I didn't even follow BW, and I didn't know about boxer until i started following sc2.

But from what I learnt about him in the past year from his games, his interviews and his documentary. I have gain enough respect for this man to say: he can lose the next 100 games on television, but he is still the motherfucking Emperor of Starcraft.

This man stands for something greater than just the game itself, any attempt to insult him will be idiotic.

Norp

United States55 Posts

June 29 2011 22:00 GMT

#122

Personal skill level isn't everything, being an effective leader/coach/mentor to his players, and making them as strong as possible seems like a great legacy and effective use of his time. I wouldn't call that falling.

Mioraka

Canada1353 Posts

June 29 2011 22:08 GMT

#123

On June 30 2011 00:16 mikyaJ wrote:

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IM is the best SC2 team. SlayerS wouldn't beat IM a second time if they met. The finals in which SlayerS won Alicia took out NesTea AND Losira. I doubt something like that would ever happen again. Not that they got lucky or anything that match, Alicia obviously played amazingly, but especially with PvZ favoring Zergs more and more recently, the only person who could take down IM's trifecta of players is MMA, and he wouldn't take out all 3 of them. Except for Ganzi, he could beat Mvp maybe.

And in Individual results they don't even compare. But SlayerS is the 2nd best SC2 team :D

Uhuh? Because IM will beat slayers in an imaginary situation that happened inside your brain; which to you proves their skill more than a FINAL MATCH that ALREADY HAPPENED in real life.

That's why slayers is not as good as IM?

Okay.....

Rinnegan5

Netherlands319 Posts

June 29 2011 22:14 GMT

#124

Boxer will allways be my hero no matter how bad he plays. I will allways support him!

GertHeart

United States631 Posts

June 29 2011 22:18 GMT

#125

I still enjoyed the games. So for me it doesn't matter, I'll be a boxer fan till the day I die.

1Eris1

United States5797 Posts

June 29 2011 22:20 GMT

#126

This is silly. Boxer's downfall if you want to call it that happened years ago well he was still involved in BW. He was crap in the later years, so I really don't see how this is any different

Zyphen

United States258 Posts

June 29 2011 22:20 GMT

#127

Did anyone watch Boxer's Wings (documentary)? He's had this shoulder problem for months ever since GSL2. They had X-rays done and it looks to be chronic. I'm not sure if it can be fixed. Boxer has played way more games than any other professional gamer. If you look beyond age at total games played, he's got a LOT more mileage on his body than any other pro. It's amazing he's even competing at this level still.

And journalists are vultures, especially tabloid ones. He's probably happy he got a response out of SlayersJessica. It just means more interest in his article. You read anything these days and it has to be hyper sensationlized to sell. People are so used to it, they don't even find it abnormal. They just think it's a journalist being a journalist when he delves into hyperbole.

AndAgain

United States2621 Posts

June 29 2011 22:23 GMT

#128

Kinda silly from Jessica. It's irrelevant whether Boxer lost because of his injury or not. A downfall is a downfall. She's taking the whole thing as a personal attack.

willoc

Canada1530 Posts

June 29 2011 22:24 GMT

#129

On June 30 2011 02:54 Chicane wrote:

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Am I reading the same article? It just seemed like he pretty much said that Boxer looked like he may be the first to do well in both sc1 and sc2, but didn't do well recently against asd. He quickly summerized the games and explained why Boxer lost.

I really don't see why this article is so bad. I could definitely understand if it said something like "Many of us knew Boxer didn't have the potential to play well" or just blatantly insulted him... but it seemed like a relatively average article... unless you were expecting them to praise him even as he lost.

What am I missing here?

From the tone of the articles it seems like the reporter is trying to put the final nails in the coffin for Boxer's career. Do you see them writing any articles about other players who got knocked out from Code A? It seems to me like the reporter is subtly 'shaming' Boxer. I could be wrong, of course, as I am reading the translation but it feels like a very negative article.

Also, notice that the article seems to omit Boxer's success in the foreign scene and the success of his team.

karlmengsk

Canada230 Posts

June 29 2011 22:28 GMT

#130

look at the success of the slayers team. i wonder if Boxer had anything to do with that hmmm?

