King of Kings wrote: Halo was a Mainstage Game? Halo and Call of Duty are only played by the americans, smart people don't play this casualshooters on consoles WITH A GAMEPAD oO
Intelligence is unrelated to casualness as a gamer. It is silly though to play a competitive game with a less precise interface.
yea, imagine if you had to play SC2, but you could only hotkey a limited amount of units per control group, and you could only hotkey 1 building, and you had to send each worker to mine manually. who the fuck would want to play that?
I will always have respect and admiration for top level Halo players. Really Halo made eSports possible in the US for the longest time and I still find it interesting to watch those pros. Hopefully Halo can stick around on the pro circuit for a while.
The people in this thread complaining about Halo as an eSport are dumb as fuck, especially when you consider one of them said he only played Team Fortress, the most casual piece of shit game out there.
Halo was a central part of MLG for a long time through the whole series and helped MLG get where it is today, regardless of what you think about the games they were great for eSports, I don't see how you can complain about it at all.
Good for SC2.. Sucks for Halo.. but its entirely Bungies fault tbh I must have played thousands of Hours of the first 3 Halo's combined. Then Reach came out... I played it online for 2 days and couldn't have cared.. the maps.. the gameplay... awful.
My girlfriend is visiting this weekend.. so I'm not going to get to see... lets count this shall we.
1. MLG (DRG!! noo!!) 2. EVO 3. GSL Finals.
I guess I haven't seen her in 5 months, I should cut her some slack.. everytime she's not looking a stream is getting thrown up in the background however lol.
Hopefully SC2 breaks more MLG records and justifies it's spot. and how I wish E-sports fans would get along. whether you be RTS, FPS or Fighing.. just watch and enjoy them all.
Here's hoping Halo 4 is good, because Halo: Reach is terrible as a competitive game. (Been an MLG follower and player since 04,)
On July 27 2011 02:22 King of Kings wrote: Halo was a Mainstage Game? Halo and Call of Duty are only played by the americans, smart people don't play this casualshooters on consoles WITH A GAMEPAD oO
Intelligence is unrelated to casualness as a gamer. It is silly though to play a competitive game with a less precise interface.
yea, imagine if you had to play SC2, but you could only hotkey a limited amount of units per control group, and you could only hotkey 1 building, and you had to send each worker to mine manually. who the fuck would want to play that?[/QUOTE]
Ahh true true, but notice he said less precise. This is talking about mouse precision vs analog stick precision and has nothing to do with the game itself. He is simply talking about how it was silly people were using inferior control schemes which are mathematically inferior to a mouse/keyboard in every way.
Instead of comparing SC2 to SC1, its more like comparing SC2 to SC2 without the keyboard (like Losira vs Incontrol lol).
Yeah to all the people saying "fuck halo" and stuff, mlg wouldn't have starcraft without halo... halo is what made mlg big, so i think instead of being all "bout time, halo's gay" or some shit, we should thank halo for building esports this big, to the point where it could take on starcraft, and then look to sc2 as the future of growing esports
Can any of the halo guys explain what significant changes were made between halo 2 and 3/reach. Coming from a cod background i can say the drop in recoil, and addition of killstreaks and perks from cod1/2 to cod4 really ruined it competitively. Only heavy modding saved cod4.
YEAH BOY!!! Now we're making it happen. I want MLG Anaheim to kill Dreamhack and the NASL, I'm so psyched for the players, the pools, and how good the production is looking.
Keep improving this stuff MLG, really impressed by your commitment to esports and SC2 (and their fans)!
Dark times for Halo atm. If halo wants to get back, they better release another halo or simply bring back the halo games. If Korea can keep the competitive BW scene going then I don't see why the older versions of halo shouldn't remain.
However deep down I am glad SC2 is becoming the number 1 Pro game.
On July 27 2011 02:22 King of Kings wrote: Halo was a Mainstage Game? Halo and Call of Duty are only played by the americans, smart people don't play this casualshooters on consoles WITH A GAMEPAD oO
You're a troll and clearly a casual player on the console games otherwise you wouldn't be talking trash about any game. I understand the joystiq is hard to use when you have a crappy thumb and haven't played a console game your entire life. Look at the guy from WCG ultimate gamer that played CS professionally... he played against an amateur girl halo player in reach and got destroyed like 20-1. Humiliating.
Grats SC, but keep the stupid PC elitism out of it.
On July 27 2011 02:11 Slasher wrote: Special Activities Ever want to play StarCraft 2 while sitting inside a Hummer? Of course you have; who hasn’t? And now you can. The all-new Alienware Hummer will be parked right in the venue, and it will be decked out with Alienware PCs and monitors, on which you can play StarCraft 2 and a variety of other games. And to make the deal even sweeter, team Dignitas will be on hand, giving out autographs on Friday and Saturday (see the full schedule for specific times).
While putting SC2 in the highlight is good, it would be wise not to spam people with unnecessary advertising. Such as this 'Hummer' ...
Why not set a 'history of gaming' area, or a 'casual games' area ? So that you can do your part for the society and help changes the view that most people have on gamers ...
I must say that though I won't attend the MLG, I am quite disappointed.
On July 27 2011 02:22 King of Kings wrote: Halo was a Mainstage Game? Halo and Call of Duty are only played by the americans, smart people don't play this casualshooters on consoles WITH A GAMEPAD oO
Intelligence is unrelated to casualness as a gamer. It is silly though to play a competitive game with a less precise interface.
yea, imagine if you had to play SC2, but you could only hotkey a limited amount of units per control group, and you could only hotkey 1 building, and you had to send each worker to mine manually. who the fuck would want to play that?
Ahh true true, but notice he said less precise. This is talking about mouse precision vs analog stick precision and has nothing to do with the game itself. He is simply talking about how it was silly people were using inferior control schemes which are mathematically inferior to a mouse/keyboard in every way.
Instead of comparing SC2 to SC1, its more like comparing SC2 to SC2 without the keyboard (like Losira vs Incontrol lol).[/QUOTE]
what i was basically alluding to is the idea that having a better interface doesn't make a better game. it just makes it easier to manage. i rarely debate this with elitist PC gamers, it's something you would never understand if you haven't felt what it's like to play console games at a high enough level to master controller aiming and be able to compare it to mouse aiming, but it's really not much different in the end. it comes down a lot more to the individual game.
PC shooters can use maps that consoles have to use (most CS maps i've seen played remind me of "console" maps) but not the other way around, because a joystick can not be used to swing 180 degrees with quality aiming like you would need to in a game like Quake. on a console, you need maps like they have in Halo and Call of Duty where routes are somewhat predictable and your aim is already almost at the right spot, which negates the advantage of a mouse having much cleaner aiming. good map design disguises it well enough but it's something every good console player on any shooter takes advantage of.
it basically doesn't matter that, on a mouse, you have a significantly greater range of high accuracy if you're playing 80% of the maps based on prediction and timing rather than reflexes. for example, most Halo players play on small amounts of sensitivity because they are good enough to guess where you will be 95% of the time after enough practice on the map, and they just need their aim to be steady.
one of the main reasons i liked Halo: CE and Halo 2 are they overcame the incredibly low skill cap this creates by, in Halo: CE's case, having really wonky spawning (so minimal prediction), open maps, no auto aim at all, really fast move speed, and a really high skill cap general weapon. Halo 2 overcame it unintentionally with various button glitches that introduced a mechanical skill, so even if you got predicted, you could outplay your opponent. Halo 3 and Reach have none of that.
On July 27 2011 02:11 Slasher wrote: Special Activities Ever want to play StarCraft 2 while sitting inside a Hummer? Of course you have; who hasn’t? And now you can. The all-new Alienware Hummer will be parked right in the venue, and it will be decked out with Alienware PCs and monitors, on which you can play StarCraft 2 and a variety of other games. And to make the deal even sweeter, team Dignitas will be on hand, giving out autographs on Friday and Saturday (see the full schedule for specific times).
While putting SC2 in the highlight is good, it would be wise not to spam people with unnecessary advertising. Such as this 'Hummer' ...
Why not set a 'history of gaming' area, or a 'casual games' area ? So that you can do your part for the society and help changes the view that most people have on gamers ...
I must say that though I won't attend the MLG, I am quite disappointed.
Lol people will always find something to whine about.... Can't wait for MLG
<--- Called it. Really, the numbers speak for themselves, and MLG themselves of course didn't want to say which stream of the big three were responsible for 20m+ views at Columbus but everyone knew deep down inside...
