Sweet, OGN is broadcasting SC2 Prelims for the WCG starting September
On July 19 2011 21:14 Milkis wrote: Augh.
Chances are Gom allowed WCG, for good reasons, broadcasting rights to the SC2 games. Since OGN broadcasts WCG in Korea, this is why OGN is broadcasting SC2. I tweeted about it since it wasn't stated on one of the articles I read despite other WCG games being stated to do so. Then I read a TIG article that stated it
You guys are reading FARRRRR too much into this. This is just a part of WCG. OGN can't do anything other than that since GOM has exclusive rights to broadcasting SC2 for 2 more years.
Is this the start of Sc2 contents on OGN or just because they have had WCG broadcast rights for years ?
On July 19 2011 17:13 qwazar wrote: I thought Gretech (i.e. GOM) has all rights to SC2 broadcasting in Korea. Either I am mistaken or something has changed.
probably sub licensed it to OGN
THIS IS THE BIGGEST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN TO SC2 IN KOREA THE WORLD!
On July 19 2011 17:13 qwazar wrote: I thought Gretech (i.e. GOM) has all rights to SC2 broadcasting in Korea. Either I am mistaken or something has changed.
They would have to get Samsung's approval, though. And OGN is infinitely more capable of providing good coverage.
Wow this is huge, clearly sc2 is getting more popular in SK and OGN see's the market. This is awesome XD wish i lived in SK >< things seem to be on the up and up for sc2 over there right now.
I think that it may just be the WCG thing. The alternative would probably have been no SC2 in Korea, so GOM may be trying to reach a new audience through the BW watchers.
I wonder how the qualification process is going to work. If they let anyone play then the WCG Korea prelims might be the toughest SC2 competition to ever take place.
On July 19 2011 17:44 3xiLe wrote: I love the OGN/MBC casters (unfortunately, imo the MBC ones are better) and I prefer BW to SC2, but what I don't understand is how will they cast the games when they don't know much about them - They're BW casters, not SC2 casters? Meh, nitpicky much . But for all those saying "it must be wcg", I do think it is a likely possibility, but I do not doubt the fact it may be Kespas Alliance with Blizzard.
You sc2 players are still in for a treat though, with OGN casters :D
It'll be interesting how all-out they go. If they hire Tastosis, for instance, it means OGN cares about the foreign SC2 scene, implying they're thinking about doing more SC2 stuff (though not hiring Tastosis doesn't mean the opposite, of course).
On July 19 2011 17:44 3xiLe wrote: I love the OGN/MBC casters (unfortunately, imo the MBC ones are better) and I prefer BW to SC2, but what I don't understand is how will they cast the games when they don't know much about them - They're BW casters, not SC2 casters? Meh, nitpicky much . But for all those saying "it must be wcg", I do think it is a likely possibility, but I do not doubt the fact it may be Kespas Alliance with Blizzard.
You sc2 players are still in for a treat though, with OGN casters :D
It'll be interesting how all-out they go. If they hire Tastosis, for instance, it means OGN cares about the foreign SC2 scene, implying they're thinking about doing more SC2 stuff (though not hiring Tastosis doesn't mean the opposite, of course).
if the Korean TV channels cared about foreign audience they would have had something for BW too. So I highly doubt that we will get any english commentary from OGN. It's more likely that they view the restreamers as product pirates
none the less I am happy that SC2 gets some TV time in Korea
On July 19 2011 17:44 3xiLe wrote: I love the OGN/MBC casters (unfortunately, imo the MBC ones are better) and I prefer BW to SC2, but what I don't understand is how will they cast the games when they don't know much about them - They're BW casters, not SC2 casters? Meh, nitpicky much . But for all those saying "it must be wcg", I do think it is a likely possibility, but I do not doubt the fact it may be Kespas Alliance with Blizzard.
You sc2 players are still in for a treat though, with OGN casters :D
It'll be interesting how all-out they go. If they hire Tastosis, for instance, it means OGN cares about the foreign SC2 scene, implying they're thinking about doing more SC2 stuff (though not hiring Tastosis doesn't mean the opposite, of course).
if the Korean TV channels cared about foreign audience they would have had something for BW too. So I highly doubt that we will get any english commentary from OGN. It's more likely that they view the restreamers as product pirates
none the less I am happy that SC2 gets some TV time in Korea
BW is Dead outside of Korea. and was "Dead" before SCII came out. it was just not worth it for them to do something outside of korea with BW. well mb in china but thats the only one.
OGN had the right to broadcast WCG for YEARS. This is probably what is going to happen: OGN has korean casting for the fans in Korea. WCG itself will hire English casters (tastosis, for example) for their online stream.
On July 19 2011 18:31 jpak wrote: OGN had the right to broadcast WCG for YEARS. This is probably what is going to happen: OGN has korean casting for the fans in Korea. WCG itself will hire English casters (tastosis, for example) for their online stream.
Wait so does this mean that SC2 will be on Korean television? If that's so this will be major maybe we'll attract some decent A team players from BW to 2 with this.
Pretty sure it has 90% to do with it being WCG and not because "it's getting more popular" or anything like that. But of course no details were available in any of the articles which is why it was just a one line tweet and not a thread.... I'm surprised that one line from my twitter is considered threadworthy now given how much details i provided lol
On July 19 2011 17:13 qwazar wrote: I thought Gretech (i.e. GOM) has all rights to SC2 broadcasting in Korea. Either I am mistaken or something has changed.
On July 19 2011 17:35 dartoo wrote: But but, do they have english commentary? All the english bw casts that I've watched are done by the guys who restream.
You haven't experienced true SC/SC2 until you've watched a re-stream with Korean commentators screaming excitedly in a language you can't understand.
This is definitely just the WCG-OGN deal that's been in place for pretty much forever. Honestly, I wouldn't even bank on English casters, since the main target for this will be the Koreans (it's only WCG Korea qualifiers). Still, cool. But yeah, I'd say 99.9% chance we won't see Tastosis.
We will see how much it matters for SC2 in Korea in the end if OGN/MBC start broadcasting SC2, but im just very excited and looking forward to this. Maybe it will add some of the old broodwar flavor to watch sc2 with korean commentary!
