With less than two weeks away from the largest StarCraft-party this summer we now present 9 new super skilled players that are ready to fight in DreamHack Sapphire AMD Championship at DreamHack Summer 2011.
Welcome to DreamHack Moon, Morrow, SaSe, TT1, Machine, DeMusliM, Sushi, Tyler and MaNa. Rules, map pool, BYOC registration and the final players will be presented the upcoming days.
More streams for your entertainment! Day[9] and Apollo will be the main casters and do the cast at DreamArena Extreme but since there is a lot of games going on simultaneously we need more streams and casters. DreamHack Sapphire AMD Championship will feature a total of 5 English streams that will cover the event and the BYOC.
If you want to know more about what players that were invited before or just Dreamhacks general plans for Starcraft 2 during the summer-event, please visit and discuss in this thread then.
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This is looking to be sick!!!! I loved last dreamhack because it was SOOOOOOO energetic. I hope this one blows it out the water. Does anyone know who is casting for iccup.tv? I haven't heard anything from raelcun lately.
On June 09 2011 02:33 Zuor wrote: Good to see that Mana got an invite, I was kinda getting worried that he wouldn't get one at all based on some threads here in TL.
What do you mean he is one the best toss in europe...
something up with the dreamhack.tv website? i get some red web site in another language. i did not watch the previous dreamhack just the invitational but i look forward to it this time.
DREAMHACK!:D This will be so epic!:D hopefully I will get on the byoc stream:o would be pretty sick! EDIT: Btw this was announced on teamliquid before it was announced on the dreamhack site, power to teamliquid and their influence and ofc dreamhack!:D
On June 09 2011 02:33 Zuor wrote: Good to see that Mana got an invite, I was kinda getting worried that he wouldn't get one at all based on some threads here in TL.
What do you mean he is one the best toss in europe...
well... I remember a few weeks ago he was talking to stream, he said the only way he'd be allowed to come, was if another player couldn't come.
On June 09 2011 02:33 Zuor wrote: Good to see that Mana got an invite, I was kinda getting worried that he wouldn't get one at all based on some threads here in TL.
What do you mean he is one the best toss in europe...
There were some rumors that we wasn't getting an invite. And it was weird that he wasn't included in the first invites (after all, he was the runner-up in the DH event that Naama won and yet he still wasn't listed, even though other runner-ups from different DH events were).
Imo these invites was really really poor against the other players that are attending.
Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
Seriously is every tournament trying to outdo the last in terms of awesomeness? How is it even possible that we are treated to TSL then MLG Columbus then this? Simply amazing.
Woot! Mana is invited <3 I remember a while back there was some talk about it. And it got many people worried, but there is nothing to fear! Also for the streams, do you guys have some sort of priority system? So that you will always know which streamer team is allowed in a particular game, and not have two in the same game? Because of things like lag mostly.
On June 09 2011 02:31 namedplayer wrote: funny how Moon is always invited.
So I think it's partyl because of that. He has a really easy time paying for travelling expenses and lodging. Maybe that also makes him a desired player to invite. You can count on him. Wouldn't be surprised to see him participate in pretty everything that is available.
On June 09 2011 02:36 Termit wrote: Imo these invites was really really poor against the other players that are attending.
Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
How much money are you willing to put down that Moon won't win a bo3? Because I'm pretty sure he will!
Quite sure my top "predictions" in the last thread were morrow, sase, demuslim, moon and tt1. I should go buy a lottery ticket or something.
If the DH summer production will be one third as good as the stockholm mini tournament then DH summer will probably be the most entertaining sc2 tournament we've seen this far.
Swedens largest channel Swedish Television 1 (SVT 1) is gonna show and stream this on their website svt.play but its going to be swedish commentator. Just going to point that out because its rather huge.
On June 09 2011 02:36 Termit wrote: Imo these invites was really really poor against the other players that are attending.
Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
saying moon won't win a single bo3 is a laughable statement. he may not be to the level of top koreans but he is still excellent. just look at what he's done: Moon
On June 09 2011 02:36 Termit wrote: Imo these invites was really really poor against the other players that are attending.
Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
What a load of crap.
Moon was Top8 at MLG and 2nd at IEM. He can take games of anyone (2-1 vs JulyZerg). And I guess hes invited because of his status as a legend of War3. He'll bring loads of attention to the tourney by himself.
And if you could read the text, Sushi was invited by "a DH partner". DH might have given this invite to a special judge oder jury who then would choose the player. Always nice to have a young and new player, and sushi is not bad either!
I love Moon & Totalbiscuit, and they both perform better and better, can see them being a big part of the SC2-topscene for the rest of the year,.. or atleast so i hope
On June 09 2011 02:36 Termit wrote: Imo these invites was really really poor against the other players that are attending.
Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
What a load of crap.
Moon was Top8 at MLG and 2nd at IEM. He can take games of anyone (2-1 vs JulyZerg). And I guess hes invited because of his status as a legend of War3. He'll bring loads of attention to the tourney by himself.
And if you could read the text, Sushi was invited by "a DH partner". DH might have given this invite to a special judge oder jury who then would choose the player. Always nice to have a young and new player, and sushi is not bad either!
On June 09 2011 02:53 Alexj wrote: Yeah, who is Moon, who did he win against in MLG? July? Someone nobody cares about!
And being eliminated by MC is just pathetic!
Yeah, keep in mind that July played a shitload of games all weekend and got eliminated in his weakest matchup. Look at Moon's games the rest of the tourney, nothing impressive. You guys don't need to raise him to the skies just because he is who he is, I mean, who did he win against in GSL? Oh wait...
Maybe saying he won't win a bo3 was a bit exaggerated but he will definitly struggle to come out of his group, thats for sure.
On June 09 2011 02:34 Ragoo wrote: Nice, the Europeans were to be expected, I'm pleasantly surprised about TT1 tho
No Nerchio is kinda sad but I heard he doesn't attend LANs? :/
the empire guys situated in eastern europe have a hard time coming out due to lack of a good flight connection. very sad beastyqt and nerchio would've been great people to finally see at a lan...
On June 09 2011 02:55 Tppz! wrote: I also dont like seeing Moon invited to every event. I'd like to see somebody "new" from Korea instead of Mr Banelingfail
You have Nada, Anypro, MKP, Fruitdealer, Inca and MC already. If that's not sufficient then that's a problem with you.
As long as Moon continues to do great in events and leagues I can't see a reason to not invite him.
On June 09 2011 02:53 Alexj wrote: Yeah, who is Moon, who did he win against in MLG? July? Someone nobody cares about!
And being eliminated by MC is just pathetic!
Moon was one of the best W3TFT pro gamer in history. His warcraft fans care. Look it up.
Pretty sure he was being sarcraftic.
Anywho, was pretty excited reading about the 5 streams, but no khaldor makes me sad, guess I'll almost exclusively watch apollo + day9 anyway. Fantastic set of invites, never heard of sushi but don't really care if he takes up one spot to make sponsors happy. This tournament is going to be awesome, can't wait to watch it :D
On June 09 2011 02:53 Alexj wrote: Yeah, who is Moon, who did he win against in MLG? July? Someone nobody cares about!
And being eliminated by MC is just pathetic!
Yeah, keep in mind that July played a shitload of games all weekend and got eliminated in his weakest matchup. Look at Moon's games the rest of the tourney, nothing impressive. You guys don't need to raise him to the skies just because he is who he is, I mean, who did he win against in GSL? Oh wait...
Maybe saying he won't win a bo3 was a bit exaggerated but he will definitly struggle to come out of his group, thats for sure.