On July 27 2011 02:22 King of Kings wrote: Halo was a Mainstage Game? Halo and Call of Duty are only played by the americans, smart people don't play this casualshooters on consoles WITH A GAMEPAD oO
You're a troll and clearly a casual player on the console games otherwise you wouldn't be talking trash about any game. I understand the joystiq is hard to use when you have a crappy thumb and haven't played a console game your entire life. Look at the guy from WCG ultimate gamer that played CS professionally... he played against an amateur girl halo player in reach and got destroyed like 20-1. Humiliating.
Grats SC, but keep the stupid PC elitism out of it.
You know, going from keyboard and mouse where you have full control over your actions to a gamepad WITH assisted auto-aim is gonna be difficult.
Being beat by an amateur says a lot more about the game of Halo and its auto-aim than it does about being beat by an amateur.
On July 27 2011 02:11 Slasher wrote: Special Activities Ever want to play StarCraft 2 while sitting inside a Hummer? Of course you have; who hasn’t? And now you can. The all-new Alienware Hummer will be parked right in the venue, and it will be decked out with Alienware PCs and monitors, on which you can play StarCraft 2 and a variety of other games. And to make the deal even sweeter, team Dignitas will be on hand, giving out autographs on Friday and Saturday (see the full schedule for specific times).
While putting SC2 in the highlight is good, it would be wise not to spam people with unnecessary advertising. Such as this 'Hummer' ...
Why not set a 'history of gaming' area, or a 'casual games' area ? So that you can do your part for the society and help changes the view that most people have on gamers ...
I must say that though I won't attend the MLG, I am quite disappointed.
That's cost you are in france so of course you are not going to attend mlg lol. MLG is obviously for American viewers more than the french. Pimped suvs with sc2 is hot.
Anyways I'm surprised halo isn't being pushed as hard. I guess there is more growth in sc2 and the halo golden age has passed. Sad to see it go away. Its prolly one of the last quasi DM games that has a huge following. If cod ever takes the main stage *shudder*...
On July 27 2011 03:49 L3gendary wrote: Can any of the halo guys explain what significant changes were made between halo 2 and 3/reach. Coming from a cod background i can say the drop in recoil, and addition of killstreaks and perks from cod1/2 to cod4 really ruined it competitively. Only heavy modding saved cod4.
Pretty much going from Halo 2 to Halo 3, all the glitches you could do went out the door, bxr,bxb, double shot. These were considered very hard to pull off at such a high level of play, and made the game very entertaining. Also the Halo 3 battle rifle was some what flawed because they changed the burst to a bullet spread so a fight were there was a definate 4 shot it sometimes just wouldn't work. In all honesty wasn't to much different from Halo 2 tho and didn't lose to much of the community. When Reach came out is when the community took a big loss tho. With the addition of so many new things like all the new abilities and bloom to all the weapons, alot of the community just didn't think it felt like Halo. There's still a decent following and I think there always will be but I don't know if it'll ever have that awesome period like Halo 1, 2 and 3 had.
On July 27 2011 02:33 bobzx wrote: I've been a halo fan forever and trust me this isn't a surprise at all. It was just a matter of time to be honest, halo will always have a solid following no matter how much everyone here hates it. Just happy I love starcraft now to.
Not everyone here hates it. I'm sure most people here like Halo.
I agree, I for one used to be a crazy halo fanboy. I was a starcraft player way before then but still. I still love halo, well that is until they put out reach. First halo game i did not buy.
On July 27 2011 03:49 L3gendary wrote: Can any of the halo guys explain what significant changes were made between halo 2 and 3/reach. Coming from a cod background i can say the drop in recoil, and addition of killstreaks and perks from cod1/2 to cod4 really ruined it competitively. Only heavy modding saved cod4.
Halo 1. Maps were very bland and basic.. ie no gimmicks to get in the way (AKA awesome fps maps.. except chiron.. dear god that map is only used at lan parts for invisible shotguns and other stupidness). Very little auto aim. Pistol was a 3 shot kill if wielded accuratly enough. Gameplay was slow, but deliberate. Lots of glitches, backpack reloading, double melee, quick reload. The physics engine was such that things always reacted the same. So you could learn grenade spots and perfectly land a weapon at your feet from the other side of the map. Awesome feature (altho not intended) lot of other stuff, like the 2v2 spawning system, could be learned and used to your advantage.
Halo 2. added dual wielding, nerfed the pistol to the floor.. added the battle rifle Taking 4 shots to kills someone. Glitches were removed but new ones were found, BxR BxB Double shot. Gameplay was sped up. Auto-aim added. (don't argue.. sweep sniping says it all) but then arguably the game became about teamwork rather than individual skill. Despite Karma proving time and time again to be the best 1v1'er so there had to be a skill level there too despite the naysayers. map set was good, few gimmicks added but mostly the map pool was solid.
Halo 3 added powerups you could pick up and use, and a bunch of weapons. Also most of the maps sucked.. but forge was used to create better maps.. they just looked all the same. Gameplay wasn't bad.. but was a lot slower than Halo 2. Also removed the glitches which added a skill level to the game.
Halo: Reach.. took these powerups and added them to your character.. like a CoD loadout. You could choose, speed, armour lock (argh..) Jetpack and... invis. Pretty much just ruining the core gameplay of Halo. They also changed the amount of shots needed to kill someone. (Halo 1.. 3 Halo 2/3..4 Halo: Reach...5 ) but not having the glitches that halo 2 had.. ie double shotting, BXR, BxB the skill level is incredibly low. The maps once again are terrible, but this time forge is really good for making maps.. and ironically the maps mostly used in competition are remakes of Halo 2 maps. They all just look exactly the same to the uninitiated because they can only be created using one tile set, despite how versatile it is.
Bit of a ramble sorry I can expand further if anyone wants anything further.
On July 27 2011 02:22 King of Kings wrote: Halo was a Mainstage Game? Halo and Call of Duty are only played by the americans, smart people don't play this casualshooters on consoles WITH A GAMEPAD oO
You're a troll and clearly a casual player on the console games otherwise you wouldn't be talking trash about any game. I understand the joystiq is hard to use when you have a crappy thumb and haven't played a console game your entire life. Look at the guy from WCG ultimate gamer that played CS professionally... he played against an amateur girl halo player in reach and got destroyed like 20-1. Humiliating.
Grats SC, but keep the stupid PC elitism out of it.
You know, going from keyboard and mouse where you have full control over your actions to a gamepad WITH assisted auto-aim is gonna be difficult.
Being beat by an amateur says a lot more about the game of Halo and its auto-aim than it does about being beat by an amateur.
rofl this therad is getting really off topic, i'm not gonna make another post about mouse vs. controller after this, but it's really obvious you haven't ever played with a controller seriously before. you make it sound like using a controller is akin to having an AI play the game for you. auto-aim does very little to help worse players, it's more of a burden at times if you're actually good at console shooters, and you can turn it off in 99% of games.
and it's 1 thing to say, 'an amateur can win, therefore, game is low skill.' but uhhh... he went 1-20. that's not close. clearly one person was better than another person by a massive margin.
I'm happy and all that SC2 is main center stage, which initially confused me as my first thought was "weren't they main stage b4?" but apparently there's different levels of "main." But to put it bluntly, doesn't it worry anyone that it could be "easy come easy go?" I guess that's the nature of it. I personally want SC2 to remain center for a long time unless something better actually comes out, and FPS type of games do not cut it for me.
On July 27 2011 02:11 Slasher wrote: Special Activities Ever want to play StarCraft 2 while sitting inside a Hummer? Of course you have; who hasn’t? And now you can. The all-new Alienware Hummer will be parked right in the venue, and it will be decked out with Alienware PCs and monitors, on which you can play StarCraft 2 and a variety of other games. And to make the deal even sweeter, team Dignitas will be on hand, giving out autographs on Friday and Saturday (see the full schedule for specific times).
While putting SC2 in the highlight is good, it would be wise not to spam people with unnecessary advertising. Such as this 'Hummer' ...
Why not set a 'history of gaming' area, or a 'casual games' area ? So that you can do your part for the society and help changes the view that most people have on gamers ...
I must say that though I won't attend the MLG, I am quite disappointed.
Yeah, how dare they have sponsors! The audacity of these people...
For the people saying K+M > Controller.. yes in principle.
Except I played Halo 1 PC with my Xbox 360 controller (in 2005, I played Halo 1 at LANS and on XBC prior.. didn't buy the PC version until much later) ... and got kicked from plenty of servers for "hacking" (and thoroughly destroyed a friend 15-1 on wizard despite him saying console kiddies are "noobs".) basically PC kids didn't know how to play halo. You'd see them trying to play like it was CS1.6 and I'd charge, couple grendades in and get a 3SK, and get called a cheater.