On July 19 2011 20:30 marcesr wrote: We will see how much it matters for SC2 in Korea in the end if OGN/MBC start broadcasting SC2, but im just very excited and looking forward to this. Maybe it will add some of the old broodwar flavor to watch sc2 with korean commentary!
That means SC2 will be on television, because as you might (not) know, GomTV is actually not a television ^_^
On July 19 2011 17:21 Executor1 wrote: Wow this is huge, clearly sc2 is getting more popular in SK and OGN see's the market. This is awesome XD wish i lived in SK >< things seem to be on the up and up for sc2 over there right now.
Not really, SC2 isnt doing too hot in korea as evidenced by PC bang popularity rankings, grassroots gaming activity, the streaming community and event attendance. Its more about trying to cash in on whatever they can with their existing wcg contract.
Chances are Gom allowed WCG, for good reasons, broadcasting rights to the SC2 games. Since OGN broadcasts WCG in Korea, this is why OGN is broadcasting SC2. I tweeted about it since it wasn't stated on one of the articles I read despite other WCG games being stated to do so. Then I read a TIG article that stated it
You guys are reading FARRRRR too much into this. This is just a part of WCG. OGN can't do anything other than that since GOM has exclusive rights to broadcasting SC2 for 2 more years.
Chances are Gom allowed WCG, for good reasons, broadcasting rights to the SC2 games. Since OGN broadcasts WCG in Korea, this is why OGN is broadcasting SC2. I tweeted about it since it wasn't stated on one of the articles I read despite other WCG games being stated to do so. Then I read a TIG article that stated it
You guys are reading FARRRRR too much into this. This is just a part of WCG. OGN can't do anything other than that since GOM has exclusive rights to broadcasting SC2 for 2 more years.
nonetheless it is gonna be good measure of SC2 popularity in SK for OGN
Chances are Gom allowed WCG, for good reasons, broadcasting rights to the SC2 games. Since OGN broadcasts WCG in Korea, this is why OGN is broadcasting SC2. I tweeted about it since it wasn't stated on one of the articles I read despite other WCG games being stated to do so. Then I read a TIG article that stated it
You guys are reading FARRRRR too much into this. This is just a part of WCG. OGN can't do anything other than that since GOM has exclusive rights to broadcasting SC2 for 2 more years.
nonetheless it is gonna be good measure of SC2 popularity in SK for OGN
I'm pretty sure there are already pretty good measures of SC2 popularity in SK... it's not that popular =/
Chances are Gom allowed WCG, for good reasons, broadcasting rights to the SC2 games. Since OGN broadcasts WCG in Korea, this is why OGN is broadcasting SC2. I tweeted about it since it wasn't stated on one of the articles I read despite other WCG games being stated to do so. Then I read a TIG article that stated it
You guys are reading FARRRRR too much into this. This is just a part of WCG. OGN can't do anything other than that since GOM has exclusive rights to broadcasting SC2 for 2 more years.
nonetheless it is gonna be good measure of SC2 popularity in SK for OGN
I'm pretty sure there are already pretty good measures of SC2 popularity in SK... it's not that popular =/
Blame MMORPGs
i know, im not optimistic, at least they will have real numbers
Chances are Gom allowed WCG, for good reasons, broadcasting rights to the SC2 games. Since OGN broadcasts WCG in Korea, this is why OGN is broadcasting SC2. I tweeted about it since it wasn't stated on one of the articles I read despite other WCG games being stated to do so. Then I read a TIG article that stated it
You guys are reading FARRRRR too much into this. This is just a part of WCG. OGN can't do anything other than that since GOM has exclusive rights to broadcasting SC2 for 2 more years.
nonetheless it is gonna be good measure of SC2 popularity in SK for OGN
I'm pretty sure there are already pretty good measures of SC2 popularity in SK... it's not that popular =/
Blame MMORPGs
i know, im not optimistic, at least they will have real numbers
I think the PC bang numbers, and GOM viewer statistics are a more accurate gauge.
That said because its on TV there is a good chance that people who don't watch SC2 will be watching it anyway, so maybe they can attract some new fans, although that raises the question over whether OGN will want to work particularly hard on this.
Its in their interest for SC2 to fail, or at least not take off until they can broadcast it.
Chances are Gom allowed WCG, for good reasons, broadcasting rights to the SC2 games. Since OGN broadcasts WCG in Korea, this is why OGN is broadcasting SC2. I tweeted about it since it wasn't stated on one of the articles I read despite other WCG games being stated to do so. Then I read a TIG article that stated it
You guys are reading FARRRRR too much into this. This is just a part of WCG. OGN can't do anything other than that since GOM has exclusive rights to broadcasting SC2 for 2 more years.
nonetheless it is gonna be good measure of SC2 popularity in SK for OGN
I'm pretty sure there are already pretty good measures of SC2 popularity in SK... it's not that popular =/
Blame MMORPGs
i know, im not optimistic, at least they will have real numbers
I think the PC bang numbers, and GOM viewer statistics are a more accurate gauge.
That said because its on TV there is a good chance that people who don't watch SC2 will be watching it anyway, so maybe they can attract some new fans, although that raises the question over whether OGN will want to work particularly hard on this.
Its in their interest for SC2 to fail, or at least not take off until they can broadcast it.
Why would it be in their interest for SC2 to fail?
I don't know why people give such polarizing opinions when it comes to bw/sc2 stuff but seriously it needs to stop especially if you're just making things up ~_~
On July 19 2011 17:21 Executor1 wrote: Wow this is huge, clearly sc2 is getting more popular in SK and OGN see's the market. This is awesome XD wish i lived in SK >< things seem to be on the up and up for sc2 over there right now.
Are you suggesting the rest of the world is not showing a huge growth?
The tv stations MBC and OGN have invested a lot in their BW tournament capital. A lot of that capital would lose its value given consumer preference shift to other games. Hence their interest to maintain its popularity.
On July 19 2011 21:43 xarthaz wrote: The tv stations MBC and OGN have invested a lot in their BW tournament capital. A lot of that capital would lose its value given consumer preference shift to other games. Hence their interest to maintain its popularity.