That's a pretty silly statement, the "weakest matchup" excuse works both ways, as ZvZ is definitely his weakest matchup. You'd think after the second time Moon went to a foreign tournament and smashed a lot of peoples predictions for him that people would stop underrating him so terribly.
DH really needs to rename them from "invites" to something else. :p
I've seen about 2356246 posts about "why wasnt X invited?" when in fact everyone needs to apply first and invites are taken from the applies. I'd be pretty damn surprised if they denied an apply from someone like Nestea or MVP if they actually applied.
That said, someone posted a picture in the main DH Summer thread about invites based on region, and judging by that pic there should be a good 15-ish Koreans, which would mean still a few left. Dunno how correct that pic is though. + Show Spoiler +
Pretty sure incontrol didn't apply because of his girlfriend was doing something on that same date that he couldn't and wouldn't want miss? Or was that some other event? Pretty sure I read a post by him saying that atleast.
On June 09 2011 02:36 Termit wrote: Imo these invites was really really poor against the other players that are attending.
Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
saying moon won't win a single bo3 is a laughable statement. he may not be to the level of top koreans but he is still excellent. just look at what he's done: Moon
Uh. It only shows IEM silver.. Not the most mind numbing show off of tournament wins exactly ^^ I'd agree that he's not bad though, but there are considerably better invited out there for sure. I guess he's got a place in wc3 lovers' hearts though.
On June 09 2011 03:09 Wihl wrote: Pretty sure incontrol didn't apply because of his girlfriend was doing something on that same date that he couldn't and wouldn't want miss? Or was that some other event? Pretty sure I read a post by him saying that atleast.
Yeah that was it. She's doing the miss usa stuff same time as dreamhack.
On June 09 2011 02:57 memelol wrote: Dreamhack sure knows how to arrange events, just look at fail MLG, 500 commercials and just failstream. Dreamhack in my <3
On June 09 2011 02:36 Termit wrote: Imo these invites was really really poor against the other players that are attending.
Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
MooN does good in foreign events. The rest I can agree with though.
On June 09 2011 02:57 memelol wrote: Dreamhack sure knows how to arrange events, just look at fail MLG, 500 commercials and just failstream. Dreamhack in my <3
i beg your pardon?
I tend to agree with him actually. I've always been frustrated watching MLG, and the down times, black screens and roaring black fellows screaming about old space deoderants raped my soul from the inside and out. Dreamhack's always been smooth as butter. I've really liked their caster combos. Demuslim and 2gd was a stroke of genius.
On June 09 2011 03:22 human_ko wrote: I guess they dont invite top koreans because they can 10-0 everyone in europe.. but would be nice to see good koreans unlike medium foxmoon
On June 09 2011 02:46 SenorChang wrote: Lol, MLG went to two streams and not to be outdone Dreamhack went upto 5 streams :D
Dreamhack actually had like 5 streams for DH Winter, so nothing too surprising about that, actually was more or less the same casters that time too i think.
On June 09 2011 03:06 Kibibit wrote: You'd think after the second time Moon went to a foreign tournament and smashed a lot of peoples predictions for him that people would stop underrating him so terribly.
Nope. Haters gon' hate. I look forward to seeing Moon own it up. Moon top 16 or better, calling now.
On June 09 2011 03:22 human_ko wrote: I guess they dont invite top koreans because they can 10-0 everyone in europe.. but would be nice to see good koreans unlike medium foxmoon
You mean good Koreans like NaDa, MC and MKP? Or arent they good enough to please your wishes, too?
On June 09 2011 02:36 Termit wrote: Imo these invites was really really poor against the other players that are attending.
Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
saying moon won't win a single bo3 is a laughable statement. he may not be to the level of top koreans but he is still excellent. just look at what he's done: Moon
Uh. It only shows IEM silver.. Not the most mind numbing show off of tournament wins exactly ^^ I'd agree that he's not bad though, but there are considerably better invited out there for sure. I guess he's got a place in wc3 lovers' hearts though.
Yeah well Tyler gets invited for his BW days, that's just how it works. Atleast Moon got some results under his belts and has shown that he's doing really well in the international scene. Sure he isn't dominating like some other koreans but he'd be considered a top player had he been a foreigner. .
That pie chart is odd indeed. Maybe some Korean teams thought it was an 8-man tournament like the DH Invitational and withdrew their applicaions once they found out it was a 50-man tournament? It doesn't make much financial sense for them to go unless their travel expenses are covered considering the prize money isn't that great in relation to the competition. Or maybe the last invites are all Koreans and it will be the best tournament in the history of Starcraft 2.
On June 09 2011 03:22 human_ko wrote: I guess they dont invite top koreans because they can 10-0 everyone in europe.. but would be nice to see good koreans unlike medium foxmoon
Korea oGs MC – Protoss Korea oGs NaDa – Terran Korea oGs InCa – Protoss Korea TSL FruitDealer – Zerg Korea Prime MarineKing – Terran Korea Prime Anypro – Protoss Korea WeMade Fox Moon – Zerg
MC is two times GSL champion, Fruitdealer also a GSL champion, MKP is triple (afaik) almost GSL champion. NaDa is a Bonjwa. Moon is pretty decend good (look @MLG), InCa is on the same level like MMA or MKP...
I see MOSTLY top koreans here. Don't really know what's your problem...
On June 09 2011 02:46 SenorChang wrote: Lol, MLG went to two streams and not to be outdone Dreamhack went upto 5 streams :D
Dreamhack actually had like 5 streams for DH Winter, so nothing too surprising about that, actually was more or less the same casters that time too i think.
Indeed, it's rather MLG that's trying to catch up. MLG sure had great caster combos though, but TotalBiscuit is awesome.
Anyway, it's nice to see some more players from the other side of the pond invited. Tyler fighting!
On June 09 2011 03:22 human_ko wrote: I guess they dont invite top koreans because they can 10-0 everyone in europe.. but would be nice to see good koreans unlike medium foxmoon
You mean good Koreans like NaDa, MC and MKP? Or arent they good enough to please your wishes, too?
I'm sure he was hinting at the two giants of IM, and Bomber. Those three are pretty much the players everyone wants to see at a large international LAN event.
On June 09 2011 02:31 namedplayer wrote: funny how Moon is always invited.
I was thinking the same thing. Would love to see marine king prime in some foreign events or nestea, Weird that they never get invited.
But lol dreamhack, out macros mlg, 5 streams to 2. :D. how many players totally in the tourney? Hopefully thorzain will be there.
MKP will be at DH
Assuming he's not in the GSL ST Finals, but with the way brackets are looking now, he very well could be.
i would assume they have something prepared if that would happen, seing as they announced it so early on. I.E delaying his group stage games to day 2 or something like that.
On June 09 2011 02:34 Ragoo wrote: Nice, the Europeans were to be expected, I'm pleasantly surprised about TT1 tho
No Nerchio is kinda sad but I heard he doesn't attend LANs? :/
the empire guys situated in eastern europe have a hard time coming out due to lack of a good flight connection. very sad beastyqt and nerchio would've been great people to finally see at a lan...
U do realise that MaNa is also from "eastern europe" country Poland?
On June 09 2011 02:36 Termit wrote: Imo these invites was really really poor against the other players that are attending.
Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
Jesus christ, why do you include Moon in this list. He does well at EVERY tourney that he's invited in, he's playing great, there is 0, 0 reason at all to say this, it's ridiculous. Why is he a ''waste" of an invite, what about Tyler? I'm not saying Tyler is bad but lately Moon has showed soooo much more. Also Machine & TT1 are decent players. Sushi is ofcourse unknown, but what was MaNa back then? Indeed, keep in mind that Benelux qualifierd usually bring up some talent, I believe Grubby was one back in the days in W3.