Keyboard and Mouse is better, but Halo was never designed for mouse and keyboard, and you can tell. Even with no Auto-aim at all. (Halo 1 on console didn't have that much anyway to be fair) I was able to do better against PC players consistently than I ever did playing over XBC.
On July 27 2011 02:22 King of Kings wrote: Halo was a Mainstage Game? Halo and Call of Duty are only played by the americans, smart people don't play this casualshooters on consoles WITH A GAMEPAD oO
You're a troll and clearly a casual player on the console games otherwise you wouldn't be talking trash about any game. I understand the joystiq is hard to use when you have a crappy thumb and haven't played a console game your entire life. Look at the guy from WCG ultimate gamer that played CS professionally... he played against an amateur girl halo player in reach and got destroyed like 20-1. Humiliating.
Grats SC, but keep the stupid PC elitism out of it.
You know, going from keyboard and mouse where you have full control over your actions to a gamepad WITH assisted auto-aim is gonna be difficult.
Being beat by an amateur says a lot more about the game of Halo and its auto-aim than it does about being beat by an amateur.
rofl this therad is getting really off topic, i'm not gonna make another post about mouse vs. controller after this, but it's really obvious you haven't ever played with a controller seriously before. you make it sound like using a controller is akin to having an AI play the game for you. auto-aim does very little to help worse players, it's more of a burden at times if you're actually good at console shooters, and you can turn it off in 99% of games.
and it's 1 thing to say, 'an amateur can win, therefore, game is low skill.' but uhhh... he went 1-20. that's not close. clearly one person was better than another person by a massive margin.
I own a gaming PC, a PS3, and a 360 with various shooters for all the consoles. So don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. A gamepad is limited in the options you can play a shooter when compared to a keyboard and mouse. That much is UNDEBATABLE. The skill-level on any console shooter is lower than a game like Counterstrike and Quake, because of the existence of Auto-aim.
And the previous poster who compared a WCG Countestrike player losing to someone playing on a different game is like berating Idra a Pro SC2 player for losing to someone in a game of Dawn of War.
Glad to hear SC2 continues the warpath to E sports world domination. Now MLG only needs to double the tournie winnings and things will really kick into gear.
BTW, what's with all of the Halo hate? I love that game series and all of the Lans my buddies and I hosted while playing it. Come on, even if you don't watch pro matches you gotta admit that Halo lans were ridiculously fun.
Now if we talk about the CoD series . . . Screw them. The only good game was the original and the series has slid downhill ever since. The demographic consists exclusively of homophobic racist rednecks and homophobic racist 12 year olds with their parent's credit card.
On July 27 2011 04:11 Ansinjunger wrote: I'm happy and all that SC2 is main center stage, which initially confused me as my first thought was "weren't they main stage b4?" but apparently there's different levels of "main." But to put it bluntly, doesn't it worry anyone that it could be "easy come easy go?" I guess that's the nature of it. I personally want SC2 to remain center for a long time unless something better actually comes out, and FPS type of games do not cut it for me.
Halo has been center stage for the 5 or so years i've been a part of the MLG community, and since i became a part of it when only Halo mattered, it's safe to say Halo was center stage before they even had a big enough to event to call something center stage. to say it could even remotely become "easy come easy go" is a vast underestimation of what putting SC2 center stage communicates. at worst it will trade with Halo between events if the Halo community makes enough clamor about it. i don't think SC2 will lose its spot though, it would basically have to die at this point
EPIC!!!! I remember being at Columbus and seeing how we had more people in the smaller SC2 space than they did in the Halo area. SC2 definitely deserves center stage. I can't wait to watch this live on the streams and I wish that I could be there in person.
It's clear that MLG was hesitant removing Halo from the #1 spot considering the franchise helped MLG to make it this far - but the audience numbers have been wildly in favour of SC2 for a while now.
SC2 is surely going to be the centerpiece of pretty much every multi-game/esport competition for a good while. LoL and the fighting games (SF/MvC) don't have similar numbers or media attention - maybe Dota 2 might be able to do something, but I doubt it.
Alienware Hummer? Really? Didn't they stop making hummers a while ago. SC2 on center mainstage is cool, though. However I do prefer being on the left side of a room... maybe that's just me.
On July 27 2011 04:15 DrakeFZX3 wrote: I own a gaming PC, a PS3, and a 360 with various shooters for all the consoles. So don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. A gamepad is limited in the options you can play a shooter when compared to a keyboard and mouse. That much is UNDEBATABLE. The skill-level on any console shooter is lower than a game like Counterstrike and Quake, because of the existence of Auto-aim.
I played Halo 2 on a semi-pro level. Anyone who even needs to debate this is a fucking moron. mouse+keyboard provides a much higher level of accuracy than a stick any day. Auto-aim really isn't even a factor. It hurts pro players more than it helps them because of pretty specific situations where auto-aim pulls your crosshair off of the person you're trying to hit due to another enemy being very close.
On Topic: This is pretty awesome, but was expected. After the showing we put on at Columbus it would be pretty foolish to not have SC2 on the main stage.
edit: Without auto-aim console games become really really hard to play unless you have your sensitivity down real low. Go on halo and play a game where you are all on the same team and just try to teamkill each other. Shit is hard.
On July 27 2011 04:11 Ansinjunger wrote: I'm happy and all that SC2 is main center stage, which initially confused me as my first thought was "weren't they main stage b4?" but apparently there's different levels of "main." But to put it bluntly, doesn't it worry anyone that it could be "easy come easy go?" I guess that's the nature of it. I personally want SC2 to remain center for a long time unless something better actually comes out, and FPS type of games do not cut it for me.
Halo has been center stage for the 5 or so years i've been a part of the MLG community, and since i became a part of it when only Halo mattered, it's safe to say Halo was center stage before they even had a big enough to event to call something center stage. to say it could even remotely become "easy come easy go" is a vast underestimation of what putting SC2 center stage communicates. at worst it will trade with Halo between events if the Halo community makes enough clamor about it. i don't think SC2 will lose its spot though, it would basically have to die at this point
I'm not saying Halo was short lived, but that given how quickly SC2 has taken its place, SC2 could be. Edit: could be short-lived as the MLG main event, that is.
2nd Edit: The simpler explanation is that SC2 is growing and is here to stay for a long time, but when success comes very quickly, sometimes you wonder "is this bubble going to burst?"
On July 27 2011 02:14 phant wrote: "Sorry Halo, that's just Starcraft!"
Now the big question is, when will the prize pool move past $5000?
The prize pool is bigger than that, but I get what you are saying. If they build off the momentum of the last event, this will be the only thing left to complain about with MLG.
Its not going to get much sympathy on a SC community site but ive enjoyed watching Halo on MLG for years, so for some reason this was slightly sad news for me. I also feel that Halo doesn't get enough credit and gets undeserved hate off dickhead PC elitists who know nothing about the game. This however was coming, so you can't argue with the decision. Of course i also love Starcraft, so i cant wait to watch both this weekend.
I just wish more people would either, like other games aswell or just accept that people are allowed to like other games than SC.
On July 27 2011 02:33 bobzx wrote: I've been a halo fan forever and trust me this isn't a surprise at all. It was just a matter of time to be honest, halo will always have a solid following no matter how much everyone here hates it. Just happy I love starcraft now to.
Not everyone here hates it. I'm sure most people here like Halo.
I hate Halo. But that's because I hate console FPS games.
fuck yeah! i was at columbus and i was extremely lucky to meet nick/dan/sean, i'm glad they will make it easier to meet them
also center stage finally. where starcraft deserves to be. i'm so sad i can't fly out since its so far away and expensive but i hope everyone who is going has a blast because mlgs are insanely sick. hf everyone!
I dont understand why the main title of this thread is sc2 taking center main stage when it actually reports an even more awesome thing, PLAYING SC IN A HUMMER !!! WOOOO
I see a lot of people saying that Halo fans must be mad. And I can assure you that is not the case for 90% of us. I was a huge fan of Halo 3 but Halo Reach sucks and everyone knows it. So were glad to see SC2 mainstage especially when it deserves it.
That's fantastic news! I can't help but be impressed with how much MLG is improving it's SC2 experience between events.
Can't wait. This is going to be a weekend very well spent (I.E. watching SC2 players own it up on the main stage.)