So what are their BW tournament capital other than commentators. Except commentators often cast other stuff too quite often.
Chances are Gom allowed WCG, for good reasons, broadcasting rights to the SC2 games. Since OGN broadcasts WCG in Korea, this is why OGN is broadcasting SC2. I tweeted about it since it wasn't stated on one of the articles I read despite other WCG games being stated to do so. Then I read a TIG article that stated it
You guys are reading FARRRRR too much into this. This is just a part of WCG. OGN can't do anything other than that since GOM has exclusive rights to broadcasting SC2 for 2 more years.
nonetheless it is gonna be good measure of SC2 popularity in SK for OGN
I'm pretty sure there are already pretty good measures of SC2 popularity in SK... it's not that popular =/
Blame MMORPGs
i know, im not optimistic, at least they will have real numbers
I think the PC bang numbers, and GOM viewer statistics are a more accurate gauge.
That said because its on TV there is a good chance that people who don't watch SC2 will be watching it anyway, so maybe they can attract some new fans, although that raises the question over whether OGN will want to work particularly hard on this.
Its in their interest for SC2 to fail, or at least not take off until they can broadcast it.
Why would it be in their interest for SC2 to fail?
I don't know why people give such polarizing opinions when it comes to bw/sc2 stuff but seriously it needs to stop especially if you're just making things up ~_~
I'm not making things up, I'm just speculating.
I would say that SC:BW is in competition with SC2. Not for everyone, but there will be viewers without the time to watch both, and OGN want those viewers.
OGN don't make much, if any money out of SC2, and they make money out of SC:BW, so I don't think they stand to gain much, currently, if SC2 has success, and they have the potential to lose out if people decided to start watching SC2 instead of BW.
That said, this is all speculation, I don't expect them to sabotage it, but I won't be surprised if we don't see a big fancy production.
Chances are Gom allowed WCG, for good reasons, broadcasting rights to the SC2 games. Since OGN broadcasts WCG in Korea, this is why OGN is broadcasting SC2. I tweeted about it since it wasn't stated on one of the articles I read despite other WCG games being stated to do so. Then I read a TIG article that stated it
You guys are reading FARRRRR too much into this. This is just a part of WCG. OGN can't do anything other than that since GOM has exclusive rights to broadcasting SC2 for 2 more years.
nonetheless it is gonna be good measure of SC2 popularity in SK for OGN
I'm pretty sure there are already pretty good measures of SC2 popularity in SK... it's not that popular =/
Blame MMORPGs
i know, im not optimistic, at least they will have real numbers
I think the PC bang numbers, and GOM viewer statistics are a more accurate gauge.
That said because its on TV there is a good chance that people who don't watch SC2 will be watching it anyway, so maybe they can attract some new fans, although that raises the question over whether OGN will want to work particularly hard on this.
Its in their interest for SC2 to fail, or at least not take off until they can broadcast it.
Why would it be in their interest for SC2 to fail?
I don't know why people give such polarizing opinions when it comes to bw/sc2 stuff but seriously it needs to stop especially if you're just making things up ~_~
I'm not making things up, I'm just speculating.
I would say that SC:BW is in competition with SC2. Not for everyone, but there will be viewers without the time to watch both, and OGN want those viewers.
OGN don't make much, if any money out of SC2, and they make money out of SC:BW, so I don't think they stand to gain much, currently, if SC2 has success, and they have the potential to lose out if people decided to start watching SC2 instead of BW.
That said, this is all speculation, I don't expect them to sabotage it, but I won't be surprised if we don't see a big fancy production.
They dont' do a big fancy production for WCG BW, why would you expect anything special from WCG SC2?
BW is far from being in competition with SC2 -- SC2 popularity is a joke in Korea. OGN is still one of the highest ranked cable channels from BW alone.
Chances are Gom allowed WCG, for good reasons, broadcasting rights to the SC2 games. Since OGN broadcasts WCG in Korea, this is why OGN is broadcasting SC2. I tweeted about it since it wasn't stated on one of the articles I read despite other WCG games being stated to do so. Then I read a TIG article that stated it
You guys are reading FARRRRR too much into this. This is just a part of WCG. OGN can't do anything other than that since GOM has exclusive rights to broadcasting SC2 for 2 more years.
nonetheless it is gonna be good measure of SC2 popularity in SK for OGN
I'm pretty sure there are already pretty good measures of SC2 popularity in SK... it's not that popular =/
Blame MMORPGs
i know, im not optimistic, at least they will have real numbers
I think the PC bang numbers, and GOM viewer statistics are a more accurate gauge.
That said because its on TV there is a good chance that people who don't watch SC2 will be watching it anyway, so maybe they can attract some new fans, although that raises the question over whether OGN will want to work particularly hard on this.
Its in their interest for SC2 to fail, or at least not take off until they can broadcast it.
Why would it be in their interest for SC2 to fail?
I don't know why people give such polarizing opinions when it comes to bw/sc2 stuff but seriously it needs to stop especially if you're just making things up ~_~
I'm not making things up, I'm just speculating.
I would say that SC:BW is in competition with SC2. Not for everyone, but there will be viewers without the time to watch both, and OGN want those viewers.
OGN don't make much, if any money out of SC2, and they make money out of SC:BW, so I don't think they stand to gain much, currently, if SC2 has success, and they have the potential to lose out if people decided to start watching SC2 instead of BW.
That said, this is all speculation, I don't expect them to sabotage it, but I won't be surprised if we don't see a big fancy production.
They dont' do a big fancy production for WCG BW, why would you expect anything special from WCG SC2?
BW is far from being in competition with SC2 -- SC2 popularity is a joke in Korea. OGN is still one of the highest ranked cable channels from BW alone.
All I'm saying is that they don't want to lose viewers. And I feel that SC2 gaining popularity is potentially a way for them to lose viewers for BW.