I just find it ridiculous that people are "dissing" Moon, while he is way better than most of the people that are heralded.
Anyways, I really like these invites, can't see any of them disappoint. Maybe Sushi, but I have high expectations !
On June 09 2011 02:34 Ragoo wrote: Nice, the Europeans were to be expected, I'm pleasantly surprised about TT1 tho
No Nerchio is kinda sad but I heard he doesn't attend LANs? :/
the empire guys situated in eastern europe have a hard time coming out due to lack of a good flight connection. very sad beastyqt and nerchio would've been great people to finally see at a lan...
U do realise that MaNa is also from "eastern europe" country Poland?
So glad NonY made the cut, got a feeling it's going to be a huge boost and motivation for him, and might just be the one where he really shines this year!
Also glad Machine is invited, think he deserves and will do well whit the opportunity presented (hope they invite Incontrol so they can pair them, and he can finally get to Europe)!
Love the casters and the number of streams, going to watch the one whit best games, but most excited for TB, Day9 and glhf (if it's Elaine and Gunrun).
On June 09 2011 02:31 namedplayer wrote: funny how Moon is always invited.
I was thinking the same thing. Would love to see marine king prime in some foreign events or nestea, Weird that they never get invited.
But lol dreamhack, out macros mlg, 5 streams to 2. :D. how many players totally in the tourney? Hopefully thorzain will be there.
Moon is not in Code A or S, so his schedule is more free from GSL (and GSTL since FOX doesn't get a spot). Plus, this may be surprising, but Moon is a HUGE draw due to his WC3 dominance.
On June 09 2011 02:34 Ragoo wrote: Nice, the Europeans were to be expected, I'm pleasantly surprised about TT1 tho
No Nerchio is kinda sad but I heard he doesn't attend LANs? :/
the empire guys situated in eastern europe have a hard time coming out due to lack of a good flight connection. very sad beastyqt and nerchio would've been great people to finally see at a lan...
U do realise that MaNa is also from "eastern europe" country Poland?
Poland is central europe in my eyes
My point is it's not about country of origin but more about team, mouz > empire.
On June 09 2011 02:36 Termit wrote: Imo these invites was really really poor against the other players that are attending.
Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
This is pretty ridiculous, Moon and Machine both did very well at MLG and TT1 is considered a good player. Sushi is meh but it does say that their sponsor requested it so yeah.
On June 09 2011 02:31 namedplayer wrote: funny how Moon is always invited.
I was thinking the same thing. Would love to see marine king prime in some foreign events or nestea, Weird that they never get invited.
But lol dreamhack, out macros mlg, 5 streams to 2. :D. how many players totally in the tourney? Hopefully thorzain will be there.
Moon is not in Code A or S, so his schedule is more free from GSL (and GSTL since FOX doesn't get a spot). Plus, this may be surprising, but Moon is a HUGE draw due to his WC3 dominance.
Plus he is a very good player. Sure he got knocked out of the highest level tournament in the world but can anybody remember how close he was to getting into code S? I believe that both of his games to qualify were 2-1 and very close, he then was just one bo3 away from being out of code A and since then has been participating in mostly foreign tournament. People don't seem to be realise that just because he isn't playing in the GSL he is still a good player.
On June 09 2011 02:31 namedplayer wrote: funny how Moon is always invited.
I was thinking the same thing. Would love to see marine king prime in some foreign events or nestea, Weird that they never get invited.
But lol dreamhack, out macros mlg, 5 streams to 2. :D. how many players totally in the tourney? Hopefully thorzain will be there.
Moon is not in Code A or S, so his schedule is more free from GSL (and GSTL since FOX doesn't get a spot). Plus, this may be surprising, but Moon is a HUGE draw due to his WC3 dominance.
Plus he is a very good player. Sure he got knocked out of the highest level tournament in the world but can anybody remember how close he was to getting into code S? I believe that both of his games to qualify were 2-1 and very close, he then was just one bo3 away from being out of code A and since then has been participating in mostly foreign tournament. People don't seem to be realise that just because he isn't playing in the GSL he is still a good player.
Exactly, just like with Leenock, they were close as hell to code S, they didn't make it, and then it's one bo3. Admittedly Leenock had the more difficult group, but he hasn't shown anything else while Moon has.
On June 09 2011 02:36 Termit wrote: Imo these invites was really really poor against the other players that are attending.
Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
This is pretty ridiculous, Moon and Machine both did very well at MLG and TT1 is considered a good player. Sushi is meh but it does say that their sponsor requested it so yeah.
Moon does ok in overseas tournaments, but I'm guessing the issue is more that they'd rather see a more established korean instead of him. As for Machine, he's been doing rather poorly in both the NASL (1-7) and MLG (2-4).
Then again, you want a decent geographical representation, which means bringing more americans then just idra, not to mention having former legends (like moon) helps a tournament loads. There'll always be whining about invites, so yea, just deal with it. Limited spots, too many players, and the decision falls to the tournament.
On June 09 2011 04:03 mbr2321 wrote: Lol at Dreamhack trying to out-do mlg Columbus. Day9, a math major, could tell you that the number 5 is often times bigger than 2.
To be fair though, 1 stream of Tastosis > all. Day + Wheat were just icing on the MLG cake.
Looking forward to DH, it's looking really amazing!
On June 09 2011 04:08 The_Piper42 wrote: Why does Moon always get invited over much better Korean players...?
People aren't getting invited over other players they have to apply themselves in order to get an invite so saying that Moon is taking other people's spots is just ignorant.
I've said it before but if Dreamhack manage to get Nestea and/or MVP, this would be the most competitive SC2 tournament to date by far.
MMA and Losira would be nice too.
P.S. Please don't start these stupid comparisons between MLG and Dreamhack and how Dreamhack are trying to outdo MLG. If anything, it shows complete ignorance about the scale and history of Dreamhack.
On June 09 2011 02:36 Termit wrote: Imo these invites was really really poor against the other players that are attending.
Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
Oh, youuuu. Silly, silly, you. Of course, you're entitled to your opinion, but I don't think everyone (or even many) will share it. It's not like there's some dichotomy between "placed first in Event X; therefore, a legitimate invite" vs. "did not place first in Event X; therefore, pffft, what a waste!" Moon, Machine, and TT1 have already proven themselves as real competitors in many events, and I don't know Sushi, but I'm looking forward to seeing him play.
Also, FIVE streams? Haha. I think we're going through an interesting marketing phase in the SC2 pro scene like what happened in the shaving accessory market in America over the past decade:
"Our razor has three blades!" "Our new razor has FOUR blades!" "NEW AND IMPROVED! Five-blade razor shaves better than ever!"
On June 09 2011 04:17 Arc1 wrote: I sure hope for some TB and Mana casting action.
Well I will be bringing kit for 2 casters so I'm hoping some pro players might want to stop by in their off-time and co-cast a couple of games. We'll see.
On June 09 2011 04:08 The_Piper42 wrote: Why does Moon always get invited over much better Korean players...?
People aren't getting invited over other players they have to apply themselves in order to get an invite so saying that Moon is taking other people's spots is just ignorant.
This. Moon may not be as great at SC2 as some of the other Koreans (that being said he is very good), but he has more foreign experience than any other Korean by far. He has played so many WC3 tournaments outside Korea (since the Korean scene never really developed), he was on a foreign clan before, he's really accustomed and probably embraces the foreign scene as opposed to Koreans who generally put all their focus in GSL/GSTL. And yes, with no real GSL/GSTL commitments for Moon, he can go to (and afford to go to) these tournaments.
