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Lo3 #76: "WTF Foreigners?" w/ Dreamhack CEO 7 PMET - Page 2

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Samp
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada783 Posts
June 15 2011 20:20 GMT
#21
awesome! cant wait
Banelings, "They're cute, they live in a nest". -Artosis
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
June 15 2011 20:22 GMT
#22
Slasher you didn't even mention Satoshi cleaning up the big pot bonus for BB:CS2 as well, he's the guy on the right in the picture.

Will there be any call-ins this show? I would love to call in about the AE events this past weekend.
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PimpWilly
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States228 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 20:23:19
June 15 2011 20:22 GMT
#23
Was hoping you'd have JWong or Daigo or Tokido on. Really curious to hear their thoughts even if it was through a translator

Worth noting too that Justin Wong has said he has a new team ready for Evo that he won't show at all until the tournament, since he doesn't want to give anybody any lead on countering him.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
June 15 2011 20:24 GMT
#24
Also, I had spoken to a popular tournament streamer and he said that the 22.5 million number seemed weird becuase he's hit equal number of unique's as MLG got before for an event, but the total views number wasn't even 20% that of 22.5 mil. How is it that the numbers could be THAT different?
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Chronald
Profile Joined December 2009
United States619 Posts
June 15 2011 20:25 GMT
#25
On June 16 2011 05:22 PimpWilly wrote:
Was hoping you'd have JWong or Daigo or Tokido on. Really curious to hear their thoughts even if it was through a translator

Worth noting too that Justin Wong has said he has a new team ready for Evo that he won't show at all until the tournament, since he doesn't want to give anybody any lead on countering him.

Can't wait to see his new team.

I just hope he keeps to what he practiced, because his teams have always been really good, but that last one he used in the Grand Finals... Wolv/Amatseru/Tron?? Against Wolv/Sent/Phoenix??

It just seems like a bad choice to me, but maybe I don't understand some of the finer points about playing vs Phoenix at the highest level.
Got that.
PimpWilly
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States228 Posts
June 15 2011 20:25 GMT
#26
2 streams at once = lots of stream switching all weekend
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
June 15 2011 20:27 GMT
#27
On June 16 2011 05:25 Chronald wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 05:22 PimpWilly wrote:
Was hoping you'd have JWong or Daigo or Tokido on. Really curious to hear their thoughts even if it was through a translator

Worth noting too that Justin Wong has said he has a new team ready for Evo that he won't show at all until the tournament, since he doesn't want to give anybody any lead on countering him.

Can't wait to see his new team.

I just hope he keeps to what he practiced, because his teams have always been really good, but that last one he used in the Grand Finals... Wolv/Amatseru/Tron?? Against Wolv/Sent/Phoenix??

It just seems like a bad choice to me, but maybe I don't understand some of the finer points about playing vs Phoenix at the highest level.


According to twitter (albeit after a salty weekend, so might be jokingly) Floe Marn and Justin all said they need to put phoenix on their team

Maybe Wolvie Tron Phoenix or wolvie akuma phoenix, problem is you want some decent hp character to build the meter for tron, but you also usually need to spend meter to make wolvie effective.
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Chronald
Profile Joined December 2009
United States619 Posts
June 15 2011 20:30 GMT
#28
On June 16 2011 05:27 Zlasher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 05:25 Chronald wrote:
On June 16 2011 05:22 PimpWilly wrote:
Was hoping you'd have JWong or Daigo or Tokido on. Really curious to hear their thoughts even if it was through a translator

Worth noting too that Justin Wong has said he has a new team ready for Evo that he won't show at all until the tournament, since he doesn't want to give anybody any lead on countering him.

Can't wait to see his new team.

I just hope he keeps to what he practiced, because his teams have always been really good, but that last one he used in the Grand Finals... Wolv/Amatseru/Tron?? Against Wolv/Sent/Phoenix??

It just seems like a bad choice to me, but maybe I don't understand some of the finer points about playing vs Phoenix at the highest level.


According to twitter (albeit after a salty weekend, so might be jokingly) Floe Marn and Justin all said they need to put phoenix on their team

Maybe Wolvie Tron Phoenix or wolvie akuma phoenix, problem is you want some decent hp character to build the meter for tron, but you also usually need to spend meter to make wolvie effective.


The thing with Phoenix is that its a gamble. If you get snapped back into an Air Combo, you are beat and your 5 bar trump card is gone.

That being said, with the level of control and prediction that top level players have, I see no reason to not use Phoenix as a standard character like Wolvie. I still miss the Wolvie/Storm/Akuma team that Justin won that first MvC3 tourney with. However it makes sense why he doesn't play Storm anymore, since she is so easy to counter.

I've been wondering about She-Hulk with Wolvie, seems like a good mix, with the right assists it could be nice, and then just use Phoenix to win if you can't win off of SH/Wolvie.
Got that.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
June 15 2011 20:39 GMT
#29
On June 16 2011 05:30 Chronald wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 05:27 Zlasher wrote:
On June 16 2011 05:25 Chronald wrote:
On June 16 2011 05:22 PimpWilly wrote:
Was hoping you'd have JWong or Daigo or Tokido on. Really curious to hear their thoughts even if it was through a translator

Worth noting too that Justin Wong has said he has a new team ready for Evo that he won't show at all until the tournament, since he doesn't want to give anybody any lead on countering him.

Can't wait to see his new team.

I just hope he keeps to what he practiced, because his teams have always been really good, but that last one he used in the Grand Finals... Wolv/Amatseru/Tron?? Against Wolv/Sent/Phoenix??

It just seems like a bad choice to me, but maybe I don't understand some of the finer points about playing vs Phoenix at the highest level.