Chances are Gom allowed WCG, for good reasons, broadcasting rights to the SC2 games. Since OGN broadcasts WCG in Korea, this is why OGN is broadcasting SC2. I tweeted about it since it wasn't stated on one of the articles I read despite other WCG games being stated to do so. Then I read a TIG article that stated it
You guys are reading FARRRRR too much into this. This is just a part of WCG. OGN can't do anything other than that since GOM has exclusive rights to broadcasting SC2 for 2 more years.
nonetheless it is gonna be good measure of SC2 popularity in SK for OGN
I'm pretty sure there are already pretty good measures of SC2 popularity in SK... it's not that popular =/
Blame MMORPGs
i know, im not optimistic, at least they will have real numbers
I think the PC bang numbers, and GOM viewer statistics are a more accurate gauge.
That said because its on TV there is a good chance that people who don't watch SC2 will be watching it anyway, so maybe they can attract some new fans, although that raises the question over whether OGN will want to work particularly hard on this.
Its in their interest for SC2 to fail, or at least not take off until they can broadcast it.
Why would it be in their interest for SC2 to fail?
I don't know why people give such polarizing opinions when it comes to bw/sc2 stuff but seriously it needs to stop especially if you're just making things up ~_~
I'm not making things up, I'm just speculating.
I would say that SC:BW is in competition with SC2. Not for everyone, but there will be viewers without the time to watch both, and OGN want those viewers.
OGN don't make much, if any money out of SC2, and they make money out of SC:BW, so I don't think they stand to gain much, currently, if SC2 has success, and they have the potential to lose out if people decided to start watching SC2 instead of BW.
That said, this is all speculation, I don't expect them to sabotage it, but I won't be surprised if we don't see a big fancy production.
They dont' do a big fancy production for WCG BW, why would you expect anything special from WCG SC2?
BW is far from being in competition with SC2 -- SC2 popularity is a joke in Korea. OGN is still one of the highest ranked cable channels from BW alone.
All I'm saying is that they don't want to lose viewers. And I feel that SC2 gaining popularity is potentially a way for them to lose viewers for BW.
Trust me at this point everyone wants SC2 to get more popular
On July 19 2011 21:43 xarthaz wrote: The tv stations MBC and OGN have invested a lot in their BW tournament capital. A lot of that capital would lose its value given consumer preference shift to other games. Hence their interest to maintain its popularity.
So what are their BW tournament capital other than commentators. Except commentators often cast other stuff too quite often.
So, what's so BW specific?
Please stop making speculations
broadcasting setup accomodated to bw(software, capturing, overlays, gfx, database engine with bw accomodated backend), props, artistic content and advertisement brand creation, logistics and established business relations with suppliers, renting. And so on.
SC2 popularity would be higher if you didnt have to pay for an account in order to play, quite easy. PC bangs only needed to have BW installed and running on lan for kids to go play it, it's not the same case with SC2 yet. When that comes, maybe it will get AS popular. Right now it's only for those willing to spend the money.
On July 19 2011 22:10 Usagi wrote: SC2 popularity would be higher if you didnt have to pay for an account in order to play, quite easy. PC bangs only needed to have BW installed and running on lan for kids to go play it, it's not the same case with SC2 yet. When that comes, maybe it will get AS popular. Right now it's only for those willing to spend the money.
yay, now let's hope sc2 gets some much needed attention from the koreans i'm tired of seeing amazing games then they cut to the crowd and it's like 10 white guys and some korean chick :/
Chances are Gom allowed WCG, for good reasons, broadcasting rights to the SC2 games. Since OGN broadcasts WCG in Korea, this is why OGN is broadcasting SC2. I tweeted about it since it wasn't stated on one of the articles I read despite other WCG games being stated to do so. Then I read a TIG article that stated it
You guys are reading FARRRRR too much into this. This is just a part of WCG. OGN can't do anything other than that since GOM has exclusive rights to broadcasting SC2 for 2 more years.
nonetheless it is gonna be good measure of SC2 popularity in SK for OGN
I'm pretty sure there are already pretty good measures of SC2 popularity in SK... it's not that popular =/
Blame MMORPGs
i know, im not optimistic, at least they will have real numbers
I think the PC bang numbers, and GOM viewer statistics are a more accurate gauge.
That said because its on TV there is a good chance that people who don't watch SC2 will be watching it anyway, so maybe they can attract some new fans, although that raises the question over whether OGN will want to work particularly hard on this.
Its in their interest for SC2 to fail, or at least not take off until they can broadcast it.
Why would it be in their interest for SC2 to fail?
I don't know why people give such polarizing opinions when it comes to bw/sc2 stuff but seriously it needs to stop especially if you're just making things up ~_~
I'm not making things up, I'm just speculating.
I would say that SC:BW is in competition with SC2. Not for everyone, but there will be viewers without the time to watch both, and OGN want those viewers.
OGN don't make much, if any money out of SC2, and they make money out of SC:BW, so I don't think they stand to gain much, currently, if SC2 has success, and they have the potential to lose out if people decided to start watching SC2 instead of BW.
That said, this is all speculation, I don't expect them to sabotage it, but I won't be surprised if we don't see a big fancy production.
They dont' do a big fancy production for WCG BW, why would you expect anything special from WCG SC2?
BW is far from being in competition with SC2 -- SC2 popularity is a joke in Korea. OGN is still one of the highest ranked cable channels from BW alone.
All I'm saying is that they don't want to lose viewers. And I feel that SC2 gaining popularity is potentially a way for them to lose viewers for BW.
Trust me at this point everyone wants SC2 to get more popular
Even you have to admit, that this is in part, due to BW being dropped from WCG.
On July 19 2011 22:10 Usagi wrote: SC2 popularity would be higher if you didnt have to pay for an account in order to play, quite easy. PC bangs only needed to have BW installed and running on lan for kids to go play it, it's not the same case with SC2 yet. When that comes, maybe it will get AS popular. Right now it's only for those willing to spend the money.
SC2 was free in Korea for like 3 months
didnt get that much more popular
i dont understand it so if you were Korean you can get the game free if you ordered it in this 3 months period, or you can play 3 months free. Because if you get a 3 months trial it doesnt mean everyone will understand the game and will like it. Especially in korea because the TV is a big deal. So if starcraft 2 was free from the begining (just like League of Legends) now we can count duoble or triple more gamer imo. But not in kor cuz if they cant see on the tv its means its not an esport. So the free things doesnt really matters in kor, if the TV dont broadcast it.
to the post: I think its a great news, and the first step to make sc2 big in korea even if it wont be first. Im sure about it wont get thousands of kors to sc but in long way it will help.