Basically, it costs someone money every time a player travels to an event. Moon's got lots of money from his FOX sponsorship, so he can support his own travel (whereas it's a trickier situation with the majority of other players).
Plus, he IS pretty good too, so events are happy to have him.
On June 09 2011 04:30 MechKing wrote: Am I the only one here that likes less streams? I always get confused as to what is actually on what stream. xD It's a good problem to have I guess.
I'm sure after a few events' worth of experimenting, most tournament organizers will find that nice, comfortable, in-between point that maximizes the viewer experience and minimizes their cost, and then that number of streams will become the standard.
On June 09 2011 04:17 Arc1 wrote: I sure hope for some TB and Mana casting action.
Well I will be bringing kit for 2 casters so I'm hoping some pro players might want to stop by in their off-time and co-cast a couple of games. We'll see.
That sounds awesome! I hope alot of players take you up on the offer, and i sure as hell will have your stream up most of the time just to check that out :D.
Moon is one of the player with more fans around the world cause Warcraft3. In China is the most important person of esports. Sponsors + fans = invited all events
On June 09 2011 04:39 ThatGuy89 wrote: have i missed it in one of the threads, but is incontrol not going to DH? seems odd for machine and demuslim to get invites, and not incontrol
On June 09 2011 04:39 ThatGuy89 wrote: have i missed it in one of the threads, but is incontrol not going to DH? seems odd for machine and demuslim to get invites, and not incontrol
either way it looks awesome
he had to decline cause of his girlfriend
orly? does it clash with miss usa? anna always seemed like she supported geoff and just let him get on with it and do his shit
On June 09 2011 02:33 Zuor wrote: Good to see that Mana got an invite, I was kinda getting worried that he wouldn't get one at all based on some threads here in TL.
What do you mean he is one the best toss in europe...
On June 09 2011 02:33 Zuor wrote: Good to see that Mana got an invite, I was kinda getting worried that he wouldn't get one at all based on some threads here in TL.
What do you mean he is one the best toss in europe...
better than nani? :D dont think so
he said one of the best. Hes not better then whitera either (the real best europe toss) and id possibly even put socke ahead of mana too, still a great player though
On June 09 2011 04:39 ThatGuy89 wrote: have i missed it in one of the threads, but is incontrol not going to DH? seems odd for machine and demuslim to get invites, and not incontrol
either way it looks awesome
he had to decline cause of his girlfriend
orly? does it clash with miss usa? anna always seemed like she supported geoff and just let him get on with it and do his shit
Isnt Moons total winnings/money earned the top in ESPORTS ever? I mean his latest contract was 250,000USD a year I think.
While he might not be in top form compared to some Koreans, people seem to forget how hard it is to stay in Code A/S depending on your draw, just look at who else has fallen down / out.
Also its a marketing strategy, if one of the most popular ESPORTS figures ever has solid lan/tourney results will have no other commitments, and has probably the most experience in travailing lan events so will not do something silly on the way(looking at you bomber) why WOULDN'T you invite him.
Its the same thing with Grubby(except that he has been playing much worse then moon), and while I feel moon will never quite live down those early failed baneling mines(at least he tried before it was so common) the game at MLG makes up for it!
On June 09 2011 04:19 Blasphemi wrote: Kind of disappointing Korean invites at the moment. Wouldn't be surprised to see a foreigner actually win this.
If MC, Nada, Inca, Fruitdealer, Marineking, Anypro and Moon doesn't make you happy I don't know what will...
Only two of those are top level players. Would have prefered a lot of players to guys like FruitDealer and Inca.
Even though there were less of them the MLG Koreans were much better.
What the hell are you talking about? Who out of MC, Nada and Marineking are not top players? Inca, fruitdealer and Anypro are certainly no scrubs and Moon is the exact same player as in MLG you know. How you come to the conclusion that MLG Koreans were much better is beyond me and I think you'd be hard pressed to convince anyone that there is a significant difference.
On June 09 2011 05:01 iNcontroL wrote: miss usa is the exact same weekend as DH.
There will be other DH's.. there is only one Miss USA that anyone can reasonably hope to attend to support their gf.
Sucks that the stars aligned this way but there is no way I'd miss seeing anna compete in this.
I hope to make the next DH! For this one I will have to live vicariously through our strong EG representation... Demu/IdrA/Machine holding it down!
wow, I hope your joking
why would he be joking?
thats very good of you geoff, is it the absolute final that week? or is there different rounds? i understand you wanting to be there, just thought u'd not wanna miss DH. But it makes sense if its her final will be sad not seeing you there :/ hope the rest of EG do you proud
On June 09 2011 02:36 Termit wrote: Imo these invites was really really poor against the other players that are attending.
Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
I would agree with most of those, but moon placed really high at MLG last weekend (he even took out julyzerg) and he also got second at IEM a few months back, he still does really well at foreigner events regardless of his results in korea.
amazed how people complain about the korean invites when we have a 2 time gsl champion, MC a 1 time gsl champion, Fruitdealer a 3 time gsl finalist, MKP a gsl finalist, InCa a golden mouse winner in BW, NaDa a wc3 legend, Moon anypro was in the semi's of gsl aswell.
feels like people just want to hate on everything that is good.
On June 09 2011 05:01 iNcontroL wrote: miss usa is the exact same weekend as DH.
There will be other DH's.. there is only one Miss USA that anyone can reasonably hope to attend to support their gf.
Sucks that the stars aligned this way but there is no way I'd miss seeing anna compete in this.
I hope to make the next DH! For this one I will have to live vicariously through our strong EG representation... Demu/IdrA/Machine holding it down!
Maybe you should introduce the ladies at the beauty competition to starcraft. Obviously they're competetive! Bring a laptop, and they'll line and pile to get to play!
nice maps! better then the shitty ladder ones should see some nice macro games. Im backing idra this tournament - lets hope for a rematch with him and mc
On June 09 2011 04:19 Blasphemi wrote: Kind of disappointing Korean invites at the moment. Wouldn't be surprised to see a foreigner actually win this.
If MC, Nada, Inca, Fruitdealer, Marineking, Anypro and Moon doesn't make you happy I don't know what will...
Only two of those are top level players. Would have prefered a lot of players to guys like FruitDealer and Inca.
Even though there were less of them the MLG Koreans were much better.
I assume you mean only mc and mkp are "top level". Inca was in the final of last gsl. Yeah he was thrashed, but he was there. NaDa was in the semis not to mention he's one of the most consistently performing players. ro8s, ro4s. #11 on tlpd elo etc etc.... Just doesn't seem fair to say only two are top level.
On June 09 2011 03:22 human_ko wrote: I guess they dont invite top koreans because they can 10-0 everyone in europe.. but would be nice to see good koreans unlike medium foxmoon
Korea oGs MC – Protoss Korea oGs NaDa – Terran Korea oGs InCa – Protoss Korea TSL FruitDealer – Zerg Korea Prime MarineKing – Terran Korea Prime Anypro – Protoss Korea WeMade Fox Moon – Zerg
MC is two times GSL champion, Fruitdealer also a GSL champion, MKP is triple (afaik) almost GSL champion. NaDa is a Bonjwa. Moon is pretty decend good (look @MLG), InCa is on the same level like MMA or MKP...
I see MOSTLY top koreans here. Don't really know what's your problem...
Inca is most certainly not on the same level as MMA or MKP :O.