Kazeyonoma

United States2912 Posts

June 29 2011 22:39 GMT

#131

I was so majorly depressed to see him lose game 1 in that fashion and then subsequently lose the match. I wanted BoxeR to continue his presence in the esports scene. luckily we'll still have GSTL to see him, and I hope he is able to recover from his shoulder injury so that he can make it back into Code A and subsequently Code S, but Code B gets harder and harder now that his own teammates are there (MMA, Min, and other up and comers). I fear the day we don't see televised matches of BoxeR in sc2 already so early in the scene's development.

<3 BoxeR and I hope he returns to fighting form and code A once again. This Article is harsh and mentions nothing about his ailment making it seem like it was all just his own fault. I'm with Jessica in that it was bs, and Lim Yo-Hwan shall have my support forever. FIGHTING!

aloT

England1042 Posts

June 29 2011 22:47 GMT

#132

He has only fallen so that he can rise up greater than ever.

United States1177 Posts

June 29 2011 22:54 GMT

#133

It's nice for jessica to stick up for BoxeR, but over-the-top ranting should be done privately. Starting feuds is only going to bring more stress and attention to BoxeR...

Besides I'm sure this isn't the first article to coin the downfall of BoxeR. There probably were a lot of articles back in BW named "Emperor overthrown" or "Fall of the dynasty" blah blah.

Black Gun

Germany4482 Posts

June 29 2011 23:04 GMT

#134

well, his recent play obviously wasnt too great, but there is even a reason for it (his shoulder problems) and he is by no means the only good player in code B. i guess no-one is doubting the skill of mma, thestc or DRG and yet they are in code B aswell.

4of8

Germany256 Posts

June 29 2011 23:10 GMT

#135

Everyone has his ups and downs. Nobody is saying MMA is going down because he dropped down to code B. We all know he will be back. And with Boxer it is not different. At the moment it just seems like his opponents can read him in the early in midgame like an open book, but after this he still plays like a genius. The only problem is every one knows he will try to drop or send some banshees, so they can prepare for this and screw him off. It is nothing about skill he just is to predictable. If he somehow manages to get more unpredictable in the early and midgame, he will come back to code S very soon.

Gladiator6

Sweden7024 Posts

June 29 2011 23:12 GMT

#136

BoxeR will come back for sure!

Davion

United States26 Posts

June 29 2011 23:18 GMT

#137

I feel that BoxeR honestly just needs to stop worrying about GSL and competitions for a little while and just focus on practicing and getting back the essence/playstyle that is BoxeR. We see from MMA and Ryung's playstyles and their relative successes that BoxeR still has potential. I feel that he's being impatient and given his age and physical condition. Hopefully he'll buckle down and prepare for NASL and I sincerely hoping to seeing BoxeR doing well in the near future. LIM YO HWAN/SLAYERSBOXER HWAITING!!!!!!!

sefio

103 Posts

June 29 2011 23:21 GMT

#138

Isn't Boxer in the top 16 of NASL? Isn't that better than Nada? Code B isn't really that bad. There's so many good players in Korea that you can lose to even if you're the best player in the world.

setmeal

162 Posts

June 29 2011 23:34 GMT

#139

I don't know why this guy gets so much attention. I never heard of this guy until SC2 and everyone seems to make so much fuss about him. In truth, his play is at best average and his time in the sun is over. Reporters have the right to free speech and to express their views. In my opinion, Boxer deserves to be criticised for his poor play.

Elite__

Canada976 Posts

June 29 2011 23:37 GMT

#140

On June 30 2011 08:34 setmeal wrote:
I don't know why this guy gets so much attention. I never heard of this guy until SC2 and everyone seems to make so much fuss about him. In truth, his play is at best average and his time in the sun is over. Reporters have the right to free speech and to express their views. In my opinion, Boxer deserves to be criticised for his poor play.

If you don't know why he gets so much attention, you should maybe google his name.....

He is a legend in all sense of the word in the world of Starcraft. He redefined the way the game was played, won tons of championships, and he is an incredibly humble and nice person.