On July 19 2011 21:23 bgx wrote: [quote] nonetheless it is gonna be good measure of SC2 popularity in SK for OGN
I'm pretty sure there are already pretty good measures of SC2 popularity in SK... it's not that popular =/
Blame MMORPGs
i know, im not optimistic, at least they will have real numbers
I think the PC bang numbers, and GOM viewer statistics are a more accurate gauge.
That said because its on TV there is a good chance that people who don't watch SC2 will be watching it anyway, so maybe they can attract some new fans, although that raises the question over whether OGN will want to work particularly hard on this.
Its in their interest for SC2 to fail, or at least not take off until they can broadcast it.
Why would it be in their interest for SC2 to fail?
I don't know why people give such polarizing opinions when it comes to bw/sc2 stuff but seriously it needs to stop especially if you're just making things up ~_~
I'm not making things up, I'm just speculating.
I would say that SC:BW is in competition with SC2. Not for everyone, but there will be viewers without the time to watch both, and OGN want those viewers.
OGN don't make much, if any money out of SC2, and they make money out of SC:BW, so I don't think they stand to gain much, currently, if SC2 has success, and they have the potential to lose out if people decided to start watching SC2 instead of BW.
That said, this is all speculation, I don't expect them to sabotage it, but I won't be surprised if we don't see a big fancy production.
They dont' do a big fancy production for WCG BW, why would you expect anything special from WCG SC2?
BW is far from being in competition with SC2 -- SC2 popularity is a joke in Korea. OGN is still one of the highest ranked cable channels from BW alone.
All I'm saying is that they don't want to lose viewers. And I feel that SC2 gaining popularity is potentially a way for them to lose viewers for BW.
Trust me at this point everyone wants SC2 to get more popular
Even you have to admit, that this is in part, due to BW being dropped from WCG.
...no? Why would that affect things in anyway? WCG is just an event match where Koreans go and destroy everyone, it doesnt mean anything for future of BW.
On July 19 2011 22:10 Usagi wrote: SC2 popularity would be higher if you didnt have to pay for an account in order to play, quite easy. PC bangs only needed to have BW installed and running on lan for kids to go play it, it's not the same case with SC2 yet. When that comes, maybe it will get AS popular. Right now it's only for those willing to spend the money.
SC2 was free in Korea for like 3 months
didnt get that much more popular
i dont understand it so if you were Korean you can get the game free if you ordered it in this 3 months period, or you can play 3 months free. Because if you get a 3 months trial it doesnt mean everyone will understand the game and will like it. Especially in korea because the TV is a big deal. So if starcraft 2 was free from the begining (just like League of Legends) now we can count duoble or triple more gamer imo. But not in kor cuz if they cant see on the tv its means its not an esport. So the free things doesnt really matters in kor, if the TV dont broadcast it.
to the post: I think its a great news, and the first step to make sc2 big in korea even if it wont be first. Im sure about it wont get thousands of kors to sc but in long way it will help.
sorry for my english.
Basically when SC2 came out in Korea, they put the game up for "Open Beta" (it wasn't a beta, really, cause the game had been released at that point) for a long time. During that time any korean can sign up for bnet accounts and play SC2 for free. They ended that period but yeah, it didn't really help sc2 take off or anything.
Not sure if they still have the promotion if you pay for WoW you have access to Sc2 battlenet still, but yeah. Blizzard ran a lot of promotions in Korea to try and get it popular.
On July 19 2011 22:10 Usagi wrote: SC2 popularity would be higher if you didnt have to pay for an account in order to play, quite easy. PC bangs only needed to have BW installed and running on lan for kids to go play it, it's not the same case with SC2 yet. When that comes, maybe it will get AS popular. Right now it's only for those willing to spend the money.
Well technically the PC bangs can register their own copies of the games and just login their users who want to play the games. They wouldn't even need to pay some funky commercial license. I used to go to a internet cafe (run by koreans mind you) and they would do that for a some games. That's what a lot of them did for BW where they would buy a lot of CD keys. BW cdkeys are just dirt cheap right now, so if your users don't ask for SC2 you might not be inclined to buy some for your business. It's unpopular for a lot of other reasons.
I'm just wondering how hard the next contract session is going to hit...
But I wonder what OGN actually broadcasts the whole day. They have proleague and now starleague again but how can they be high ranked among tv channels if they just have these two events? What do they broadcast the rest of the day?
On July 20 2011 00:00 marcesr wrote: But I wonder what OGN actually broadcasts the whole day. They have proleague and now starleague again but how can they be high ranked among tv channels if they just have these two events? What do they broadcast the rest of the day?
They run all sorts of random gaming related programs. Ever see those commercials that are like...the casters answering random questions and stuff?
I remember watching OGN one night and the streamer left the TV channel going cause they went to bed and we were watching all these guys try to do various "challenges" in games. Like a guy being Super Mario 3, every level, without losing a life, speedruns of bubble bobble, that kind of thing.
I enjoyed what I saw of the OGN channel when SC wasn't the thing being broadcast.
On July 20 2011 00:00 marcesr wrote: But I wonder what OGN actually broadcasts the whole day. They have proleague and now starleague again but how can they be high ranked among tv channels if they just have these two events? What do they broadcast the rest of the day?
They run all sorts of random gaming related programs. Ever see those commercials that are like...the casters answering random questions and stuff?
I remember watching OGN one night and the streamer left the TV channel going cause they went to bed and we were watching all these guys try to do various "challenges" in games. Like a guy being Super Mario 3, every level, without losing a life, speedruns of bubble bobble, that kind of thing.
I enjoyed what I saw of the OGN channel when SC wasn't the thing being broadcast.
That sounds awesome, why can't we have anything like that anywhere else?
Oh wow that's good news, hopefully it'll help sc2 get a bit more popularity in Korea Now all we need are good players and a good bracket so that people can really grasp sc2's potential.
On July 20 2011 02:05 Patat0r wrote: HUGE announcement !
I really hope this is the start of the transition ! You have no idea how I want to see Flash play SC2 !
