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namste
Finland2292 Posts
On July 22 2011 18:35 FinnGamer wrote: Really cool player Line Up, I can't tell at all who will be advancing. Demuslim fighting! I can tell you that it's not Demuslim at least :p | ||
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COLT217
Germany70 Posts
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Lt.Roosevelt
Sweden84 Posts
Select and TLO was so bad at MLG Columbus it hurts my head to even think about it. Compare that to Thorzain who went out against MC in an extended series, where he was down 2-0 from the day before where he had played how many more games compared to MC (For the record, I understand the concept of extended series, but this is a prime example of where it fails hard)? Going down to MC 4-2 made him 2-2 for the day where fatigue wasn't an issue for either of them. For me a player who can at least compete and give MC a run for his money (not to mention finish 9th overall from OB) deserves a spot in pool play a lot more than someone like TLO who went something like 1-4 and finished 28th (coming from pool play) in the last MLG? There are a few of those imo, but this was one of the best examples of a messed up ranking system concerning pool play / open brackets imo. EDIT: If Thorzain hasn't been given a spot because he declined to go I apologize for using this example and humbly admit I just made an ass out of myself, even though like I said I do think there are other examples. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:01 Lt.Roosevelt wrote: I think the ranking system is a bit messed up tbh. I mean when you see LiquidTLO and Sjow in pool play and have players like Thorzain, several Koreans etc have to go through open bracket if they want to play in the MLG I just sigh. I understand the koreans I suppose since maybe they haven't participated in previous MLGs, but Thorzain? Select and TLO was so bad at MLG Columbus it hurts my head to even think about it. Compare that to Thorzain who went out against MC in an extended series, where he was down 2-0 from the day before where he had played how many more games compared to MC (For the record, I understand the concept of extended series, but this is a prime example of where it fails hard)? Going down to MC 4-2 made him 2-2 for the day where fatigue wasn't an issue for either of them. For me a player who can at least compete and give MC a run for his money (not to mention finish 9th overall from OB) deserves a spot in pool play a lot more than someone like TLO who went something like 1-4 and finished 28th (coming from pool play) in the last MLG? There are a few of those imo, but this was one of the best examples of a messed up ranking system concerning pool play / open brackets imo. You need to see Pool Play as a thank you from MLG towards the players who came every tournament and performed decently. Enough players have lost Pool Play because poor results, nothing wrong with the system. TLO was 5th in Dallas, ThorZain 9th in Columbus and didn't even participate in Dallas. Please get your facts straight, rules can't be biased for your pleasure. Others have to take the long road to glory from the open bracket. Nothing wrong with that. | ||
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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
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SiDX
New Zealand1975 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:15 Arcanefrost wrote: Open bracket is like the western code a qualifier Well put. | ||
MLG_Adam
United States994 Posts
Very excited about 2012. Keep supporting us, we're doing our best to improve every season, and every event. | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On July 22 2011 18:55 ShiroUtsuRi wrote: wow fenix is not a member of fnaticMSI? He still is as far as I'm aware, but the names on the MLG signups can differ from your in-game ID, and kind of stay with you from when you first sign up, which is why Huk is still called GosuHuk. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:18 MLG_Adam wrote: Hey everyone! 2011 season format was great when we started out the year, but I don't think anyone here anticipated the rampant growth of SC2. One of the main issues, and it is a high class problem, is how deep the competition pool is and that for the first time in our league's history we are operating a truly global title. We've learned some valuable lessons this year and look forward to implementing them for next year. Look for more direct ways to make it into pools between events next year, more global avenues to pools, and more activity overall. On the prize money: we hear you. Very excited about 2012. Keep supporting us, we're doing our best to improve every season, and every event. Couldn't subscribe for longer than 14 months. Glad to see you guys are on it. The community should understand that it is impossible to change the rules for this Pro Circuit, I just hope that the finals, as a 50.000$ event, has the best players. | ||
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Lt.Roosevelt
Sweden84 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:12 Koshi wrote: You need to see Pool Play as a thank you from MLG towards the players who came every tournament and performed decently. Enough players have lost Pool Play because poor results, nothing wrong with the system. TLO was 5th in Dallas, ThorZain 9th in Columbus and didn't even participate in Dallas. Please get your facts straight, rules can't be biased for your pleasure. Others have to take the long road to glory from the open bracket. Nothing wrong with that. Please get my facts straight? I didn't suggest Thorzain was in Dallas and I didn't say TLO did bad in Dallas either so there are no facts to get straight. TLO got 5th in Dallas and for that he got pool play in Columbus fair and square. However getting a spot in pool play in Anaheim even though he did suuuuuper bad in the last MLG because he has played at MLG for a long time is EXACTLY the kind of system I think is stupid. Have you ever seen that in sports in general? "Yeah my team is crap right now and was last season too, but we have been playing in the highest series for so long that it is okay. We won't get downgraded to a lower series even though there are other teams that should have our spot because even though they had to go through worse conditions and did really well last season they don't deserve it as much as our team does. It isn't about who is the best team now, it is about who has played for the longest in this series!" The rules shouldn't be biased at all, and certainly not for my pleasure, no matter who the player is it is stupid to have someone who did as bad as TLO get into pool play because he did well in MLG Dallas. It wasn't the most recent one and so who cares? I think you are the one who is biased if anything. Personally I want the best players there, not the players who were good 3 MLGs ago. Now I know TLO has been injured and it has hurt his gameplay and I am sure he will get back into it, so I hope he does great at MLG Anaheim and proves that he deserves that spot because he sure hasn't earned it as of late which others actually have. | ||
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Savern101
United Kingdom859 Posts
On July 22 2011 18:38 namste wrote: I can tell you that it's not Demuslim at least :p i wouldn't count on it. His only weakness was TvZ and he's improved that dramatically. He's easily one of the favourite westerners to make it through the open bracket. | ||