Much closer to mma i guess but definitely not MKP, go to the gsl records page even, and aside from PVP look at inca's record, or just look at his overall record its pretty terrible, then go look at MKP's record =/
On June 09 2011 03:22 human_ko wrote: I guess they dont invite top koreans because they can 10-0 everyone in europe.. but would be nice to see good koreans unlike medium foxmoon
Korea oGs MC – Protoss Korea oGs NaDa – Terran Korea oGs InCa – Protoss Korea TSL FruitDealer – Zerg Korea Prime MarineKing – Terran Korea Prime Anypro – Protoss Korea WeMade Fox Moon – Zerg
MC is two times GSL champion, Fruitdealer also a GSL champion, MKP is triple (afaik) almost GSL champion. NaDa is a Bonjwa. Moon is pretty decend good (look @MLG), InCa is on the same level like MMA or MKP...
I see MOSTLY top koreans here. Don't really know what's your problem...
Inca is most certainly not on the same level as MMA or MKP :O.
Much closer to mma i guess but definitely not MKP, go to the gsl records page even, and aside from PVP look at inca's record, or just look at his overall record its pretty terrible, then go look at MKP's record =/
Well, if last gsl taught us anything it's that inca's pvz is not very good, BUT, he did take out nada, and his pvp is quite godly
Oh god, 5 streams? T____T. MLG was hard enough with two monitors both fullscreened and listening to one stream while watching the other. 5 is going to be impossible -____-'
damn, didnt think it's just 2 weeks left untill this. Still a bit hungover from the awesomeness that was MLG Columbus. Anyways this is shaping up to be real sweet and I'm really looking forward to it.
people are going on about 5 streams. i bet you £100 that there will NEVER be a point when they're all on. Im sure dreamhack never had that many games playing at once so showing 5 games at once would get the tournament over in about 3 hours
On June 09 2011 06:07 ThatGuy89 wrote: people are going on about 5 streams. i bet you £100 that there will NEVER be a point when they're all on. Im sure dreamhack never had that many games playing at once so showing 5 games at once would get the tournament over in about 3 hours
will be interesting to see who covers what
as you see some cover the byoc for example and surely during group play there will be several other running at the same time. The point of having many streams is that people can choose to watch what they want. Also to make sure that there will always be something up even if say day9 and apollo takes a break or so. MLG barely utilized 2 streams having different games, but when it was needed they always had the capability to do so.
Well. I prefer quality over big numbers. I really like TotalBiscuit casting, but I think he needs someone with a lot of game knowledge on his side so he can do all those crazy commentaries. anyway, apollo and day9 are amazing, and I guess the other 3 are OK. good job with the invites, btw. It will be a sick tournament.
bloody hell people they cant invite EVERYONE... How do u know a number of the first choices eithier couldnt make it or just flat out refused. They may of invited Nestea etc and IM mayb couldnt afford to send them, you really dont know. Surely players already out of GSL Super tournament are going to be picked first.
On June 09 2011 02:36 Termit wrote: Imo these invites was really really poor against the other players that are attending.
Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
Tyler did reasonably well at dream hack and at Assembly, but i would agree that in general these invites are marginally weaker.. But i wouldn't say they won't win a bo3 and the certainly are world class players so i am really excited as always.
On June 09 2011 07:38 Kznn wrote: Well. I prefer quality over big numbers. I really like TotalBiscuit casting, but I think he needs someone with a lot of game knowledge on his side so he can do all those crazy commentaries. anyway, apollo and day9 are amazing, and I guess the other 3 are OK. good job with the invites, btw. It will be a sick tournament.
Will TB be there at Dreamhack? If yes, I hope he'll get some progamers as co-casters (like Khaldor at Copenhagen Games).
On June 09 2011 04:08 The_Piper42 wrote: Why does Moon always get invited over much better Korean players...?
Because when you invite Moon, you know he will show up. He won't pull a Bomber and get owned by Visas and stuff. He has traveled so much he has no problem with international tournaments. Also, WC3 was big enough in Europe that I'm sure he probably has a decent number of fans there.
On June 09 2011 07:38 Kznn wrote: Well. I prefer quality over big numbers. I really like TotalBiscuit casting, but I think he needs someone with a lot of game knowledge on his side so he can do all those crazy commentaries. anyway, apollo and day9 are amazing, and I guess the other 3 are OK. good job with the invites, btw. It will be a sick tournament.
Will TB be there at Dreamhack? If yes, I hope he'll get some progamers as co-casters (like Khaldor at Copenhagen Games).
I am on-site yes and I will be inviting pro-gamers to come co-commentate when they're available to do so. Really depends on how things are setup.
Wow, this is like first nearly complete foreign tournament, if everyone attends it will be first time all foreign top top players will meet. From Europe I am missing only NightEnd, Darkforce, Goody, Mondragon, Haypro, Cloud, Nerchio. From Americas Sheth, Slush, Fenix, Major, Kiwikaki, Select. Plus Sen is missing
On June 09 2011 08:57 Full.tilt wrote: surely no one can whine about casters now
Hahahaha. Oh they'll find a way.
Saddest thing is that this is a 100% true. I promise there will still be caster bashing even though there are 5 freaking streams. haha. I can not wait and am super stoked to watch this thing. The players are just top notch, and everything just seems so sweet. Hype baby.
On June 09 2011 09:34 mcc wrote: Wow, this is like first nearly complete foreign tournament, if everyone attends it will be first time all foreign top top players will meet. From Europe I am missing only NightEnd, Darkforce, Goody, Mondragon, Haypro, Cloud, Nerchio. From Americas Sheth, Slush, Fenix, Major, Kiwikaki, Select. Plus Sen is missing
On June 09 2011 09:40 rift wrote: is it really that hard to get Mvp and Nestea? Or are second tier Koreans and Europeans preferable?
Second tiers Europeans ? What top Europeans are you missing ? Also doesn't DH kind of conflict with SuperTournament, so it might actually be hard to get MvP and Nestea.
I really hope Tyler will practice his ass off for this and at least take a top 8 finnish. I would love to see Nony perform again! And plz change nick to Nony again
On June 09 2011 10:53 Iron.Fist wrote: HYPE!!!!! Don't care if the invites were bad. Grubby vs Moon PLZ!!!! Rematch for this wc3 classic would be just awesome!
On June 09 2011 09:40 rift wrote: is it really that hard to get Mvp and Nestea? Or are second tier Koreans and Europeans preferable?
I actually do think so. Look at the number of foreign events any IM clan member has attended. I figure they just couldn't get the funding to go, since the only event they've attended overseas was IMLosirA at MLG, and I think that was paid for by MLG or GSL.
But since they have their new fancy yellow shirts, they just might get more funding. They didn't have those new sponsors when Dreamhack was accepting applications though.
On June 09 2011 10:57 BertiliO wrote: I really hope Tyler will practice his ass off for this and at least take a top 8 finnish. I would love to see Nony perform again! And plz change nick to Nony again
To be honest, as much as a like Tyler's personality, I hope it's his last chance to do well before he stops being a shoe-in for invites. It's not right to invite someone based on popularity when he doesn't put that much effort into the game.
to bad i only like the main stream and iccuptv ^^ totalbiscuit is not my favorit but for all who love him jaeh nice to have so much streams ^^
On June 09 2011 02:36 Termit wrote: Imo these invites was really really poor against the other players that are attending.
Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
plz stop posting such comments !!!!!!
Moon 2nd place on IEM i think and best wc3 player of all time super entertaining game will beat nearly all nonkoreans expect naniwa and thorzain TT1 former MLG Runner Up and Beat Nada and others on World Cup in Korea ... played unbelievable strong for foreigns on that tournament Machine have his own style but yes he is i think one of the not so good players BUT the us hold big on him so perhaps he will show us the truth about his skill and sushi is a sponsor player ^^ nothing to say there
On June 09 2011 09:40 rift wrote: is it really that hard to get Mvp and Nestea? Or are second tier Koreans and Europeans preferable?