Edit (somewhat off-topic): Would anyone mind telling me why most TL members and computer gamers in general are so vehemently against Halo and other console games (as seen in this thread and countless others)? I understand the age-old debate between console and PC gamers, but I don't understand why the competition between the two is less friendly and more like "hahaha die Halo kids", especially when both are integral parts of the American E-Sports community.
What's with all the disrespect? Seriously, the whole my game vs your game crap is so old and immature. Those of you claiming Halo takes no skill, you have absolutely no clue evident by the fact you are arguing about auto aim. Aiming at the top level is probably the least important factor regarding one's skill. It sounds kind of off but it's true and you would know this if you didn't just make assumptions based on your elementary level understanding of the said topic. Just think about this, without Halo, it's competitors, and it's fans, there would be no MLG. I'll let you decide what that means for this announcement and NA Esports in general.
That's awesome. The sc2 scene is just so large with the Koreans coming over, we need the extra chairs. Cool to see the evolution from the little corner at the first MLG.
On July 27 2011 04:49 King of Kings wrote: Console-"Gamers" who play with a Gamepad are bad Casuals and shoudn't be have any tournaments.
Normally I'd call you a retard, but I actually kind of agree.
LOL my thoughts too. Console games are just doomed from the get go.
Halo 2 was amazing for competitive play it seemed pretty balanced and was for the most part fun. Halo 3 was exceptional and yet again made sense as part of mlg
Halo: reach stale gameplay and perks that completely warped the gameplay into something else along with terrible map design. I rented this game and after a couple hours came to accept the fact that exciting halo days were over. In the words of some poster on MLG general "MLG didnt pull halo off the mainstage Bungie did" I must say truer words have never been spoken. Don't even get me started on Call of Duty (more like LOL of Duty) that game is 100% for casuals.
On a high note I'm excited for Mainstage SC2... except Mr. Bitter is casting with Husky >_< couldnt we have atleast stolen painuser/catspajamas or someone else. Seriously drives me nuts when games are casted by a bunch of gold leaguing morons.
"He's making roaches here I wonder if he's going for early pressure" /facepalm
seriously I hate to belittle anyone but I can only think of a few people less qualified than mr. bitter to cast MLG. And i know hating can get old but tournament admins and managers need to know we want mr. Bitter to gtfo
This is why I love MLG. Everyone can understand why they COULD keep Halo on center stage. That's the game that made MLG what it is today. However MLG is more progressive and see's the entire picture. This is really positive that they take community feedback and act upon it.
It's great to see the more deserving game take center stage! Thank you MLG!
As awesome as this is, can we have some more respect for the other games? Halo and Black Ops fans are ESPORTS fans just as much as we are, so please... Show the world why the StarCraft community is so awesome instead of mindlessly bashing the other games!
As someone who's been competing in halo through MLG for 6 years and attending anaheim to play halo I have one thing to say. I'm so happy that SC2 is on center main stage now, it's the much more deserving and popular game at the venue. I can't wait to catch some SC in between my matches :D maybe even get a Boxer autograph.
Thanks Killerkrack, MLG wouldnt be where it was without the halo franchise either, hope it does well in the future! It's really nice to see sc2 becoming global so fast, and mlg is one of the reasons why. I mean, look how many koreans are streaming on teamliquid now!
On July 27 2011 05:24 Zedekye wrote: Just think about this, without Halo, it's competitors, and it's fans, there would be no MLG. I'll let you decide what that means for this announcement and NA Esports in general.
eSports in the NA isn't as big as it is in EU. And both are light years behind Korea. One could argue that the reason competitive eSports is far behind is due to console gaming which is dominant in NA.
On July 27 2011 06:38 Nivity wrote: Good to hear :D Think I will be buying a Silver pass for the first time ever. Hope the stream works this time (3rd times a charm, or something ;O)
On July 27 2011 06:28 Killerkrack wrote: As someone who's been competing in halo through MLG for 6 years and attending anaheim to play halo I have one thing to say. I'm so happy that SC2 is on center main stage now, it's the much more deserving and popular game at the venue. I can't wait to catch some SC in between my matches :D maybe even get a Boxer autograph.
haha i agree completely! glad ur into sc2! i enjoy watching the halo streams in the breaks and i gotta say, it's pretty darn exciting!
On July 27 2011 02:22 King of Kings wrote: Halo was a Mainstage Game? Halo and Call of Duty are only played by the americans, smart people don't play this casualshooters on consoles WITH A GAMEPAD oO
You're a troll and clearly a casual player on the console games otherwise you wouldn't be talking trash about any game. I understand the joystiq is hard to use when you have a crappy thumb and haven't played a console game your entire life. Look at the guy from WCG ultimate gamer that played CS professionally... he played against an amateur girl halo player in reach and got destroyed like 20-1. Humiliating.
Grats SC, but keep the stupid PC elitism out of it.
What we mean obviously is two players from the SAME GAME playing one with a keyboard, one with a pad. Not from different games...
Mmm can taste Halo fan tears from hear :D lol but in all seriousness this is great news! How bad would it look if we brought over Boxer and he wasn't even on the main stage? Nice move by MLG
But I'm still super pumped! Warning MLG, this makes me want to go to an event even more and more people feel this way. More chairs isn't enough. WE NEED MOAR CHAIRS!!!
Edit: Also "Build it... on center stage... and they will come!"
I think we need more JP casting this MLG, feels like we didn't see him that much at all last cast! But obviously the last event kicked so much ass who could tell. Can't wait for MLG i think you guys will shatter even more records, given how succesful the last one is and everyone wants to tune in to see how it is improved. GL Should be a great event.
It's a great game too. Don't really get why people are hating on it, maybe the most recent 2 weren't as great for pro-gaming, but still, MLG wouldn't exist without Halo.....
That said I love SC 2 way more and the viewer numbers kind of made this inevitable.
Well If im not mistaken Sundace did say that each game will get a chance at main stage this season so can we please stop making it about halo vs SC2 or PC vs Console gaming...Regardless SC2 needs the space, last event their was alot people without chairs.
On July 27 2011 03:18 Gingerninja wrote: Good for SC2.. Sucks for Halo.. but its entirely Bungies fault tbh I must have played thousands of Hours of the first 3 Halo's combined. Then Reach came out... I played it online for 2 days and couldn't have cared.. the maps.. the gameplay... awful.
My girlfriend is visiting this weekend.. so I'm not going to get to see... lets count this shall we.
1. MLG (DRG!! noo!!) 2. EVO 3. GSL Finals.
I guess I haven't seen her in 5 months, I should cut her some slack.. everytime she's not looking a stream is getting thrown up in the background however lol.
Hopefully SC2 breaks more MLG records and justifies it's spot. and how I wish E-sports fans would get along. whether you be RTS, FPS or Fighing.. just watch and enjoy them all.
Here's hoping Halo 4 is good, because Halo: Reach is terrible as a competitive game. (Been an MLG follower and player since 04,)
Can anyone tell me what's wrong about Reach? It's an honest question. I am a very casual FPS player but I had lots of fun playing Halo:Reach with my friends. Just once though.
about time! seriously though how much larger is sc2 community than the halo one? In comparison, it is safe to say that noone cares about halo, its all about sc2
On July 27 2011 03:18 Gingerninja wrote: Good for SC2.. Sucks for Halo.. but its entirely Bungies fault tbh I must have played thousands of Hours of the first 3 Halo's combined. Then Reach came out... I played it online for 2 days and couldn't have cared.. the maps.. the gameplay... awful.
My girlfriend is visiting this weekend.. so I'm not going to get to see... lets count this shall we.
1. MLG (DRG!! noo!!) 2. EVO 3. GSL Finals.
I guess I haven't seen her in 5 months, I should cut her some slack.. everytime she's not looking a stream is getting thrown up in the background however lol.
Hopefully SC2 breaks more MLG records and justifies it's spot. and how I wish E-sports fans would get along. whether you be RTS, FPS or Fighing.. just watch and enjoy them all.
Here's hoping Halo 4 is good, because Halo: Reach is terrible as a competitive game. (Been an MLG follower and player since 04,)
Can anyone tell me what's wrong about Reach? It's an honest question. I am a very casual FPS player but I had lots of fun playing Halo:Reach with my friends. Just once though.
Yeah, I always wonder about this. Everyone talks shit about Reach, but no gives reason why, I love that game.
On July 27 2011 03:18 Gingerninja wrote: Good for SC2.. Sucks for Halo.. but its entirely Bungies fault tbh I must have played thousands of Hours of the first 3 Halo's combined. Then Reach came out... I played it online for 2 days and couldn't have cared.. the maps.. the gameplay... awful.