According to twitter (albeit after a salty weekend, so might be jokingly) Floe Marn and Justin all said they need to put phoenix on their team

Maybe Wolvie Tron Phoenix or wolvie akuma phoenix, problem is you want some decent hp character to build the meter for tron, but you also usually need to spend meter to make wolvie effective.


The thing with Phoenix is that its a gamble. If you get snapped back into an Air Combo, you are beat and your 5 bar trump card is gone.

That being said, with the level of control and prediction that top level players have, I see no reason to not use Phoenix as a standard character like Wolvie. I still miss the Wolvie/Storm/Akuma team that Justin won that first MvC3 tourney with. However it makes sense why he doesn't play Storm anymore, since she is so easy to counter.

I've been wondering about She-Hulk with Wolvie, seems like a good mix, with the right assists it could be nice, and then just use Phoenix to win if you can't win off of SH/Wolvie.


It's a significantly less risk than you're trying to portray. A snapback doesn't lead into continuing your combo that you just gave up and spent a meter to end early. Once in, Phoenix basically has a safe zone a la doom's hidden missiles with her tracking fireballs that make it so you can't safely begin a combo against her either. She Hulk and Wolvie are terrible together because they both need an assist that helps them get in, which Tron's Gustaf Fire and Akumas tatsu allows. Thats why She hulk wolvie akuma can work as a team, but you can't have both SH and Wolvie if you want phoenix on your team as well. None of those 3 characters has an assist that allows you to safely get in and rushdown someone.
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JYN
Profile Joined May 2011
United States14 Posts
June 15 2011 20:40 GMT
#30
Chinese players are considered foreigners in the realm of SC2 as well...

SEA (south east ASIAN) players are considered foreigners, yet you are hesitant to call the rest of Asia foreigners as well? Please be more consistent with your labels.
Avs
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (North)857 Posts
June 15 2011 20:46 GMT
#31
One of these days if Esports grows a lot more, we can stop using foreigners to describe non-koreans. After all these years, people still don't sit well with the term, and for good reason.
zimz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States510 Posts
June 15 2011 20:47 GMT
#32
when people use foreigner in this context, they mean westerners.
zimz
busbarn
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden984 Posts
June 15 2011 20:47 GMT
#33
I want to hear from SirScoots why EG cs team isn't in dreamhack
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 21:10:22
June 15 2011 21:08 GMT
#34
On June 16 2011 05:17 speedphlux wrote:
How the heck is that topic posted on June 16th, when I'm in a time zone that's ahead of djWheat and it's still 15th here ?!
Can I has this filled in the TL events calendar so that I know exactly how much time I has till it goes live ?


Because TL works on Korean time and there is 16th. It doesn't matter in what timezone the poster is.

Edit: Also Lo3 is and has been for a long time been in the TL Calender.
1h 52m Live on Three #76
JYN
Profile Joined May 2011
United States14 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 21:14:48
June 15 2011 21:12 GMT
#35
Foreigners does not equal westerners as Australian, New Zealand are just as west as China, Taiwan, and the rest of SEA.

If Moonglade and the rest of the Australian, NZ scene can be called foreigners, I find it odd that their neighbors like Malaysia, Singapore, and also China up north, are often not labeled foreigners as well in the SC2 scene. Obviously as(if?) SC2 grows to become more global, labels will change, but I can't help but realize that e-sports media is quick to separate out the Asian e-sports scene. Going forward, I always think it's best to remain PC and be more inclusive with our terms.
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 21:13:32
June 15 2011 21:13 GMT
#36
On June 16 2011 05:17 speedphlux wrote:
How the heck is that topic posted on June 16th, when I'm in a time zone that's ahead of djWheat and it's still 15th here ?!
Can I has this filled in the TL events calendar so that I know exactly how much time I has till it goes live ?


It is. Also TL runs on KST.

http://www.teamliquid.net/calendar/2011/06/16

Event Time: 08:00 KST
01:00 CEST
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Wed 16:00 PDT
Wed 18:00 CDT
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
djWHEAT
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States925 Posts
June 15 2011 21:23 GMT
#37
On June 16 2011 05:03 Aegeis wrote:
Is there a way to get a only audio format of this show?

Itunes has 3 different versions of Lo3 and I think most of them are out dated.


Should be the one with the OneMoreGame.tv label. If you search for OneMoreGame in iTUNES then you will see an Artists page with subs to every show :D
OneMoreGame.tv // Weapon Of Choice // Kings Of Tin // Inside The Game // Live On Three
Musou
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1375 Posts
June 15 2011 21:31 GMT
#38
On June 16 2011 05:12 Chronald wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 04:57 Rayeth wrote:
Can't wait to hear the reasons all the foreigners suck at fighting games. This should be good.

Justin Wong could have won, but he used a gimmicky team in MvC3 and didn't play perfectly, which Tokido didn't do either, but he played more perfect...

JWong didn't use his standard team, which I can understand because of how good Tokido's Phoenix is, but I think he could have pulled the win out if he just played a more solid, and practiced, team.

Funny thing is, JWong is alternately considered both a westerner and an Asian depending on who he's playing against (Japanese or not), in the same way many people consider Select Korean or not depending on who he's playing.
zyzski
Profile Joined May 2010
United States698 Posts
June 15 2011 21:34 GMT
#39
lee young ho, the ultimate weapon and the best player in history

+ Show Spoiler +
even though he lost to the dong last night
TYBG
Slasher
Profile Joined September 2007
United States1095 Posts
June 15 2011 22:09 GMT
#40
I understand people's complaints regarding the terms 'foreigner', 'westerner', etc, will try and give my thoughts tonight.
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