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Nerdslayer
Denmark1130 Posts
You need pool plays but the problem is when you got lesser player losing 0-5 and is still keept in pool play. Its unfair to the open bracket players and unfair to the viewers that wanna see good matches. Also koreans gets free invites to the pool plays I like that but why dont you get free invites to 4 NA and EU players aswell? Make the championship pool brackets bigger etc. we actually got more koreans players then EU players atm and that is strange. But the EU players got no incentive to actually goto MLG becuase of the low price pool and open bracket, that lats face it dont got a good reputation organisation wise. Worst thing that can happend to MLG if the koreans totally dominate MLG lik 1-12. And it might happend if you dont get the very best of the western scene to come to MLG and compete. | ||
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:18 MLG_Adam wrote: Hey everyone! 2011 season format was great when we started out the year, but I don't think anyone here anticipated the rampant growth of SC2. One of the main issues, and it is a high class problem, is how deep the competition pool is and that for the first time in our league's history we are operating a truly global title. We've learned some valuable lessons this year and look forward to implementing them for next year. Look for more direct ways to make it into pools between events next year, more global avenues to pools, and more activity overall. On the prize money: we hear you. Very excited about 2012. Keep supporting us, we're doing our best to improve every season, and every event. Only one thing to say: I CAN'T WAIT FOR NEXT YEAR! You don't have to be sorry, you did a great job of turning a terrible experience (dallas) into the best american tournament, by far ( and as a spectator I would say the best foreign tournament.) | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:26 Lt.Roosevelt wrote: Please get my facts straight? I didn't suggest Thorzain was in Dallas and I didn't say TLO did bad in Dallas either so there are no facts to get straight. TLO got 5th in Dallas and for that he got pool play in Columbus fair and square. However getting a spot in pool play in Anaheim even though he did suuuuuper bad in the last MLG because he has played at MLG for a long time is EXACTLY the kind of system I think is stupid. Have you ever seen that in sports in general? "Yeah my team is crap right now and was last season too, but we have been playing in the highest series for so long that it is okay, we won't get downgraded to a lower series even though there are other teams that even though they had to go through worse conditions did really well last season" The rules shouldn't be biased at all, and certainly not for my pleasure, no matter who the player is it is stupid to have someone who did as bad as TLO get into pool play because he did well in MLG Dallas. It wasn't the most recent one and so who cares? I think you are the one who is biased if anything. Personally I want the best players there, not the players who were good 3 MLGs ago. Now I know TLO has been injured and it has hurt his gameplay and I am sure he will get back into it, so I hope he does great at MLG Anaheim and proves that he deserves that spot because he sure hasn't earned it as of late which others actually have. I apologize for the wrong usage of the "get your facts straight". What I meant was, there is no reason why ThorZain deserves pool play over TLO. Many sports have the same rating system as MLG has: golf, tennis, darts. Your seed is based on previous tournaments over 1 year. Don't forget there is a -soft- reset at the end of this MLG Pro Tour. You also seem to think that every separate MLG is a different season compared to soccer leagues and the NBA. You should see 1 MLG as 1/5 of a season not as a whole season. | ||
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Lt.Roosevelt
Sweden84 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:18 MLG_Adam wrote: Hey everyone! 2011 season format was great when we started out the year, but I don't think anyone here anticipated the rampant growth of SC2. One of the main issues, and it is a high class problem, is how deep the competition pool is and that for the first time in our league's history we are operating a truly global title. We've learned some valuable lessons this year and look forward to implementing them for next year. Look for more direct ways to make it into pools between events next year, more global avenues to pools, and more activity overall. On the prize money: we hear you. Very excited about 2012. Keep supporting us, we're doing our best to improve every season, and every event. Awesome to hear! MLG is great and I am sure with the effort you guys put in it will only get better and better. | ||
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Lt.Roosevelt
Sweden84 Posts
I apologize for the wrong usage of the "get your facts straight". What I meant was, there is no reason why ThorZain deserves pool play over TLO. Many sports have the same rating system as MLG has: golf, tennis, darts. Your seed is based on previous tournaments over 1 year. Don't forget there is a -soft- reset at the end of this MLG Pro Tour. You also seem to think that every separate MLG is a different season compared to soccer leagues and the NBA. You should see 1 MLG as 1/5 of a season not as a whole season. [/QUOTE] I actually didn't know that it was seen as a 1/5 season. However the way I see it in golf/tennis etc all tournaments count towards the ranking, which I highly doubt is the case here and that is a problem imo. If that is the system they use then MLG tournaments should be like Majors/Grand slams or something, but also have smaller/other tournaments count towards the rankings and affect the seeds. Thanks for letting me know how it works, explains a lot lol. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
On July 22 2011 06:33 quRax wrote: Is HD a good player ? Or is it just for fun ? he did participate already a few mlg's ago but sadly got bashed out in round 1 winners and round 1 losers  | ||
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Jonas :)
United States511 Posts
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:18 MLG_Adam wrote: Hey everyone! 2011 season format was great when we started out the year, but I don't think anyone here anticipated the rampant growth of SC2. One of the main issues, and it is a high class problem, is how deep the competition pool is and that for the first time in our league's history we are operating a truly global title. We've learned some valuable lessons this year and look forward to implementing them for next year. Look for more direct ways to make it into pools between events next year, more global avenues to pools, and more activity overall. On the prize money: we hear you. Very excited about 2012. Keep supporting us, we're doing our best to improve every season, and every event. Good to hear your already thinking of changing it, Open this month is nearly more stacked then the actual pool play is!!! Wonder what changes will actually change, like only top 8 can get auto invites? | ||
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dapierow
Serbia1316 Posts
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