My girlfriend is visiting this weekend.. so I'm not going to get to see... lets count this shall we.
1. MLG (DRG!! noo!!) 2. EVO 3. GSL Finals.
I guess I haven't seen her in 5 months, I should cut her some slack.. everytime she's not looking a stream is getting thrown up in the background however lol.
Hopefully SC2 breaks more MLG records and justifies it's spot. and how I wish E-sports fans would get along. whether you be RTS, FPS or Fighing.. just watch and enjoy them all.
Here's hoping Halo 4 is good, because Halo: Reach is terrible as a competitive game. (Been an MLG follower and player since 04,)
Can anyone tell me what's wrong about Reach? It's an honest question. I am a very casual FPS player but I had lots of fun playing Halo:Reach with my friends. Just once though.
Yeah, I always wonder about this. Everyone talks shit about Reach, but no gives reason why, I love that game.
They added in the bloom mechanic and the melee physics are absolute garbage. Halo 3's aiming dropped the skill ceiling about a story, the bloom made it a basement.
The halo community is different from the starcraft community in that no one actually listens to what the pros say. The most vocal people hate on the game for no reason.
Halo has been great platform for E-sport there is no denying therefore it deserve a slight appreciation from all of us SC2 fans.
That being said had halo not exist other games would simply takes it place (the game required effort and some degree of skill but not to the point that it is unique)
Props for MLG for making this possible. My only problem with it is mr Bitter + Husky combo they are quite simply said terrible casters. Husky however bring a huge casual fan base to SC2 so despite my intense hatred of him(cause largely by his ignorance of the game mechanics) I do have some respect for his rather large contribution on E-sport.
Mr bitter on the other hand seems to have a very heavy bias on zerg race and been known to rant on how other race death-ball is "unbeatable" or too "strong" for zerg (despite infestors proven that otherwise these days). I hope Mrbitter to rid of his bias and show more professionalism while casting in MLG anaheim .
in a nutshell, halo 1 and 2 were great, 3 was ok, but reach added a bunch of dumb crap nobody wanted. MLGs settings are pretty good (besides the lame maps), but the regular matchmaking system in reach is terrible because of virtually no rank system and broken armor abilities. The only genuine problem with MLGs settings is the melee system which they cant fix.
Out of the box, each halo besides CE has had a horrendous melee system, but reach is the first one they never bothered to patch. Without bleed-through damage, its impossible to tell what is going on in a melee fight, and often times the person who should have died wins.
On July 27 2011 03:18 Gingerninja wrote: Good for SC2.. Sucks for Halo.. but its entirely Bungies fault tbh I must have played thousands of Hours of the first 3 Halo's combined. Then Reach came out... I played it online for 2 days and couldn't have cared.. the maps.. the gameplay... awful.
My girlfriend is visiting this weekend.. so I'm not going to get to see... lets count this shall we.
1. MLG (DRG!! noo!!) 2. EVO 3. GSL Finals.
I guess I haven't seen her in 5 months, I should cut her some slack.. everytime she's not looking a stream is getting thrown up in the background however lol.
Hopefully SC2 breaks more MLG records and justifies it's spot. and how I wish E-sports fans would get along. whether you be RTS, FPS or Fighing.. just watch and enjoy them all.
Here's hoping Halo 4 is good, because Halo: Reach is terrible as a competitive game. (Been an MLG follower and player since 04,)
Can anyone tell me what's wrong about Reach? It's an honest question. I am a very casual FPS player but I had lots of fun playing Halo:Reach with my friends. Just once though.
Yeah, I always wonder about this. Everyone talks shit about Reach, but no gives reason why, I love that game.
Because it is different from the past titles released by Bungie and people do not like change.
The issue with Reach is everyone wanted Halo 1 back, 2 and 3 were disappointments to many in the competitive scene and everyone was hoping they learned for these mistakes and would revive the series and all they got was a Halo 3 remake with jet packs
On July 27 2011 02:24 carloselcoco wrote: Extremely great news for the growth of SC2 in the foreigner scene!!! We are once again one step closer to seeing SC2 in our TV's!!! Seriously, who has not dreamed with SC2 having its own dedicated cable TV channel! :D
I really don't want to see SC2 try and go to the TV, its not the right medium for it. Online streaming is perfect for the scene, there's no need to bring SC2 to the TV.
I think BW in korea proved that no one wants to watch video games on TV
On July 27 2011 09:58 MLGrben wrote: Who knew we would actually listen.
"BUY MY SHIRTS"?
I'm holding out for the MLG shirt that says "I play with the marines" at which point I will buy like 30 of them and then proceed to question my own sanity. It'll be awesome.
On July 27 2011 02:24 carloselcoco wrote: Extremely great news for the growth of SC2 in the foreigner scene!!! We are once again one step closer to seeing SC2 in our TV's!!! Seriously, who has not dreamed with SC2 having its own dedicated cable TV channel! :D
I really don't want to see SC2 try and go to the TV, its not the right medium for it. Online streaming is perfect for the scene, there's no need to bring SC2 to the TV.
I think BW in korea proved that no one wants to watch video games on TV
Except that that came out before the internet was so big.
The people not understanding the reach hate, a few of us long time halo players listed the differences between the games during the thread. The problem is the dev's didn't listen to the community at all. So the Pro's who are getting paid by MLG can say whatever they please. The whole community got shit upon, and now no-one plays. The people who mostly enjoy reach from what I've seen are new to the series.
Rather than balance the game / add more skill. Bungie basically said.. you know what would make Halo better!!! Jetpacks..! and there was a collective groan throughout the whole community.
The maps are awful.. like I said earlier.. the MLG maps are actually remakes of Halo 2 maps because most of the new ones are awful and completely unmemorable.
What makes a good E-Sport is a game that is balanced, simple to understand what's going on. Halo: Reach added too many unnecessary gimmicks to both the core gameplay and the maps. The game no longer plays like "Halo" it plays like Call of Quake.. team edition. which no one asked for.
I know a lot of people here probably don't play FPS or at least didn't play the earlier ones. So I'll try and make an SC analogy. People say Blizz don't listen. But at least they took Steppes and Kulas out of the map pool. Imagine playing poorly designed maps like Kulas all the time and rather than keep the gameplay principles of the SC series.. they just said lol.. lets add siege tanks that fly. cos that'd be awesome! Rather than actually giving a crap what the community wanted.
It's their game, they can do what they want, but as it's us paying and playing.. they should maybe pay attention, rather than just shit upon us with their "knowing best"
Reach killed a lot of competitive fire for MLG, and the birth of scII just made this ripe for the picking. It's going to take one hell of a good new release with Halo4 to take the mainstage back...
Even still, this is arguably the most competitive circuit/competition in North America for starcraft2, and seeing as the fanbase is much more intense, it's no surprise.
Also, you shouldn't really be biased so hard against halo, it's a really good game. It's a tough loss for halo fans, as it was the franchise to really get MLG going. The thread over at the MLG forums was mostly halo fans saying "well, it makes sense" and/or "they deserve it". But it looks like SC2 is really going to take it to the next level, so congrats!
This weekend is too stacked. EVO, MLG and GSL Finals. I guess I'll watch EVO in the morning, MLG in the late afternoon/night and then GSL Finals on the night it's on.
On July 27 2011 11:29 Fionn wrote: This weekend is too stacked. EVO, MLG and GSL Finals. I guess I'll watch EVO in the morning, MLG in the late afternoon/night and then GSL Finals on the night it's on.
SCII is such a viewer friendly sport, it has casters, commentators, tangible professionals, and is very culturally diverse. you can't really commentate a halo or COD game like you can with SCII. You feel like you know the players and the community, it has a staying power that halo and COD just cant match because the community isn't centered around new realeases, it's centered around an experience. SCII MLG's are an experience where the others are just a tournament. SCII is here to stay.
But I have just the right number of chairs at home! One.... Forever alone....
I'm currently being given the cold shoulder. My woman is pre-emptive, and she knows what "MLG Weekend" Means. It means setting the alarm for 3am. Not speaking until 1pm, and then sleeping from 6pm....
After last MLG, I don't think I could be any more excited for this MLG.
Unbelievably awesome! I wish I was attending T_T At least I got my HD pass =D R.I.P. Halo centerstage, now I can go poke fun of my Halo friends, SC2 POWER!
