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KingGreasy
Profile Joined June 2011
United States162 Posts
July 16 2011 21:21 GMT
#1581
On July 17 2011 06:19 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 06:14 FawkingGoomba wrote:
On July 17 2011 06:13 Emporio wrote:
On July 17 2011 06:12 FawkingGoomba wrote:
On July 17 2011 06:10 JWD wrote:
On July 17 2011 06:08 FawkingGoomba wrote:
The rule he's complaining about is that you can't talk about your own hand when it's heads up (1v1)

I don't know that much about poker, but this rule makes no sense to me. What's the rationale? I though it was just part of the game (bluffing etc.) that you can always talk about your hand.

That's the reason everyone is complaining. It's always been a part of the game and is an important strategy for heads up poker. The rationale is essentially that the WSOP tournament admins don't like that aspect of the game and want it out. The mindgames of heads up poker is one of the most exciting parts, it's a shame they cut it out.


What don't they like?

They don't like that you can talk your opponent into making certain moves. Don't understand the rule, it's dumb.


I don't think that was always the rule. I believe it was because of Jamie gold and his " I told you I had top top" line. It really looked like they were colluding. So they changed the rule


New rule is disappointing.
I loved that year Jamie won. It was entertaining.
Enox
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1667 Posts
July 16 2011 21:22 GMT
#1582
he hit the flush on the river
If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
July 16 2011 21:23 GMT
#1583
On July 17 2011 06:17 Pcgamer72 wrote:
How much longer are they playing for today?


They will be playing 4 or 5 blind levels, based on the tourney admin's descresion. Each blind level is 2 hours, dinner break is 2 hours, and they started at 3 pm EST, so they will be playing until 1 am or 3 am EST.
.Enigma.
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1461 Posts
July 16 2011 21:25 GMT
#1584
On July 17 2011 06:21 Cudaflu wrote:
What happened on the hand where everyone is talking about the river? I missed it.


KQo vs Q4s on 10JKA board

Q4 wins by hitting flush on the river.
"Jupiters c*ck!" - Quintus Lentulus Batiatus
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
July 16 2011 21:27 GMT
#1585
On July 17 2011 06:02 Phenrei wrote:
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On July 17 2011 05:59 SafeAsCheese wrote:
How much of poker would you guys say is luck?

The US considers it "gambling", yet someone has won this championship two times, so obviously SKILL is the contributing factor here. But isn't luck of the draw a small part of it as well, similar to Starcraft where you might scout properly yet skill miss something important due to bad luck?

Would you say it's 95% skill 5% luck, or is luck more important?


I'll repeat Day9's joke about this: "You don't go in for the final attack against your opponent to see they suddenly have a dozen broodlords and all you can say is 'That's Starcraft!' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"


Not even a good analogy.

It's like finding out your opponent had a hidden expansion the whole time and they crush your attack

Or you attack and you don't see them dropping your min lines while flanking your main army and get demolished.
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Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
July 16 2011 21:28 GMT
#1586
On July 17 2011 06:15 Joedaddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 05:59 SafeAsCheese wrote:
How much of poker would you guys say is luck?

The US considers it "gambling", yet someone has won this championship two times, so obviously SKILL is the contributing factor here. But isn't luck of the draw a small part of it as well, similar to Starcraft where you might scout properly yet skill miss something important due to bad luck?

Would you say it's 95% skill 5% luck, or is luck more important?


I couldn't begin to give you a percentage but I think Poker is a game of probabilities and percentages more so than luck. Phil Helmuth has 11 bracelets with 45 final tables appearances. That's not luck.


This is an accurate description. Poker is a game based around your ability to keep track and calculate probabilities, and use that knowledge to make the appropriate decision. There is no small amount of luck involved, but someone who knows what he is doing with regards to the statistics will have a huge edge.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
July 16 2011 21:29 GMT
#1587
Who is the clueless commentator? :D
What is a 3-bet or float? lol.
Train like an animal, eat like a horse, sleep like a baby, grow like a weed.
hi_0
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada249 Posts
July 16 2011 21:29 GMT
#1588
The commentator isn't clueless, he's just feeding questions for the noobs at home who like to watch poker
groms
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1017 Posts
July 16 2011 21:30 GMT
#1589
On July 17 2011 06:29 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Who is the clueless commentator? :D
What is a 3-bet or float? lol.