Hard for me not to flame on such comments. Marineking, Nada and MC are second tier ? You are mention MC as second tier ? ... no words
I live like 40 min drive from DH but I cant decide to go there or not. Its a tug of war between the atmosphere and the better view of things as Im pretty sure I'll see better at my monitor then in a big crowd.
/sigh TotalBiscut, why does event hire him? He brings nothing good to the whole atmosphere, lacking knowledge, his voice is irritating etc. It seems like just because you are attention whore:ing in the community, your good to have. NO!
the only problem about moon is that he will have to start showing that he is able to win something he lives from his 2nd place at iem and his wc3 fame but i really hope he start winning something in sc2 or they will stop to invite him any day
On June 09 2011 16:07 CoR wrote: the only problem about moon is that he will have to start showing that he is able to win something he lives from his 2nd place at iem and his wc3 fame but i really hope he start winning something in sc2 or they will stop to invite him any day
On June 09 2011 02:36 Termit wrote: Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
I think some, if not, all of them, will surprise you.
Its so awesome that they will have five streams with different casters. Totalbiscuit will be awesome for the more casual starcraft2 fans, he will bring in even more people to the starcraft2 scen after this dreamhack im sure. I know many of my friends that are into FPS/MMORPG games only watch TB's commentary.
moon is still so underrated...but he is actually really good. Maybe not korean top tier but i think he will give any foreigner a run for his money. SaSe and Morrow are really good, too. But i dont see the rest of the invites winning many games. Im really depressed that this is mostly an invite tournament, This is not a real competition.
On June 09 2011 16:07 CoR wrote: the only problem about moon is that he will have to start showing that he is able to win something he lives from his 2nd place at iem and his wc3 fame but i really hope he start winning something in sc2 or they will stop to invite him any day
He finished Top 8 in MLG Columbus and direct qualified for Offline Finals for NASL... he's no Nestea but he has some very good results lately.
It's quite funny the amount of bias there are against Moon. If he wasn't a Korean people would have no problem with him getting invited, but just because Koreans in general are extreemly good he is judged much more harshly. You can't blame Moon for the lack of other top level Koreans. Do people honestly think that the reason we haven't seen MVP, Nestea and the likes because no one have invited to tournaments like this? Also to repeat it once again for the people that seem to think otherwise, players had to send an application to be allegable for an invite.
On June 09 2011 02:31 namedplayer wrote: funny how Moon is always invited.
I was thinking the same thing. Would love to see marine king prime in some foreign events or nestea, Weird that they never get invited.
But lol dreamhack, out macros mlg, 5 streams to 2. :D. how many players totally in the tourney? Hopefully thorzain will be there.
I think it probably has something to do with teams as well. Maybe IM and Prime don't have money to send them around the world? Maybe they declined to practice/play somewhere else? While I agree it's a bit strange to see Moon everywhere, he obviously also makes himself very available and is a fan favourite.
Benelux partners, so it was going to be a Dutch, Belgian or Luxemburg player. Seeing as I know of absolutely nobody from Belgium or Luxemburg, and Ret and Grubby are already in, it was going to be some unknown player for sure.
DH summer will be a sick sick sick event! I like how the production team really do consider the different audiences that are out there, to give the casual shoutcraft followers some stuff to watch aswell. I'm quite positive casters like TotalBiscuit will fade out over time unless he gets better at understanding the game, but at this point it's smart to leave doors open when you're a doing a event like this, and it will probably also increase the number of viewers the others casters get from the casual people introducing "better" casting.
Anyway, *thumbs up* can't wait! I hope I can make it down there and say Hi to people.
On June 09 2011 19:34 Maliris wrote: I wish tournaments would invite MVP or NesTea :/ they are better than marineking and MC anyway
Once again, do you seriously believe no tournaments have tried to invite MVP and Nestea? I'm 99% sure that if MVP or Nestea were interested/able to go to dreamhack/mlg/whatever they would be.
On June 09 2011 02:36 Termit wrote: Imo these invites was really really poor against the other players that are attending.
Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
What are you talking about? Moon went like 4-2 and beat July at MLG, TT1 is really good and Machine isn't that bad. No idea but who Sushi is but I based on the rest of your post I'll just assume he is pretty good.
Anyway IEM had like 5 streams with 3 sc2 streams last year so MLG going up to 2 was just them getting less behind. I wonder if Dreamhack Summer will have the same production value as Dreamhack invitational because then we are about to see them make MLG col look average.
On June 09 2011 05:09 Nonvidius wrote: Isnt Moons total winnings/money earned the top in ESPORTS ever? I mean his latest contract was 250,000USD a year I think.
While he might not be in top form compared to some Koreans, people seem to forget how hard it is to stay in Code A/S depending on your draw, just look at who else has fallen down / out.
Also its a marketing strategy, if one of the most popular ESPORTS figures ever has solid lan/tourney results will have no other commitments, and has probably the most experience in travailing lan events so will not do something silly on the way(looking at you bomber) why WOULDN'T you invite him.
Its the same thing with Grubby(except that he has been playing much worse then moon), and while I feel moon will never quite live down those early failed baneling mines(at least he tried before it was so common) the game at MLG makes up for it!
On June 09 2011 08:57 Full.tilt wrote: surely no one can whine about casters now
Hahahaha. Oh they'll find a way.
Yea, I feel like this guy hasn't been on teamliquid very long
It's pretty awesome and adorable really, I wish I was that naive and innocent anymore.
That said, I'll take TL the last few months over SCreddit any day, strict moderation and quality control has taken it's toll on the trolls.
I'm glad I'm not as cynical and pessimistic.
Welcome to the internet. Sooner or later you'll end up just like that, after seeing all the shit that's actually around here.
Nothing wrong with trying to be positive and optimistic why let yourself be dragged down by shit posts. Kind of surprised trying to be positive gets the piss taken out of it by TB.
Gratz to Tyler, I REALLY want him to crack down and make a good showing. We know he is capable, he just hasn't been committed in a way that I think is producing results atm. I expect this event to be on par with the size and excitement of MLG but maybe even better production qualities considering how AMAZING Dreamhack winter was!
So friggin excited at the player list and hosts, not to mention SWEDEN and Thorzain! Woot.
On June 09 2011 06:07 ThatGuy89 wrote: people are going on about 5 streams. i bet you £100 that there will NEVER be a point when they're all on. Im sure dreamhack never had that many games playing at once so showing 5 games at once would get the tournament over in about 3 hours
On June 09 2011 06:07 ThatGuy89 wrote: people are going on about 5 streams. i bet you £100 that there will NEVER be a point when they're all on. Im sure dreamhack never had that many games playing at once so showing 5 games at once would get the tournament over in about 3 hours
will be interesting to see who covers what
I will take that bet
I wouldn't since GLHF is only covering the BYOC tourny....
On June 09 2011 06:07 ThatGuy89 wrote: people are going on about 5 streams. i bet you £100 that there will NEVER be a point when they're all on. Im sure dreamhack never had that many games playing at once so showing 5 games at once would get the tournament over in about 3 hours
will be interesting to see who covers what
I will take that bet
I wouldn't since GLHF is only covering the BYOC tourny....
If you bothered checking carefully who you were replying to then you would have seen "Community/Coverage/Streaming-Admin of Dreamhack Starcraft 2 - Editor of Rakaka.se". I would bet my life on the fact that he knows more about the Dreamhack tournament than you do :p
On June 09 2011 06:07 ThatGuy89 wrote: people are going on about 5 streams. i bet you £100 that there will NEVER be a point when they're all on. Im sure dreamhack never had that many games playing at once so showing 5 games at once would get the tournament over in about 3 hours
will be interesting to see who covers what
I will take that bet
I wouldn't since GLHF is only covering the BYOC tourny....
glhf.tv - Covering BYOC
People need to read...