I really hope MLG raise their prize poll as much as Code A. The players play like 8 hours a day non stop and the amount of viewers are incredible. Raising their prize poll will make MLG more legit
On July 27 2011 13:23 Benga wrote: I really hope MLG raise their prize poll as much as Code A. The players play like 8 hours a day non stop and the amount of viewers are incredible. Raising their prize poll will make MLG more legit
On July 27 2011 13:57 BooMeyMoMo wrote: E-Sport's specifically Starcraft 2 is taking the center stage in more than Anaheim I think...This is only the beginning...
Well yeah it'll also take center stage at other MLGs and probably other computer game tournaments in which it is not currently center stage.
If you were alluding to taking center stage in terms of becoming "the main stream activity" - at least in the West - you are dreamin'
SC2 is cool but it will remain small in comparison with things like NFL, MLB, NBA, and all that. Too much money to compete against those! If you weren't referring to that at all with your cryptic post, my bad!
On July 27 2011 13:57 BooMeyMoMo wrote: E-Sport's specifically Starcraft 2 is taking the center stage in more than Anaheim I think...This is only the beginning...
Well yeah it'll also take center stage at other MLGs and probably other computer game tournaments in which it is not currently center stage.
If you were alluding to taking center stage in terms of becoming "the main stream activity" - at least in the West - you are dreamin'
SC2 is cool but it will remain small in comparison with things like NFL, MLB, NBA, and all that. Too much money to compete against those! If you weren't referring to that at all with your cryptic post, my bad!
On July 27 2011 13:57 BooMeyMoMo wrote: E-Sport's specifically Starcraft 2 is taking the center stage in more than Anaheim I think...This is only the beginning...
Well yeah it'll also take center stage at other MLGs and probably other computer game tournaments in which it is not currently center stage.
If you were alluding to taking center stage in terms of becoming "the main stream activity" - at least in the West - you are dreamin'
SC2 is cool but it will remain small in comparison with things like NFL, MLB, NBA, and all that. Too much money to compete against those! If you weren't referring to that at all with your cryptic post, my bad!
MLG is as good as it gets in NA and that's good enough for me at the moment.
On July 27 2011 13:57 BooMeyMoMo wrote: E-Sport's specifically Starcraft 2 is taking the center stage in more than Anaheim I think...This is only the beginning...
Well yeah it'll also take center stage at other MLGs and probably other computer game tournaments in which it is not currently center stage.
If you were alluding to taking center stage in terms of becoming "the main stream activity" - at least in the West - you are dreamin'
SC2 is cool but it will remain small in comparison with things like NFL, MLB, NBA, and all that. Too much money to compete against those! If you weren't referring to that at all with your cryptic post, my bad!
i dont see why it cant grow to this
It honestly wont. Ever. Gaming has a social stigma. Especially competitive gaming. Sad but true.
On July 27 2011 13:57 BooMeyMoMo wrote: E-Sport's specifically Starcraft 2 is taking the center stage in more than Anaheim I think...This is only the beginning...
Well yeah it'll also take center stage at other MLGs and probably other computer game tournaments in which it is not currently center stage.
If you were alluding to taking center stage in terms of becoming "the main stream activity" - at least in the West - you are dreamin'
SC2 is cool but it will remain small in comparison with things like NFL, MLB, NBA, and all that. Too much money to compete against those! If you weren't referring to that at all with your cryptic post, my bad!
i dont see why it cant grow to this
Too niche, still too unprofessional, not enough appeal to the masses. There's just no way that it'll get anywhere near any kind of physical sport in the near future.
On July 27 2011 13:23 Benga wrote: I really hope MLG raise their prize poll as much as Code A. The players play like 8 hours a day non stop and the amount of viewers are incredible. Raising their prize poll will make MLG more legit
MLG finals will have 50k, i think
MLG providence, which are the finals yes, have a 50k prizepool... but I believe you need to qualify for Providence - not just anyone can compete like they do at earlier MLG events. You need to earn a certain number of points by doing well enough at the events leading up to it to get an invite.
On July 27 2011 13:57 BooMeyMoMo wrote: E-Sport's specifically Starcraft 2 is taking the center stage in more than Anaheim I think...This is only the beginning...
Well yeah it'll also take center stage at other MLGs and probably other computer game tournaments in which it is not currently center stage.
If you were alluding to taking center stage in terms of becoming "the main stream activity" - at least in the West - you are dreamin'
SC2 is cool but it will remain small in comparison with things like NFL, MLB, NBA, and all that. Too much money to compete against those! If you weren't referring to that at all with your cryptic post, my bad!
i dont see why it cant grow to this
It honestly wont. Ever. Gaming has a social stigma. Especially competitive gaming. Sad but true.
So has science, flying, radio, tv, all new kinds of music, computers, cell phones and the internet. I'd say all those things are pretty mainstream now. So no, stop propagating the social stigma of gaming by placing it there yourself. We are not outsiders. We are not outcasts. We are the forefront of the newest mainstream.
On July 27 2011 13:57 BooMeyMoMo wrote: E-Sport's specifically Starcraft 2 is taking the center stage in more than Anaheim I think...This is only the beginning...
Well yeah it'll also take center stage at other MLGs and probably other computer game tournaments in which it is not currently center stage.
If you were alluding to taking center stage in terms of becoming "the main stream activity" - at least in the West - you are dreamin'
SC2 is cool but it will remain small in comparison with things like NFL, MLB, NBA, and all that. Too much money to compete against those! If you weren't referring to that at all with your cryptic post, my bad!
i dont see why it cant grow to this
Too niche, still too unprofessional, not enough appeal to the masses. There's just no way that it'll get anywhere near any kind of physical sport in the near future.
"Niche" "unprofessional" and lack of "appeal to the masses" can all be overcome with time, investment, and sustained quality of play. The thing that really keeps eSports from rising higher is that old games die so quickly compared to traditional sports as technology marches relentlessly forward and sequelitis cannibalizes the audience from past iterations of what could have become quality competitive titles. Football obviously didn't suffer because of technology advancements, and neither the NFL nor FIFA has released Football 2 yet.
These, fortunately, seem to be problems that Blizzard has considered. SC2's art style is one that will age gracefully because it does not depend on photorealism the way things like Halo and CoD do. 5 or 10 years from now, they're still going to look just fine, and the average home computer will probably then be able to handle ultra graphics too. It's the same way the first Toy Story still looks fine today while the action movies of the 90's that depend on special effects can frequently just look hokey and awful compared to today's more realistic movies. Similarly, something like Call of Duty or Avatar will probably look bad 10 years from now when CG technology gets even closer to being indistinguishable from live action.
As for sequelitis, Blizzard has already laid out their plan to release expansion packs for the existing game rather than sequels so that the game will have time to grow. It remains to be seen just how much gets changed in these expansion packs, because they very well could change the game so much that they might as well be sequels, but I doubt that they will. The base mechanics will almost definitely remain the same, along with the UI and the general viewer experience overall. Basically I believe Blizzard wants this game to have a long competitive lifespan to grow as Brood War has.
"I dont see how ppl find watching sc2 exciting at all, i would rather fist my dog than watch one full match of sc2" -MarcMac0
Eh. You found the worst post in that entire thread. There were a couple haters, but most seemed pretty reasonable, recognizing that SC2 was the one with the most crowds. A few want the Halo fans to cheer louder so that MLG will consider putting Halo back on mainstage, but I can see if it's your favourite game, you'd want it back. Most seem pretty resigned that Reach ruined Halo thus killing the crowds while SC2 is booming.
Just for anyone who wants to read through, it's mainly people arguing about or not SC2 deserves the space, congratulating SC2 on getting it, expressing disappointment that Halo lost the spot etc.
Also has a lot of qq about how SC2 has GSL/dreamhack and doesn't need MLG while Halo NEEDs MLg to survive.
Regardless though, I hope that centre stage has more room than the other stages since SC2 is by far the larger game.
On July 27 2011 02:11 Kamuy wrote: HEYO!!! Good news for sc2, bad news for halo :D:D
The last two games were bad news for the competitive halo community, so I doubt anyone giving a shit about halo will mind if the way more popular game takes over. But yeah this is a pretty big point for MLG, given that since they introduced mainstages in 06 no game besides halo had one until this year and halo has always been the main focus of these events.
I'm really happy for SC 2 and everyone going there (more chairs!), I'm really pumped to stay up all night to watch this, I just hope the times are not too redicilous given that it's a West Cost Event.
The first time SC2 was at mlg SC2 only had a super small spot on the floor and most was tucked away in a corner. I think there were maybe 50 people in the crowd including me. It was pretty damn epic in Columbus compared to what it use to be.