Why would Flash move to SC2 because it gained popularity.
You realize he makes a lot of money on his salary alone. Add on his tournament winnings. Sure, he could swap to SC2 because it's "more popular" but he'll lose his really good paycheck.
Swapping to SC2 from BW right now is like swapping to a job that pays a ton less, when you're in love with your current high paying job. Why would you do it? - in Flash's case, at least.
The other BW pros that migrated over are doing well, and they are making more by prize money than salaried on their other teams (possibly. They weren't winning shit in BW tournaments in any case). It makes no sense for Flash, but it could make sense for like...Juni or Perfectman or something.
WAIT: Are the OGN casters actually gonna be casting SC2?!?? That would be so awesome, I love them (even though I can't understand a word they're saying)!!!
On July 20 2011 02:05 Patat0r wrote: HUGE announcement !
I really hope this is the start of the transition ! You have no idea how I want to see Flash play SC2 !
Why would Flash move to SC2 because it gained popularity.
You realize he makes a lot of money on his salary alone. Add on his tournament winnings. Sure, he could swap to SC2 because it's "more popular" but he'll lose his really good paycheck.
Swapping to SC2 from BW right now is like swapping to a job that pays a ton less, when you're in love with your current high paying job. Why would you do it? - in Flash's case, at least.
The other BW pros that migrated over are doing well, and they are making more by prize money than salaried on their other teams (possibly. They weren't winning shit in BW tournaments in any case). It makes no sense for Flash, but it could make sense for like...Juni or Perfectman or something.
I think he's talking less about the players making a switch on an individual basis, like MC, and more like the infrastructure making a switch. Of course its just speculation, but I would imagine that players with contracts now would have to be bought out of them, if the BW scene transferred to SC2.
On July 20 2011 02:05 Patat0r wrote: HUGE announcement !
I really hope this is the start of the transition ! You have no idea how I want to see Flash play SC2 !
You make BW players hate SC2 and SC2 players.
Correct. I don't enjoy SC2 very much at all, but I don't want to see it or its players fail.
Why can't people just like what they like, dislike what they dislike, but let both of them succeed? SC2 players don't need BW players to swap or the BW scene to collapse in order for SC2 to be VERY successful. BW players don't need SC2 to disappear or fail for BW to continue to succeed.
On July 20 2011 02:05 Patat0r wrote: HUGE announcement !
I really hope this is the start of the transition ! You have no idea how I want to see Flash play SC2 !
Why would Flash move to SC2 because it gained popularity.
You realize he makes a lot of money on his salary alone. Add on his tournament winnings. Sure, he could swap to SC2 because it's "more popular" but he'll lose his really good paycheck.
Swapping to SC2 from BW right now is like swapping to a job that pays a ton less, when you're in love with your current high paying job. Why would you do it? - in Flash's case, at least.
The other BW pros that migrated over are doing well, and they are making more by prize money than salaried on their other teams (possibly. They weren't winning shit in BW tournaments in any case). It makes no sense for Flash, but it could make sense for like...Juni or Perfectman or something.
I think he's talking less about the players making a switch on an individual basis, like MC, and more like the infrastructure making a switch. Of course its just speculation, but I would imagine that players with contracts now would have to be bought out of them, if the BW scene transferred to SC2.
Yes, but I don't think he's talking the way you are.
You make sense with what you say. However most people are like FLASH MOVE TO SC2 LOLOL and expect him to drop a 30k Salary (or whatever it is) to play a game that's not on salary pay. Except TSL but it's not close to what Flash is making, I imagine.
Anyways, let's not turn it into another SC2 vs BW thread. If people want to debate it or talk about it, PM me. I'm bored in class today. Here isn't the place, unless we want to start a ban trap :p
I was under the impression OGN has the rights to broadcast WCG from the brood war days, so I don't think it's a huge deal. They might have wiggled themselves into an exception for SC2 broadcast, or they just paid Blizzard for the event.
OGN broadcasting sc2 should be considered a big deal. It shows that sc2 has potential to make it in korea.
Right now BW is like american football and SC2 is like real football. Koreans love BW, but are iffy about SC2 whereas the rest of the world is on fire for SC2. It's only a matter of time before it takes off. Also, SC2 still has a few expansions in the works. It can only grow over the next few years.
On July 20 2011 02:05 Patat0r wrote: HUGE announcement !
I really hope this is the start of the transition ! You have no idea how I want to see Flash play SC2 !
You make BW players hate SC2 and SC2 players.
Correct. I don't enjoy SC2 very much at all, but I don't want to see it or its players fail.
Why can't people just like what they like, dislike what they dislike, but let both of them succeed? SC2 players don't need BW players to swap or the BW scene to collapse in order for SC2 to be VERY successful. BW players don't need SC2 to disappear or fail for BW to continue to succeed.
On July 20 2011 02:05 Patat0r wrote: HUGE announcement !
I really hope this is the start of the transition ! You have no idea how I want to see Flash play SC2 !
Why would Flash move to SC2 because it gained popularity.
You realize he makes a lot of money on his salary alone. Add on his tournament winnings. Sure, he could swap to SC2 because it's "more popular" but he'll lose his really good paycheck.
Swapping to SC2 from BW right now is like swapping to a job that pays a ton less, when you're in love with your current high paying job. Why would you do it? - in Flash's case, at least.
The other BW pros that migrated over are doing well, and they are making more by prize money than salaried on their other teams (possibly. They weren't winning shit in BW tournaments in any case). It makes no sense for Flash, but it could make sense for like...Juni or Perfectman or something.
I think he's talking less about the players making a switch on an individual basis, like MC, and more like the infrastructure making a switch. Of course its just speculation, but I would imagine that players with contracts now would have to be bought out of them, if the BW scene transferred to SC2.
Yes, but I don't think he's talking the way you are.
You make sense with what you say. However most people are like FLASH MOVE TO SC2 LOLOL and expect him to drop a 30k Salary (or whatever it is) to play a game that's not on salary pay. Except TSL but it's not close to what Flash is making, I imagine.