If you bothered checking carefully who you were replying to then you would have seen "Community/Coverage/Streaming-Admin of Dreamhack Starcraft 2 - Editor of Rakaka.se". I would bet my life on the fact that he knows more about the Dreamhack tournament than you do :p
Your point? I would rather trust the official announcement of their website than the Community/Coverage/Streaming-Admin. Life teaches you to trust the word of the company over the word of an employee (unless you like being unemployed and shit).
Unless I'm mistaken and they mean that all 5 are running the main tourny, but only glhf will be streaming the BYOC tourny.
On June 09 2011 06:07 ThatGuy89 wrote: people are going on about 5 streams. i bet you £100 that there will NEVER be a point when they're all on. Im sure dreamhack never had that many games playing at once so showing 5 games at once would get the tournament over in about 3 hours
will be interesting to see who covers what
I will take that bet
I wouldn't since GLHF is only covering the BYOC tourny....
glhf.tv - Covering BYOC
People need to read...
If you bothered checking carefully who you were replying to then you would have seen "Community/Coverage/Streaming-Admin of Dreamhack Starcraft 2 - Editor of Rakaka.se". I would bet my life on the fact that he knows more about the Dreamhack tournament than you do :p
Your point? I would rather trust the official announcement of their website than the Community/Coverage/Streaming-Admin. Life teaches you to trust the word of the company over the word of an employee (unless you like being unemployed and shit).
Unless I'm mistaken and they mean that all 5 are running the main tourny, but only glhf will be streaming the BYOC tourny.
You are arguing that you wouldn´t take Thatguy89's bet about all 5 streams running simultaneously even after a dreamhack admin said he would take the bet, who cares if GLHF is streaming BYOC it can still run at the same time. There's nothing in the OP indicating that the 5 streams wouldn´t run at the same time.
My point is that you should learn to read yourself before telling others to read
On June 09 2011 06:07 ThatGuy89 wrote: people are going on about 5 streams. i bet you £100 that there will NEVER be a point when they're all on. Im sure dreamhack never had that many games playing at once so showing 5 games at once would get the tournament over in about 3 hours
will be interesting to see who covers what
I will take that bet
I wouldn't since GLHF is only covering the BYOC tourny....
glhf.tv - Covering BYOC
People need to read...
If you bothered checking carefully who you were replying to then you would have seen "Community/Coverage/Streaming-Admin of Dreamhack Starcraft 2 - Editor of Rakaka.se". I would bet my life on the fact that he knows more about the Dreamhack tournament than you do :p
Your point? I would rather trust the official announcement of their website than the Community/Coverage/Streaming-Admin. Life teaches you to trust the word of the company over the word of an employee (unless you like being unemployed and shit).
Unless I'm mistaken and they mean that all 5 are running the main tourny, but only glhf will be streaming the BYOC tourny.
You are arguing that you wouldn´t take Thatguy89's bet about all 5 streams running simultaneously even after a dreamhack admin said he would take the bet, who cares if GLHF is streaming BYOC it can still run at the same time. There's nothing in the OP indicating that the 5 streams wouldn´t run at the same time.
I'm a toolMy point is that you should learn to read yourself before telling others to read
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the BYOC qualifier for the main tourney occuring before the main tourney? In which case, if glhf is only streaming the qualifier, that leaves 4 streams for the main tourney.
On June 09 2011 06:07 ThatGuy89 wrote: people are going on about 5 streams. i bet you £100 that there will NEVER be a point when they're all on. Im sure dreamhack never had that many games playing at once so showing 5 games at once would get the tournament over in about 3 hours
will be interesting to see who covers what
I will take that bet
I wouldn't since GLHF is only covering the BYOC tourny....
glhf.tv - Covering BYOC
People need to read...
If you bothered checking carefully who you were replying to then you would have seen "Community/Coverage/Streaming-Admin of Dreamhack Starcraft 2 - Editor of Rakaka.se". I would bet my life on the fact that he knows more about the Dreamhack tournament than you do :p
Your point? I would rather trust the official announcement of their website than the Community/Coverage/Streaming-Admin. Life teaches you to trust the word of the company over the word of an employee (unless you like being unemployed and shit).
Unless I'm mistaken and they mean that all 5 are running the main tourny, but only glhf will be streaming the BYOC tourny.
You are arguing that you wouldn´t take Thatguy89's bet about all 5 streams running simultaneously even after a dreamhack admin said he would take the bet, who cares if GLHF is streaming BYOC it can still run at the same time. There's nothing in the OP indicating that the 5 streams wouldn´t run at the same time.
I'm a toolMy point is that you should learn to read yourself before telling others to read
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the BYOC qualifier for the main tourney occuring before the main tourney? In which case, if glhf is only streaming the qualifier, that leaves 4 streams for the main tourney.
Corrected because you are wrong, there will be several BYOC tournaments running throughout the Dreamhack event. Very mature to quote me writing things I didn´t by the way. It´s always fun to teach people how to read their native language
Nice to see you stick with the Day9/Apollo combo. I really really enjoyed all of their commentaries at the first IEM and Dreamhack. Also super nice to see the EG.Machine invite. Machine fighting!!!
So is 2GD not going to be there? That's a shame, he made the down time between games a huge amount more entertaining. Hopefully he's hosting or casting Quake or something.
Other than that looking forward to another great tournament.
On June 09 2011 02:36 Termit wrote: Imo these invites was really really poor against the other players that are attending.
Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
So what you're saying is that if Moon and Machine were to bo3 it, it would come up as a tie?
Yepp, 400 Square meters of ourdoor SC2 Casting. should be quite awsome if thsi wether keeps up
its probably going to break down at the first day, I mean 400 square meters is not nearly enough to fit the interest of people coming. good initiative doh.
How can you always find a way to whine and complain about the greatest community news? Everything we've heard about this tourney is great! If you are sad that your favorite is not in it, then say that, but dont fucking complain or insult other players, same with casters! I get so mad fromseeing this. A great OP, mostly fine replies but then a lot, too many, idiots, spewing out hate and misinformation and just generally complaining for no reason!! What the hellis wrong with you? I'm on my phone and can't quote you but holy shit! How any caster can be such a bad thing is beyond me, and you retard who but in your own text saying " I'm a tool" inside a quote of someone takes the prize. You were wrong even! Holy crap! I'm so upset :p
My point is tho that this dreamhack only is good news! As I said I'm glad Tyler is in, I've got an irrational fanboyistic love for that man, may he win xD
So many players too, this will be like a MLG deluxe :p hope it can match Columbus top games too. I'm ready for some fantastic games come late June :D
On June 09 2011 02:34 TheResidentEvil wrote: something up with the dreamhack.tv website? i get some red web site in another language. i did not watch the previous dreamhack just the invitational but i look forward to it this time.
It's offline at the moment. The website on there now it's just the hosting company informing that somebody own the site. I guess they have a new site under construction.
On June 10 2011 18:37 vijeze wrote: I hereby claim, stream 1= tons of viewers stream 2-5= very little viewers.
Well yes, that's quite obvious. The total viewer count is what will really matter. Having 5 streams won't affect that negativily in any case even if a few of the streams have lower viewer counts. Also I'm pretty sure not all of the streams will show games 100 % of the time. People will switch back and forth.
On June 10 2011 18:37 vijeze wrote: I hereby claim, stream 1= tons of viewers stream 2-5= very little viewers.