"Starcraft 2 will take Center Main Stage" Damn right, Im sick of all these shooters with their 15 year old fan bases clogging up competitive gaming. lets face it, how much skill does black ops really take? I am a fan of Halo though, but it is still no where near as competitive as SC2.
On July 27 2011 02:32 SLTR.Maverick wrote: Also why is Black Ops in MLG? Everyone knows call of duty games take no skill, that's why they are so popular. It should be replaced with something better, or just use the prize money from that on SC2.
But prize money is not proportionnal to the amount of skills required. It is proportionnal to the amount of viewers, and I'm sure that you know that but I guess that you had a trolling urge
On July 27 2011 02:32 SLTR.Maverick wrote: Also why is Black Ops in MLG? Everyone knows call of duty games take no skill, that's why they are so popular. It should be replaced with something better, or just use the prize money from that on SC2.
But prize money is not proportionnal to the amount of skills required. It is proportionnal to the amount of viewers, and I'm sure that you know that but I guess that you had a trolling urge
black ops brought in the least viewers while sc2 brought in the most. so sc2 wins out in all categories
On July 27 2011 02:32 SLTR.Maverick wrote: Also why is Black Ops in MLG? Everyone knows call of duty games take no skill, that's why they are so popular. It should be replaced with something better, or just use the prize money from that on SC2.
But prize money is not proportionnal to the amount of skills required. It is proportionnal to the amount of viewers, and I'm sure that you know that but I guess that you had a trolling urge
Black ops is there because it's being backed by Sony.
I feel a little bad. Halo is MLG's flagship game, and really expanded esports into a big market in NA. I never wanted to rain on that parade, and this is bound to breed bad blood between the two fanbases :/
On July 28 2011 00:10 Authweight wrote: I feel a little bad. Halo is MLG's flagship game, and really expanded esports into a big market in NA. I never wanted to rain on that parade, and this is bound to breed bad blood between the two fanbases :/
Why ? Starcraft 2 is just a bigger game. Its just logical that the biggest game gets to have the biggest stage. Should 300 Halo spectators have a room thats big enough for 3000, while the 3000 starcraft spectators sit in a cramped spacing ?
But just because I'm curious, anyone read on any Halo related boards regarding this ?
On July 28 2011 00:10 Authweight wrote: I feel a little bad. Halo is MLG's flagship game, and really expanded esports into a big market in NA. I never wanted to rain on that parade, and this is bound to breed bad blood between the two fanbases :/
Why ? Starcraft 2 is just a bigger game. Its just logical that the biggest game gets to have the biggest stage. Should 300 Halo spectators have a room thats big enough for 3000, while the 3000 starcraft spectators sit in a cramped spacing ?
But just because I'm curious, anyone read on any Halo related boards regarding this ?
Sc2 is clearly the bigger game, but when I was at MLG columbus, its not like there was nobody there at the halo section. They were out of chairs too, and I think they had more chairs than we did. Both are pretty big titles, I feel like we should both have all the space we need. And the whole "who's in the middle" thing is just a silly pissing contest. They should put blops in the middle just so the two huge crowds have some space in between them
This is so awesome! Absolutely great news for the growth of SC2 and a really awesome move by MLG. It's really clear that they are willing to push a lot for SC2, and I know I appreciate it haha. Sadly this time I wont be able to see as many of the games as at Columbus because of work, but I'm gonna try to get as many in as possible.
I was actually really happy that when I went over to the MLG forum, saw the Halo guys were "Well, it deserves that spot". Obviously the few people of "MLG Started with Halo, this is disrespectful" nonsense showed, but not much. Then I guess some PC guys go on "IT TAKES MORE SKILL TO PLAY PC GAMES"...that just bothered me. The thread was moving along so well, now it's turned into a garbage thread.
In the end, I can't wait for this weekend..gonna be niiiice.
Most Halo fans saw this coming, and have no issue with it. Rather than bash Halo, understand that it created MLG, and while some other SC2 league would have popped up by now, appreciate what Halo has done for SC in NA. The prize pool will undoubtedly be going up next season, probably to something around 20k for first place and 100k for the finals.
Another thing to note about MLG halo players, most of us play SC BECAUSE of MLG. I know that I personally wouldn't play it or follow it at all if it hadn't been picked up by MLG. In this sense, Halo has directly increased the SC following.
Also, as far as individual skill is concerned, SC blows away Halo, but don't underestimate the skill of, or the teamwork required to play Halo at a competitive level.
I am really happy for SC2. I am really happy for the players who get to show off on the centre stage. I am really happy for the fans who get more space.
And to be quite honest, kudos to large parts of the Halo community. Know that while this thread might not reflect it, we know that the SC2 fans that now get to see our game take the centre stage have a lot to thank Halo for. Without Halo, there is every reason to believe that we would not be seeing HuK v NaniWa v DRG, BoxeR v IdrA and all the awesomeness that looks to be coming up.
I feel sad and commiserate with the Halo community. It is hard for a player and fanbase to go through what they have been going through.
So I will say this. Let us be happy for Starcraft. Let us be sad for Halo. Let us be excited for MLG Anaheim.
This is really nice news for us. We should be able to enjoy that without pissing on others. And we should realise that one of the things that Starcraft has is a fanbase that is super energetic, super excited and super positive at just about every event I have seen. I just wish that we could retain that positivity when it comes to announcements such as this.
There is no reason to talk smack about other games, especially when they are hurting. For everyone's sake, it would be better for Halo to be as popular with the live crowd and with stream watchers as Starcraft. And whereas I do not personally have much interest in viewing the Halo games, I do wish them all the success in the world. <3
On July 27 2011 02:32 SLTR.Maverick wrote: Also why is Black Ops in MLG? Everyone knows call of duty games take no skill, that's why they are so popular. It should be replaced with something better, or just use the prize money from that on SC2.
But prize money is not proportionnal to the amount of skills required. It is proportionnal to the amount of viewers, and I'm sure that you know that but I guess that you had a trolling urge
Call of Duty used to take skill* cod1 and 2 were great games competitively and skill based, cod4 is still competitive but it isn't as good.
Oh man it's hilarious. Look at the Halo fans get mad. Don't get me wrong. Both games are great, but Halo cannot even touch Starcraft when it comes to game dynamics.
Hell yeah but thing is so many good players coming just for 5000$ makes me kinda sad..It's in order to promote i get it but still c'mon mlg! step your prize pool a bit higher. How many thousands if not millions do you make by spamming the stream with ads every minute, i would be happy to see the ads if you gave some of the money to the players. But i do understand you need to pay for new equipment since SC is growing too big and money is require to make the event run smooth and keep the audience happy. Either way please do your best mlg glhf i will be watching ^^
On July 28 2011 06:03 sad312 wrote: Hell yeah but thing is so many good players coming just for 5000$ makes me kinda sad..It's in order to promote i get it but still c'mon mlg! step your prize pool a bit higher. How many thousands if not millions do you make by spamming the stream with ads every minute, i would be happy to see the ads if you gave some of the money to the players. But i do understand you need to pay for new equipment since SC is growing too big and money is require to make the event run smooth and keep the audience happy. Either way please do your best mlg glhf i will be watching ^^
You need to remember, sc2 blew up even more, especially the size at MLG since just MLG Columbus. I wouldn't expect a raise in prize pool or change in format until next season.
Oh man it's hilarious. Look at the Halo fans get mad. Don't get me wrong. Both games are great, but Halo cannot even touch Starcraft when it comes to game dynamics.
Yeah, look at the complete minority of Halo fans get mad. And then look at how supportive the remainder are.
Oh man it's hilarious. Look at the Halo fans get mad. Don't get me wrong. Both games are great, but Halo cannot even touch Starcraft when it comes to game dynamics.
Yeah, look at the complete minority of Halo fans get mad. And then look at how supportive the remainder are.
So true. It makes me sad to see some SC2 fans being obnoxious towards the Halo community as well. But I guess it is much easier to respond to the vocal minority that is flaming and delve down to the lowest common denominator.
If you want SC2 to be a big thing in MLG, hoping that Halo also does well is sensible.
Oh man it's hilarious. Look at the Halo fans get mad. Don't get me wrong. Both games are great, but Halo cannot even touch Starcraft when it comes to game dynamics.
Yeah, look at the complete minority of Halo fans get mad. And then look at how supportive the remainder are.
Exactly. I was surprised and impressed with how maturely most of them took the news, especially considering the implications it has for the longevity of their game.
Oh man it's hilarious. Look at the Halo fans get mad. Don't get me wrong. Both games are great, but Halo cannot even touch Starcraft when it comes to game dynamics.