Anyways, let's not turn it into another SC2 vs BW thread. If people want to debate it or talk about it, PM me. I'm bored in class today. Here isn't the place, unless we want to start a ban trap :p
I was under the impression OGN has the rights to broadcast WCG from the brood war days, so I don't think it's a huge deal. They might have wiggled themselves into an exception for SC2 broadcast, or they just paid Blizzard for the event.
Nooooo sir, not 30K salary. Much more than that. Think around 200K. This is why any of the TBLS switching would be just a stupid idea for them financially.
On July 20 2011 02:05 Patat0r wrote: HUGE announcement !
I really hope this is the start of the transition ! You have no idea how I want to see Flash play SC2 !
You make BW players hate SC2 and SC2 players.
Correct. I don't enjoy SC2 very much at all, but I don't want to see it or its players fail.
Why can't people just like what they like, dislike what they dislike, but let both of them succeed? SC2 players don't need BW players to swap or the BW scene to collapse in order for SC2 to be VERY successful. BW players don't need SC2 to disappear or fail for BW to continue to succeed.
On July 20 2011 02:44 Vul wrote:
On July 20 2011 02:08 Torenhire wrote:
On July 20 2011 02:05 Patat0r wrote: HUGE announcement !
I really hope this is the start of the transition ! You have no idea how I want to see Flash play SC2 !
Why would Flash move to SC2 because it gained popularity.
You realize he makes a lot of money on his salary alone. Add on his tournament winnings. Sure, he could swap to SC2 because it's "more popular" but he'll lose his really good paycheck.
Swapping to SC2 from BW right now is like swapping to a job that pays a ton less, when you're in love with your current high paying job. Why would you do it? - in Flash's case, at least.
The other BW pros that migrated over are doing well, and they are making more by prize money than salaried on their other teams (possibly. They weren't winning shit in BW tournaments in any case). It makes no sense for Flash, but it could make sense for like...Juni or Perfectman or something.
I think he's talking less about the players making a switch on an individual basis, like MC, and more like the infrastructure making a switch. Of course its just speculation, but I would imagine that players with contracts now would have to be bought out of them, if the BW scene transferred to SC2.
Yes, but I don't think he's talking the way you are.
You make sense with what you say. However most people are like FLASH MOVE TO SC2 LOLOL and expect him to drop a 30k Salary (or whatever it is) to play a game that's not on salary pay. Except TSL but it's not close to what Flash is making, I imagine.
Anyways, let's not turn it into another SC2 vs BW thread. If people want to debate it or talk about it, PM me. I'm bored in class today. Here isn't the place, unless we want to start a ban trap :p
I was under the impression OGN has the rights to broadcast WCG from the brood war days, so I don't think it's a huge deal. They might have wiggled themselves into an exception for SC2 broadcast, or they just paid Blizzard for the event.
Nooooo sir, not 30K salary. Much more than that. Think around 200K. This is why any of the TBLS switching would be just a stupid idea for them financially.
maybe he meant 30k a month!?
I wouldn't be so excited about it, it's just the rights to cast WCG. SC2 will not get any further in Korea than this. At least for the time being, maybe later..who knows
Chances are Gom allowed WCG, for good reasons, broadcasting rights to the SC2 games. Since OGN broadcasts WCG in Korea, this is why OGN is broadcasting SC2. I tweeted about it since it wasn't stated on one of the articles I read despite other WCG games being stated to do so. Then I read a TIG article that stated it
You guys are reading FARRRRR too much into this. This is just a part of WCG. OGN can't do anything other than that since GOM has exclusive rights to broadcasting SC2 for 2 more years.
But OGN and MBCGame can still negotiate a sublicense to broadcast SC2 with GomTV can't they?
this will not change much for the time being. Its WCG and that's it. Once Goms exclusive rights are over for SC2 then we will really see how much korea actually likes it.
Hopefully this further sprouts the growth of StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty in Korea! Maybe MSL2 or OSL2 coming within the next year? (Gretech's rights to KR SC2 broadcasting ends within a year, give or take some time)
On July 20 2011 19:26 JungHyun wrote: Hopefully this further sprouts the growth of StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty in Korea! Maybe MSL2 or OSL2 coming within the next year? (Gretech's rights to KR SC2 broadcasting ends within a year, give or take some time)
On July 20 2011 02:05 Patat0r wrote: HUGE announcement !
I really hope this is the start of the transition ! You have no idea how I want to see Flash play SC2 !
You make BW players hate SC2 and SC2 players.
The BW players need to realize this isnt disrespect, its respect -_- Of course anyone who plays SC2 is gonna be excited (or scared, depending on your view point) as hell just thinking about the prospect of Flash playing SC2.
On July 20 2011 02:05 Patat0r wrote: HUGE announcement !
I really hope this is the start of the transition ! You have no idea how I want to see Flash play SC2 !
You make BW players hate SC2 and SC2 players.
The BW players need to realize this isnt disrespect, its respect -_- Of course anyone who plays SC2 is gonna be excited (or scared, depending on your view point) as hell just thinking about the prospect of Flash playing SC2.
I think it depends on the context, to be honest.
When I hear "I hope this is the start of the transition" it makes it sound like they want everyone from BW to stop playing BW and move to SC2. I hope my long ranty post about it made it sound like I was making that point and not that I hate everyone who says "flash in SC2 would be AWESOME"
It's respectful when you want to see a player play SC2, professionally or casually. I'm cool with people getting wet in the panties about _insert BW player here_ playing SC2.
It's only really annoying and frustrating to hear when people comment on it like they want BW to just go away forever so that SC2 can be the "top starcraft" game.
On July 20 2011 02:05 Patat0r wrote: HUGE announcement !
I really hope this is the start of the transition ! You have no idea how I want to see Flash play SC2 !
You make BW players hate SC2 and SC2 players.
The BW players need to realize this isnt disrespect, its respect -_- Of course anyone who plays SC2 is gonna be excited (or scared, depending on your view point) as hell just thinking about the prospect of Flash playing SC2.
I have to strongly disagree, mate. To a BW fan it's equal to "who gives a shit about your game, let's have them play my game", especially to those who do not care about sc2.
On July 20 2011 02:05 Patat0r wrote: HUGE announcement !
I really hope this is the start of the transition ! You have no idea how I want to see Flash play SC2 !