I'm not sure if he's doing it on purpose or not but I think its awesome for people like me who don't take poker seriously. I had no idea what float meant. Very helpful to have him have Esfandiari clarify some of these more obscure terms.
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Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
July 16 2011 21:30 GMT
#1590
In starcraft, the luck aspect comes from the fact that anyone can beat anyone on a good day/ bad day. There is a lot of volatility... But nearly all the time, in a Bo3, the better player wins. In starcraft, you can choose to flip coins and win a few of them. In poker, you only flip coins but the coins are rigged based on how skilled you are, meaning with mroe skill equals greater chance of success, just not guaranteed success.
Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
July 16 2011 21:30 GMT
#1591
On July 17 2011 06:29 hi_0 wrote:
The commentator isn't clueless, he's just feeding questions for the noobs at home who like to watch poker

He looked genuinely clueless to me.
Train like an animal, eat like a horse, sleep like a baby, grow like a weed.
VeryAverage
Profile Joined January 2011
United States424 Posts
July 16 2011 21:31 GMT
#1592
Kiwi is gonna need to get some fast, he's running one of the shortest stacks in the tournament.
Praeses
Profile Joined June 2010
United States8 Posts
July 16 2011 21:31 GMT
#1593
On July 17 2011 06:27 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 06:02 Phenrei wrote:
On July 17 2011 05:59 SafeAsCheese wrote:
How much of poker would you guys say is luck?

The US considers it "gambling", yet someone has won this championship two times, so obviously SKILL is the contributing factor here. But isn't luck of the draw a small part of it as well, similar to Starcraft where you might scout properly yet skill miss something important due to bad luck?

Would you say it's 95% skill 5% luck, or is luck more important?


I'll repeat Day9's joke about this: "You don't go in for the final attack against your opponent to see they suddenly have a dozen broodlords and all you can say is 'That's Starcraft!' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"


Not even a good analogy.

It's like finding out your opponent had a hidden expansion the whole time and they crush your attack

Or you attack and you don't see them dropping your min lines while flanking your main army and get demolished.

Not really, b/c until you get rivered in poker, you are actually that far ahead. If they have a hidden base or something, you're not really ahead at all. Poker takes skill, but luck has a far larger role in it than in starcraft. For example, I could never beat MC, but even against Doyle Brunson I could knock him out on a 2 outer.
Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
July 16 2011 21:31 GMT
#1594
This is kinda boring without the cards shown. I guess it would be cool if I knew enough to guess hands but... I don't.
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
July 16 2011 21:31 GMT
#1595
On July 17 2011 06:25 .Enigma. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 06:21 Cudaflu wrote:
What happened on the hand where everyone is talking about the river? I missed it.


KQo vs Q4s on 10JKA board

Q4 wins by hitting flush on the river.


910JK board, not 10JKA, which is why the guy had to hesitate a little before calling (he would be behind against AQ)
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
July 16 2011 21:32 GMT
#1596
On July 17 2011 06:31 VeryAverage wrote:
Kiwi is gonna need to get some fast, he's running one of the shortest stacks in the tournament.


Most likely not. He has 200k under average. He doubled up once already.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
July 16 2011 21:32 GMT
#1597
On July 17 2011 06:30 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 06:29 hi_0 wrote:
The commentator isn't clueless, he's just feeding questions for the noobs at home who like to watch poker

He looked genuinely clueless to me.

I think he's doing a good job for amateurs or even people who don't play poker that are watching it
jinixxx123
Profile Joined June 2010
543 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 21:36:00
July 16 2011 21:34 GMT
#1598
im curious why kiwi plays sc2 , it costs 10 000 just to enter this poker event while mlg has its top prize as 5000...............

if i was in his position i'd be playing poker full time, if he plays sc2 purely for passion thats amazing.
xyl0s
Profile Joined July 2011
Switzerland30 Posts
July 16 2011 21:35 GMT
#1599
Short term poker is gambling with a lot of luck, so are these Main Events, you will never play enough of MEs to even out the variance.
Ezze
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada934 Posts
July 16 2011 21:35 GMT
#1600
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