Erm what? I saw about three people say that Halo should be centre stage because it brought MLG to where it is now. That is less people than were complaining about reach being a shitty game. The only Halo name I recognized (Bravo) agreed with the decision.
On July 28 2011 17:39 userstupidname wrote: Halo players taking it totally fine
SC2 players look like the assholes in this one
Hm? Where did you see the opinion of Halo players? Also FPS games are far more BM than SC2.. I see my friend playing black ops on playstation once in a while, and there's always some russian 12 year old screaming his lunges out about god knows what.. Fuck that.
Oh man it's hilarious. Look at the Halo fans get mad. Don't get me wrong. Both games are great, but Halo cannot even touch Starcraft when it comes to game dynamics.
Everyone is agreeing that SC2 on the mainstage is the best choice.
On July 27 2011 03:19 jslocum wrote: Yeah to all the people saying "fuck halo" and stuff, mlg wouldn't have starcraft without halo... halo is what made mlg big, so i think instead of being all "bout time, halo's gay" or some shit, we should thank halo for building esports this big, to the point where it could take on starcraft, and then look to sc2 as the future of growing esports
Very well said. I've played in some MLG events for Halo 2 and one for Halo 3 and had an absolute blast. Reach is an all around fail of a game because they changed their format so much with the bloom and what not. I got into SC2 back in January and I'm glad to see it do so well, but let's not forget what allowed this to happen and that is the Halo franchise.
Can't wait :D. Not a huge fan of Husky, Yeah He's great on his channel but on stage I really don't care too much for him . Guessing It's going to be Dj Wheat & Day[9] and Husky & MrBitter. Think I'd prefer Day[9] & MrBitter but what can you do.
Oh man it's hilarious. Look at the Halo fans get mad. Don't get me wrong. Both games are great, but Halo cannot even touch Starcraft when it comes to game dynamics.
Maybe 3 or 5 ppl get mad in that thread, the rest agrees. And then we got the assholes bragging about it and asking for a flamewar. I was expecting more from a community who is supposed to be so mannered.
Wow the SC2 players seem horrible in that thread. Lets not brag so much, SC2 isn't center stage because its a better game, its there because its more popular. Eventually some other game will be more popular than SC2...
Just give you guys a little insight on why this entire thing happened. There's actually more than just one reason that SC2 is in the middle for this event. I personally am a fan of Esports in general so I'm not really biased here. But I have followed MLG for quite a while(since 05-06, somewhere around there).
The west coast is notorious for not having good turnouts. This has been proven time and time again. The west coast just isn't interested in MLG. The only reason that MLG is going to Anaheim(again) is because of Starcraft 2. If SC2 wasn't on the circuit, Anaheim or any west coast location for that matter wouldn't even be considered. There's more money to be made on the east coast and in the midwest.
Add to the fact that SC2 is a global game(as Halo is more of a national one), it's pretty much common sense to have SC2 in the middle because Halo does not need that much space for a west coast event. However, when the Raleigh event comes around the corner, MLG is going to have a tougher decision to make. Halo always has great turnouts on the east coast, especially in a place like Raleigh(same could be said for SC2). SC2 might not be able to have enough room on one of the side stages, but there won't be enough room for Halo either.
I wouldn't be surprised if they switched it up every event(obviously CoD wouldn't be considered for the middle because the community is incredibly smaller than both Halo and SC2). Anyway, just kind of wanted to fill you guys in on that. Great to see SC2 get the middle stage though(I only got into Starcraft like in 08 or so, I'm a relative newcomer). About time it gets some major love.
Had a blast at MLG, but was really surprised just how dead CoD/Halo were. I'm talking about, if you combined the CoD/Halo crowd, and then multiplied that number by 10, the SC2 crowd still absolutely KILLED it.
Here's a pic of the CoD section I took with my cell, right after one of the games finished. Halo section was just as dead the entire time, it never filled up.
Compared to what we saw on the stream in SC2, and know that's just the center stage, there were other games going on with other crowds in other places...
On August 01 2011 13:57 FabledIntegral wrote: Had a blast at MLG, but was really surprised just how dead CoD/Halo were. I'm talking about, if you combined the CoD/Halo crowd, and then multiplied that number by 10, the SC2 crowd still absolutely KILLED it.
Here's a pic of the CoD section I took with my cell, right after one of the games finished. Halo section was just as dead the entire time, it never filled up.
Compared to what we saw on the stream in SC2, and know that's just the center stage, there were other games going on with other crowds in other places...
I remember looking at the stream, and even in downtime the SC2 section was full of people, with some people always on the floor. Truly amazing to see so many people so enthusiastic for SC2! :D
I think the best part was how the CoD feed was showing the sc2 crowd instead of the actual (almost empty) crowd watching CoD (at least this is from what I saw while standing between the SC2 and CoD areas)
On August 01 2011 15:38 blabber wrote: I think the best part was how the CoD feed was showing the sc2 crowd instead of the actual (almost empty) crowd watching CoD (at least this is from what I saw while standing between the SC2 and CoD areas)
On August 01 2011 15:38 blabber wrote: I think the best part was how the CoD feed was showing the sc2 crowd instead of the actual (almost empty) crowd watching CoD (at least this is from what I saw while standing between the SC2 and CoD areas)
Lol when Halo ended they switched their screens to SC2 and the crowd cheered. but then they were still doing the award ceremony for Halo (with sc2 behind them)...so they turned off the sc2 stream and people started to boo.
On August 02 2011 13:19 rabitslayer wrote: SC2 will become the dominant e sport at MLG most likely
it already has. unless LoL surpasses it. Does LoL have fans that are actually willing to travel to watch? or will it be like WoW where no one really travels to spectate and everyone just watches online
but yea, they should take CoD off MLG, waste of space and money. maybe MW3 will spark it again. Hopefully they put more into SC2 though, can't wait for the next MLG event. ANyone one else think that the columbus crowd was alot craziest/louder than Anaheim? I think what Konyak posted is quite true with the results at Anaheim. those FPS games will probably have a better showing at Raleigh
On August 02 2011 23:03 Northern_iight wrote: LoL is going to die once Dota 2 comes out.
but yea, they should take CoD off MLG, waste of space and money. maybe MW3 will spark it again. Hopefully they put more into SC2 though, can't wait for the next MLG event. ANyone one else think that the columbus crowd was alot craziest/louder than Anaheim? I think what Konyak posted is quite true with the results at Anaheim. those FPS games will probably have a better showing at Raleigh
They won't take COD out, SONY is backing COD and putting up the prize money for it.
Take out COD and Sony sponsorships/partnerships might go with it.
On August 02 2011 23:03 Northern_iight wrote: LoL is going to die once Dota 2 comes out.
but yea, they should take CoD off MLG, waste of space and money. maybe MW3 will spark it again. Hopefully they put more into SC2 though, can't wait for the next MLG event. ANyone one else think that the columbus crowd was alot craziest/louder than Anaheim? I think what Konyak posted is quite true with the results at Anaheim. those FPS games will probably have a better showing at Raleigh
They won't take COD out, SONY is backing COD and putting up the prize money for it.
Take out COD and Sony sponsorships/partnerships might go with it.
Unfortunately true. I think COD is taking up space that could be spent on a much better game. Heck, even using one of the Modern Warfare games would be better than BlOps.
On July 27 2011 03:18 Gingerninja wrote: Good for SC2.. Sucks for Halo.. but its entirely Bungies fault tbh I must have played thousands of Hours of the first 3 Halo's combined. Then Reach came out... I played it online for 2 days and couldn't have cared.. the maps.. the gameplay... awful.
My girlfriend is visiting this weekend.. so I'm not going to get to see... lets count this shall we.
1. MLG (DRG!! noo!!) 2. EVO 3. GSL Finals.
I guess I haven't seen her in 5 months, I should cut her some slack.. everytime she's not looking a stream is getting thrown up in the background however lol.
Hopefully SC2 breaks more MLG records and justifies it's spot. and how I wish E-sports fans would get along. whether you be RTS, FPS or Fighing.. just watch and enjoy them all.
Here's hoping Halo 4 is good, because Halo: Reach is terrible as a competitive game. (Been an MLG follower and player since 04,)
Can anyone tell me what's wrong about Reach? It's an honest question. I am a very casual FPS player but I had lots of fun playing Halo:Reach with my friends. Just once though.
As an old school Halo player, yeah I have a lot against it. As a Starcraft player? No, I'm fine with it. I still follow a lot of the pros and there are some really great people involved.
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