You make BW players hate SC2 and SC2 players.
The BW players need to realize this isnt disrespect, its respect -_- Of course anyone who plays SC2 is gonna be excited (or scared, depending on your view point) as hell just thinking about the prospect of Flash playing SC2.
It's still a sensitive issue and people need to word it better. It's like LoL players going "I hope Starcraft 2 dies already so TeamLiquid switches coverage to LoL". Respect for TeamLiquid but annoying as hell
On July 20 2011 02:05 Patat0r wrote: HUGE announcement !
I really hope this is the start of the transition ! You have no idea how I want to see Flash play SC2 !
You make BW players hate SC2 and SC2 players.
The BW players need to realize this isnt disrespect, its respect -_- Of course anyone who plays SC2 is gonna be excited (or scared, depending on your view point) as hell just thinking about the prospect of Flash playing SC2.
It's still a sensitive issue and people need to word it better. It's like LoL players going "I hope Starcraft 2 dies already so TeamLiquid switches coverage to LoL". Respect for TeamLiquid but annoying as hell
You guys are blowing it way out of proportion. All he said was "I want to see Flash play SC2". If I said, "I think it'd be cool to see Jinro play LoL", that doesn't suddenly mean I want SC2 to die.
Its still annoying to see SC2 players going on a BW threads(or anywhere else) and see a pages worth of posts with the content "Hope this player switch to SC2." Just look into the STX thread thingy.
On July 20 2011 02:05 Patat0r wrote: HUGE announcement !
I really hope this is the start of the transition ! You have no idea how I want to see Flash play SC2 !
You make BW players hate SC2 and SC2 players.
The BW players need to realize this isnt disrespect, its respect -_- Of course anyone who plays SC2 is gonna be excited (or scared, depending on your view point) as hell just thinking about the prospect of Flash playing SC2.
It's still a sensitive issue and people need to word it better. It's like LoL players going "I hope Starcraft 2 dies already so TeamLiquid switches coverage to LoL". Respect for TeamLiquid but annoying as hell
You guys are blowing it way out of proportion. All he said was "I want to see Flash play SC2". If I said, "I think it'd be cool to see Jinro play LoL", that doesn't suddenly mean I want SC2 to die.
On July 20 2011 02:05 Patat0r wrote: HUGE announcement !
I really hope this is the start of the transition ! You have no idea how I want to see Flash play SC2 !
You make BW players hate SC2 and SC2 players.
The BW players need to realize this isnt disrespect, its respect -_- Of course anyone who plays SC2 is gonna be excited (or scared, depending on your view point) as hell just thinking about the prospect of Flash playing SC2.
It's still a sensitive issue and people need to word it better. It's like LoL players going "I hope Starcraft 2 dies already so TeamLiquid switches coverage to LoL". Respect for TeamLiquid but annoying as hell
You guys are blowing it way out of proportion. All he said was "I want to see Flash play SC2". If I said, "I think it'd be cool to see Jinro play LoL", that doesn't suddenly mean I want SC2 to die.
It does when they say that about every single BW progamer and even the channels...
On July 21 2011 02:57 JiPrime wrote: I hope this event gives some eye-opener to some stubborn people to realize which game is the better game.
I didn't know SC2 fans were so desperate that they attach any sort of significance to this WCG being broadcasted on SC2 thing.
How pathetic.
Dont feed trolls.
On July 21 2011 02:24 mansa wrote: Its still annoying to see SC2 players going on a BW threads(or anywhere else) and see a pages worth of posts with the content "Hope this player switch to SC2." Just look into the STX thread thingy.
Edit: Spelling and stuff
Edit2: Didn't OGN also broadcast some C&C3 stuff?
So let's leave the outrage for when it happens in the BW section, not when someone says "oh man Id love to see flash play SC2", in a thread in the SC2 section.
On July 21 2011 02:24 mansa wrote: Its still annoying to see SC2 players going on a BW threads(or anywhere else) and see a pages worth of posts with the content "Hope this player switch to SC2." Just look into the STX thread thingy.
Edit: Spelling and stuff
Edit2: Didn't OGN also broadcast some C&C3 stuff?
C&C3 and the KW expansion were WCG games a few years ago, so I assume that OGN might have given it some exposure. I do recall stumbling upon a Korean-casted C&C3 match some time ago, possibly from WCG.
edit: Some casual Google sleuthing revealed this gem of Korean C&C3:
I'm especially interested to see how SC2's graphics hold up on the TV-quality that OGN broadcasts in. I saw some TeSL videos of their TV broadcast, and it's bearable but still doesn't look as good as some of the stuff we get from livestreams.
On July 21 2011 02:24 mansa wrote: Its still annoying to see SC2 players going on a BW threads(or anywhere else) and see a pages worth of posts with the content "Hope this player switch to SC2."
It's equally annoying to see BW players coming into the SC2 forums and talking how it's a no-skill game for scrubs (Like the Rhino in the room thread).
This is great. SC2 fans are going to have to watch restreams of Korean Matches on TL users streams instead of the gomtv thingy. It's just like BW. So refreshing! I love OGN. Wish it came with their set of casters too.
On July 21 2011 06:46 eviltomahawk wrote: C&C3 and the KW expansion were WCG games a few years ago, so I assume that OGN might have given it some exposure. I do recall stumbling upon a Korean-casted C&C3 match some time ago, possibly from WCG.
I'm especially interested to see how SC2's graphics hold up on the TV-quality that OGN broadcasts in. I saw some TeSL videos of their TV broadcast, and it's bearable but still doesn't look as good as some of the stuff we get from livestreams.
On July 21 2011 02:24 mansa wrote: Its still annoying to see SC2 players going on a BW threads(or anywhere else) and see a pages worth of posts with the content "Hope this player switch to SC2." Just look into the STX thread thingy.
Edit: Spelling and stuff
Edit2: Didn't OGN also broadcast some C&C3 stuff?
So let's leave the outrage for when it happens in the BW section, not when someone says "oh man Id love to see flash play SC2", in a thread in the SC2 section.
Ah, FrozenArbiter playing referee to a BW vs SC2 debate! Just like old times...
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