Well yes, that's quite obvious. The total viewer count is what will really matter. Having 5 streams won't affect that negativily in any case even if a few of the streams have lower viewer counts. Also I'm pretty sure not all of the streams will show games 100 % of the time. People will switch back and forth.
And, assuming different games are shown, most people will have more than one stream open -> higher overall viewer count
the great return of actionjesus maybe? xD anyways, im super pumped for this tournament. gonna have a friend get me your autograph TB. if you get kidneygrabbed by a event worker that's him
For those wondering about the different casters, here's the leagues they'd be in for casting: Masters : Stream Channel 1 - Day[9] and Apollo Diamond : Stream Channel 2 - TotalBiscuit Gold : Stream Channel 5 - glhf.tv - Covering BYOC Silver : Stream Channel 4 - Ragequit.tv Bronze : Stream Channel 3 - iCCupTV
On June 09 2011 02:36 Termit wrote: Imo these invites was really really poor against the other players that are attending.
Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
On June 10 2011 20:35 nihlon wrote: I hereby claim, stream 1= tons of viewers stream 2-5= very little viewers.
I'd question this, based on the numbers last year at DH Winter. I was pulling about 10k and Day9/Apollo were pulling about 20k. There is a very wide audience for SC2 and plenty to go around.
On June 10 2011 20:35 nihlon wrote: I hereby claim, stream 1= tons of viewers stream 2-5= very little viewers.
I'd question this, based on the numbers last year at DH Winter. I was pulling about 10k and Day9/Apollo were pulling about 20k. There is a very wide audience for SC2 and plenty to go around.
People can also watch multiple streams. Keep it up TB.
On June 09 2011 02:36 Termit wrote: Imo these invites was really really poor against the other players that are attending.
Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
gtfo troll.
Yeah, you must be a troll when you're putting your opinion out on a forum... lol.
Do we have any known players in the community who are attending the BYOC?
On June 09 2011 02:36 Termit wrote: Imo these invites was really really poor against the other players that are attending.
Moon, Machine, TT1 and Sushi are just waste of invites and they won't win a single bo3. I haven't seen much of MaNa since last DH so I don't know if he could take games of the earlier invites.
gtfo troll.
Yeah, you must be a troll when you're putting your opinion out on a forum... lol.
Do we have any known players in the community who are attending the BYOC?
To be fair despite the fact that Moon is dismissed each time, he has always performed better than my expectation, 2nd in IEM and 8th in MLG is not bad. Machine will struggle, have not seen much of TT1, though their NASL performance do not fill me with confidence.
MLG being ridiculously awesome and fresh off everybody's minds, PLUS the history and prestige of Dreamhack... obviously people are going to be excited and passionate. Of course there will be bitching, because everyone simply wants the 'perfect tournament' in their eyes. It's natural. Stop acting like (for the lack of better words) moralfags. I'd be more surprised if there WASN'T any bitching, that'll just mean no one gives a shit.
How can you say Moon won't win a BO3 when he's beaten the following players in Bo3's already: SjoW (twice), JulyZerg, Socke, TLO, Fenix, Grubby and KiwiKaki.
Moon is the heavy favorite against any Terran player in DH except MKP and Nada.
One thing I think we're missing is FPcams for the in-game commentaries. In BW, I remember the commentators occasionally switching to the First Person Cam of like Flash or something for 15 seconds to show what he was doing. I think that would be pretty cool to do, if it didn't affect player ping too much.
On June 11 2011 23:40 MayorITC wrote: How can you say Moon won't win a BO3 when he's beaten the following players in Bo3's already: SjoW (twice), JulyZerg, Socke, TLO, Fenix, Grubby and KiwiKaki.
Moon is the heavy favorite against any Terran player in DH except MKP and Nada.
agreed.. but imo i think Moon has a chance against Nada.. but not MKP
Not sure how anyone can listen to the casts of TotalBiscuit or want him for a serious major event. Too little knowledge of the game, no enthusiasm and crappy jokes.
If you want silly jokes you'd watch Saturday night live or Monty Python, as they do it a hundred times better.
On June 13 2011 03:08 Paladia wrote: Not sure how anyone can listen to the casts of TotalBiscuit or want him for a serious major event. Too little knowledge of the game, no enthusiasm and crappy jokes.
If you want silly jokes you'd watch Saturday night live or Monty Python, as they do it a hundred times better.
His knowledge has improved somewhat recently to be fair. But yeah he's not necessarily everyone's cup of tea.
On June 13 2011 03:08 Paladia wrote: Not sure how anyone can listen to the casts of TotalBiscuit or want him for a serious major event. Too little knowledge of the game, no enthusiasm and crappy jokes.
If you want silly jokes you'd watch Saturday night live or Monty Python, as they do it a hundred times better.
His knowledge has improved somewhat recently to be fair. But yeah he's not necessarily everyone's cup of tea.
There is five streams, so fortunately he doesn't need to be. I'll be following the best matches, no matter who is commentating them.
On June 13 2011 03:08 Paladia wrote: Not sure how anyone can listen to the casts of TotalBiscuit or want him for a serious major event. Too little knowledge of the game, no enthusiasm and crappy jokes.
If you want silly jokes you'd watch Saturday night live or Monty Python, as they do it a hundred times better.
I believe if you would check out TotalBiscuit's job for WellPlayedOrg's youtube channel, you suddenly know you are wrong. TB has done the first 3 top 10, then Day[9] did #4, and I would say TB actually does a great job as a caster. http://www.youtube.com/user/WellPlayedOrg#p/u/20/DabwEqsWWiA
On June 13 2011 03:08 Paladia wrote: Not sure how anyone can listen to the casts of TotalBiscuit or want him for a serious major event. Too little knowledge of the game, no enthusiasm and crappy jokes.
If you want silly jokes you'd watch Saturday night live or Monty Python, as they do it a hundred times better.
little knowledge of the game: yeah but its getting better crappy jokes: sometimes no enthusiasm: WTF!?!?!?!?!
Can't wait for this weekend! So many streams. Day[9] + Apollo Are going to be great. Totalbiscuit going to be casting alone? Idk, why anybody is giving him crap. He does a good job at entertaining which is what we all watch esports for. Be may not be as knowledgable as others but he does a much better job that say Moletrap who ruined Code A and now NASL.
On June 16 2011 22:53 Andrizzleton wrote: Can't wait for this weekend! So many streams. Day[9] + Apollo Are going to be great. Totalbiscuit going to be casting alone? Idk, why anybody is giving him crap. He does a good job at entertaining which is what we all watch esports for. Be may not be as knowledgable as others but he does a much better job that say Moletrap who ruined Code A and now NASL.
ellirc, don't ask him to elaborate.. their artificial hate for TB is mainly a proof of their weakness I would like to see someone ,once in their fu***ng life time go to TB's face and say how hes the most horrible, uncolored, with square cast bla bla
EPT
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MYM SaSe – Protoss![[image loading]](http://www.dreamhack.se/dhw10/files/2010/10/polen.gif)
Mouz MaNa - Protoss![[image loading]](http://www.dreamhack.se/dhw10/files/2010/10/usa.gif)
Liquid Tyler - Protoss![[image loading]](http://www.dreamhack.se/dhw10/files/2010/11/storbritannien.gif)
EG DeMusliM - Terran![[image loading]](http://master.dreamhack.se/DHS11/files/2011/05/Canada.gif)
Fnatic TT1 - Protoss![[image loading]](http://www.dreamhack.se/uploads/2010/11/korea.gif)
WeMade Fox Moon - Zerg![[image loading]](http://www.dreamhack.se/dhw10/files/2010/11/nederlanderna.gif)
srs Sushi - Zerg (Selected by DH partner in Benelux.)
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